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WVRed
04-26-2008, 01:07 PM
How I want the Bengals draft to shape out:

1.Sedrick Ellis(DT-USC)
2.Dan Connor(LB-PSU)
3a.Chris Johnson(RB-East Carolina)
3b.Keenan Burton(WR-Kentucky)
4.Wesley Woodyard(S-Kentucky)
5.Marcus Harrison(DT-Arkansas)
6a.Chase Ortiz(DE-TCU)
6b.Colt Brennan(QB-Hawaii)
7a.Mario Urrutia(WR-Louisville)
7b.Caleb Campbell(S-Army)

Degenerate39
04-26-2008, 01:09 PM
That would be a pretty good draft for the Bengals. They'll need a Wide Reciever in the 3rd round or so because right now it only looks like TJ is going to be playing.

CTA513
04-26-2008, 02:23 PM
I would be happy with these picks today:
1st: DT Sedrick Ellis
2nd: DT Trevor Laws

TeamSelig
04-26-2008, 03:01 PM
I think we end up with Keith Rivers and then a DT in the 2nd Round.

Highlifeman21
04-26-2008, 03:05 PM
Are we allowed to talk about the whole draft in this thread, or just the Bengals?

LoganBuck
04-26-2008, 03:09 PM
Are we allowed to talk about the whole draft in this thread, or just the Bengals?

There are other teams?

Highlifeman21
04-26-2008, 03:11 PM
There are other teams?

Certainly better teams than the Bengals out there....

I'm hoping today begins to change that, but I definitely won't hold my breath.

Highlifeman21
04-26-2008, 03:12 PM
Chris Long, good pick for the Rams.

Screwball
04-26-2008, 03:14 PM
Chris Long, good pick for the Rams.

Who would've ever guessed that? :cool:

Highlifeman21
04-26-2008, 03:17 PM
Who would've ever guessed that? :cool:

I don't think he was a lock to go to the Rams. Supposedly they were looking at Dorsey and someone else (I can't remember the name).

Highlifeman21
04-26-2008, 03:19 PM
Matt Ryan to the Falcons, interesting.

ThatPitchIsDunn
04-26-2008, 03:19 PM
Not sure if this will pan out for the Falcons, but I like the pick. You bring integrity back to your franchise and don't hear the footsteps of an ex-con Michael Vick in a year and a half.

Highlifeman21
04-26-2008, 03:21 PM
Not sure if this will pan out for the Falcons, but I like the pick. You bring integrity back to your franchise and don't hear the footsteps of an ex-con Michael Vick in a year and a half.

Who catches balls for Matt Ryan?

Michael Jenkins is the only WR I can think of off the top of my head...

ThatPitchIsDunn
04-26-2008, 03:21 PM
Yes! The most fun part of the draft! The Raiders could take ANYBODY.

ThatPitchIsDunn
04-26-2008, 03:22 PM
Who catches balls for Matt Ryan?

Michael Jenkins is the only WR I can think of off the top of my head...

Roddy White isn't an All-Pro, but he's a decent pass-catcher. Don't forget about Algernon at TE too.

Highlifeman21
04-26-2008, 03:23 PM
Yes! The most fun part of the draft! The Raiders could take ANYBODY.

My guess is McFadden.

But you're right, they could take ANYONE.

TeamSelig
04-26-2008, 03:23 PM
The farther Dorsey falls the better for the Bengals (to take Ellis), IMO.

ThatPitchIsDunn
04-26-2008, 03:26 PM
Actually I take that back. The Raiders are super-fun in terms of doing completely the opposite of what you think, but bitter Jets fans in the audience are even better.

I wanna see the Jets take somebody that makes no sense and see the anguish of Vito from Brooklyn.

Highlifeman21
04-26-2008, 03:27 PM
Roddy White isn't an All-Pro, but he's a decent pass-catcher. Don't forget about Algernon at TE too.

After looking it up, Crumpler is now a Titan.

Highlifeman21
04-26-2008, 03:28 PM
And Jets fans hopes are crushed.... McFadden is going to Oakland.

ThatPitchIsDunn
04-26-2008, 03:28 PM
4 for 4 in sensible picks so far. Who's the Teddy Ginn this year?

(I am the biggest Buckeye fan out there btw, but even I admit TG2 went waaayyy too high last year.)

TeamSelig
04-26-2008, 03:33 PM
Jeez whats with the huge amount of time between picks?

TeamSelig
04-26-2008, 03:34 PM
Looks like Dorsey is on the phone, probably picked next.

Highlifeman21
04-26-2008, 03:34 PM
What in the blue Hell is Glenn Dorsey wearing on his left wrist?

Lotta bling on that watch...

Highlifeman21
04-26-2008, 03:36 PM
Time for the Jets to surprise us, much like the Bengals will surprise us....

...... and not in a good way...

Highlifeman21
04-26-2008, 03:43 PM
Antwan Odom was a key addition for the Bengals?

We're gonna need more than him in 2008...

Yachtzee
04-26-2008, 03:43 PM
Time for the Jets to surprise us, much like the Bengals will surprise us....

...... and not in a good way...

For these two teams, the NFL draft is like Christmas with your extended family. The next pick could be some awesome present from your grandparents you were hoping for, or it could be that ugly sweater from your crazy spinster aunt. More often than not, it's the sweater.

Caveat Emperor
04-26-2008, 03:43 PM
The Jets are probably working the phones on this pick.

Highlifeman21
04-26-2008, 03:44 PM
Good pick by the Jets.

Of course their fans hate it.

Yachtzee
04-26-2008, 03:45 PM
Good pick by the Jets.

Of course their fans hate it.

Do they ever not boo their pick?

Highlifeman21
04-26-2008, 03:45 PM
Rivers to NE anyone?

Screwball
04-26-2008, 03:45 PM
I don't think he was a lock to go to the Rams. Supposedly they were looking at Dorsey and someone else (I can't remember the name).

I know, I was more referring to the RedsZone mock draft. Of course, it helps my best friend from college works for the Rams, and tipped me off.

Highlifeman21
04-26-2008, 03:46 PM
Do they ever not boo their pick?

Just remember, Jets stands for Just End The Season...

Yachtzee
04-26-2008, 03:47 PM
I just have this sick feeling in my gut that the Bengals will pick an RB or WR. I don't think I've heard of any RB or WR in this year's draft that would justify not going with D in the first round.

Caveat Emperor
04-26-2008, 03:50 PM
I just have this sick feeling in my gut that the Bengals will pick an RB or WR. I don't think I've heard of any RB or WR in this year's draft that would justify not going with D in the first round.

They need to move to this pick NE is on the clock for and take Ellis.

Highlifeman21
04-26-2008, 03:51 PM
They need to move to this pick NE is on the clock for and take Ellis.

The Bengals don't make smart draft day decisions.

Doing what you suggest would violate from their historical trends...

Screwball
04-26-2008, 03:51 PM
Saints traded up. They'll take Ellis.

Reds Fanatic
04-26-2008, 03:52 PM
Saints traded up. Looks like they will get Ellis. That is who I really wanted the Bengals to get.

Caveat Emperor
04-26-2008, 03:52 PM
Saints traded up. They'll take Ellis.

Yup.

Smart draft day move by NOLA. This is the player that Cincinnati desperately needs. There isn't another player in the draft that could make the kind of immediate impact on defense OR offense that Ellis could for the Bengals.

Yachtzee
04-26-2008, 03:53 PM
Yup.

Smart draft day move by NOLA. This is the player that Cincinnati desperately needs. There isn't another player in the draft that could make the kind of immediate impact on defense OR offense that Ellis could for the Bengals.

Bengals Draft Day = Fail

Caveat Emperor
04-26-2008, 03:55 PM
Bengals Draft Day = Fail

I'm a Tampa Bay fan -- how the hell do you think I feel having to see this monster 2 times a year?

Cincinnati's ineptitude has far reaching effects. ;)

Screwball
04-26-2008, 03:55 PM
Well that's a big kick to the nuts.

Highlifeman21
04-26-2008, 03:55 PM
Ravens trade their pick to the Jags

Yachtzee
04-26-2008, 03:56 PM
I'm a Tampa Bay fan -- how the hell do you think I feel having to see this monster 2 times a year?

Cincinnati's ineptitude has far reaching effects. ;)

I was optimistic today in putting on Bengals gear, even though I should know better. I think it may be the last time if they pick an RB or WR with this pick.

Caveat Emperor
04-26-2008, 03:57 PM
I was optimistic today in putting on Bengals gear, even though I should know better. I think it may be the last time if they pick an RB or WR with this pick.

If they're gonna go offense, they need to go o-line. The reason the Bengals offense sputters has little to do with the WRs or RBs and much to do with how much time Palmer has to throw and how much room their existing RBs have to run.

Yachtzee
04-26-2008, 04:00 PM
If they're gonna go offense, they need to go o-line. The reason the Bengals offense sputters has little to do with the WRs or RBs and much to do with how much time Palmer has to throw and how much room their existing RBs have to run.

Yep, unfortunately, they've blown so many picks on RBs and DBs in the last few years. I think Levi Jones was the last OL they picked in the first round and for front 7 D I'd have to say Justin Smith.

Yachtzee
04-26-2008, 04:02 PM
Bengals on the clock. Select D or trade down for more picks.

Highlifeman21
04-26-2008, 04:02 PM
Headscratcher pick by the Jags.

Yachtzee
04-26-2008, 04:03 PM
Bengals on the clock. Select D or trade down for more picks.

Or OL

Caveat Emperor
04-26-2008, 04:03 PM
Bengals on the clock. Select D or trade down for more picks.

Keith Rivers is the choice.

And, if I were a Bengals fan, I'd hate it.

OnBaseMachine
04-26-2008, 04:03 PM
Looks like my boy Keith Rivers to Cincy. Cool.

Highlifeman21
04-26-2008, 04:03 PM
Keith Rivers?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

The Bengals made a great pick!

Degenerate39
04-26-2008, 04:03 PM
Here comes the moment of truth

Reds Fanatic
04-26-2008, 04:04 PM
Keith Rivers. Good pick. I wanted Ellis but Rivers is also a good pick for the Bengals.

Highlifeman21
04-26-2008, 04:04 PM
Keith Rivers is the choice.

And, if I were a Bengals fan, I'd hate it.

Really?

We need a LB.

I would have thought the Pats moved down, thinking Rivers would be available @ 10.

Caveat Emperor
04-26-2008, 04:05 PM
Keith Rivers?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

The Bengals made a great pick!

I watched a lot of USC games this year -- I don't think he's going to transition to the pro game quite as well as many think.

Plus, he benefited a TON from the disruptive d-line (led by the aforementioned Ellis) that created space by occupying blockers at the point of attack.

I dunno. I'm not a fan.

Yachtzee
04-26-2008, 04:06 PM
Is that the pick? I'm on ESPN's draft tracker and it hasn't shown up yet.

CTA513
04-26-2008, 04:06 PM
I was hoping for Ellis or trading down.

KYRedsFan
04-26-2008, 04:07 PM
Weird, we screw it up, and then ESPN hoses us. I mean we don't even get to watch the pick announced. THis is bush leage.

KYRedsFan
04-26-2008, 04:08 PM
ha,look at PBS, dead.

Highlifeman21
04-26-2008, 04:08 PM
I watched a lot of USC games this year -- I don't think he's going to transition to the pro game quite as well as many think.

Plus, he benefited a TON from the disruptive d-line (led by the aforementioned Ellis) that created space by occupying blockers at the point of attack.

I dunno. I'm not a fan.

Fair enough.

I only remember watching 2 USC games. 1 game he was on, the other he was lost in the mix.

I like that Rivers will be able to play OLB and MLB. With Thurman being reinstated, and now drafting Rivers, things are looking up for the LB corp.

blumj
04-26-2008, 04:09 PM
Really?

We need a LB.

I would have thought the Pats moved down, thinking Rivers would be available @ 10.

Nah, the Pats don't want rookie LBs. Maybe a DE they can convert, but not this high.

But, of course, they do exactly that. Because as soon as you think you know what they're going to do, they do the opposite.

Degenerate39
04-26-2008, 04:09 PM
I like this pick I think Rivers could help out alot

CTA513
04-26-2008, 04:10 PM
I only like the Rivers pick if the Bengals can get Laws or another good DT in the 2nd.
If not then the Bengals didn't do much at all to fix the DT problem.

Yachtzee
04-26-2008, 04:13 PM
I only like the Rivers pick if the Bengals can get Laws or another good DT in the 2nd.
If not then the Bengals didn't do much at all to fix the DT problem.

I'd like them to take a DT there, but taking two in the D front 7 with the first two picks might be too much for Mike Brown to handle. Of course they did it with Pollack and Thurman, so we'll see.

Screwball
04-26-2008, 04:13 PM
I only like the Rivers pick if the Bengals can get Laws or another good DT in the 2nd.
If not then the Bengals didn't do much at all to fix the DT problem.

True. And with Robertson failing his physical in the potential trade from the Jets I'm not sure how we'd go about resolving the DT situation if we don't grab one in the 2nd.

