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Matt700wlw
05-07-2008, 07:00 PM
I wonder what Mets fans would say to that? ;)


TRICKS OF THE TRADE

How do you restore a once-proud franchise? Glad you asked.
By Steve Phillips

The Reds haven't made the playoffs in 13 years, and a slow start this season cost GM Wayne Krivsky his job. So how can new boss Walt Jocketty build a new Big Red Machine?

Baseball Tonight analyst and former Mets GM Steve Phillips has a few ideas.

1. TRADE JUNIOR Yes, Ken Griffey Jr. is one of the few reasons to visit Great American Ball Park, but it's time to make the tough decisions. Griffey is signed only through this year, with a club option for 2009. As a 10-and-five player, he can veto any deal, but Chicago is a popular destination, so call White Sox GM Ken Williams, who's tried to get Griffey in the past, and ask for Josh Fields or Carlos Quentin. The Sox have a shot, and Griffey would be huge in Chi-Town. Then call up top prospect Jay Bruce, and put him in center for the next 10 years.

2. DUNN DEAL Use Adam Dunn's power as a chip to get pitchers. The Reds have a limited budget and an even smaller ballpark, so they must deal for arms and develop them. Dunn is in the last year of his deal, so maximize the return by giving an interested team a 72-hour window to negotiate an extension. Go to the Giants, who need offense to replace Barry Bonds, and ask for Matt Cain. Go to Toronto and request a package that includes Adam Lind and Dustin McGowan or Shawn Marcum. Call Cleveland, which is desperate for bats, and ask for Cliff Lee and one of these three: OF Franklin Gutiérrez and lefties Jeremy Sowers and Aaron Laffey.

3. BYE, BYE BRONSON In 2006, Bronson Arroyo was a great acquisition by Krivsky, but at age 31, and after throwing 656µ innings the previous three years, he's not the same pitcher. Get what you can, and get out from under his contract, because financial flexibility is critical for a small-market franchise. There are plenty of teams dying for starting pitching: Texas, Detroit, Houston, Milwaukee and Baltimore come to mind. After trading Arroyo, bring up Homer Bailey, and give him the ball every fifth day. Scouts think he can be special; let's see if they're right.

4. CALL HANK Have owner Bob Castellini ring Hank Steinbrenner and tell him you've got a way to move Joba Chamberlain into the Yankees' rotation. Offer Jared Burton, who's whiffing hitters in bunches, and Jeremy Affeldt for Phil Hughes. Sell Burton as Chamberlain's eighth-inning replacement and Affeldt as the situational lefty the Yanks lack. Throw in Arroyo if they want. Make it an owners deal. Castellini and Hank will love it; GM Brian Cashman will hate it. The bottom line is that Aaron Harang, Johnny Cueto, Edinson Vólquez and Hughes would give Cincy four very different looks.

5. SHORT CUT The Reds have a tough decision when Álex González returns from his left-knee injury in a few weeks, because Jeff Keppinger has proved he can play shortstop every day. What to do? Trade utility man Ryan Freel to the Dodgers for Scott Proctor. LA can use a supersub, and Proctor can pitch the eighth inning if Burton is traded. Then Keppinger stays put and González becomes a defensive specialist—one with a lot of value if another club loses its starting shortstop.

savafan
05-07-2008, 07:05 PM
Steve Phillips lost his job as a MLB GM. That's all I have to say.

*BaseClogger*
05-07-2008, 07:06 PM
all I can say is...









:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

chicoruiz
05-07-2008, 07:07 PM
None of these deals sound incredibly realistic to me....

*BaseClogger*
05-07-2008, 07:07 PM
Not one of those trades were reasonable...

reds44
05-07-2008, 07:08 PM
Why on earth would the Sox trade Quentin for Griffey. Fields brings you a ton of power, but he's probably wore then EE at 3rd and isn't much of an upgrade over Dunn in LF. I'm not even sure if the Sox would do that deal either.

The Reds can go a long way by trading Junior and Dunn and then spending their money wisely.

