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jesusfan
04-29-2008, 05:23 PM
Since everyone is talking about letting both Griffey and Dunner walk after this season, let's discuss what free agents Jocketty will be looking at.... I know it's a long way off, but it's never to early to dream about what we can do with 30-40 million big ones... I would have 4 definite moves- Starting pitcher, 2 outfielders, and back-up pieces... One thing I am curious about is who we put in the outfield with Bruce... I know there are trades and things of that nature, but here is the early list of free agents... who do we get? I'd like C.C Sabathia to team with Harang, Cueto, Volquez, and Bailey... Probably take about 3 years at 40-45 million, but he would give us that steady lefty starter! Next, I would take a chance with Rocco Baldelli if medical issues are over and Raul Ibanez for a 1 year deal until Stubbs is ready...Bruce, Baldelli, and Ibanez would give us great defense and a higher average team, focused on speed and contact. what you say?

My 09 Reds!
1. Baldelli- CF
2. Votto- 1st
3. Phillips- 2nd
4. Bruce- RF
5. Encarnacion- 3rd
6. Ibanez- LF
7. Keppinger- SS
8. Ross/whoever?- C
9. Pitcher- Harang, Sabathia, Cueto, Volquez, Bailey

Catchers
Rod Barajas (33)
Michael Barrett (32)
Johnny Estrada (33)
Jason Kendall (35) - club option for '09; vests with 110 games played in '08
Paul Lo Duca (37)
Miguel Olivo (30) - $2.7MM club option for '09 with a $0.1MM buyout
Ivan Rodriguez (37)
David Ross (32)
Jason Varitek (37)
Gregg Zaun (38) - $3.75MM vesting option for '09; vests with 160 games played in '08

First basemen
Ben Broussard (32)
Sean Casey (34)
Tony Clark (37)
Carlos Delgado (37) - $16MM mutual option for '09 with a $4MM buyout
Nomar Garciaparra (35)
Jason Giambi (38) - $22MM club option for '09 with a $5MM buyout
Scott Hatteberg (39)
Eric Hinske (31)
Doug Mientkiewicz (35)
Kevin Millar (37)
Richie Sexson (34)
Mark Teixeira (29)

Second basemen
Ray Durham (37)
Mark Ellis (32)
Marcus Giles (31)
Mark Grudzielanek (39)
Orlando Hudson (31)
Tadahito Iguchi (34)
Jeff Kent (41)
Felipe Lopez (29)
Mark Loretta (37)
Aaron Miles (32)
Jose Valentin (39)

Shortstops
Orlando Cabrera (34)
David Eckstein (34)
Adam Everett (32)
Rafael Furcal (31)
Cristian Guzman (31)
Cesar Izturis (29)
Felipe Lopez (29)
Edgar Renteria (33) - $11MM club option for '09 with a $3MM buyout
Juan Uribe (30)
Omar Vizquel (42) - $5.2MM club option for '09 with a $0.3MM buyout

Third basemen
Casey Blake (35)
Hank Blalock (28) - $6.2MM club option for '09 with a $0.25MM buyout
Joe Crede (31)
Morgan Ensberg (33)
Nomar Garciaparra (35)
Wes Helms (33) - $3.75MM club option for '09
Chipper Jones (37) - $8-11MM vesting option for '09
Dallas McPherson (27)

Left fielders
Moises Alou (42)
Garret Anderson (37) - $14MM club option for '09 with a $3MM buyout
Milton Bradley (31)
Emil Brown (34)
Pat Burrell (32)
Adam Dunn (29)
Cliff Floyd (36) - $2.75MM club option for '09 with a $0.25MM buyout
Luis Gonzalez (41)
Raul Ibanez (37)
Jacque Jones (34)
Kevin Mench (31)
Jason Michaels (33) - $2.6MM club option for '09
Craig Monroe (32)
Jay Payton (36)
Wily Mo Pena (27) - $5MM club option or $2MM player option for '09
Manny Ramirez (37) - $20MM club option for '09
Juan Rivera (30)

Center fielders
Rocco Baldelli (27)
Mike Cameron (36) - $10MM club option for '09 with a $750K buyout
Jim Edmonds (39)
Jacque Jones (34)
Mark Kotsay (33)
Corey Patterson (29)