Yachtzee
04-26-2008, 04:15 PM
True. And with Robertson failing his physical in the potential trade from the Jets I'm not sure how we'd go about resolving the DT situation if we don't grab one in the 2nd.

Invent a new style of D that doesn't use DTs. Maybe just draft a bunch of LBs and give them Laser Cats.

Reds Freak
04-26-2008, 04:17 PM
Anybody watch the Rivers interview on ESPNews? It has nothing to do with his abilities, but I came away very impressed. He was incredibly well spoken, seemed to be very bright, and even handled the Chad question well. Sounds like he has a great head on his shoulders...

Screwball
04-26-2008, 04:20 PM
Invent a new style of D that doesn't use DTs. Maybe just draft a bunch of LBs and give them Laser Cats.

:thumbup:

Caveat Emperor
04-26-2008, 04:20 PM
Bills select a CB.

I really dislike taking CBs high in the first round. Really, outside of 1 or 2 guys, there isn't a single corner in the NFL that can cover a WR 1-on-1 if the QB has more than a few seconds to throw.

On the other side, you can play great defense with mediocre corners as long as your pass rush is good. The Giants proved that quite nicely.

KYRedsFan
04-26-2008, 04:28 PM
Huh? Stewart. Maybe BPA?

KYRedsFan
04-26-2008, 04:28 PM
Cmon bears, BROHM!!!

icehole3
04-26-2008, 04:53 PM
Laws or Dre Moore must be selected in round 2

Caveat Emperor
04-26-2008, 05:27 PM
Bills select a CB.

I really dislike taking CBs high in the first round. Really, outside of 1 or 2 guys, there isn't a single corner in the NFL that can cover a WR 1-on-1 if the QB has more than a few seconds to throw.

On the other side, you can play great defense with mediocre corners as long as your pass rush is good. The Giants proved that quite nicely.

I hate Tampa Bay.

I hate being a fan.

:bang:

HumnHilghtFreel
04-26-2008, 05:41 PM
Jerry Jones loves him some Arkansasnians.

I would have loved to be able to grab Mendenhall there, who I'm extremely surprised was still on the board.

Buckeye33
04-26-2008, 05:52 PM
Just about the best spot for Mendenhall to slide to was Pittsburgh. They have some OL issues, but with just about every team going with the combo RB they get a steal.

Not good for the Bengals. And now a guy I've seen a lot of Bengals fan thought might be there in the 2nd is gone in Chris Johnson.

HumnHilghtFreel
04-26-2008, 05:55 PM
Pretty shocked to see the Titans make that pick. I think everybody there was too because it was silent for a little bit until Kiper took over.

joshnky
04-26-2008, 05:59 PM
Hopefully, this will take RB off the table in the second round. It looks like one of the second tier DTs will be available and there also will be some good options at WR. IMO, given the current layout of the draft, the Bengals need to go DT or WR. I predict that there will be a run on one or the other soon so the Bengals should go the opposite way if a run thins out one position.

joshnky
04-26-2008, 06:01 PM
I love seeing the rush on cornerbacks, O-linemen, and RBs, three positions that are further down the Bengals list of needs. Now if only we could get a run on QBs things would be great.

SteelSD
04-26-2008, 06:01 PM
Wow. Mendenhall to Pittsburgh. I hadn't even considered him there because I honestly didn't think he'd still be on the board. With the top-rated offensive tackles all off the board, I have absolutely no problem with that pick. Kind of giddy, actually.

joshnky
04-26-2008, 06:03 PM
I don't know much about Balmer. Is he worth trading up to grab?

KYRedsFan
04-26-2008, 06:03 PM
Dallas shows the Bengals how you get it done. They had a need at CB, SD was likely takikng him, and they make it happen. Their team has improved by a ton in the past week, if you think Pac Man gives them anything, even moreso.

KYRedsFan
04-26-2008, 06:06 PM
Another tackle. to Houston. Keep it going guys, and we may salvage something here in the second. Would like for us to get some depth at O line but we need something on the DL in the second. Hopefully we'll still have some talent left to get OL in the 3rd along with a receiver.

joshnky
04-26-2008, 06:07 PM
This rush for offensive linemen is getting a little crazy. Eight taken in the first 26 picks including 7 tackles.

GoReds33
04-26-2008, 06:24 PM
I don't know why SF took Balmer. After following the combine, and other draft specials, I hadn't heard of him.

KYRedsFan
04-26-2008, 06:25 PM
Run stuffing DT, some teams value them.

Tony Cloninger
04-26-2008, 06:49 PM
Why do the Bengals pick so much later in the 2nd...then they did in the 1st?

Buckeye33
04-26-2008, 07:15 PM
Why do the Bengals pick so much later in the 2nd...then they did in the 1st?

They picked 1st among all the 7-9 teams from last year in the 1st round, and then it switches order for the 2nd round. The Bengals will then pick 1st among the 7-9 teams again in the 3rd round.

PickOff
04-26-2008, 07:20 PM
Jamal Charles (RB) or Tevor Laws (DT) would both be good picks in the second for the Bengals.

KYRedsFan
04-26-2008, 07:21 PM
Groves anyone?

Buckeye33
04-26-2008, 07:26 PM
Laws, Groves, or Limas Sweed I could live with.

I don't think the Bengals will go RB in the 2nd round. I think they'll hope Matt Forte will be around in the 3rd round.

PickOff
04-26-2008, 07:27 PM
Groves anyone?

Why another linebacker?

PickOff
04-26-2008, 07:28 PM
Laws, Groves, or Limas Sweed I could live with.

I don't think the Bengals will go RB in the 2nd round. I think they'll hope Matt Forte will be around in the 3rd round.

Sweed would work for me.

Buckeye33
04-26-2008, 07:28 PM
Why another linebacker?

I think Groves projects more to a DE, but could play LB. I think Laws will be the best option, but that means nothing of course.

Buckeye33
04-26-2008, 07:29 PM
Mel Kiper seems to think Marcus Harrison is the next best DT, above Laws and Pat Sims.

PickOff
04-26-2008, 07:30 PM
I think Groves projects more to a DE, but could play LB. I think Laws will be the best option, but that means nothing of course.

Okay. If he were to turn into another Merriman, I would have no complaints.

Buckeye33
04-26-2008, 07:34 PM
Wow, ESPN actually goes to a commercial BEFORE the Bengals pick, crazy.

WMR
04-26-2008, 07:35 PM
I would be tickled with Limas Sweed.

PickOff
04-26-2008, 07:35 PM
Mel Kiper seems to think Marcus Harrison is the next best DT, above Laws and Pat Sims.

Harrison looked to be one of the more exciting 4-3 defensive tackles coming into his senior season, but he underwent surgery to repair his left ACL in the spring before the 2007 season. He was expected to miss most (if not all) of the 2007 season, but he busted his butt to be ready for the season opener. He was then arrested for possession of marijuana and ecstasy in August and was suspended for the first game of the season. He played in the remaining 12 games, but wasn't the player he was in the past despite putting up decent numbers.

http://condraft.com/profile.php?id=1087

-No thanks

WMR
04-26-2008, 07:39 PM
I missed the Bengals first pick. What did the talking heads say about our first pick?

PickOff
04-26-2008, 07:41 PM
Mel thought Keith Rivers was solid, but not much of an impact player. A great character guy though.

Reds Fanatic
04-26-2008, 07:41 PM
Jerome Simpson WR Coastal Carolina is the Bengals 2nd round pick

KYRedsFan
04-26-2008, 07:42 PM
WTF?

WMR
04-26-2008, 07:42 PM
Boo.

WMR
04-26-2008, 07:42 PM
Different year, same Bungles.

Buckeye33
04-26-2008, 07:42 PM
Simpson instead of Sweed or Kelly? That isn't even factoring in Laws or Groves...

and the beat seems to go on..

Highlifeman21
04-26-2008, 07:43 PM
Jerome Simpson WR Coastal Carolina is the Bengals 2nd round pick

Unless I missed something, DeSean Jackson was still on the board, right?

WMR
04-26-2008, 07:43 PM
Damn I want to root for another team. I'm sick of being a Bungle fan.

Reds Fanatic
04-26-2008, 07:43 PM
Here is a scouting report on Simpson:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/jerome-simpson?id=318


Analysis
Positives: Has a lean torso with room to add at least another 10 pounds of bulk without having that weight impact his overall quickness...Shows very good elevation to go over the crowd and reach and extend for the pass at its highest point...Demonstrates good fakes and twisting moves to force the defensive backs to come out of backpedal too early and does a nice job of redirecting coming out of his breaks to take the opponent off-balance...Shows great concentration, natural hands and ball security, doing a good job of shielding the ball from the defender...Compensates for a lack of blazing speed with precise route running and very good plant-and-drive agility...His flexibility and balance in his running stride helps him in attempts to separate after the catch...Has outstanding reach and arm length to get to off-target throws and shows excellent body control keeping his feet along the boundaries...Slippery route-runner with the loose hips to change direction without having to break stride...Competitive, intense player with a very good grasp of the playbook, showing the vision to quickly locate the soft areas in the zone...Sinks his weight and lowers his pads to settle in underneath much better as a senior than he did in the past (would take soft angle cuts or fail to sit in the soft spots)...Instinctive route runner who does a nice job of working back when the quarterback is in trouble...Won't explode off the line, but has a decent initial burst to generate movement and get into his routes...Perfect role model for the team's younger players with his work ethic and takes well to hard coaching...Has an array of moves to fool a lethargic defender in attempts to beat the press...Shows good route progression acceleration and can stretch the defense with the way he comes out of his breaks cleanly...Works hard to uncover and shows the hand-eye coordination, along with timing and excellent leaping ability to pluck the ball away from his framework...When going up for the high pass, his superb elevation will generally see him win most jump balls...Maintains tremendous focus going for the ball in a crowd and is known for making acrobatic catches look routine...Might have greatest reach and biggest hands of any receiver in the 2008 draft...Shows smoothness in his running stride and the flexibility to snatch the ball and then set up the defender in attempts to separate...His high-point receiving skills are superior to most receivers in the college ranks.



Negatives: Needs to improve his overall strength and add muscle tone to his frame, as he has skinny thighs and marginal muscle tone in his upper body...More quick than fast, but compensates with precise moves and good lateral agility...Lacks a sudden burst to surprise defenders coming off the snap...Can shield a smaller defender, but his lack of strength makes him susceptible to getting over-run by the bigger defenders when blocking inline...Runs crisp short-area routes, but will sometimes drift or round his cuts attacking the deep seam...Does not have that explosive second gear to separate, but shows the moves, especially when twisting, to break free from the initial tackle...Will use his slippery moves to separate, but does not have the burst to win long distance foot races.



Compares To: T.J. HOUSHMANDZADEH-Cincinnati...Like Houshmandzadeh and the Colts' Reggie Wayne, Simpson gets outstanding elevation going for the ball in a crowd. He needs to add more bulk and improve his overall strength, but he has incredible arm length and large, natural hands, along with outstanding elevation to get to the ball at its highest point. Due to a lack of blazing speed, he might be a better fit playing the slot, but he shows great field vision and boundary awareness, as his change-of-direction agility and array of moves surprise the defense in attempts to separate.


Injury Report
No injuries reported.

Reds Fanatic
04-26-2008, 07:44 PM
Unless I missed something, DeSean Jackson was still on the board, right?Jackson was still on the board, Malcolm Kelly was still on the board.

joshnky
04-26-2008, 07:44 PM
Do teams no something about Sweed, Jackson, and Kelly that no one else does? Those three were projected to be three of the top four receivers but they're in free fall. Might they have been overrated playing for "power" schools?

BuckeyeRedleg
04-26-2008, 07:44 PM
It's official.

Joke of an organization.

Take a WR that would have been available two to three rounds later.

Only the Bungals.

I will laugh as they suck this year. Bye, Marvin. You are not very bright.

GoReds33
04-26-2008, 07:45 PM
That's not the guy we needed. He doesn't have the speed. We needed somebody to go opposite of TJ, that has the speed to beat man on man coverage.

WMR
04-26-2008, 07:45 PM
It's official.

Joke of an organization.

Take a WR that would have been available two to three rounds later.

Only the Bungals.

I will laugh as they suck this year. Bye, Marvin. You are not very bright.

It's truly pathetic.

Man I wish I could say what I really think about Mike Brown right now.

:censored:

BuckeyeRedleg
04-26-2008, 07:45 PM
COASTAL CAROLINA.

AHH HAAA HAA HAAA.

Hilarious.

KYRedsFan
04-26-2008, 07:46 PM
we cannot draft for value to save our life. There are tons of WR left, and we go now?

Yachtzee
04-26-2008, 07:46 PM
Clearly a reaction to Henry and CJ. Scouting report sounds good. However, is this a guy they could have gotten tomorrow?

CTA513
04-26-2008, 07:46 PM
So they didn't even draft one of the better WRs?
I guess we should hope they can find a good DT later.

:dunno:

WMR
04-26-2008, 07:47 PM
Clearly a reaction to Henry and CJ. Scouting report sounds good. However, is this a guy they could have gotten tomorrow?

Yes. Completely ridiculous pick. Does ESPN even have any video of the guy?

