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Reds Fanatic
04-30-2008, 11:46 AM
For those of you not stuck at work like me the game is on FSN HD today.


Reds (12 - 16)
5th in NL Central
Cardinals (17 - 11)
2nd in NL Central

Starting Lineup

Name AVG HR RBI SB
1. R Freel, CF .292 0 6 1
2. J Keppinger, SS .303 2 13 2
3. K Griffey Jr., RF .245 4 15 0
4. B Phillips, 2B .292 5 14 4
5. A Dunn, LF .210 4 11 1
6. E Encarnacion, 3B .289 6 14 1
7. J Votto, 1B .307 4 13 0
8. D Ross, C .286 0 0 0
9. A Harang, P .250 0 0 0


Starting Lineup

Name AVG HR RBI SB
1. S Schumaker, RF .323 1 8 3
2. A Miles, 2B .273 0 3 0
3. A Pujols, 1B .366 5 20 2
4. R Ankiel, CF .268 5 14 0
5. T Glaus, 3B .271 1 21 0
6. C Duncan, LF .281 2 6 1
7. J LaRue, C .045 0 0 0
8. B Looper, P .250 0 1 0
9. B Ryan, SS .294 0 1 1

Starting Pitcher
Name W L ERA* WHIP K
A Harang 1 3 2.76 0.99 37

Starting Pitcher
Name W L ERA* WHIP K
B Looper 3 1 4.05 1.24 14

*BaseClogger*
04-30-2008, 11:47 AM
You might guess they are facing a lefty in you saw that lineup...

dougdirt
04-30-2008, 11:49 AM
continues to boggle my mind that votto and EE are batting 6 and 7....

flyer85
04-30-2008, 11:51 AM
Corey must have eaten Dusty's sandwich after the the game.

SirFelixCat
04-30-2008, 11:52 AM
I don't get why, more often than not, this lineup just doesn't work, why do you keep it as the status quo?!?

RedsManRick
04-30-2008, 11:52 AM
continues to boggle my mind that votto and EE are batting 6 and 7....

Continues to boggle my mind that BP bats cleanup, especially versus righties. If he didn't do it last year, I don't think it would ever have occurred to Dusty to put him there.

Extreme small samples, but for 2008:

vR: 89 PA, 253/.292/.410, 20 SO
vL: 26 PA,.435/.500/.957, 2 SO

There is absolutely no reason EE should be batting 6th and BP 4th.

Chip R
04-30-2008, 12:03 PM
There is absolutely no reason EE should be batting 6th and BP 4th.


Perhaps Dusty feels that EE feels too much pressure on him when he bats cleanup.

Heath
04-30-2008, 12:16 PM
I'd almost hit EdE 2nd, Kepp Leadoff, Freel 7th, speed be darned.

kaldaniels
04-30-2008, 12:16 PM
LaRue and his .045 scares me. :D

Raisor
04-30-2008, 12:19 PM
I'd almost hit EdE 2nd, Kepp Leadoff, Freel 7th, speed be darned.

I've been pro-Eddie in the 2 slot for two years now. Welcome aboard the AWESOMENESS EXPRESS~!

RedsManRick
04-30-2008, 12:23 PM
I'd almost hit EdE 2nd, Kepp Leadoff, Freel 7th, speed be darned.

I agree completely. If the value of speed is in the runner obtaining extra bases, doesn't it make sense that speed is most valuable (and least costly if caught) when the guy at the plate is least likely to advance you with is bat?

Keppinger
EE
Dunn
Junior
BP
Votto
Freel/Patterson
Bako

oneupper
04-30-2008, 12:23 PM
LaRue and his .045 scares me. :D

Ah...but he's out for REVENGE!

Kc61
04-30-2008, 12:35 PM
continues to boggle my mind that votto and EE are batting 6 and 7....

Many managers feel that young hitters should stay out of the pressure spots in the lineup. If you move EE and Votto up, they may start swinging for the fences. I tend to agree.

If the outfielders would hit, the batting order would be less of a concern.

CaiGuy
04-30-2008, 12:35 PM
I agree completely. If the value of speed is in the runner obtaining extra bases, doesn't it make sense that speed is most valuable (and least costly if caught) when the guy at the plate is least likely to advance you with is bat?

Keppinger
EE
Dunn
Junior
BP
Votto
Freel/Patterson
Bako

Kepp
Dunn
Jr.
EdE
Votto
Phil
Pat/Freel
Bako/Ross

VR
04-30-2008, 12:36 PM
LaRue and his .045 scares me. :D

Almost an automatic 3 hit, 5 rbi day for LaRue coming up.

Falls City Beer
04-30-2008, 12:37 PM
When it comes to beating a subject to death, hasn't the issue of the lineups taken the cake?

Spring~Fields
04-30-2008, 12:38 PM
I'd almost hit EdE 2nd, Kepp Leadoff, Freel 7th, speed be darned.