Right fielders
Bobby Abreu (35)
Casey Blake (35)
Milton Bradley (31)
Cliff Floyd (36) - $2.75MM club option for '09 with a $0.25MM buyout
Brian Giles (38) - $9MM club option for '09 with a $3MM buyout
Ken Griffey Jr. (39) - $16.5MM club option for '09 with a $4MM buyout
Vladimir Guerrero (33) - $15MM club option for '09 with a $3MM buyout
Jacque Jones (34)
Bobby Kielty (32)
Brad Wilkerson (32)

DHs
Milton Bradley (31)
Pat Burrell (32)
Adam Dunn (29)
Cliff Floyd (36) - $2.75MM club option for '09 with a $0.25MM buyout
Jason Giambi (38) - $22MM club option for '09 with $5MM buyout
Vladimir Guerrero (33) - $15MM club option for '09 with a $3MM buyout
Raul Ibanez (37)
Manny Ramirez (37) - $20MM club option for '09
Juan Rivera (30)
Mike Sweeney (35)
Frank Thomas (41) - $10MM option for '09; vests with 376 PAs in '08
Jim Thome (38) - $13MM club option for '09 with $3MM buyout
Jose Vidro (34) - vesting option for '09

Starting pitchers
Jeremy Affeldt (30)
Tony Armas Jr. (31)
Kris Benson (33)
A.J. Burnett (32) - can opt out after '08 season
Paul Byrd (38)
Roger Clemens (46)
Matt Clement (33) - $8.75MM club option for '09 with a $0.25MM buyout
Ryan Dempster (32)
Chad Durbin (31)
Josh Fogg (32)
Jon Garland (29)
Tom Glavine (43)
Mike Hampton (36)
Mark Hendrickson (35)
Livan Hernandez (34)
Orlando Hernandez (43)
Jason Jennings (30)
Randy Johnson (45)
John Lackey (30) - $9MM club option for '09 with a $0.5MM buyout
Jon Lieber (39)
Esteban Loaiza (37) - $7.5MM club option for '09 with a $0.375MM buyout
Braden Looper (34)
Derek Lowe (36)
Greg Maddux (43)
Pedro Martinez (37)
Matt Morris (34) - $9MM club option for '09 with a $1MM buyout
Jamie Moyer (46)
Mark Mulder (31) - $11MM club option for '09 with a $1.5MM buyout
Mike Mussina (40)
Carl Pavano (33) - $13MM club option for '09 with a $1.95MM buyout
Brad Penny (31) - $8.75MM club option for '09 with a $2MM buyout
Odalis Perez (32)
Oliver Perez (27)
Andy Pettitte (37)
Mark Prior (27)
Kenny Rogers (44)
C.C. Sabathia (28)
Curt Schilling (42)
Ben Sheets (30)
John Smoltz (42) - $12MM club option for '09
Brett Tomko (36)
Josh Towers (32)
Steve Trachsel (38)
Tim Wakefield (42) - perpetual $4MM club option
Kip Wells (32)
Woody Williams (42)
Randy Wolf (32)

Closers
Joe Borowski (38)
Ryan Dempster (32)
Brian Fuentes (33)
Eric Gagne (33)
Trevor Hoffman (41)
Jason Isringhausen (36)
Todd Jones (41)
Brad Lidge (32)
Brandon Lyon (29)
Al Reyes (38)
Francisco Rodriguez (27)

Middle relievers
Jeremy Affeldt (30)
Doug Brocail (42) - club option for '09
Shawn Chacon (31)
Juan Cruz (28)
Alan Embree (39) - $3MM club option for '09
Scott Eyre (37)
Kyle Farnsworth (33)
Keith Foulke (35)
Aaron Fultz (35)
Tom Gordon (41) - $4.5MM club option for '09 with a $1MM buyout
Eddie Guardado (38)
LaTroy Hawkins (36)
Matt Herges (39) - club option for '09
Bob Howry (35)
Steve Kline (36)
Damaso Marte (34) - $6MM club option for '09 with a $0.25MM buyout
Trever Miller (36) - $2MM club option for '09 with a $0.4MM buyout
Guillermo Mota (35)
Will Ohman (31)
Darren Oliver (38)
Dennys Reyes (32)
Juan Rincon (30)
Russ Springer (40)
Mike Stanton (42)
Mike Timlin (43)
Salomon Torres (37) - $3.75MM club option for '09 with a $0.3MM buyout
David Weathers (39)
Dan Wheeler (31)
Matt Wise (33)
Kerry Wood (32)

flyer85
04-29-2008, 05:25 PM
middling free agents is the most overvalued segment of the market. Jocketty showed a propensity to stay out of the upper and middle free agent markets for the most part(Izzy, JuanE) while finding some good value in the bottom end(carpenter, suppan, Eckstein ).

looking at the list you can see why a quality player gets a boatload a money thrown their way.

fearofpopvol1
04-29-2008, 06:28 PM
The funny thing is, and it is still early in the season, but Affeldt has put up better numbers than the majority of the relievers listed on that list.