LMAO

KYRedsFan
04-26-2008, 07:47 PM
that is the problem. Even if you LOVE this guy, he is going to be there several rounds later. Just so f'n stupid. THis is someone we will sign for CHEAP, and that is your reason bengals fans.

Highlifeman21
04-26-2008, 07:47 PM
Jackson was still on the board, Malcolm Kelly was still on the board.

Kelly and Tweed were both available. I prefer DeSean Jackson only b/c he has ridiculous speed, and would give us a weapon in our PR and KR game.

Regardless, This Simpson or Sampson, or whoever the Hell he is is a Bengals-esque move.

WMR
04-26-2008, 07:48 PM
Good pick for the Skins. Fred Davis.

Yachtzee
04-26-2008, 07:48 PM
COASTAL CAROLINA.

AHH HAAA HAA HAAA.

Hilarious.

I hardly think drafting a guy from a small school is a joke. Look up where Jerry Rice came from some time. If you want to say they could have waited to see if he dropped a few rounds, that's fine. But I don't think there's any point going off on the school he went to. There are plenty of good WRs and RBs that came from small schools.

BuckeyeRedleg
04-26-2008, 07:51 PM
Clearly a reaction to Henry and CJ. Scouting report sounds good. However, is this a guy they could have gotten tomorrow?

Uh yes.

Leave it to the Bungals to think they know more than anyone else. Way to go, Marvin and Mikey. Marvin, your D has sucked for how many years now?

Solid pick.

I swear, between Dusty and BCast for the Deads and Marvin and Mike Brown for the Bungals, the city of Cincinnati holds a monopoly on professional sports ineptitude.

Maybe the worst combo of football and baseball franchises any city has had the misfortune of supporting for decades.

CTA513
04-26-2008, 07:51 PM
Eagles picked Trevor Laws right after the Bengals picked Simpson.

Yachtzee
04-26-2008, 07:51 PM
Kelly and Tweed were both available. I prefer DeSean Jackson only b/c he has ridiculous speed, and would give us a weapon in our PR and KR game.

Regardless, This Simpson or Sampson, or whoever the Hell he is is a Bengals-esque move.

I have a feeling they may be overcompensating on the character after being burned by Henry, CJ, Thurman, et. al. They want guys who will come in, work hard and set a good example. Whether that leads to winning football remains to be seen. If it was truly Bengalesque, they would have picked someone who was a reach and a bad character type. Still doesn't change the fact that they could have addressed the DT position and still gotten this guy a round or two later.

Tony Cloninger
04-26-2008, 07:52 PM
PHI had NO PROBLEM taking Laws right after the Bengals.

WMR
04-26-2008, 07:52 PM
Bye bye Trevor Laws

KYRedsFan
04-26-2008, 07:53 PM
Trevor Laws, you got to be kidding me. This is just sad sad SAD!!!!!!!!!

BuckeyeRedleg
04-26-2008, 07:53 PM
that is the problem. Even if you LOVE this guy, he is going to be there several rounds later. Just so f'n stupid. THis is someone we will sign for CHEAP, and that is your reason bengals fans.

This is what they do every year. They outhink themselves.

So far the pick of the draft is Mendenhall for Pittsburgh.

Buckeye33
04-26-2008, 07:54 PM
Here is rotoworlds take on the Bengals great pick:

Bengals selected Coastal Carolina WR Jerome Simpson with the No. 47 overall pick in the NFL Draft.
Who? The small school prospect is a classic size/speed combination with incredible tools. But with Limas Sweed, Malcolm Kelly, DeSean Jackson, and Mario Manningham on the board, it's shocking the Bengals would ignore defense and go with a developmental prospect. Simpson is someone to watch ala Vincent Jackson, but he will take time. As a rookie, he'll compete for the third receiver job.

PickOff
04-26-2008, 07:55 PM
4.42 Speed for Simpson at the combine. Only 4 WR with more speed. Desean Jackson (another loudmouth a la Chad) at 4.35, Devon Thomas at 4.40, Andre Caldwell at 4.37, Eddie Royal at 4.39.

This kid is the complete WR, very athletic and has been a starter for 4 years. It is very unlikely he is there in the 3rd round. I'll defend this pick.

Tony Cloninger
04-26-2008, 07:58 PM
You can't....not when DT is a need.

Is Bob Brown still available to come out of retirement? Ron Carpentar?

WMR
04-26-2008, 07:58 PM
4.42 Speed for Simpson at the combine. Only 4 WR with more speed. Desean Jackson (another loudmouth a la Chad) at 4.35, Devon Thomas at 4.40, Andre Caldwell at 4.37, Eddie Royal at 4.39.

This kid is the complete WR, very athletic and has been a starter for 4 years. It is very unlikely he is there in the 3rd round. I'll defend this pick.

If they wanted a WR, Limas Sweed would have been a head and shoulders better pick than this one.

Yachtzee
04-26-2008, 07:58 PM
4.42 Speed for Simpson at the combine. Only 4 WR with more speed. Desean Jackson (another loudmouth a la Chad) at 4.35, Devon Thomas at 4.40, Andre Caldwell at 4.37, Eddie Royal at 4.39.

This kid is the complete WR, very athletic and has been a starter for 4 years. It is very unlikely he is there in the 3rd round. I'll defend this pick.

Maybe that is why they didn't go with one of the big school WRs. Afraid that big school pedigree comes with a CJ-like big school attitude. I guess we'll see how it pans out.

KYRedsFan
04-26-2008, 07:59 PM
4.42 Speed for Simpson at the combine. Only 4 WR with more speed. Desean Jackson (another loudmouth a la Chad) at 4.35, Devon Thomas at 4.40, Andre Caldwell at 4.37, Eddie Royal at 4.39.

This kid is the complete WR, very athletic and has been a starter for 4 years. It is very unlikely he is there in the 3rd round. I'll defend this pick.

But will someone with the talent of Groves or Laws be there? No. there will likely be WR talent at his level available.

Yachtzee
04-26-2008, 08:00 PM
If they wanted a WR, Limas Sweed would have been a head and shoulders better pick than this one.

I know little about Sweed. Could he have some attitude/legal issues in his past that might have made the Bengals pause?

I'm not saying I agree with it, but the first two picks definitely have that flavor of "We're tired of drafting egos and felons."

KYRedsFan
04-26-2008, 08:03 PM
I know little about Sweed. Could he have some attitude/legal issues in his past that might have made the Bengals pause?

I'm not saying I agree with it, but the first two picks definitely have that flavor of "We're tired of drafting egos and felons."


Nada, none. Had a wrist injury which scared some people, but not to the point of moving him behind this guy. Plus, again, he is available, other teams that want WR are likely to go after him and we could still get Coastal Carolina guy later. That is the problem, we reached.

Tony Cloninger
04-26-2008, 08:03 PM
This is David verser......Billy Brooks......Hey he runs fast.....we like fast guys beacuse if they are fast...we do not have to do much more scouting than that.

Jim Limp does not have to watch a lot of tapes beacuse that would take time and money...which is just as good as cash to Mike Brown.

Yachtzee
04-26-2008, 08:12 PM
This is David verser......Billy Brooks......Hey he runs fast.....we like fast guys beacuse if they are fast...we do not have to do much more scouting than that.

Jim Limp does not have to watch a lot of tapes beacuse that would take time and money...which is just as good as cash to Mike Brown.

If he has size and speed and runs good routes, I don't have a problem with it. I think the bigger complaint here is that solid DT picks were available and we reached on someone who a lot of folks think would have been around in the third. Of course we have no idea. Maybe the Bengals really see something in this dude and knew some other team had it bad for him too. Still, I would rather have the DT. Its much easier to find decent WRs on the waiver wire than DTs.

BuckeyeRedleg
04-26-2008, 08:13 PM
Marvin, you're on the hot seat. You know you have to win THIS YEAR to keep your job.

So you take a WR that will take 2-3 years to develop (and he would have been available 2-3 rounds later).

You deserve to be fired. Yesterday.

Bye.

KYRedsFan
04-26-2008, 08:13 PM
Groves. gone. Laws. Gone. All guys we should have taken. Amateur hour.

And Burgh thanks us and takes Sweed. We are seriously running the biggest joke of a draft right now. Cleveland has a better draft going right now.

CTA513
04-26-2008, 08:15 PM
The Steelers picked WR Limas Sweed

HumnHilghtFreel
04-26-2008, 08:16 PM
The Steelers are having an awesome draft especially considering their position.

Parker/Mendenhall, Hines/Santonio/Sweed

Nasty

KYRedsFan
04-26-2008, 08:21 PM
Best part about this is the main bengals message board is down. Melted down just before we took rivers. Everything that involves this team is amateur.

BuckeyeRedleg
04-26-2008, 08:23 PM
The Steelers proving why they are the class of the NFL (anti-Bungals) with their selections.

Reds Freak
04-26-2008, 08:29 PM
The Steelers proving why they are the class of the NFL (anti-Bungals) with their selections.

Don't tell Steelers fans that. My buddy sent a link to their board and for the most part they all hate the pick of Mendenhall...

MWM
04-26-2008, 08:31 PM
The Steelers proving why they are the class of the NFL (anti-Bungals) with their selections.

Exactly what I was thinking. It's night and day.

Pittsburgh knows who they are and what type of players will fit in their organization.

PickOff
04-26-2008, 08:31 PM
Well, we will certainly see whether the Steelers or the Bengals picked the better wide reciever. I would be very suprised if this wideout takes 2-3 years to develop. Aside from adding some size, the book on this guy seems to be that he can contribute right away.

Whether this was a reach or not, that is hard to tell. He was projected to go in the 2nd or 3rd round. They obviously felt strongly enough about him that they weren't willing to risk him being taken.

They probably also felt that they could get better quality for pick value at DT/DE in the third.

It is not suprising to see the knee jerk remarks about this pick because this guy was not talked up. Barring an injury, though, he looks like the real deal to me.

BuckeyeRedleg
04-26-2008, 08:36 PM
Don't tell Steelers fans that. My buddy sent a link to their board and for the most part they all hate the pick of Mendenhall...

They also hate Willie Parker and they just got a top 10 pick with Mendenhall. They will be loving this pick very soon.

They also hated Big Ben as well. They are a spoiled fanbase. Bungal fans have no idea what it's like to be spoiled.

Tony Cloninger
04-26-2008, 08:36 PM
Wish i had your sunny desposition....At least you are not telling me to go away or be a Steeler fan....like he morons at Bengal.com boards.

WMR
04-26-2008, 08:37 PM
A spoiled, generally stupid fanbase. But then again, the average football fan is pretty dumb.

Mendenhall is an amazing pick for them. Sweed is a great pick as well.

WMR
04-26-2008, 08:37 PM
Wish i had your sunny desposition....At least you are not telling me to go away or be a Steeler fan....like he morons at Bengal.com boards.

You're a brave man for even attempting to post on that garbage site.

BuckeyeRedleg
04-26-2008, 08:42 PM
Well, we will certainly see whether the Steelers or the Bengals picked the better wide reciever. I would be very suprised if this wideout takes 2-3 years to develop. Aside from adding some size, the book on this guy seems to be that he can contribute right away.

Whether this was a reach or not, that is hard to tell. He was projected to go in the 2nd or 3rd round. They obviously felt strongly enough about him that they weren't willing to risk him being taken.

They probably also felt that they could get better quality for pick value at DT/DE in the third.

It is not suprising to see the knee jerk remarks about this pick because this guy was not talked up. Barring an injury, though, he looks like the real deal to me.


Yes, we will certainly see. When your D has stunk for so long and you have a chance to luck into a safe pick in the 2nd round to fix said D and you take a WR that would have been available 2-3 rounds later, there is no excuse.

Kenny Irons was a stupid pick in '07 and this is 10 times worse.

A WR is a bad pick here, but when you take this guy over Kelly, Manningham, Sweed, and Doucet you are not bright. You are just a FO that wants to appear smarter than everyone else when the main goal should be winning.

Tony Cloninger
04-26-2008, 08:53 PM
I just saw someone post over there........
Anyway, Mike Brown and Marvin Lewis obviously know what they're doing, so I have faith, afterall we're just silly-billy fans and they're 'football guys'.


????.....They are spoiled?? Spoiled by what? I mean.....there are some smart ones over there who know the score....BUT if you compliment the Steeler picks....it's...GET THE F out.....Leave....Good grief...no sense of what is going on at all.

HumnHilghtFreel
04-26-2008, 08:53 PM
Bah. Cowboys trade a decent young TE in Fasano to take another TE.

I was hoping to see them take someone like Dan Connor, who's going to be a good value pick for whoever grabs him.

PickOff
04-26-2008, 08:55 PM
Yes, we will certainly see. When your D has stunk for so long and you have a chance to luck into a safe pick in the 2nd round to fix said D and you take a WR that would have been available 2-3 rounds later, there is no excuse.

Kenny Irons was a stupid pick in '07 and this is 10 times worse.

A WR is a bad pick here, but when you take this guy over Kelly, Manningham, Sweed, and Doucet you are not bright. You are just a FO that wants to appear smarter than everyone else when the main goal should be winning.

