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Kc61
05-07-2008, 12:48 AM
Let's see. So far in AAA he has pitched nine innings. Zero runs, five hits, eight Ks, no walks.

I've seen him called a trick pitch artist, not a real prospect, etc. But he has been a remarkable reliever in the minor leagues. And he's still young, only 23 until October.

This young man must have something going on.

fearofpopvol1
05-07-2008, 01:39 AM
He'll get his shot, but I see no room in the pen for him with Cincy until probably September (barring some injuries). Bray would be next in line and even he may not see the big league club again for a while.

dougdirt
05-07-2008, 01:45 AM
The kid is showing he has what some people like to refer to as skillz (with a Z).

lollipopcurve
05-07-2008, 08:04 AM
DRay has dusted Pedro Viola as the next LH reliever in line after Bray, and I'm not sure he won't pass Bray.

Red_BlueDevil
05-07-2008, 12:22 PM
Danny's really fun to watch. He pitched an inning in last night's game against the tides and looked great.

Honestly, he looks like a little leaguer out there and and its a trip to watch him sit between 65 and 75 on the gun. But, the kid gets it done.

Hell, lets bring him up and see what he can do against the big boys. I think opposing hitters would have a migraine just thinking about facing Volquez for seven innings, then DRay for the eighth, followed by Cordero.

Caveat Emperor
05-07-2008, 01:51 PM
The best that can probably ever be expected from Danny Herrera is for him to be a LOOGY that has moderate success for a year or so until the league sees his act a few times.

Just IMO.

IslandRed
05-07-2008, 02:10 PM
Definitely wouldn't want to overexpose him, you're right. But pitching is about disrupting timing, and facing his slow-and-slower stuff with unusual movement would be about like facing a knuckleballer in terms of the contrast between him and what hitters are used to seeing. Could work for awhile.

Sea Ray
05-07-2008, 02:26 PM
The best that can probably ever be expected from Danny Herrera is for him to be a LOOGY that has moderate success for a year or so until the league sees his act a few times.

Just IMO.

I don't see him as a LOOGY since his trick pitch is a screwball. That would not bode well as a specialist coming on to get out tough LH hitters


I like R/B Devil's suggestion and I disagree that there's not room for him until Sept. This pen's not w/o holes

flyer85
05-07-2008, 02:30 PM
I honestly can't wait to see this kid and his S-L-O-W offspeed stuff.

texasdave
05-07-2008, 04:16 PM
The Astros had a reliever in the early 90's by the name of Doug Jones. He had three speeds. Slow. Slower. And really, really slow. He had a couple of big years for the 'Stros. I have no idea how he pulled it off. The ball seemed to float up to the plate. It brought back memories of Bugs Bunny slowball, on which three batters struck out on one pitch. Looney Tunes = good times.

flyer85
05-07-2008, 04:21 PM
The Astros had a reliever in the early 90's by the name of Doug Jones. He had three speeds. Slow. Slower. And really, really slow. He had a couple of big years for the 'Stros. I have no idea how he pulled it off. The ball seemed to float up to the plate. It brought back memories of Bugs Bunny slowball, on which three batters struck out on one pitch. Looney Tunes = good times.supposedly the separation he gets is close to 20 mph from his fastball(which supposedly tops out at 83-84, which IIRC, Jones pitched at 85-87 with his fastball)

Ga_Red
05-07-2008, 04:53 PM
Kenny Raffensburger redeux

fearofpopvol1
05-07-2008, 07:29 PM
20 MPH is a sick differential. I bet he can fool batters with his stuff. I'm pretty intrigued by the kid too.

Blitz Dorsey
05-07-2008, 11:34 PM
I'm a stats guy. I like what I'm seeing (reading) out of this kid. Not a bad "throw-in" in the trade at all. If the kid has pinpoint control like it sounds like, he will be able to make it on the MLB level.

Danny Serafini
05-08-2008, 12:20 AM
Calvin Medlock was a screwball pitcher with great numbers and the Reds ignored him. I don't see why Herrera would be different. I was really surprised when the Reds took him in the trade, even if it was a throw in.

PuffyPig
05-08-2008, 12:29 AM
20 MPH is a sick differential. I bet he can fool batters with his stuff. I'm pretty intrigued by the kid too.

I always thought I heard that the best differential was about 8 MPH. Any more and the batter can easily adjust.

fearofpopvol1
05-08-2008, 01:15 AM
I always thought I heard that the best differential was about 8 MPH. Any more and the batter can easily adjust.

I'd think having control over a 20MPH would be a big advantage. If you can vary speeds that much, you're going to fool people, which is pretty much all Herrera has done.

redhawk61
05-08-2008, 02:31 AM
I always thought I heard that the best differential was about 8 MPH. Any more and the batter can easily adjust.

Volquez thinks differently. He can throw 97 and can follow it with 79 and it seems to be working out quite nicely for him

cincyinco
05-08-2008, 04:30 AM
Medlock didn't throw a screwball.

Guevara did. He was a rule 5 pick up by the pades and is currently on the DL.

bucksfan2
05-08-2008, 09:42 AM
I always thought I heard that the best differential was about 8 MPH. Any more and the batter can easily adjust.

My question is at what speed does a pitcher need to pitch before the batter can adjust. Im not talking knuckleballers rather a pitcher like Herrera. Lets say his fastball tops out in the mid 80's yet throws very effective pitches in the 70's. How many players have the type of hands who can just waste change up after change up by fouling them off? Good hitters could probably just sit on fastball and flick the offspeed pitches foul.

Danny Serafini
05-08-2008, 10:18 AM
Medlock didn't throw a screwball.

Guevara did. He was a rule 5 pick up by the pades and is currently on the DL.

My fault, got the two mixed up. But the basic point still stands, if they didn't give one screwballer a chance I doubt they'll give the other one a shot.

lollipopcurve
05-08-2008, 10:20 AM
Calvin Medlock was a screwball pitcher with great numbers and the Reds ignored him.

I think you mean Guevara. Medlock does not throw a screwball.

danforsman
05-08-2008, 10:25 AM
Watching Herrera warm up in the bullpen in Louisville, it looks like his screwball stops in mid-route to the plate. Pretty incredible to watch. He also seemed to have a nice straight change. He broke more than one bat on the occasion I had to watch him pitch.

TRF
05-08-2008, 10:36 AM
Calvin Medlock was a screwball pitcher with great numbers and the Reds ignored him. I don't see why Herrera would be different. I was really surprised when the Reds took him in the trade, even if it was a throw in.

Guevara, not Medlock.

Sea Ray
05-08-2008, 12:25 PM
Guevara, not Medlock.

The difference is Danny is left handed. You give them a little more consideration

ChatterRed
05-09-2008, 09:59 PM
I can't wait to see a 5'8" guy out on the mound throwing goofy pitches. Bring him up!!!!

gedred69
05-09-2008, 10:46 PM
Hey, Fred Norman was 5' 8", 160lbs. He was a significant contributor to the BRM era:thumbup:!!

Kc61
05-10-2008, 10:15 AM
When the Reds made the Hamilton trade it was reported that they insisted on another pitcher, along with Volquez -- presumably in case Volquez got hurt or didn't pan out they wanted something else to show for the trade. I highly doubt that the Reds view Herrera as a throw in or a scrub.

I expect him to be with the Reds late this season and to break spring training with the team next year.