AtomicDumpling
04-29-2008, 07:23 PM
That is a very depressing list of free agents.

That shows me just how important it will be for the Reds to keep Adam Dunn. The Reds will not be able to replace his production by bringing in a free agent.

Teixeira is the cream of the free agent crop, but I highly doubt Atlanta will allow him to hit the market. He will be signed to a long term contract very soon. In fact, most of the names on that list will not actually reach the market.

The one position with lots of good options on that FA list is Closer, which the Reds don't need.

I am sure Dunn is hoping the Reds let him walk. He would be the best available player on the market and would be looking at a huge contract if given the chance to sell his services to the highest bidder.

StillFunkyB
04-29-2008, 09:55 PM
There is no way I throw guaranteed money at CC Sabathia. The guy is going to be on the DL more than on the mound. I wish him the best, but his body size doesn't bode well for his health (as far as playing a professional sport is concerned).

Might as well just say the same thing about Baldelli. Has he ever been healthy?

Brad Penny I might be willing to go after, but he would probably demand way to much scratch.

*BaseClogger*
04-29-2008, 10:36 PM
Derek Lowe! :)

TOBTTReds
04-29-2008, 11:07 PM
Isn't Baldelli possibly going to retire? He has a syndrome that causes his muscles to fatigue after a very short workout. Whereas 10 minutes of running feels like 2 hours. He can barely get up some days.

jojo
04-29-2008, 11:14 PM
Just say no to FA!

corkedbat
04-30-2008, 12:31 AM
If they let Dunn & Griffey walk and the Baves can't sign Teixeira, I'd make a run at him, even if it is futile. I've always liked Furcal @ SS

RedEye
04-30-2008, 01:39 AM
Not many names on the list that are worth exploring for the Reds. Juan Rivera might be a useful outfielder to bridge the gap till Stubbs or someone else arrives. Derek Lowe and Randy Wolf could both be stablizing veteran pitchers for the young rotation, but I wouldn't pay too much for 'em. Oh yeah... and that Adam Dunn guy is pretty good. Think the Reds could sign him?

membengal
04-30-2008, 10:19 AM
Rocco Baldelli is broken and done.

Ibanez is old.

So, no, I don't see them in Cincy next season.

The only OF on that list that I give a second look to is m a y b e Milton Bradley. And that would make me itchy.

pahster
04-30-2008, 10:31 AM
The only OF on that list that I give a second look to is m a y b e Milton Bradley. And that would make me itchy.

Bradley can't stay healthy.

membengal
04-30-2008, 10:34 AM
That's the part that makes me itchy.

Plus, he's borderline crazy. That doesn't help.

BuckeyeRedleg
04-30-2008, 10:42 AM
Assuming Dunn and Griffey walk.


1. Re-sign Corey Patterson sometime this summer for one more year with an option for two. Get him out of the lead off spot. Hopefully Stubbs will be ready by 2010.

2. Sign Crede and move EE to LF.

3. Do what you can to get Sabathia. 3 yrs 40/45 will not cut it. He'll want 20M and he's deserving.

*BaseClogger*
04-30-2008, 11:17 AM
2. Sign Crede and move EE to LF.

I'm with you on thinking that AGon will not be a major contributor to the Reds in 2009, but why is Joe Crede the anwser?

BuckeyeRedleg
04-30-2008, 11:24 AM
I'm with you on thinking that AGon will not be a major contributor to the Reds in 2009, but why is Joe Crede the anwser?


Third base.

*BaseClogger*
04-30-2008, 11:25 AM
Third base.

what about a defense-first SS and moving Keppinger to 3B?

TOBTTReds
04-30-2008, 11:46 AM
what about a defense-first SS and moving Keppinger to 3B?

Like Alex Gonzalez?

flyer85
04-30-2008, 11:51 AM
Crede has back issues ... wouldn't touch him on anything but a one year deal.

BuckeyeRedleg
04-30-2008, 12:00 PM
Crede has back issues ... wouldn't touch him on anything but a one year deal.


That would work. Frazier may be ready by then.