You seem rather certain that Simpson will be a bust, and equally as certain that there was a prime defensive savior for the plucking. WR is a need, as is the defense, obviously. If your best player is the QB, it stands to reason that you need to give him prime targets to throw to, or you are just wasting a vast strength and becoming mediocre/poor everywhere.

I'm not positive this was a good pick, but I am positive it was not an obvious screw up.

Reds Fanatic
04-26-2008, 08:57 PM
I thought they were only doing 2 rounds today but the rounds have went so fast under the new rules they are now starting round 3.

Reds Fanatic
04-26-2008, 08:59 PM
I take it back. I guess they are only doing 2 rounds today. They are done 2 hours earlier then they thought they would be.

Buckeye33
04-26-2008, 09:00 PM
I thought they were only doing 2 rounds today but the rounds have went so fast under the new rules they are now starting round 3.

Today is done. The Dolphins will pick at 10am tomorrow morning. There was no reason not to still have the first 3 rounds today.

They could have started at 1pm and been done with the 1st 3 rounds by 10 pm.

Oh well, maybe next year they'll figure it out.

Mario-Rijo
04-26-2008, 09:02 PM
Yes, we will certainly see. When your D has stunk for so long and you have a chance to luck into a safe pick in the 2nd round to fix said D and you take a WR that would have been available 2-3 rounds later, there is no excuse.

Kenny Irons was a stupid pick in '07 and this is 10 times worse.

A WR is a bad pick here, but when you take this guy over Kelly, Manningham, Sweed, and Doucet you are not bright. You are just a FO that wants to appear smarter than everyone else when the main goal should be winning.

The same could be said for when Chad Johson was drafted ahead of Chris Chambers. I think recent off the field issues aside, I make that selection everytime. CJ put up pedestrian 40 times back then and this kid put up better recently. After doing a little research as far as WR's go this kid is a phenom. Has great hands/leaping ability, is a competitor, good character guy. Ran well at workouts/combine yet the knock on him is he lacks quickness and speed and needs to brush up his route running. Anybody that works the way this kid supposedly does won't have a problem with route running as long as he get's proper coaching. Add to that the loss of of Henry and CJ's issues and WR is as much a "need" as any position if not moreso.

joshnky
04-26-2008, 09:02 PM
You seem rather certain that Simpson will be a bust, and equally as certain that there was a prime defensive savior for the plucking. WR is a need, as is the defense, obviously. If your best player is the QB, it stands to reason that you need to give him prime targets to throw to, or you are just wasting a vast strength and becoming mediocre/poor everywhere.

I'm not positive this was a good pick, but I am positive it was not an obvious screw up.

Agreed. WR is a huge need on this team. Right now you have TJ and a bunch of injury prone 4th or 5th receivers. This doesn't seem like the right receiver but the small school guys often get overlooked because we don't see them play. The WR draft this year is really weird with surprises early before the big names were picked. I'll give the Bengals some benefit of the doubt just because I don't know much about this guy and the scouting report looks solid. And its hard to say he would have been available later when Avery, Nelson, and Royal all went earlier in the round after the "experts" gave them third and fourth round grades.

BuckeyeRedleg
04-26-2008, 09:13 PM
You are all missing the point. It doesn't matter if the kid is the 2nd coming of Jerry Rice, he would have been available later.

A stupid Bungal-like pick.

You are also forgetting, this isn't an organization that has earned the benefit of the doubt.

For all that are convinced he's the 2nd coming of Chad or Rice, do you want to wager how much of an impact he has on this team in '08? I will bet he's hardly noticed.

Marvin is coaching for his life right now. No excuse to reach for a WR here when his D has been bottom five for the last five years.

PickOff
04-26-2008, 09:27 PM
You are all missing the point. It doesn't matter if the kid is the 2nd coming of Jerry Rice, he would have been available later.


Nobody is missing your point. It is simply impossible to prove that your point is at all true.

BuckeyeRedleg
04-26-2008, 09:42 PM
Nobody is missing your point. It is simply impossible to prove that your point is at all true.

How so? He either contributes early or he does not. WR's rarely make an impact until their 2nd to 3rd year. Hey, if you are an elite team and this guy fills a need, great, but we are talking about a defense that has held the team down for years.

If he takes three years, it's a bad pick in the 2nd round, especially when Marvin is coaching for his life and needs impact players (especially from the 2nd round) now.

If this D finishes 25-30th AGAIN, Marvin will be fired. Plain and simple. This team cannot win with a D that bad and anything less than 9-7 will send Marvin packing. A stupid pick with so much on the line.

But look at his drafting history. More of the same and another reason he should not get the benefit of the doubt with this reach.

SteelSD
04-26-2008, 09:46 PM
Exactly what I was thinking. It's night and day.

Pittsburgh knows who they are and what type of players will fit in their organization.

I'm absolutely floored that the Steelers were able to draft both Mendenhall and Sweed that late in each round.

Sorry to be the happy Steelers' fan on the board at this point, but just wow...

Redhook
04-26-2008, 09:53 PM
How so? He either contributes early or he does not. WR's rarely make an impact until their 2nd to 3rd year. Hey, if you are an elite team and this guy fills a need, great, but we are talking about a defense that has held the team down for years.

If he takes three years, it's a bad pick in the 2nd round, especially when Marvin is coaching for his life and needs impact players (especially from the 2nd round) now.

If this D finishes 25-30th AGAIN, Marvin will be fired. Plain and simple. This team cannot win with a D that bad and anything less than 9-7 will send Marvin packing. A stupid pick with so much on the line.

But look at his drafting history. More of the same and another reason he should not get the benefit of the doubt with this reach.

I agree with everything you've said. I really hope he's a good player, but that's not the point. It was a bad pick at a bad time.

I think Marvin is a moron on the field, in the locker, and drafting players. Other than that, he's great. But seriously, he has no clue on clock management, no clue how to handle Chad or the other troubled players, and he's been absolutely horrendous in his drafts. Chris Perry, Kenny Irons, Jeff Rowe, etc. It goes on and on.

Luxury picks over need. The cornerstone of any crappy franchise.

Mario-Rijo
04-26-2008, 09:55 PM
You are all missing the point. It doesn't matter if the kid is the 2nd coming of Jerry Rice, he would have been available later.

A stupid Bungal-like pick.

You are also forgetting, this isn't an organization that has earned the benefit of the doubt.

For all that are convinced he's the 2nd coming of Chad or Rice, do you want to wager how much of an impact he has on this team in '08? I will bet he's hardly noticed.

Marvin is coaching for his life right now. No excuse to reach for a WR here when his D has been bottom five for the last five years.

No I get what you are saying. However if the powers that be feel he has more value to this team now than any defender they could have chose & perhaps gives them even more value in the long term then they are going to take him. I gotta agree that they "need" a WR and I think he will actually provide us some production.

That said we still have 8 more picks including 2 3rd rounders and who knows maybe we end up with a few more picks. I think there are still many quality defenders and if at the end of the day they have 3 or so offensive players 6-7 or so defensive players then it's probably a good draft.

But the bottom line for me is I am not reaching for a guy for need if his overall worth is noticeably different at least as a rule.

Joseph
04-26-2008, 09:59 PM
Leave it to the Bengals to draft a 5th rounder when there are still DT's of value on the board, and other players at the same position.

I swear both teams I root for are run by morons. I'm starting to think that I must be one too.

BuckeyeRedleg
04-26-2008, 10:03 PM
I agree with everything you've said. I really hope he's a good player, but that's not the point. It was a bad pick at a bad time.

I think Marvin is a moron on the field, in the locker, and drafting players. Other than that, he's great. But seriously, he has no clue on clock management, no clue how to handle Chad or the other troubled players, and he's been absolutely horrendous in his drafts. Chris Perry, Kenny Irons, Jeff Rowe, etc. It goes on and on.

Luxury picks over need. The cornerstone of any crappy franchise.

And I agree with everything you've said.

Watching Marvin manage a game is painful. I can't, for the life of me, understand why his decisions aren't more scrutinized by the media, but I have an idea why.

Mario-Rijo
04-26-2008, 10:06 PM
Leave it to the Bengals to draft a 5th rounder when there are still DT's of value on the board, and other players at the same position.

I swear both teams I root for are run by morons. I'm starting to think that I must be one too.

I have never in my life seen a potential 5th rounder with virtually no major weaknesses. This kid has no glaring weaknesses and has a few major strengths.

BuckeyeRedleg
04-26-2008, 10:14 PM
I have never in my life seen a potential 5th rounder with virtually no major weaknesses. This kid has no glaring weaknesses and has a few major strengths.

What are his strengths, Mario? A couple of good film clips against I-AA competition.

The guy put up 41 receptions for 697 yards in his SR. year against I-AA competition.

From ESPN:

"We are surprised that Simpson came off the board earlier than Limas Sweed, DeSean Jackson and Malcolm Kelly. Simpson isn't a great route runner and he played at a small school, so he faces a steeper learning curve. On the plus side, he has adequate size and the frame to get even bigger. He also has good speed, tracks the ball well and can make a spectacular catch."

Great. So can my next door neighbor's kid.

Any WR that is taken in the first 7 rounds has the same "strengths" listed.

PickOff
04-26-2008, 10:17 PM
I have never in my life seen a potential 5th rounder with virtually no major weaknesses. This kid has no glaring weaknesses and has a few major strengths.

This is why I don't think this pick is necessarily a reach. When reading up on the other WRs available in the draft, he stands out as having less weaknesses than almost every other reciever and certainly less than those available at the time of the pick.

The question still remains as to whether he would have been availble in the 3rd round, but that is something we will never know.

BuckeyeRedleg
04-26-2008, 10:24 PM
This is why I don't think this pick is necessarily a reach. When reading up on the other WRs available in the draft, he stands out as having less weaknesses than almost every other reciever and certainly less than those available at the time of the pick.

The question still remains as to whether he would have been availble in the 3rd round, but that is something we will never know.

What are his "less weaknesses"? Sure, he might have something on a guy like Manningham (a brain), but what does he have over Kelly, Doucet, Sweed, etc.? How do his strengths negate theirs?

Because he looks good in jeans and can jump real high? Forget that he caught 41 passes against I-AA competition. And why was he I-AA in the first place?

Regardless, they could have still taken the next WR available (if he was gone in round 3) and still got a DT in the 2nd.

Playadlc
04-26-2008, 10:25 PM
I agree with everything you've said. I really hope he's a good player, but that's not the point. It was a bad pick at a bad time.

I think Marvin is a moron on the field, in the locker, and drafting players. Other than that, he's great. But seriously, he has no clue on clock management, no clue how to handle Chad or the other troubled players, and he's been absolutely horrendous in his drafts. Chris Perry, Kenny Irons, Jeff Rowe, etc. It goes on and on.

Luxury picks over need. The cornerstone of any crappy franchise.

How in the heck did the Bengals make a luxury pick? Who do the Bengals have to play WR besides TJ? The Bengals drafted at the two positions where they have the most need. I don't understand the uproar over drafting a wide receiver here. And please, do not give me the they reached crap, either. No one on this board has watched this kid enough to make that kind of determination.

WVRed
04-26-2008, 10:33 PM
How so? He either contributes early or he does not. WR's rarely make an impact until their 2nd to 3rd year. Hey, if you are an elite team and this guy fills a need, great, but we are talking about a defense that has held the team down for years.

If he takes three years, it's a bad pick in the 2nd round, especially when Marvin is coaching for his life and needs impact players (especially from the 2nd round) now.

If this D finishes 25-30th AGAIN, Marvin will be fired. Plain and simple. This team cannot win with a D that bad and anything less than 9-7 will send Marvin packing. A stupid pick with so much on the line.

But look at his drafting history. More of the same and another reason he should not get the benefit of the doubt with this reach.

You seem to forget that this is the Cincinnati Bengals, and Mike Brown doesn't exactly possess a trigger finger that other teams generally do. Bruce Coslet had to resign and he did far worse than Marvin.

BuckeyeRedleg
04-26-2008, 10:38 PM
How in the heck did the Bengals make a luxury pick? Who do the Bengals have to play WR besides TJ? The Bengals drafted at the two positions where they have the most need. I don't understand the uproar over drafting a wide receiver here. And please, do not give me the they reached crap, either. No one on this board has watched this kid enough to make that kind of determination.

Have you watched him? How do you know he's not a reach?

Because Marvin and Mikey have never reached, right?

Mario-Rijo
04-26-2008, 10:44 PM
What are his strengths, Mario? A couple of good film clips against I-AA competition.

The guy put up 41 receptions for 697 yards in his SR. year against I-AA competition.

From ESPN:

"We are surprised that Simpson came off the board earlier than Limas Sweed, DeSean Jackson and Malcolm Kelly. Simpson isn't a great route runner and he played at a small school, so he faces a steeper learning curve. On the plus side, he has adequate size and the frame to get even bigger. He also has good speed, tracks the ball well and can make a spectacular catch."

Great. So can my next door neighbor's kid.

Any WR that is taken in the first 7 rounds has the same "strengths" listed.

I have already listed most of his strengths, but I will go over it again. Because his QB left after his JR year where he had 61 Catches 1,077 yds., 16 TD's and a 17.7 per catch avg., his #'s dropped through no fault of his own.