Unassisted
05-07-2008, 07:09 PM
Wow, I almost fell out of my chair pondering the irony of trading Dunn for Sowers.

RedsManRick
05-07-2008, 07:10 PM
- Griffey for Fields/Quentin
- Dunn for Cain/Lee & Gutierrez
- Affeldt and Burton for Hughes

I think he forgot Santana for Todd Coffey to address the Mets bullpen problem and Belisle for Granderson to fix the Tigers rotation.

He's still trying to undo the Kazmir deal. Continues to realize that both teams need to want to do a deal. Guy is just clueless. How can you get a GM job with so little understanding of player value? Ridiculous.

Pretty sad state of affairs when the biggest sports media can't see past the guy's resume.

Johnny Footstool
05-07-2008, 07:14 PM
Affeldt and Burton for Hughes is particularly ludicrous.

savafan
05-07-2008, 07:14 PM
Pretty sad state of affairs when the biggest sports media can't see past the guy's resume.

Somehow John Kruk and Rob Dibble continue to be employed as well, while Harold Reynolds sits at home.

Matt700wlw
05-07-2008, 07:15 PM
Somehow John Kruk and Rob Dibble continue to be employed as well, while Harold Reynolds sits at home.

Reynolds is doing stuff for MLB.com.

I always like Harold Reynolds

Chip R
05-07-2008, 07:16 PM
He's still trying to undo the Kazmir deal. Continues to realize that both teams need to want to do a deal. Guy is just clueless. How can you get a GM job with so little understanding of player value? Ridiculous.


I don't think it was him who traded Kazmir.

Matt700wlw
05-07-2008, 07:19 PM
You'd be right...Kazmir was traded in July of 2004...Phillips was fired in June.

RedsManRick
05-07-2008, 07:20 PM
Somehow John Kruk and Rob Dibble continue to be employed as well, while Harold Reynolds sits at home.

Reynolds is doing work for MLB.com -- who actually gets it. Fantasy 411 is the best actual baseball discussion from mainstream media out there right now.

SMcGavin
05-07-2008, 07:20 PM
Burton and Affeldt for Phil Hughes... it's so obvious, how did nobody think of it before?

RedsManRick
05-07-2008, 07:21 PM
I don't think it was him who traded Kazmir.

Yikes, that must've been Jim Duquette. My bad. Doesn't make Phillips any smarter unfortunately.

fearofpopvol1
05-07-2008, 07:22 PM
For the most part, I actually thought he targeted the right people for the Reds to move, but unless he wants to see 5 other GMs lose their jobs as he has, none of the targets were realistic at all.

reds44
05-07-2008, 07:23 PM
Burton and Affeldt for Phil Hughes... it's so obvious, how did nobody think of it before?
That sounds like a deal Krivsky would pull the trigger on if he was Yanks GM.

Cedric
05-07-2008, 07:24 PM
- Griffey for Fields/Quentin
- Dunn for Cain/Lee & Gutierrez
- Affeldt and Burton for Hughes

I think he forgot Santana for Todd Coffey to address the Mets bullpen problem and Belisle for Granderson to fix the Tigers rotation.

He's still trying to undo the Kazmir deal. Continues to realize that both teams need to want to do a deal. Guy is just clueless. How can you get a GM job with so little understanding of player value? Ridiculous.

Pretty sad state of affairs when the biggest sports media can't see past the guy's resume.

He had nothing to do with the Kazmir trade. That was Jim Duquette in all his brilliance.

Edit- Too slow.

IslandRed
05-07-2008, 07:26 PM
Affeldt and Burton for Hughes is particularly ludicrous.

Absolutely.

And yet, in a world with Hank Steinbrenner itching to make his own name and the hated Red Sox winners of two World Series since the Yankees last appeared? The day Hank decides he's had enough of that "patience" thing Cashman keeps talking about, it wouldn't hurt to be first in line.

Chip R
05-07-2008, 07:27 PM
Yikes, that must've been Jim Duquette. My bad. Doesn't make Phillips any smarter unfortunately.