BuckeyeRedleg
04-30-2008, 12:01 PM
what about a defense-first SS and moving Keppinger to 3B?

AGon at SS and Kepp as the super utility man. Kepp can platoon at all 4 infield positions and get 400 AB's.

flyer85
04-30-2008, 12:03 PM
That would work. Frazier may be ready by then.I have a feeling Crede, especially since he has back issues and is in his early 30's will not be interested in a one year deal.

BuckeyeRedleg
04-30-2008, 12:06 PM
I have a feeling Crede, especially since he has back issues and is in his early 30's will not be interested in a one year deal.


Probably, but he may not have a choice due to those back problems.

flyer85
04-30-2008, 12:07 PM
There really isn't any evidence to support the notion that Gonzo is anything more than a slight improvement over Keppinger(defensively). Gonzo is one of those guys whose reputation far exceeds his production.

flyer85
04-30-2008, 12:07 PM
Probably, but he may not have a choice due to those back problems.in this market the odds are likely he will find someone willing to offer multiple years. Everyone overpays.

*BaseClogger*
04-30-2008, 12:12 PM
Like Alex Gonzalez?

AGon is an average defensive SS with injury concerns...

*BaseClogger*
04-30-2008, 12:12 PM
AGon at SS and Kepp as the super utility man. Kepp can platoon at all 4 infield positions and get 400 AB's.

Except... Keppinger is better than AGon?

BuckeyeRedleg
04-30-2008, 12:51 PM
Except... Keppinger is better than AGon?

He is a better hitter. I'm not sold on him being a better fielder.

Plus, we owe AGon a bunch of dough. He'll play if he's healthy.

*BaseClogger*
04-30-2008, 01:02 PM
He is a better hitter. I'm not sold on him being a better fielder.

Plus, we owe AGon a bunch of dough. He'll play if he's healthy.

I'm not sold on that either, but it's close enough that the hitting means it's not even close overall.

I thought we were talking about what we would do, not what the Reds will do. My bad...

BuckeyeRedleg
04-30-2008, 02:25 PM
I'm not sold on that either, but it's close enough that the hitting means it's not even close overall.

I thought we were talking about what we would do, not what the Reds will do. My bad...


Career-wise, Gonzalez does resemble Corey Patterson with a low OBP with some pop in his bat, while playing solid defense in a very important defensive position.

With that said, he had a solid year offensively in 2007 (17 HR's, .799 OPS) all the while going though some major personal issues. He hasn't done anything in his brief stay here to warrant his dumping. I do agree that Keppinger has done a solid job, but also feel that he's a bit overvalued on this board. For all the success he's had, the 28 year-old journeyman has a career .799 OPS, the same as AGon in 2007.

And AGon's D did suffer in 2007 with 16 errors, but I think that it would be unfair to label him average or below-average at his position based on one sub-par year. In fact, I could see how going through off the field personal issues would impact a player more with his glove than his bat.

To me this isn't some no-brainer decision to have Kepp play over him at SS, especially when you consider how much they have invested in AGon.

Rojo
04-30-2008, 03:51 PM
Kepp's low-k, BA-driven bat would help the line-up. Stick him at third, move EdE to the outfield and dangle Jr., Dunn, Hatt and Valentine for up-the-middle players. Sign Helms as a righty back for first and fall-back for third.

BuckeyeRedleg
04-30-2008, 04:05 PM
Kepp's low-k, BA-driven bat would help the line-up. Stick him at third, move EdE to the outfield and dangle Jr., Dunn, Hatt and Valentine for up-the-middle players. Sign Helms as a righty back for first and fall-back for third.

I'm good with this as well. I was just saying that if we were to pick up a FA, I wouldn't mind Crede for a year and Kepp playing anywhere when needed.

Freel would need to be sent somewhere as well.

flyer85
04-30-2008, 04:09 PM
And AGon's D did suffer in 2007 with 16 errors, but I think that it would be unfair to label him average or below-average at his position based on one sub-par year. that's where most defensive stats have him ... average at best.

BuckeyeRedleg
04-30-2008, 04:19 PM
that's where most defensive stats have him ... average at best.

So his defensive "skills" are a myth, like Juan Castro?

Why do we hear how good he is with the glove? Francona said he was one of the best he's ever seen at SS. That was the main reason he was brought in. Is he really "average", even if you thow out 2007? I'm serious when I ask this because I don't know.