He has little to no injury history: Check
He has no character concerns: Check
He is intelligent: Check
He is a tough kid & fearless competitor: Check
He is a willing & able blocker: Check
He has freakishly long arms, huge hands (35 5/8 & 10 3/8 respectively)
He has better than avg speed but not elite speed (4.42-4.47 was his times)
He has good focus, concentration and determination when catching ball and good soft hands
He has phenominal leaping ability (44 inch vertical, 11'4 Broad Jump) (Vert is about as good as poss. broad jump is an all time combine record)
He has extremely good body control (probably partially due to leaping ability)

He needs work on route running (what college WR doesn't/hasn't) but according to coaches possesses all the ability for this not to be a big issue

I don't know about his quickness but that is supposedly one of his weaknesses (just like his speed which turned out to be fine)

What's not to like?

*Note* Has had a 44 inch Vertical, but his official combine # was 37.5 (good for 2nd among WR's).

Playadlc
04-26-2008, 10:55 PM
Have you watched him? How do you know he's not a reach?

Because Marvin and Mikey have never reached, right?

Huh?

I have no idea if this is a reach or not, which is my point. People here are crying about this pick when they really have no clue what kind of player he is.

I am not going to assume this pick sucks simply because he went to Coastal Carolina.

Mario-Rijo
04-26-2008, 10:57 PM
I'm absolutely floored that the Steelers were able to draft both Mendenhall and Sweed that late in each round.

Sorry to be the happy Steelers' fan on the board at this point, but just wow...

Likewise shocked, especially Mendenhall. IMO He was the best overall RB in the draft.

WVRed
04-26-2008, 10:57 PM
I'm not too upset over the Keith Rivers pick. The team has too many holes to fill and trading the picks to the Patriots just for Ellis would not have helped.

Taking Jerome Simpson though:


Bigger needs. Trevor Laws, Calais Campbell, and Quentin Groves were available and our defense needed this pick more than the wideout.

Better value at wideout. Malcolm Kelly, DeSean Jackson, and Limas Sweed were all available. I could possibly see not taking Jackson due to character issues or Sweed and Kelly due to injury, but sometimes its a good idea to take risks.

Could have been had later. Simpson was projected as a 3rd-4th round wideout.


I honestly hope I am proven wrong. However, the draft usually ends up being really good or really bad. I can honestly name three drafts that I thought the Bengals were turning the corner(Justin Smith and Chad Johnson, Carson Palmer, and the Pollack/Thurman/Henry drafts), but the rest just shows how inept the Bengals are.

savafan
04-26-2008, 11:02 PM
Man, I'm glad I'm a Browns' fan.

BuckeyeRedleg
04-26-2008, 11:10 PM
I have already listed most of his strengths, but I will go over it again. Because his QB left after his JR year where he had 61 Catches 1,077 yds., 16 TD's and a 17.7 per catch avg., his #'s dropped through no fault of his own.

Against who?


He has little to no injury history: Check

Me too.


He has no character concerns: Check

Me too.


He is intelligent: Check

Me too.


He is a tough kid & fearless competitor: Check

Tough to measure, but what the heck, me too.



He is a willing & able blocker: Check


Really? You know this? You watched all of his games. Well, I'd be a willing blocker if I had to, so me too (again).



He has freakishly long arms, huge hands (35 5/8 & 10 3/8 respectively)

Ok, he's got me there. Sweet. We are onto something here.



He has better than avg speed but not elite speed (4.42-4.47 was his times)

He has good focus, concentration and determination when catching ball and good soft hands)

The same could be said for nearly all of the top draft eligible receivers or else they wouldn't be considered draft eligible.



He has phenominal leaping ability (44 inch vertical, 11'4 Broad Jump)

So does a basketball player.



He has extremely good body control (probably partially due to leaping ability)

Any decent athlete, especially a draft eligible WR, should have "body control", but I'm not sure how it can be measured so I'll just take whoever's word for it. Great. Body control.


He needs work on route running (what college WR doesn't/hasn't) but according to coaches possesses all the ability for this not to be a big issue)

Super. How many years will this take? Two? Three? Will Carson still be here? I know Marvin won't.


I don't know about his quickness but that is supposedly one of his weaknesses (just like his speed which turned out to be fine) )

Quickness is a tough one to measure, but I'm sure it looks better against I-AA competition. For a draft eligible WR, it should.



What's not to like?

Not much. What's not too like about the way things have been done in Bengal land for say the last 25 years?

I know. rhetorical question.

WVRed
04-26-2008, 11:12 PM
If I had to pick day one winners:

1.Pittsburgh. Getting a dual running threat and getting Big Ben a taller wideout makes them a real threat to New England and Indy.

2.Washington. Traded out of the first round and added two second round picks from Atlanta. Used them plus their own to select two tall wideouts in Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly, plus a TE in Fred Davis. If Jason Campbell fails, it will likely be through no fault of his own.

3.Jacksonville. Added two DE's in Derrick Harvey and Quentin Groves. When you consider how they did against NE in the playoffs, this was a necessity.

4.Carolina. Added a dual threat in Stewart plus an OT to boot. Only problem is dealing a first rounder away next year.

WVRed
04-26-2008, 11:19 PM
Out of curiosity, I wonder if any Ravens fans are on a trip to Negativitytown after taking a 1-AA QB. Compared to taking a 1-AA receiver, I wonder if there is a difference.

HumnHilghtFreel
04-26-2008, 11:21 PM
If I had to pick day one winners:

1.Pittsburgh. Getting a dual running threat and getting Big Ben a taller wideout makes them a real threat to New England and Indy.

2.Washington. Traded out of the first round and added two second round picks from Atlanta. Used them plus their own to select two tall wideouts in Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly, plus a TE in Fred Davis. If Jason Campbell fails, it will likely be through no fault of his own.

3.Jacksonville. Added two DE's in Derrick Harvey and Quentin Groves. When you consider how they did against NE in the playoffs, this was a necessity.

4.Carolina. Added a dual threat in Stewart plus an OT to boot. Only problem is dealing a first rounder away next year.

I'd have to toss in Kansas City too. I think they had a VERY solid day 1.

BuckeyeRedleg
04-26-2008, 11:29 PM
Huh?

I have no idea if this is a reach or not, which is my point. People here are crying about this pick when they really have no clue what kind of player he is.

I am not going to assume this pick sucks simply because he went to Coastal Carolina.


So you are unable to form an opinion on the pick.

And since that is the case, no one else can? What is there to discuss?

If they take a punter from Otterbein with their 3rd round pick, it's okay because no one here has any clue, right? If so, why do you follow the draft at all? Just read the paper on Monday and be happy with the genius of the Bengals.

And I would argue that this is not one of the two positions that they have the most need. 10th ranked offense (pretty much without C. Henry) and 28th ranked defense tell me otherwise. How can anyone that has followed this miserable franchise in 2004, 2005, 2006, and 2007 not think the DLine is not their most pressing need?

Mario-Rijo
04-26-2008, 11:42 PM
Against who?



Me too.



Me too.



Me too.



Tough to measure, but what the heck, me too.





Really? You know this? You watched all of his games. Well, I'd be a willing blocker if I had to, so me too (again).




Ok, he's got me there. Sweet. We are onto something here.




The same could be said for nearly all of the top draft eligible receivers or else they wouldn't be considered draft eligible.




So does a basketball player.




Any decent athlete, especially a draft eligible WR, should have "body control", but I'm not sure how it can be measured so I'll just take whoever's word for it. Great. Body control.



Super. How many years will this take? Two? Three? Will Carson still be here? I know Marvin won't.



Quickness is a tough one to measure, but I'm sure it looks better against I-AA competition. For a draft eligible WR, it should.




Not much. What's not too like about the way things have been done in Bengal land for say the last 25 years?

I know. rhetorical question.

Then make yourself draft eligible. This is obviously a fruitless endeavor on my part because you could care less about how good this kid is/can be. But perhaps this info will be good for someone else to make an informed decision on how good a pick it was or in your case wasn't.

CTA513
04-26-2008, 11:53 PM
Anyone know what time the second day of the draft starts?

HumnHilghtFreel
04-26-2008, 11:54 PM
Anyone know what time the second day of the draft starts?

10am

Mario-Rijo
04-26-2008, 11:54 PM
Anyone know what time the second day of the draft starts?

10 a.m. est

Mario-Rijo
04-26-2008, 11:56 PM
What are his strengths, Mario? A couple of good film clips against I-AA competition.

The guy put up 41 receptions for 697 yards in his SR. year against I-AA competition.

From ESPN:

"We are surprised that Simpson came off the board earlier than Limas Sweed, DeSean Jackson and Malcolm Kelly. Simpson isn't a great route runner and he played at a small school, so he faces a steeper learning curve. On the plus side, he has adequate size and the frame to get even bigger. He also has good speed, tracks the ball well and can make a spectacular catch."

Great. So can my next door neighbor's kid.

Any WR that is taken in the first 7 rounds has the same "strengths" listed.

The rest of the quote:

46. Cincinnati Bengals
The pick: Jerome Simpson, WR, Coastal Carolina
What he brings: We are surprised Simpson came off the board earlier than Limas Sweed, DeSean Jackson and Malcolm Kelly. Simpson isn't a great route runner and played at a small school, so he faces a steeper learning curve. On the plus side, he has adequate size and the frame to get even bigger. He also has good speed, tracks the ball well and can make a spectacular catch.

How he fits: The Bengals obviously had Simpson rated higher than the other receivers on the board. This team was in a dire need of receiver due to the release of Chris Henry and the uncertainty of Chad Johnson. Depending on what Johnson does, Simpson could come in and play right away. What was once a strength in Cincy is now a serious question mark.

BuckeyeRedleg
04-26-2008, 11:58 PM
Then make yourself draft eligible. This is obviously a fruitless endeavor on my part because you could care less about how good this kid is/can be. But perhaps this info will be good for someone else to make an informed decision on how good a pick it was or in your case wasn't.

What should matter is how good this kid will be this year. My opinion is that he isn't good enough for Marvin to save his job THIS YEAR, but may pay off 2-3 years from now.

2-3 years from now is what this team should strive for if they are starting over.

And I'm all for that. I just thought Marvin was playing for this year. Tab Perry would have just has much effect on the team had he been kept.

Feel free to bring this thread back someday when this kid is good (and probably playing for someone else), but it does this team no good THIS YEAR with so many pressing needs on D, especially the DLine.

BuckeyeRedleg
04-27-2008, 12:02 AM
If they are "uncertain" on CJ, then they should have traded him.

If CJ doesn't play this year, of course, this kid plays, but it doesn't mean he's worthy of a 2nd round pick, especially when he (or someone similar) is available later.

BuckeyeRedleg
04-27-2008, 12:05 AM
I also love the comparisons made between this kid and TJ.

How many years did it take for TJ (a 7th rounder) to establish himself, again?

Answer: Many.

BuckeyeRedleg
04-27-2008, 12:19 AM
Bengals listed by John Clayton as the #1 loser of day 1.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=3369696

Losers

1. Cincinnati Bengals: The Bengals did well under the circumstances, but they didn't get the defensive tackle (Sedrick Ellis) they coveted. Cincinnati tried all offseason to get a defensive tackle, but trades for Shaun Rogers and Dewayne Robertson fell through, and Ellis went to the New Orleans Saints when they traded up to No. 9. Cincinnati got a break when the Patriots traded down and didn't take linebacker Keith Rivers, who was a great choice for the Bengals. But they needed a defensive tackle.



Round 2 was a scramble for a wide receiver, and the Bengals ended up with Coastal Carolina's Jerome Simpson, who wasn't the biggest name available.

Mario-Rijo
04-27-2008, 12:34 AM
I'm not too upset over the Keith Rivers pick. The team has too many holes to fill and trading the picks to the Patriots just for Ellis would not have helped.

Taking Jerome Simpson though:


Bigger needs. Trevor Laws, Calais Campbell, and Quentin Groves were available and our defense needed this pick more than the wideout.

Better value at wideout. Malcolm Kelly, DeSean Jackson, and Limas Sweed were all available. I could possibly see not taking Jackson due to character issues or Sweed and Kelly due to injury, but sometimes its a good idea to take risks.

Could have been had later. Simpson was projected as a 3rd-4th round wideout.


I honestly hope I am proven wrong. However, the draft usually ends up being really good or really bad. I can honestly name three drafts that I thought the Bengals were turning the corner(Justin Smith and Chad Johnson, Carson Palmer, and the Pollack/Thurman/Henry drafts), but the rest just shows how inept the Bengals are.

The whole thing about the draft that isn't really talked about much is that we as fans don't always get the whole story unless we hunt for it. My guess is that the Bengals felt that this kid was the BPA all things they know being considered. And the more I find on all players ava. at the time I have to agree that this kid is better or has the potential to be better than any drafted around him. Sure we need defense and more specifically D-Line but if the guys available are not worthy of being picked here then why reach for a guy?

I mean take a look at the guys drafted behind Simpson that played the same position or D-Line and tell me he doesn't look like the best pick and by far.


