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Ltlabner
04-24-2008, 08:40 AM
Here are a number of quotes from BP's 2008 review of the Reds (the paper edition). I'm only grabbing snippets so I hope this falls under fair use. If not, please deleate the thread as I don't want to get RZ in trouble.

But with regards to the sacking of WayneK yesterday, I thought these comments took on a whole new texture.


A team such as the Reds, with more hope than none, but less hope than most, is constantly faced with the desperate decision of whether to play for big stakes by risking all of its resources on one throw of the dice, or to embark on a rebuilding programe that may never end. Complicating this decision is a lack of job security for the man charged with making it. Few general managers can wait out that long night of 90-loss seasons without ownerships"s uncritical buy-in, even if rebuilding really is the right choice to make.

Or the owner is impatient.


A stable and effective pen acquired on the cheap is usually a testament to good scouting, managerial acumen and front office judgement...but the teams despertate lurching from one bad idea to the next speaks for itself.

Unfortunatley in 2007 the Reds fired their most tallented scouts, had Jerry Narron at the helm and then you had the front office...


Baker is one of the few managers in the game who comes to a new job expecting to get his way and personnel decisions...

To me this is the most interesting of the quotes. Assuming for a second this is true, and in light of Bakers comments regarding being in the dark about Fogg, I wonder if Baker had friction working with Wayne. If WayneO was as territorial and secretive as we are being led to believe by a spate of reports, that had to drive Baker nuts. BCast obviously had man-love for Baker so if Dusty said "in Wayne I don't Trusty" that's not going to play out well for Wayne. Especially if he was already on the bubble.


Baker nevertheless commands some sort of respect within the game, and bringing him in before the wooing of free agents and season ticket holders began had the potential to reap benefits in a way few managerial alternatives could. Making a good impression on ticket holders is especially important to the Reds, who never recieved an appreciable "new stadium" boost from the GABP.

..it's always about the dollars and cents - Joe Pecci "Casino"


If there's a danger, it's that the Reds may not recognize how much room for improvement they have yet to make on offense.

Opps. Well, I can say that I poo-pooed several of the RZ posters saying we've gutted the offense too far. SteelSD comes most prominatley to mind. While it doesn't help that Dunn and BPhil are ice cold and trying to be Mr. Slugger, it would appear that once again, I was wrong in my assesment.

Sea Ray
04-24-2008, 05:30 PM
Opps. Well, I can say that I poo-pooed several of the RZ posters saying we've gutted the offense too far. SteelSD comes most prominatley to mind. While it doesn't help that Dunn and BPhil are ice cold and trying to be Mr. Slugger, it would appear that once again, I was wrong in my assesment.

Where was the offense gutted other than Hamilton?