Well, I can't argue with you there. :lol:

Is this a great country or what? We spend all day here
making goofy trade suggestions and Phillips gets paid for his goofy suggestions. :dunno:

SunDeck
05-07-2008, 07:27 PM
Steve Phillips lost his job as a MLB GM. That's all I have to say.

Walt Jocketty says hi. :wave:

Matt700wlw
05-07-2008, 07:28 PM
Walt Jocketty says hi. :wave:

...and Steve Phillips' track record isn't in the same ballpark as Walt Jocketty's.

Highlifeman21
05-07-2008, 07:29 PM
Well, those are some interesting ideas.

1. I agree with him that we need to (forget should, it's to the point of need now) trade Griffey. However, the SouthSiders are no longer a good target/destination for Junior. They are a franchise in disarray, and have zero use for Junior. Assuming Griffey wanted to go to the White Sox, and assuming they still wanted him, we absolutely wouldn't get either Fields or Quentin. Detroit's a better fit/target for Junior right now, that way he could platoon with Sheffield. Will it happen? Probably not.

2. I think trading Dunn is a criminally stupid idea for the Reds, and not just b/c I'm fond of Dunn. We need offense and Dunn's been a major contributor in that department since 2001. Should Jocketty decide to deal Dunn at or near the deadline, the return has to help the Reds in 2009 and going forward. The return can't move the Reds window of winning back to 2010. Like I said, mark me down for extending Dunn for 4-5 years, but I absolutely wouldn't trade him unless the return greatly improved the Reds. Such a return does not exist in a deal involving Dunn, therefore keep him.

3. Bronson needs to go, but bringing up Bailey as a direct result of trading Arroyo isn't the answer either. Trade Bronson, plug Fogg back into rotation, and then in September bring up Homer and have him be part of 3 guys for 2 rotation spots with Fogg and Belisle. At this point in time, Bronson's contract will handcuff us going forward, so we do need to salary dump him. However, just b/c we trade Arroyo doesn't mean Bailey's clock needs to be started. Wait until September.

4. I never thought I'd think this, let alone say it, but stay away from Phil Hughes. His body needs to mature and be able to endure the physical beating that is being a MLB SP. He's too injured for my liking, and I honestly wouldn't trade Burton for him right now unless I was absolutely sure we weren't getting damaged or potentially damaged goods. I'm hoping we'll be able to get something that will help us for the future by trading Affeldt, but I'm not holding my breath.

5. Not only do I trade Ryan Freel, but I trade Alex Gonzalez. Trade em both. Bring up Janish, and plug him in as a defensive specialist. Or, if you don't wanna go that route, b/c Janish may not AVG or OBP his weight at the MLB level, then leave him down in AAA and use Hairston as a back up SS. Or get really crazy and use Phillips as the "back up" SS, and if Kountry Kepp (I just like it spelled better with 2 Ks) needs a day off slide Phillips over to SS and plug Hairston in @ 2B. Where do I trade Freel and Gonzalez? At this point, I don't see the Dodgers needing Freel, and I don't see anyone needing Gonzalez. But regardless, find a suitor and give them away for peanuts. Use the money saved for 2009 to go overpay for someone in FA.

klw
05-07-2008, 09:31 PM
Gee I was joking when I threw these out there yesterday but I think Phillips would give the go ahead to put me on the ESPN team. I think these would help fix the Reds too.

Fogg and Majewski for Hanley Ramirez
Arroyo and Coffee for Pujols
Weathers and Lehr for Joe Mauer
Belisle and Matt Maloney for Justin Upton

KronoRed
05-07-2008, 09:40 PM
Steve Phillips lost his job as a MLB GM. That's all I have to say.

So did the current Reds GM ;)

guttle11
05-07-2008, 09:51 PM
Steve Phillips for President!

Chip R
05-07-2008, 09:58 PM
Steve Phillips for President!


Yes! Then he'd stop writing for ESPN.

jojo
05-07-2008, 10:03 PM
I'd rather trade Burton and Affeldt for Brandon Webb.

guttle11
05-07-2008, 10:09 PM
I'd rather trade Burton and Affeldt for Brandon Webb.