47. Philadelphia Eagles
The pick: Trevor Laws, DT, Notre Dame
What he brings: Laws lacks prototypical size for an interior run-stuffer and doesn't have the burst to consistently get to the quarterback at the professional level. But he reminds us of the Energize bunny. He works from the snap until the whistle on every play. Also, he plays with excellent leverage and is strong for his size -- he's much stouter than you would think looking at his measurables.

How he fits: Defensive coordinator Jim Johnson loves to stockpile defensive tackles and Laws will be part of the rotation with LaJuan Ramsey and Montae Reagor. The surprising thing is that DTs Mike Patterson and Brodrick Bunkley had good years last year, which allowed DE Trent Cole to dominate outside. This was not a serious need for Philadelphia, but it works within the Eagles' philosophy.

Synopsis on Laws: A good fundamental and scrappy DT with solid strength. But isn't a pass rusher at all or a run stuffer perse more of just a solid rotational guy that won't hurt you much but isn't an impact player.


50. Arizona Cardinals
The pick: Calais Campbell, DE, Miami (Fla.)
What he brings: Campbell has great size for a defensive end and is a decent tackler, so he has the potential to develop into a run-stopper. He also has long arms to get his hands up and knock passes down when he doesn't get to the quarterback. That's important because we don't see him getting to the quarterback very often. Although he's an adequate bull-rusher, he doesn't have great lateral ability or closing speed.

How he fits: He is a true boom-or-bust player, but with the age and injury concerns of Bertrand Berry and Antonio Smith in the final year of his contract, Campbell will fit in nicely. He will be part of the rotation on the left side behind Smith because Travis LaBoy will bring pressure off the edge as a starting right defensive end. This pick gives the Cardinals valuable depth, but we see him as a better player versus the run.

Synopsis Campbell: Best case scenario, See Laws!


51. Washington Redskins
The pick: Malcolm Kelly, WR, Oklahoma
Strengths: Big, strong and smooth receiver prospect. Excellent combination of size and athleticism. Plays quicker than his measurables would lead you to believe. He is a very natural pass-catcher. Has big, strong hands -- strongest hands of any WR in this year's class (in our opinion). Does an excellent job of securing the ball in traffic. Uses massive frame to shield defenders from the ball. Wins more jump balls than most receivers. Is a serious weapon inside the red zone. Displays unusually smooth hips for a bigger receiver. Gets in and out of breaks with very little wastes motion. Displays very soft hands when plucking on the run. Is smooth and fluid after the catch. Also a very strong runner. Will drag defenders and bounce off initial hits. Maintains balance after initial contact and will gain a lot of tough yards at the end of runs. Will give an adequate effort as a stalk blocker. Not overly physical but he will get in position and wall-off defender. Has the size to smother most DB's at the point of attack.

Weaknesses: Lacks elite top-end speed. A bit of a long-strider that builds speed as he goes. Not overly explosive after the catch. He's smooth, but not very crisp when it comes to running routes. Rounds off too many of his breaks and still has room to improve with his overall footwork. Has had some trouble recently staying healthy. Missed time in each of the last two seasons due to injuries, including a torn meniscus in his knee during 2006-'07 Fiesta Bowl that required off-season surgery.

How he fits: Obviously the Redskins have taken advantage of the receivers falling on draft day. This team has lacked big and physical receivers who will open up the West Coast attack even more and the addition of Kelly will help them open up Antwaan Randle El and Santana Moss. This pick, along with WR Devin Thomas, helps bolster a questionable receiving corps.

Synopsis Kelly: Good Possession WR due to a lack of speed which has been compared to former USC and Detroit Lions WR Mike Williams (yes that slow). Also has had injury problems.


52. Jacksonville Jaguars
The pick: Quentin Groves, DE, Auburn
What he brings:Strengths: Exceptional straight-line speed as an up-the-field DE/OLB type. Explodes off the ball and can make plays in the backfield. Is fast enough to turn the corner versus top-shelf OT's and closes well. Drives legs when is able to get offensive linemen on heels and flashes the ability to collapse the pocket. Does an adequate job of getting hands up when isn't going to get to the quarterback and times jumps fairly well. Extends arms once locked on, shows adequate upper body strength and flashes the ability to shed blocks quickly. Takes sound angles to the ball and closes down cutback lanes. Shows above-average range and makes plays in pursuit when he wants to. Shows good body control in space, wraps up on contact and is a reliable open field tackler that flashes the ability to deliver the big hit.

Weaknesses: Undersized for an NFL defensive end and will need to make the move to OLB in the NFL. His motor runs hot and cold. Hasn't shown great lower body strength and can get driven back. Can be overaggressive and gets caught too far upfield at times. Isn't always balanced in stance and can give away line stunts. Flashes an effective spin move and has the lateral mobility to redirect inside after starting outside but relies on speed too much and hasn't developed a variety of pass rush moves at this point. Struggled with lingering toe injury as a senior. Scouts also have questions regarding his character  most specifically his home life, support system and true passion for the game.


Synopsis Groves: Questionable Character guy w/ injury concerns and not a good fit for a 4-3 as a DE. Many reasons for pause here.


53. Pittsburgh Steelers
The pick: Limas Sweed, WR, Texas
What he brings: Sweed is, at best, an average route-runner and can struggle when he gets slowed down at the line of scrimmage because he doesn't have great quickness. However, he has good size and is smooth changing directions. In addition, he has good speed and does a good job of tracking the ball downfield.

How he fits: He fulfills the need of a big, tall receiver, which QB Ben Roethlisberger so desperately wanted since WR Plaxico Burress went to New York. Offensive coordinator Bruce Arians loves to throw the football and Sweed gives them a receiver who can move around in the formation and create matchup problems with Santonio Holmes and Hines Ward.

Synopsis Sweed: Alot of the similiar pros and cons of Simpson with less upside.


54. Tennessee Titans
The pick: Jason Jones, DE, Eastern Michigan
What he brings: Jones is a classic 'tweener. He doesn't have great closing speed for a defensive end or the size to consistently hold up against the run and line up at defensive tackle. He has experience lining up at both spots, however. So he can line-up at end, at which he's big enough to hold his ground on run-heavy down and is athletic enough to rush the passer from the inside on obvious passing downs.

How he fits: Based on the losses of Antwan Odom and Travis LaBoy, the Titans had to address the DE position. He gives them a force against the run and will have to develop as a pass- rusher. He has some versatility to possibly play inside as a defensive tackle.

Synopsis Jones: I think the bolded part says it all.


All in all I think Simpson makes all WR's and D-Lineman taken after him to this point look bad.

Yachtzee
04-27-2008, 12:38 AM
Bengals listed by John Clayton as the #1 loser of day 1.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=3369696

Losers

1. Cincinnati Bengals: The Bengals did well under the circumstances, but they didn't get the defensive tackle (Sedrick Ellis) they coveted. Cincinnati tried all offseason to get a defensive tackle, but trades for Shaun Rogers and Dewayne Robertson fell through, and Ellis went to the New Orleans Saints when they traded up to No. 9. Cincinnati got a break when the Patriots traded down and didn't take linebacker Keith Rivers, who was a great choice for the Bengals. But they needed a defensive tackle.



Round 2 was a scramble for a wide receiver, and the Bengals ended up with Coastal Carolina's Jerome Simpson, who wasn't the biggest name available.

Missing out on Ellis because NO traded up is probably the bigger loss than using the 2nd rounder for a WR rather than best available DT. As much as everyone talks about the holes the Bengals have, I think they could have traded up to get Ellis and filled other holes through waiver wire pickups as teams make cap cuts later this summer. But a good DT is not found on the waiver wire and usually costs a fortune as FA. They had to make that trade and they didn't. The only way they'll get their DT now is that either Peko suddenly blossoms into a top DT or they get lucky on Day 2 and find a pick who develops into a top DT. They may pick one up tomorrow, but I suspect that guy will take at least 2-4 years to develop.

BuckeyeRedleg
04-27-2008, 12:39 AM
Missing out on Ellis because NO traded up is probably the bigger loss than using the 2nd rounder for a WR rather than best available DT. As much as everyone talks about the holes the Bengals have, I think they could have traded up to get Ellis and filled other holes through waiver wire pickups as teams make cap cuts later this summer. But a good DT is not found on the waiver wire and usually costs a fortune as FA. They had to make that trade and they didn't. The only way they'll get their DT now is that either Peko suddenly blossoms into a top DT or they get lucky on Day 2 and find a pick who develops into a top DT. They may pick one up tomorrow, but I suspect that guy will take at least 2-4 years to develop.

More of the same. The Bungals afraid to make a move.

Mario-Rijo
04-27-2008, 02:07 AM
Missing out on Ellis because NO traded up is probably the bigger loss than using the 2nd rounder for a WR rather than best available DT. As much as everyone talks about the holes the Bengals have, I think they could have traded up to get Ellis and filled other holes through waiver wire pickups as teams make cap cuts later this summer. But a good DT is not found on the waiver wire and usually costs a fortune as FA. They had to make that trade and they didn't. The only way they'll get their DT now is that either Peko suddenly blossoms into a top DT or they get lucky on Day 2 and find a pick who develops into a top DT. They may pick one up tomorrow, but I suspect that guy will take at least 2-4 years to develop.

Now that I have a hard time arguing with, good call. That said we do have quite a few holes to fill. Here's what I would do tommorrow assuming these guys are ava. when we make each of these picks.

3rd Rd - Red Bryant DT Texas A & M
3rd Rd - Tyvon Branch CB UCONN
4th Rd - Oniel Cousins OG UTEP
5th Rd - Tom Zbikowski S Notre Dame
6th Rd - Athyba Rubin DT Iowa State
6th Rd - Jermichael Finley TE Texas
7th Rd - Kendall Langford DE Hampton (I would Move him to DT)
7th Rd - Chad Simpson RB Morgan State (KR and solid RB depth)

WMR
04-27-2008, 02:33 AM
If the Bengals could get Wesley Woodyard with a 4-5th round pick, I'd be absolutely ecstatic.

HumnHilghtFreel
04-27-2008, 03:14 AM
Bengals fans... Keith Rivers- Happy to be a Bengal!

http://yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/Im_a_Cincinnati_Bengal/259606

Redhook
04-27-2008, 07:19 AM
How in the heck did the Bengals make a luxury pick? Who do the Bengals have to play WR besides TJ? The Bengals drafted at the two positions where they have the most need.

Over the last few years, the Bengals have drafted Perry, Irons, and now Sweed over defense. Their defense always stinks and they keep taking running backs and wide receivers too early. They desperately need a defensive tackle. More so than a WR. And last year they desperately needed a linebacker with the second pick. That's why they're luxury picks.

Yes, they need a WR, but they still have Chad to go with TJ. Who knows what will happen with Chad, but if they don't think he'll play then why not trade him already?


I don't understand the uproar over drafting a wide receiver here. And please, do not give me the they reached crap, either. No one on this board has watched this kid enough to make that kind of determination.

I actually like what I've read about this kid and I think he'll be a good player. The problem is the Bengals needed a defensive lineman more and he would've been available later in the draft. No one thought he'd go on day 1. No one. It's another reach by a poorly run cheap franchise.

Redhook
04-27-2008, 07:23 AM
Bengals listed by John Clayton as the #1 loser of day 1.

Losers

1. Cincinnati Bengals.

Pretty much says it all.

I'm p***ed off. I'm just tired of Mike Brown not spending money on the personnel so they keep drafting poorly. It's very frustrating when a simple fan like myself can clearly see there's a problem that's not being fixed.

guttle11
04-27-2008, 09:38 AM
I'm very happy with the first two picks. Who knows what they'll ultimately bring to the table. The draft is a crap shoot, and judging it this early is downright laughable. Calm down, folks.

Trading up two spots to get Ellis (if that was even available to the Bengals in any way) is not going to solve the Bengals problems. Rivers was the best LB available and the team desperately needs LBs. Very good pick.

Simpson is Chris Henry without the gun brandishing. Yet.

Once you get past the first round I'm not big on trying to fill needs above all else. Take the best guy available on your board.

BuckeyeRedleg
04-27-2008, 09:54 AM
I'm very happy with the first two picks. Who knows what they'll ultimately bring to the table. The draft is a crap shoot, and judging it this early is downright laughable. Calm down, folks.

So, if nobody really knows and it's a crapshoot, wouldn't it be laughable to be happy with the picks as well?

guttle11
04-27-2008, 09:56 AM
So, if nobody really knows and it's a crapshoot, wouldn't it be laughable to be happy with the picks as well?

I'm not predicting the future like some people are wont to do. Just saying I like the guys they drafted.

Yachtzee
04-27-2008, 10:01 AM
I'm very happy with the first two picks. Who knows what they'll ultimately bring to the table. The draft is a crap shoot, and judging it this early is downright laughable. Calm down, folks.

Trading up two spots to get Ellis (if that was even available to the Bengals in any way) is not going to solve the Bengals problems. Rivers was the best LB available and the team desperately needs LBs. Very good pick.

Simpson is Chris Henry without the gun brandishing. Yet.

Once you get past the first round I'm not big on trying to fill needs above all else. Take the best guy available on your board.