And if so, what is Kepp? In the limited sample size, does it show Keppinger to be better? Watching Kepp out there, he does a fine job, but my eyes tell me that he is not a natural shortstop. I just don't see it. He does make the routine plays however, but I would take AGon over him defensively without question.

*BaseClogger*
04-30-2008, 05:22 PM
For further reading into the Kepp v. AGon defensive debate may I suggest the third and fourth pages of this thread:

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67680&page=3

*BaseClogger*
04-30-2008, 07:04 PM
Career-wise, Gonzalez does resemble Corey Patterson with a low OBP with some pop in his bat, while playing solid defense in a very important defensive position.

With that said, he had a solid year offensively in 2007 (17 HR's, .799 OPS) all the while going though some major personal issues. He hasn't done anything in his brief stay here to warrant his dumping. I do agree that Keppinger has done a solid job, but also feel that he's a bit overvalued on this board. For all the success he's had, the 28 year-old journeyman has a career .799 OPS, the same as AGon in 2007.

To me this isn't some no-brainer decision to have Kepp play over him at SS, especially when you consider how much they have invested in AGon.

Not all 799 OPS are created equal (distrubtion of OBP and SLG). As long as money is disregarded, which it should be, it is a no-brainer to play Kepp over AGon...

Benihana
05-02-2008, 12:08 AM
Assuming Dunn and Griffey walk.


1. Re-sign Corey Patterson sometime this summer for one more year with an option for two. Get him out of the lead off spot. Hopefully Stubbs will be ready by 2010.

2. Sign Crede and move EE to LF.

3. Do what you can to get Sabathia. 3 yrs 40/45 will not cut it. He'll want 20M and he's deserving.


1. OK
2. No thanks
3. No way

Crede is too old and fragile. Personally, I'd like to see EE stick at 3B and worry about a LF if Dunn walks, which I hope he doesn't. LF are easier to find than 3B. As for Sabathia, can we please talk about something realistic? He's going to get >$100 MM, and the Reds are obviously not playing that game.

The list of free agents sucks. I'd trade Jr. this season (or let him walk afterwards) and bring Bruce up in his place. I'd try to trade for Matt LaPorta or Matt Kemp, but if I couldn't, I'd resign Dunn and Patterson. Let CP play CF until Stubbs is ready, but let him bat ninth. (That's right, ninth.)

OnBaseMachine
05-02-2008, 12:13 AM
Sabathia is from California. I suspect he'll sign with a west coast team, probably either the Angels or Dodgers.

Spring~Fields
05-02-2008, 01:48 AM
There really isn't any evidence to support the notion that Gonzo is anything more than a slight improvement over Keppinger(defensively). Gonzo is one of those guys whose reputation far exceeds his production.

How about signing Orlando Hudson to play 2B and move Phillips to ss?

Rojo
05-02-2008, 08:05 PM
Oliver Perez would be interesting. Too many homers and walks but entering prime age to get it together.

OnBaseMachine
05-02-2008, 08:12 PM
Oliver Perez would be interesting. Too many homers and walks but entering prime age to get it together.

I would love to have Oliver Perez. If he could be had for say, three years at 10 million a year I'd do it.

Rojo
05-02-2008, 08:58 PM
I would love to have Oliver Perez. If he could be had for say, three years at 10 million a year I'd do it.

If the payroll can be cleared, I'd go higher.

jojo
05-02-2008, 09:41 PM
Oliver Perez would be a huge risk for the Reds given his extreme flyball tendencies and high walk rate-----a deadly combination in GABP.

Rojo
05-03-2008, 02:13 AM
Oliver Perez would be a huge risk for the Reds given his extreme flyball tendencies and high walk rate-----a deadly combination in GABP.

Clear out Jr., Dunn and some junk, you have scratch to work with. Now look at the list again. There's not a lot of high upside starting pitching there.

Will M
05-03-2008, 12:18 PM
Here is what I see for 2009:

C ?
1B Votto
2B Phillips
SS Kep/Gonzo ( Gonzo likely not tradable at this point )
3B EE
LF ?
CF ?
RF Bruce

SP Harang-Volquez-Cueto-Arroyo-Bailey
RP Cordero-Burton-Bray-?

Griffey is gone.
Dunn should only be back if it is a short term deal. I suspect he can more elsewhere.

Looking at the Free Agent list there really isn't much. Jocketty has his work cut out for him.

It may be easier to find a team with a high priced veteran and offer them low level prospects and salary relief.

Spring~Fields
05-03-2008, 02:52 PM
How about signing Orlando Hudson to play 2B and move Phillips to ss?

