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Matt700wlw
05-06-2008, 06:05 PM
Ryan Freel cf
Ken Griffey Jr. rf
Brandon Phillips 2b
Joey Votto 1b
Edwin Encarnacion 3b
Adam Dunn lf
Jeff Keppinger ss
Paul Bako c
Aaron Harang p

TRF
05-06-2008, 06:30 PM
And Edwin hits 5th while BP continues to make outs in the 3 hole.

blech.

Raisor
05-06-2008, 06:41 PM
Here's what the top three spots in the lineup have done for the Reds (along with the NL average)

1. .325/.417 (.343/.431)
2. .281/.331 (.333/.395)
3. .320/.382 (.364/.497)

That's gotta change.

WMR
05-06-2008, 06:43 PM
Definition of insanity. Night after night after night after night.

BuckeyeRedleg
05-06-2008, 06:47 PM
R, L, R, L, R, L, R, L, R

As long as Dusty can do this, he is happy.

TRF
05-06-2008, 06:48 PM
Here's what the top three spots in the lineup have done for the Reds (along with the NL average)

1. .325/.417 (.343/.431)
2. .281/.331 (.333/.395)
3. .320/.382 (.364/.497)

That's gotta change.


Phil, what numbers are you using? performance in those three spots or the current lineup?

Matt700wlw
05-06-2008, 06:50 PM
For stat fans, there's a bunch of stats (batting and pitching) for both teams in the lineup thread in the Sun Deck

BuckeyeRedleg
05-06-2008, 06:53 PM
How I would do it (for tonight):

Keppinger
Dunn
Griffey
Encarnacion
Votto
Phillips
Bako
Freel


edit: to switch Freel and Kepp.

WMR
05-06-2008, 07:00 PM
Keppinger
Dunn
EE
Votto
Phillips
Griffey
Bako
Harang
Freel

Raisor
05-06-2008, 07:08 PM
Phil, what numbers are you using? performance in those three spots or the current lineup?



Performance in the top three spots to date.

RedsManRick
05-06-2008, 07:12 PM
I posted this in the Soriano Leadoff thread, not sure how many people saw it.



OBP
POS Reds Rank Cubs Rank
1 .327 13 .261 16
2 .282 13 .344 6
3 .322 12 .438 3
4 .326 13 .419 1
5 .391 5 .397 3
6 .338 5 .426 1
7 .352 6 .453 1
8 .350 5 .328 8
9 .198 14 .290 4
Total .322 11 .373 1

SLG
POS Reds Rank Cubs Rank
1 .422 10 .284 16
2 .333 12 .383 11
3 .386 13 .646 3
4 .426 12 .542 4
5 .406 13 .429 12
6 .447 4 .482 3
7 .559 3 .629 2
8 .450 1 .311 7
9 .214 10 .348 3
Total .406 9 .460 4

OPS
POS Reds Rank Cubs Rank
1 .749 11 .545 16
2 .615 12 .727 11
3 .696 13 1.125 3
4 .752 12 .961 4
5 .796 9 .826 8
6 .786 4 .907 2
7 .911 3 1.082 1
8 .800 2 .639 8
9 .412 14 .638 3
Total .728 9 .820 1

BuckeyeRedleg
05-06-2008, 07:23 PM
The sad thing about the info RedsManRick has provided is that I have little faith Dusty or anyone in the current FO has any idea.

nate
05-06-2008, 07:37 PM
Keppinger
Dunn
EE
Votto
Phillips
Griffey
Bako
Harang
Freel

:thumbup:

I like it. Option: flip Dunn and Votto.

RedsManRick
05-06-2008, 07:43 PM
The difference between the Reds and the Cubs is basically Derrek Lee & Aramis Ramirez vs Ken Griffey Jr & Brandon Phillips. The performances of the rest of the teams more or less balances out.

Dunn/Soriano
EE/Fukudome
Bako/Soto
etc.

While a number of Reds players are struggling quite a bit, only Paul Bako is playing way above his head. Nobody else is playing above a sustainable level; nobody balancing out the struggles. Every team has key players struggling. The Reds problem is the lack of players surging.

Spring~Fields
05-06-2008, 08:23 PM
Here's what the top three spots in the lineup have done for the Reds (along with the NL average)

1. .325/.417 (.343/.431)
2. .281/.331 (.333/.395)
3. .320/.382 (.364/.497)

That's gotta change.

Amen to that Raisor

Spring~Fields
05-06-2008, 08:24 PM
I posted this in the Soriano Leadoff thread, not sure how many people saw it.



OBP
POS Reds Rank Cubs Rank
1 .327 13 .261 16
2 .282 13 .344 6
3 .322 12 .438 3
4 .326 13 .419 1
5 .391 5 .397 3
6 .338 5 .426 1
7 .352 6 .453 1
8 .350 5 .328 8
9 .198 14 .290 4
Total .322 11 .373 1

SLG
POS Reds Rank Cubs Rank
1 .422 10 .284 16
2 .333 12 .383 11
3 .386 13 .646 3
4 .426 12 .542 4
5 .406 13 .429 12
6 .447 4 .482 3
7 .559 3 .629 2
8 .450 1 .311 7
9 .214 10 .348 3
Total .406 9 .460 4

OPS
POS Reds Rank Cubs Rank
1 .749 11 .545 16
2 .615 12 .727 11
3 .696 13 1.125 3
4 .752 12 .961 4
5 .796 9 .826 8
6 .786 4 .907 2
7 .911 3 1.082 1
8 .800 2 .639 8
9 .412 14 .638 3
Total .728 9 .820 1

Just look at that, just look at that, 1-4, a major part of the answer is right there.

Thanks RMR

Highlifeman21
05-06-2008, 09:33 PM
Phillips 3rd?
Dunn 6th?

This makes me like The Dusty less.

Flip those two, and we might have something.

KronoRed
05-06-2008, 11:00 PM
The Phillips 3 spot love is weird.