I agree that the Bengals need LBs, but again I think they could have traded up for Ellis and picked an LB in the second round. Maybe it's "Moneyball" and maybe Ellis turns out to be a bust, but I think you have to look at the economics of talent in making these decisions. You need help at DT, LB, and WR. Looking at the supply and demand at each position, DT is by far the toughest position to fill. I think that, unless Rivers is the next Ray Lewis or Brian Urlacher (young Urlacher), you have to go for that DT you want, even if it involves losing a few second day picks in the process. Second day picks are more of a crap shoot anyway. Talent at LB and WR can be had in later rounds and can be found on the waiver wire. You can even trade for it if needed. But as this offseason has shown, a good DT is hard to get and you are going to get into a bidding war for that talent.

I think they could have used their second and third picks (if any after trade) to fill needs at LB and WR. The key is that talent at those positions is more widely available. I think NO probably has that philosophy in that they traded up to get a DT even when they might have bigger needs elsewhere.

Yachtzee
04-27-2008, 10:06 AM
I'm not predicting the future like some people are wont to do. Just saying I like the guys they drafted.

I would agree with you in that. I think John Clayton's assessment that the Bengals are the big losers compared to other teams is silly because we won't know how everyone's drafts panned out until a few years from now. On the other hand, I think it's perfectly legitimate to say that, based on current conditions, the Bengals did not appear to get the guy they wanted and who filled the biggest need.

guttle11
04-27-2008, 10:07 AM
I agree that the Bengals need LBs, but again I think they could have traded up for Ellis and picked an LB in the second round. Maybe it's "Moneyball" and maybe Ellis turns out to be a bust, but I think you have to look at the economics of talent in making these decisions. You need help at DT, LB, and WR. Looking at the supply and demand at each position, DT is by far the toughest position to fill. I think that, unless Rivers is the next Ray Lewis or Brian Urlacher (young Urlacher), you have to go for that DT you want, even if it involves losing a few second day picks in the process. Second day picks are more of a crap shoot anyway. Talent at LB and WR can be had in later rounds and can be found on the waiver wire. You can even trade for it if needed. But as this offseason has shown, a good DT is hard to get and you are going to get into a bidding war for that talent.

I think they could have used their second and third picks (if any after trade) to fill needs at LB and WR. The key is that talent at those positions is more widely available. I think NO probably has that philosophy in that they traded up to get a DT even when they might have bigger needs elsewhere.

Most of your post is pretty good, but the sentences in bold made me chuckle. This is the Bengals. One thing they do worse than the draft is pick guys up, at any position, through FA and the waiver wire. I'm not big on the "they could have had him later" line of thinking. You don't know that. If they have him high and there's no clear cut choice to pick at the spot, get the guy. I'd rather get guys you really want then guys you may not be so high on because you're thin at his position.

They still have 2 thirds and a fourth. Lets see what they do there before we make irrational rushes to judgment. And then let's see these guys on a field before we really judge. That's all I'm saying.

Reds Fanatic
04-27-2008, 10:40 AM
Bengals 3rd round pick. Pick #77:

Pat Sims DT Auburn

Reds Fanatic
04-27-2008, 10:43 AM
I like this pick for the Bengals.

This is a scouting report on Sims:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/pat-sims?id=786


Analysis
Positives: Has a thick frame with good overall muscle development, thick, powerful-looking thighs, long arms and room on his frame to carry another 15-20 pounds of bulk...Strong player who can disrupt an offense, especially with his agility in lateral pursuit...Has the power and explosion off the snap to create movement and push offensive linemen into the backfield...His low center of gravity allows him to fire off the snap and squeeze through gaps to pressure the pocket consistently...Strong wrap-up tackler who might give up his body at times, but he has the strength to recover and power through reach blocks...Can close in the box and has that sudden burst to give long chase when running down ballcarriers...Hard-nose type who played most of the year with broken bones in his left hand, requiring him to wear a club-like cast, but he compensated by using that club as a weapon while making physical drag-down type of tackles...Has a good edge to him on the field...Hustles in pursuit and has rededicated himself to the game, showed marked improvement in his work ethic and approach to preparing for games in 2007...Can track the ball well on the move and has good blocking-scheme recognition...Shows a quick initial burst off the snap, with the sudden moves to gain advantage...Plays with impressive aggression flashing into the backfield and when he uses his hands properly, he is capable of getting a good push off blockers (uses that raw power to toss blockers aside)...Stout at the point of attack (when he sinks his weight) and has good upfield penetration moves, as he has learned how to stay low coming out of his charge, making him much more effective shooting the gaps...Can easily stack and anchor when holding ground at the point of attack or in attempts to split double teams (has the leg drive and lower-body strength to disengage from blockers)...Shows good functional power in his arms and hands to create separation, shed and maintain balance through the pile, as he works hard to get underneath the pads of an offensive lineman...Generates good pop on contact, even when on the move and shows good effort in his lateral pursuit, exploding behind his hits with arms extended to wrap and secure...His hand punch is one of his best assets, using it as a weapon to push the blocker back and collapse the pocket...Has enough acceleration and surge to close on the quarterback in a flash, as he is nimble moving his feet when coming from the backside or working an offensive guard's edge...Best on the bull rush, but he has the flexibility to get upfield or stack with good effect...Could not be as active as he wanted with his hands due to the cast he wore most of the year, but he was still able to leverage and gain position.



Negatives: Shows softness in his midsection, but has big hips and thighs and calf definition...Very effective when he stays low in his pads, but when he gets too upright (especially after his initial move fails), he will give up a lot of body surface (gets his hands outside his frame), resulting in losing leverage on the play...Has had academic issues throughout his career (barely qualified in 2004) and might not be capable of digesting a complicated playbook...When he gets his pads too high, he can be knocked off balance by a hand jolt, as he keeps his feet too close together...Gets into a rhythm where he tries to overpower his man on each play, making him late to get off the block and make the play (needs better avoidance skills on the move)...Has good functional strength, but his frame lacks compact muscle definition in his midsection...Possibly due to the cast he had to wear on his broken left hand, he flashes a powerful hand punch, but he needs to show more consistency getting his hands into the blocker's chest...Needs to improve his overall stamina, as he will wear down late in games...Some question his football desire, as he quit the team for a time back in 2005, but there were extenuating circumstances that might better explain his decision to leave (his sister died suddenly from a heart attack the previous season).



Compares To: KEVIN WILLIAMS-Minnesota...Sims is one of the better gap-shooters you will find. He showed his toughness playing all year with a cast to protect the broken bones in his left hand in 2007, but he also learned how to use it as a weapon. Like Williams, Sims has very good explosion off the snap to impact the pocket. He is still lacking experience and will need time to develop, but as he matured, you could see that he developed a good desire to play the game at a high level. Pessimists need only examine the case of the Titans showing extreme patience with Albert Haynesworth. Some team could luck out with Sims using the same approach.


Injury Report
2007: Suffered broken fingers on his left hand vs. South Florida (9/08) and was fitted with a hard, club-like black cast to protect his hand from further injury, as he played most of the season wearing it.

BuckeyeRedleg
04-27-2008, 10:45 AM
Good pick.

DoogMinAmo
04-27-2008, 10:50 AM
And there is the DT everyone clamored for. Bengals pick again in 17, I would expect a tightend or DB.

KoryMac5
04-27-2008, 11:38 AM
I think Marvin and crew go RB here.

Playadlc
04-27-2008, 11:44 AM
Great pick in Caldwell.

KoryMac5
04-27-2008, 11:45 AM
Great pick in Caldwell.

It does make the Simpson pick a bit more of a head scratcher though.

BuckeyeRedleg
04-27-2008, 11:46 AM
Great value pick and I agree the 2nd round pick is even more perplexing.

Playadlc
04-27-2008, 11:47 AM
It does make the Simpson pick a bit more of a head scratcher though.

I don't really think so. It makes me think that Marvin believes Chad will not be on the field for the Bengals next year, and wide receiver is a glaring hole right now.

Hoosier Red
04-27-2008, 11:48 AM
when do they pick next?

PickOff
04-27-2008, 11:49 AM
Pat Sims, Bengals get a 2nd rounder there. Only the fifth DT taken. Good Pick.

Andre Caldwell. Couldn't let him pass by I guess, a burner who will return kickoffs I would imagine. Was ranked no less than the 50th best player. A clear "best player availble pick". This guy looks very vertsitile, and a good pick for the 3rd round.

Tony Cloninger
04-27-2008, 12:07 PM
Would still have liked Sweed in the 2nd...and then picked up one of the 2 CB's that went in the 4th round.

Reds Fanatic
04-27-2008, 12:30 PM
Bengals 4th round pick:

Anthony Collins OT Kansas

Reds Fanatic
04-27-2008, 12:31 PM
A scouting report on Collins:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/anthony-collins?id=1258


Anthony Collins (OT)
Height: 6'5"
Weight: 317
College: Kansas
Conference: Big 12
Hometown: Beaumont, TX
High School: Central Senior
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Analysis
Positives: Has a big frame with the potential to add more bulk with no loss of quickness...Possesses broad shoulders, good arm length and adequate overall strength with above-average initial quickness for his position...Has a wide waist and hips with good lower-body thickness...Shows good balance and arm rise and extension coming out of his stance to quickly hook the defender on drive blocks...Has adequate change-of-direction agility, but does a good job of dropping his weight and keeping his pads low in order to bend at the knees better (this allows him to create, hold lanes and anchor with good consistency)...Good competitor who hustles back to protect the pocket and while he does not put away defenders with tremendous force (gets stalemated when he gets too tall in his stance), he works hard to finish...Has good preparation skills and is a solid worker in the training room...Capable of handling the mental aspect of the game and showed marked improvement the second half of 2007 in attempts to chip to the second level...Has the strength to sit down and anchor...Is not a mauler, but he is effective at creating and holding a wide crease for the ground game...Shows good hand punch on the rise, gaining movement off the line while staying low in his stance...When he maintains his wide-leg base to sustain blocks and keep his feet moving, he can properly wall off and seal when pulling for the ground game...Will generally come off his blocks with good hand placement (does short arm)...When he plays the game flat-footed, he has enough short-area quickness needed to get to the second level...Better blocking in-line than sliding in pass protection (gets a little lead-footed in his retreat), but when he uses proper knee bend in pass protection, he is more effective in attempts to mirror the defender...Has good pop on contact with his hands and can surprise a defender with a heavy punch...Uses his size well to wall off and is showing better confidence in his feet when trying to gain position...When he keeps his feet underneath him, he is effective setting up to protect the edge...Shows good arm extension to make reach blocks, but will sometimes lunge and overextend...More of a position blocker, but can get good movement on drive blocks...Does not have the brute strength to overpower, but plays with good balance and control to cut off and readjust to in-line moves...Flashes better aggression blocking in-line and delivers a hand punch into the defender's chest consistently...Has the big, flexible hands to lock on, steer and control...Keeps a good base and even when he overextends, he can recover...Does a good job of keeping his feet moving after initial contact...Will sometimes drop his hands to reload, but with his long arms, he is quick to recover...Shows better punch than catch in pass protection and while he looks a bit sluggish redirecting, he has good balance and anchor when he keeps his weight forward and plays flat-footed.



Negatives: Has good straight-line quickness out of his stance, but needs to refine his footwork, as he is too inconsistent with his kick slide to get back and mirror edge rushers (has a tendency to get up on his toes in pass protection, as the more physical defenders capitalize on this to rock him back on his heels)...Might be a better fit at right tackle or inside at guard, as he lacks the hip snap and lateral movement to get out in front and impact block for perimeter runs...Has a decent hand punch, but will sometimes revert to "short arming" and needs to be consistent with his arm extension and hand placement in attempts to sustain and finish his blocks...Because of his adequate lateral agility, he has problems when defenders cross his face...Though he can make downfield blocks, his lumbering running style makes him best at the point of attack, widening the rush lane rather than on pulls and traps...Loses some steam late in games and will revert to bending at the waist, causing him to narrow his base and struggle to maintain contact with defenders...Needs to improve his angles on the move, as he does not always locate his target when working in space...Slow at times to generate pop coming out of his stance, as he does not always get his weight out in front of him...Susceptible to spin moves and counters when he is slow to set his feet...When he gets too high in his stance, he can be rocked back on his heels when trying to prevent the bull rush, but does regain his anchor...Has had relative success facing smaller defenders, but in his last 23 games, his opponents have had a serious weight disadvantage vs. him (his main blocking assignment averaged less that 258 pounds and he faced only three defensive ends that weighed over 280 during that span)...Had his two worst performances in 2007 after being named an All-American, but he was also battling an ankle injury...Was suspended briefly for disciplinary issues early in the season.



Compares To: JOE STALEY-San Francisco...Collins has good straight-line speed and is an efficient drive blocker, but does need technique work as a pass blocker. He is alert to twists and games and shows good urgency widening the rush lane. His timed speed fails to translate when asked to get into the second level, as his base narrows and he takes poor angles stalking linebackers. Even though he had good success on the left side, he is not ready to be exposed on an island at the next level and will be better on the right side with help from a guard and tight end. While he will be an early pick due to his athletic ability, he is not ready for primetime and would have benefited from another year of college ball, considering he has started just two seasons on the offensive line and has a total of just four seasons of organized football under his belt.