It would open the spot for Scherzer the D'Backs owner has been pining for...

GAC
05-07-2008, 10:28 PM
Someone needs to fix Steve Phillips. :lol:

toledodan
05-07-2008, 10:48 PM
but unless he wants to see 5 other GMs lose their jobs as he has, none of the targets were realistic at all.

maybe thats what he wants so he can have one of theirs.:D

TRF
05-07-2008, 11:01 PM
That sounds like a deal Krivsky would pull the trigger on if he was Yanks GM.

actually it sounds like a deal WK would do if he were the Reds GM. Flip a rule V and a spare part for a high upside SP with some issues.

reds44
05-07-2008, 11:06 PM
actually it sounds like a deal WK would do if he were the Reds GM. Flip a rule V and a spare part for a high upside SP with some issues.
Yeah but the Reds are trading pitching in that deal, not offense.

TRF
05-07-2008, 11:17 PM
I think WK got better as he went along. his biggest splash will always be Arroyo and BP, but his best moves came after the 2006 season.

Team Clark
05-08-2008, 12:06 AM
Sounds like he has been spending too much time on Redszone....

Bill
05-08-2008, 12:58 AM
Lee was AL pitcher of the month and seems to have found it and more with a reasonable contract, Cleveland is desperate for offense but not at that cost.

The time to deal for Lee was the off-season when he was being shopped. A few here wanted him though I thought he was done as his k's and attitude had declined yearly. It seems though he decided to use his fastball more as the coaches had been asking him to do and it is working.

I was wrong about Lee but I did say I like Laffey whom I noted with his outrageous GB:FB ratio of nearly 3 would be perfect in GABP. Laffey has excelled in both Buffalo and now Cleveland, no-hitting the yanks for 5 in his first game up. I also stated Sowers should rebound and he has pitched well this year.

nate
05-08-2008, 08:06 AM
Sounds like he has been spending too much time on Redszone....

Or in "Dynasty Mode" with "Force Trades" turned on.

smith288
05-08-2008, 08:56 AM
Phillips has been playing MVP 2005 baseball with CPU trade rejection turned to off.

edabbs44
05-08-2008, 09:24 AM
I think WK got better as he went along. his biggest splash will always be Arroyo and BP, but his best moves came after the 2006 season.

His worst ones were in that time period as well.

RedsBaron
05-08-2008, 09:29 AM
I'd rather trade Burton and Affeldt for Brandon Webb.

Hey, that one be giving the D'Backs two players and only getting one in return; ask Arizona to add Danny Haren to the deal. ;)

Matt700wlw
05-08-2008, 06:06 PM
A rather snarky take on the article from mlbtraderumors.com :)

Steve Phillips's Moronic Guide To The Reds

I was sent this ESPN The Magazine article, and wow, I'm just blown over with its utter stupidity. Of course, it's by Steve Phillips, so this comes as little surprise. But still, it's low, even by his standards. Hopefully you all have a good chuckle at it.

Phillips's first idea is for the Reds should call up the ChiSox and offer up Ken Griffey for Josh Fields or Carlos Quentin. Let's substitute names for a second. He thinks that the Reds should trade a 38-year-old outfielder in the final year of his contract -- who is hitting .244/.317/.378 -- for either a 25-year-old outfielder who is hitting considerably better, or a 25-year-old third baseman. Of course they should! The only problem is getting Ken Williams drunk enough to say yes.

Next on the list: unload Adam Dunn. The 28-year-old can still get on base and mash, and can be an asset to a contender. So who does he think are fitting targets? The Blue Jays for starters. What should they ask for? Adam Lind and Dustin McGowan or Shawn Marcum. All the sarcasm in the world can't fully capture the stupidity of that idea. Another target is Cleveland. What's the haul, Steve? Cliff Lee, and then one of Franklin Gutierrez, Jeremy Sowers, or Aaron Laffey. Yep. Nothing like trading your pitcher with a 0.81 ERA for a three-outcome slugger in his walk year.

For a break in the laughter, he suggests trading Bronson Arroyo and bringing up Homer Bailey. That's fine and good, especially since he doesn't name names.