I like your's


BA OBP SLG OPS
R. Freel .292 .327 .354 .681
J. Keppinger .303 .353 .422 .775
K. Griffey Jr. .245 .330 .418 .749
B. Phillips .292 .339 .528 .867
A. Dunn .210 .387 .383 .770
E. Encarcion .289 .378 .546 .925
J. Votto .307 .333 .533 .867
D. Ross .286 .286 .429 .714
A. Harang .250 .250 .333 .583

I would have ordered them like below.


BA OBP SLG OPS
J. Keppinger .303 .353 .422 .775
A. Dunn .210 .387 .383 .770
E. Encarcion .289 .378 .546 .925
J. Votto .307 .333 .533 .867
K. Griffey Jr. .245 .330 .418 .749
B. Phillips .292 .339 .528 .867
R. Freel .292 .327 .354 .681
D. Ross .286 .286 .429 .714
A. Harang .250 .250 .333 .583

*neat and orderly courtesy of RedsManRick

dougdirt
04-30-2008, 12:40 PM
Many managers feel that young hitters should stay out of the pressure spots in the lineup. If you move EE and Votto up, they may start swinging for the fences. I tend to agree.

If the outfielders would hit, the batting order would be less of a concern.
Edwin is in his 4th season. He isn't young in terms of experience.

Kc61
04-30-2008, 12:56 PM
Edwin is in his 4th season. He isn't young in terms of experience.

But EE's been inconsistent until now. He is enjoying success out of the sixth spot. I would rather his development stay on track. Hitting him in the middle of the order could lead to bad habits.

Really, it's great to see these younger hitters doing well, having a good approach up there. I like this infield the Reds have.
But increasingly, I think some new players in the outfield would be a plus. Bruce is one. I hope they add at least one other and make a change.

KronoRed
04-30-2008, 01:05 PM
I don't get why, more often than not, this lineup just doesn't work, why do you keep it as the status quo?!?

We'll shock them by doing the same thing over and over..VICTORY is assured! :D

SMcGavin
04-30-2008, 01:06 PM
If the value of speed is in the runner obtaining extra bases, doesn't it make sense that speed is most valuable (and least costly if caught) when the guy at the plate is least likely to advance you with is bat?


I have thought this for a while too. It also follows from the same logic that speed is more valuable with a singles hitter at the plate, as opposed to the Dunns of the world.

OnBaseMachine
04-30-2008, 01:28 PM
I wish Brandon Phillips was smarter at the plate.

membengal
04-30-2008, 01:39 PM
When it comes to beating a subject to death, hasn't the issue of the lineups taken the cake?

Yes.

But it would certainly be nice if EE could be moved to clean-up at some point soon...

HokieRed
04-30-2008, 01:39 PM
Might have been nice to have EE's homer with those two men on that Dunn LOB. Dunn needs to be moved up, down, or out.

HokieRed
04-30-2008, 01:44 PM
There just is no excuse any longer for batting EE 6th and Votto 7th while Jr. hits third and Dunn fifth. It's time to move to the future. (actually, well past time)

Spring~Fields
04-30-2008, 07:17 PM
“We’ve got to get production,” Baker said. “Adam (Dunn) is swinging better, a lot better. It seems like we get some guys going and then other guys quit going.”

:doh::doh::doh:

That guy cracks me up.

GAC
04-30-2008, 08:27 PM
I wish Brandon Phillips was smarter than the plate.

Fixed that for ya. ;)

GAC
04-30-2008, 08:29 PM
When it comes to beating a subject to death, hasn't the issue of the lineups taken the cake?

Hardly. Many, including myself, think Baker's lineup construction is counter-productive to various player's abilities. So that makes the discussion relevant IMO.

Falls City Beer
04-30-2008, 08:29 PM
About as much as the fire Krivsky ones. ;)

Yeah, those were legion.

GAC
04-30-2008, 08:33 PM
Yeah, those were legion.

Sorry. Didn't mean to revise that on ya; but Krivsky criticism was very, very evident on here.

Matt700wlw
04-30-2008, 08:35 PM
Bob Boone threads were cool :)

GAC
04-30-2008, 08:39 PM
Bob Boone threads were cool :)

Yeah, and we never complained about his lineups, or called him inept as a manager. :lol:

Falls City Beer
05-01-2008, 04:34 PM
Yeah, and we never complained about his lineups, or called him inept as a manager. :lol:

I can't speak for anybody else, but I almost never--honestly, never--complain about the lineups. It bores me to tears. And it's unimportant compared to the impact a GM has in making the 25-man.

WMR
05-01-2008, 04:37 PM
I can't speak for anybody else, but I almost never--honestly, never--complain about the lineups. It bores me to tears. And it's unimportant compared to the impact a GM has in making the 25-man.

When you see something that is clearly flawed, isn't it incumbent upon a person to point it out?

What's the definition of insanity?

GAC
05-01-2008, 04:46 PM
And it's unimportant compared to the impact a GM has in making the 25-man.

So I guess a manager could just put those nine player's names in a hat, draw them out, and bat them however and it wouldn't matter? I would strongly disagree.