Injury Report
2007: Suffered a right ankle sprain vs. Oklahoma State (11/10), missing the next game vs. Iowa State (11/17)...Returned vs. Missouri (11/24), but re-injured his ankle.

BuckeyeRedleg
04-27-2008, 12:32 PM
Anthony Collins, OT, Kansas.

Absolutely phenomenal day two picks so far.

WOW. As irritated as I was yesterday, I am very excited with these last three picks.

WMR
04-27-2008, 12:34 PM
Sounds like Collins has an extremely high ceiling.

Woodyard and Steltz ; C'mon Mikey

Degenerate39
04-27-2008, 12:34 PM
How would everyone rate the Bengals draft thus far?

TC81190
04-27-2008, 12:42 PM
How would everyone rate the Bengals draft thus far?
If you're asking me point-blank, I'd say about a B. Passing on Sweed, Laws, Manningham etc. for Simpson was questionable, but otherwise we've drafted about as well as we could.

PickOff
04-27-2008, 01:08 PM
I'd give it a B+. Losing out on Ellis hurts, but the second day has been exceedingly strong.

Tony Cloninger
04-27-2008, 01:13 PM
The Doug Plank clone from LSU was just picked.

I remember when Greg Myles was picked...they compared him to Tommy Casanova.

I guess whoever the team is they compare that player to a previous player from that team.

When i look at the WR in the 2nd round...I think Verser/Brooks.

guttle11
04-27-2008, 01:16 PM
It's obvious to me that they're getting guys high on their board that also help with need positions. That's want you want out of a draft.

I really like Caldwell's potential to be a kick returner/4th WR. Collins should learn a lot from Willie and 2-3 years down the line that could pay dividends.

I'm not going to do grades at this time, but I feel pretty good about the potential of the guys they're taking.

Mario-Rijo
04-27-2008, 01:20 PM
How would everyone rate the Bengals draft thus far?

I would give it an B+

Rivers - More like Brian Simmons than Takeo Spikes talent-wise which is solid but not spectacular. But with what was ava. it was likely the best possible scenario w/o moving out of the spot.

Simpson - The more I read and see the more I like him. I feel he's the best (by that I mean biggest eventual impact) pick so far. Sure his speed is 4.45 which isn't Chris Henry type speed (although Chris Henry at 1 time was clocked at 4.60 in the 40). But other than the speed factor, height and quickness (which I don't yet know about the latter) this kid is superior to Henry in every other way. Is likely a very good #2 but could be a pretty good #1 WR with work and he's a very hard worker.

Sims - Has some upside IF he puts the work in, I wonder if he will. But if he does he is as good as anyone left except maybe Harrison from Arkansas state but Harrison has some serious on and off the field issues.

Caldwell - Very good straight line speed (4.37) and soft hands and has a good feel for reading coverage. However isn't very quick or Physical. He could eventually be a decent #2 but he's more likely a very good #3 WR.

Collins - Has the tools to be a solid RT but apparently already thinks he is an All-Pro LT (the kid is confident, or more likely delusional). But should be a solid member of a line as a back up on the right side and with work be a decent starter either at RT or RG. Will he put in the work? That's always the question.

I think all of these guys to this point make the team and are solid contributors at worst. But I only see Simpson as someone who can be a monster. Rivers I see being very good but just not great. That's why the B+!

WMR
04-27-2008, 01:36 PM
Jacob Tamme and Keenan Burton go in back to back picks to Indy and St. Louis respectively.

CTA513
04-27-2008, 02:09 PM
The Bengals forget about not drafting players with character problems and draft DT Jason Shirley.



Overview

When Jason Shirley is on the field, he has the ability to dominate. But it was his off-field activity that defined his 2007 season.

Shirley was suspended twice before finally being dismissed from the squad in November. Through all the turmoil, he was eyed by NFL teams, as he has the ability to clog the middle and handle multiple blockers, much like Pat Williams and Ted Washington have done in the league for more than a decade.

Shirley's 2007 season wouldn't begin before he was handed a two-game suspension by head coach Pat Hill for conduct detrimental to the team in late August. He was again suspended from the team after and Oct. 8 arrested on suspicion of driving under the influence and hit-and-run. Police say his BAC levels were 0.11 and 0.12; officers performed two separate tests for accuracy.

After five weeks away from the team, Shirley was reinstated November 15. Two days later, he was dismissed from the school after he was cited for suspicion of driving with a suspended license and expired registration, but was allowed to retain his athletic scholarship.

Shirley was a second-team All-League selection, adding San Bernardino Sun All-County honors as a senior at Kaiser High School. He was named the league player of the week four times that year, helping the squad to a 13-0-1 overall record and a Cal Hi Sports Division III championship. The team was also named Sunkist League champions and CIF Southern Section Division VII.

Shirley also competed on the track and field squad, participating in the discus and shot put events. Prior to attending Kaiser High, he spent his first three seasons at A.B. Miller High School.

In 2003, Shirley enrolled at Fresno State, turning down scholarship offers from Oregon and Arizona. He spent the season competing on the Bulldogs scout team, adding more than 20 pounds of bulk to his frame. In 2004, he appeared in 11 games at nose guard, playing behind Donyell Booker. He totaled 16 tackles (six solo) with a sack, 2.5 stops for losses and a pass deflection.

A high ankle sprain limited Shirley to nine games and forced him to sit out four contests while starting the team's first five clashes at nose guard. He posted 14 tackles (five solo), assisted on a sack and delivered four stops behind the line of scrimmage.

Twenty more pounds of bulk on his 330-pound frame did not seem to slow down Shirley in 2006. He started seven of twelve games, registering 20 tackles (seven solo), two sacks and 4.5 stops for losses. He recovered a fumble and blocked three kicks, including two field goals vs. Hawaii. He left the Nevada clash in the fourth quarter after suffering neck cramps after blocking an extra point attempt.

Shirley's suspensions and eventual dismissal saw him play as a reserve in only the Oregon, Louisiana Tech and Nevada games in 2007. He finished with seven tackles, including three solo hits, as he posted 1.5 sacks with three stops for losses. He also caused one fumble.

BuckeyeRedleg
04-27-2008, 02:13 PM
Not a fan of the Shirley pick. 7th round to undrafted reach with questionable character.

Mario-Rijo
04-27-2008, 02:29 PM
Not a fan of the Shirley pick. 7th round to undrafted reach with questionable character.

No questioning his talent, Ted Washington wow, but we've been down this road before. This kid looks like he not only could be a problem but likely will be a problem. Seems very immature, even moreso than Thurman and Henry at the time they were drafted.

CTA513
04-27-2008, 02:44 PM
The Steelers drafted QB Dennis Dixon in the 5th round.

WMR
04-27-2008, 02:44 PM
Uh oh, prepare to be terrorized by Dennis Dixon via trick plays for the foreseeable future, Bengals fans.

WMR
04-27-2008, 03:18 PM
Tony Reali proves that he's just as annoying OUTSIDE of his stupid television show as he is ON it.

Smarmy little punk.

CTA513
04-27-2008, 03:43 PM
Bengals 6th round pick is saftey Corey Lynch from Appalachian State

WMR
04-27-2008, 03:44 PM
Kiper was pretty high on the kid. Said he could have gone in the 3rd-4th round.

BuckU
04-27-2008, 04:07 PM
Mike Hart at 207?

NorrisHopper30
04-27-2008, 04:09 PM
I like the Shirley pick, worth the risk in the 5th round - huge upside.

Reds Fanatic
04-27-2008, 04:17 PM
Here is a scouting report on Corey Lynch the Bengals6th round pick:


Analysis
Positives: Has a developing frame with good upper-body thickness, large, natural hands and room to carry at least another 10 pounds of bulk for a potential move to strong safety at the next level...Has a tight midsection with adequate thickness in his thighs and calves...Compensates for some hip stiffness with a short stride to help him open his hips quicker in transition...Has excellent field vision, getting a good jump on plays in front of him and is smart enough not to bite on play action or misdirection...Alert player who quickly reads and diagnoses the plays...Stays in control in his backpedal, operating at the proper pad level...Shows urgency in pursuit, generating a strong forward burst, as he can turn and accelerate without having to gather or take wasted steps... Reacts to plays in front of him with no hesitation, quickly defending vs. the curls and out patterns...Does well in the classroom and in taking plays from the chalkboard to the playing field and will not have problems digesting a complicated playbook...Emotional team leader who takes well to hard coaching...Has no known off-field issues and is mature beyond his age...Has the field awareness to easily break down plays and locate the ball, doing a very good job of staying low in his pads and taking proper angles to close on and make the play...His field vision when playing in the shallow zone allows him to fill rush lanes in an instant while breaking sharply on the ball in underneath passing situations... Can mirror tight ends on underneath routes and shows good anticipation skills and awareness dropping back in the zone...Has a nose for the ball and natural hands to make the interception...Quick to support and will not shy away from contact filling rush lanes...Will jump and extend for the ball in traffic, displaying the timing needed to disrupt the pass...Smart athlete who can call defensive signals, making the adjustments for the defensive unit...Has the functional foot quickness to turn and burst out of his backpedal early...Aggressive tackler who times hits well and will sacrifice his body to go vertical to get to the ball...Loves to mix it up in the trenches and will play with injuries that would sideline some athletes...Has soft, large and natural hands for the interception, properly extending his arms to catch away from the framework of the body (see 2007 Furman and Western Carolina games)...Good wrap-up tackler when he keeps his pad level down (will get a bit reckless when he gets his hands outside his framework)...Has the knack for timing the pass, consistently getting his hands up in the receiver's face and shows great zone awareness vs. combo routes...With his ability to take proper angles to the ball, he also shows the hand usage needed to slip blocks in the open...Uses his hands aggressively to shed and has adequate power to challenge the receivers to get into their routes coming off the line (prevented receivers from getting into their route progression 26 times in 2007; see Michigan, Tennessee-Chattanooga and Eastern Washington games)...Determined tackler in run support, using his hands well to fight off low blocks...Best when making plays in the box, as he is a very good at keeping the action in front of him.

Negatives: Has decent strength, but will need to bulk up and improve his overall power base to compete at the next level...Possesses shorter-than-ideal arm length (28 7/8-inches), but compensates with soft, natural hands, good leaping ability and above-average timing to compete for the ball at its highest point...Lacks blazing quickness, which could result in him moving to strong safety at the next level...Bit stiff in his hips when he attempts to transition, but shows good ability to plant-and-drive, coming out of his breaks cleanly...Best when making plays in front of him, as he lacks the second gear to recover when trying to stay with the speedy receivers on deep routes...Made marked improvement with his tackle technique as a senior, but earlier in his career, he would tend to duck his head before making contact, causing him to either overextend or see the ballcarrier slip off his tackles...Will get a little reckless attempting to make plays in space and is better served working in close quarters...Does not have the timed speed to stay on top of the routes through the deep secondary...Hard worker in the training room, but needs to maintain that program year-round, as he will get out of shape during the offseason.

Compares To: JOHN LYNCH-Denver...It is a coincidence they both share a last name, but there are many similarities in their game. The collegiate Lynch needs to improve his overall strength to generate punishing tackles John Lynch displays, but he made marked improvement as a senior. With a good offseason weight-training program, he could be ready to contribute in nickel and dime packages in his first pro season. Lynch shows the same ball-anticipation skills and field awareness as the elder Lynch and does not have that blazing speed you look for to mirror receivers in the deep secondary, but with his ability to locate the ball and makes plays inside the box, he might earn a starting job quicker as a strong safety at the next level.

Injury Report
2004: Missed the final nine games after he suffered a left elbow fracture returning a punt in the final minute vs. Eastern Kentucky (9/11). Underwent surgery two weeks after the injury and had two screws inserted.

2006: Suffered a right arm (ulna) fracture vs. The Citadel (11/04), sitting out the next two games vs. Western Carolina (11/11) and Coastal Carolina (11/25).

WMR
04-27-2008, 04:32 PM
The Giants continue to stockpile Kentucky QBs... Andre' Woodson joins Jared Lorenzen.

joshnky
04-27-2008, 04:38 PM
The Giants continue to stockpile Kentucky QBs... Andre' Woodson joins Jared Lorenzen.

What happened to Woodson? There were talks during the season that he would be one of the top 3 QBs chosen. Now he goes in the 6th round to carry a clipboard for the foreseeable future.

CTA513
04-27-2008, 04:41 PM
Mike Hart at 207?

The Colts picked him at 202.

WMR
04-27-2008, 04:45 PM
What happened to Woodson? There were talks during the season that he would be one of the top 3 QBs chosen. Now he goes in the 6th round to carry a clipboard for the foreseeable future.

He had a horrible Senior bowl week.

Lots of teams are down on the hitch in his throwing motion.

He wasn't nearly as good for Kentucky late as he was in the early to mid parts of the season.

I think teams realized that he is a much bigger project than initially thought.

joshnky
04-27-2008, 04:48 PM
Bengals on the clock. Chauncey Washington anyone?

WMR
04-27-2008, 04:49 PM
Matt Sherry - TE Villanova