Here's my personal favorite. Call up Hank Steinbrenner and completely circumvent GM Brian Cashman on this deal, because apparently Phillips thinks Steinbrenner is a raging moron who smokes PCP dipped in embalming fluid. Make him an offer he can't refuse: Jared Burton and Jeremy Affeldt for Phil Hughes. Hey, Burton has 22 strikeouts in 15.2 innings, so he must be good! Nevermind that it's a terribly small sample (he also has a 4.02 ERA in those innings). Nevermind that Burton has never had that kind of strikeout success above A ball, and that this might just be a fluke.

But no, because Phil Hughes has struggled through the season's first month, he's got to go. And as an added bonus, Joba Chamberlain can move to the rotation! Nevermind that this is the plan anyway. You can only do it if you trade Hughes for two relievers! Yes, because two relievers is absolutely a fitting price for a 21-year-old pitcher who in 2007 was rated the best pitching prospect in the game.

His final idea is to trade Ryan Freel for Scott Proctor. Eh. Not bad enough to throw around some more snark.

The crazy thing is, I remember when a team made a series of moves like this, where they gave up all the crap on their roster and turned it into an All-Star lineup. It was my team in MVP Baseball 2005. Man, we rocked. I should have made Steve Phillips the honorary GM of the team.

gm
05-08-2008, 07:48 PM
Steve Phillips fixes the Reds? Wow, if it were only that easy

(Hopefully, BCast didn't read that article, or he'll be thinking to himself "how quick can I get rid of Walt and hire this Phillips fellow...he's a real go-getter!")

Unassisted
05-08-2008, 09:25 PM
A Yankees blogger weighs in...

http://riverascutter.wordpress.com/2008/05/08/steve-phillips-master-of-the-trade/


First things first: I know I don’t follow the NL that well, but I follow it more than the average person, for fantasy purposes if nothing else, and I don’t even know who Jared Burton is. Getting him will allow the Yankees to move Joba to the rotation? Will it make Joba’s innings limit suddenly increase by 50 innings? Because that’s why he’s not in the rotation. The Yankees have other options for the 8th inning (and sure maybe they’re not as good as Joba (few are) but they’re probably as good or better than Jared Burton). The Yankees decided not to trade Phil Hughes for Johan Santana. But sure, Hank will be happy to send him to Cincy for a couple of relievers.

Two of Phillips’ other trades:

Ken Griffey, Jr. to the White Sox for Josh Fields or Carlos Quentin. White Sox GM Ken Williams isn’t that dumb. Sure, talent wise this deal might make sense. But Griffey is old and makes a ton of money. Fields and Quentin are young and make very little and won’t make much in the near future.

Adam Dunn for Matt Cain, or Adam Lind and Dustin McGowan, or Cliff Lee and another useful player. Phillips clearly does not understand the value of youth. Maybe the Giants would be dumb enough to make this trade but I promise you no one else would be. Money Matters. Dunn is making the current market rate for a player of his ability while all the other players mentioned are on their initial deals (ie, are cheap). The fact that Phillips does not understand this simple idea is amazing (though it does explain a lot about his tenure with the Mets).

I wish the Yankees would hire Steve Phillips, maybe then he could trade Jason Giambi for Joe Saunders and then move Johnny Damon for Matt Kemp and James Loney.

smith288
05-09-2008, 10:41 AM
A Yankees blogger weighs in...

http://riverascutter.wordpress.com/2008/05/08/steve-phillips-master-of-the-trade/
That's hillarious. The whole baseball world knows of Phillips stupidity yet ESPN still spots him a check.

princeton
05-09-2008, 10:51 AM
Steve Phillips fixes the Reds? Wow, if it were only that easy

(Hopefully, BCast didn't read that article, or he'll be thinking to himself "how quick can I get rid of Walt and hire this Phillips fellow...he's a real go-getter!")

yep, this seed may germinate in Cast's head and two years from now, bam.

MartyFan
05-09-2008, 02:28 PM
I think Phillips is onto something...or at least on something...maybe crack?