Can't believe that none of you like that 2B on FA list, what am I missing?

It seems to me that he would make the Reds pitching even better.

I think that he would push Phillips to be even better, and that Phillips could play short better than Keppinger or the aging Gonzalez. Though RF, LF, and 3B are the Reds biggest fielding problem areas according to the split stats at ESPN. I just don't think that the Reds would lose anything by moving Encarcion to 1B, Keppinger to 3B, and Votto to LF. Leaving Jay Bruce for RF or CF and finding the upgrade replacement in the other open position.

"if" Griffey and Dunn left the team.

*BaseClogger*
05-04-2008, 01:02 PM
Encarnacion at 1B, Keppinger at 3B, and Votto in LF would be a very weak offense IMO. (Basically moving Keppinger from SS to LF in the current offense. Where is the offense upgraded in that?)

Spring~Fields
05-04-2008, 01:32 PM
Encarnacion at 1B, Keppinger at 3B, and Votto in LF would be a very weak offense IMO. (Basically moving Keppinger from SS to LF in the current offense. Where is the offense upgraded in that?)

By upgrading the defense to improve the pitching to have an effect on the offense or RS vs RA. Of course we are hoping that Walt Jocketty improves some of the other pieces on the roster.

*BaseClogger*
05-04-2008, 01:53 PM
By upgrading the defense to improve the pitching to have an effect on the offense or RS vs RA. Of course we are hoping that Walt Jocketty improves some of the other pieces on the roster.

Yes, but the offense is very bad now. No amount of defense will make up for making it even worse...

Rojo
05-04-2008, 05:20 PM
Yes, but the offense is very bad now.

As of today:

Keppinger OPS .754
Dunn OPS .753

*BaseClogger*
05-04-2008, 05:59 PM
As of today:

Keppinger OPS .754
Dunn OPS .753

Keppinger would still be in the lineup; AGon or the likes would be taking Dunn's spot...

REDREAD
05-05-2008, 03:07 PM
If we're going to drop a ton of cash, how about Furcal for SS and leave Phillips at 2b?

That would help our offense and defense. I know it would be expensive, but it would be a lot less risker than CC.

I think the Reds have no choice but to resign Dunn. I hope he wants to say.

Then the Reds have to decide to bring back Jr one more year and put Bruce in CF, or let Jr walk at resign themselves to another year of Freel or bottom feed for a CF. Or I guess moving EdE to the OF is also an option.

Benihana
05-05-2008, 03:13 PM
If we're going to drop a ton of cash, how about Furcal for SS and leave Phillips at 2b?

That would help our offense and defense. I know it would be expensive, but it would be a lot less risker than CC.

I think the Reds have no choice but to resign Dunn. I hope he wants to say.

Then the Reds have to decide to bring back Jr one more year and put Bruce in CF, or let Jr walk at resign themselves to another year of Freel or bottom feed for a CF. Or I guess moving EdE to the OF is also an option.

The way I see it, if the Reds let Dunn walk they should sign Furcal or Teixeira. The pitching staff is already set for the forseeable future. We need bats. Do what it takes.

Will M
05-05-2008, 03:39 PM
The way I see it, if the Reds let Dunn walk they should sign Furcal or Teixeira. The pitching staff is already set for the forseeable future. We need bats. Do what it takes.

Furcal & Teixeira are clearly the best position players on the list.
Hudson is good.
Dunn and Burrell are really DHs.
Everyone else is a complimentary player.

15fan
05-05-2008, 04:32 PM
Instead of targeting FAs, I'd be targeting arb-eligibles from small market teams or teams with bloated payrolls.

And personally, I'd stay away from Furcal.

Benihana
05-05-2008, 04:34 PM
Instead of targeting FAs, I'd be targeting arb-eligibles from small market teams or teams with bloated payrolls.

And personally, I'd stay away from Furcal.

I'd rather have Escobar, but that ship has sailed. Maybe Krivsky's worst (non-)move ever. Although I can't say I disagreed at the time.

Rojo
05-05-2008, 06:51 PM
And personally, I'd stay away from Furcal.

Yeah, teams overbid to gain a little more offense from a defensive position.

Rojo
05-05-2008, 06:54 PM
Keppinger would still be in the lineup; AGon or the likes would be taking Dunn's spot...

True. But Votto and EdE are on the upside of their offensive arc. Bruce could probably fill Jr. shoe's right away and you add more offense in center - a current black hole.