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Blitz Dorsey
05-09-2008, 09:27 PM
We knew he wasn't good, but he's even worse than we thought. Austin me boy has managed to follow up his awful 2007 season with an even worse 2008 so far:

.216, 3 HR and Dumbo still wants his ears back.

http://aol.baseball.sportsline.com/players/playerpage/181966

Patrick Bateman
05-09-2008, 10:14 PM
Time to change my username?

TRF
05-09-2008, 10:26 PM
meanwhile FeLo has won his job back, and is getting on base. the power is gone, but the OBP is back.

Joseph
05-09-2008, 10:55 PM
FeLo I think has some talent, just is far too obtuse to accept help improving his game. Kearns has never been the same since Ray King.

PuffyPig
05-09-2008, 11:45 PM
meanwhile FeLo has won his job back, and is getting on base. the power is gone, but the OBP is back.


.339 OBA, .682 OPS won't get it done.

fearofpopvol1
05-09-2008, 11:48 PM
Don't worry...Kearns still has his defenders. Someone will talk about how park factors don't tell the whole story about his poor batting average and how exceptional his defense is.

Actually, maybe they won't this time around. It's going to be pretty hard to defend.

Reds1
05-09-2008, 11:55 PM
This trade may end up being ok. Especially with the 3rd guy we got. Forgot his name, but doing well in the minors. Bray back up. I hate to see it actually. I was a big Kearns fan! I'd take him over Patterson. :)

MrCinatit
05-10-2008, 02:20 AM
I was looking at his numbers earlier today and thought of making a similar thread. Yeah, his numbers are simply miserable.
Lopez might be doing a bit better, but I will take Phillips and Kepp over him any day.
Meanwhile, I noticed Wagner hasn't pitched yet this year - and when he did last year, he was getting shelled. Heck of a ball club JimBo is building over there.

Patrick Bateman
05-10-2008, 02:28 AM
Don't worry...Kearns still has his defenders. Someone will talk about how park factors don't tell the whole story about his poor batting average and how exceptional his defense is.

Actually, maybe they won't this time around. It's going to be pretty hard to defend.

Is it too late to play the small sample size card?

Wheelhouse
05-10-2008, 02:56 AM
Hmmm... you want real stink? Here's Adam Dunn's stats when the game is "close and late" according to ESPN: .176 BA, .333 OBP, .176 SLG [!!], .509 OPS -- not an offensive powerhouse.

Here's Kearns in the same "close and late" situation: .259 BA, 1 HR, .412 OBP, .370 SLG, .782 OPS. Mix in Kearns' DEFENSE, where a case does not need to be made against Dunn's, with his having rented a forklift to track down fly balls, and consider the laughable situational hitting on the Reds, I'll take Kearns' year so far over Dunn's.

Always Red
05-10-2008, 05:44 AM
Kearns has actually been hitting better since May 1st: .310/.412/.414

He was at a season low of .182 on April 30th, and hit an anemic .161/.278/.247 for the month of April.

My hunch is that Austin will be back to his usual .265/.350/.450 by the end of the year.

oneupper
05-10-2008, 08:11 AM
Kearns and FeLo were not worth the money they were making and what they were due to make.

Krivsky recognized that "negative value" and traded them for a couple of smaller negative values (Clayton, Maj), a spare part (Bray) and a lotto ticket (Thompson).

Highlifeman21
05-10-2008, 08:12 AM
Hmmm... you want real stink? Here's Adam Dunn's stats when the game is "close and late" according to ESPN: .176 BA, .333 OBP, .176 SLG [!!], .509 OPS -- not an offensive powerhouse.

Here's Kearns in the same "close and late" situation: .259 BA, 1 HR, .412 OBP, .370 SLG, .782 OPS. Mix in Kearns' DEFENSE, where a case does not need to be made against Dunn's, with his having rented a forklift to track down fly balls, and consider the laughable situational hitting on the Reds, I'll take Kearns' year so far over Dunn's.

Of course you would, being one of the biggest Dunn bashers on this board.

But let's cherry pick close and late stats to make a blanket statement about a player, b/c that's sound logic...

You'd probably take Andy Green over Dunn on the Reds' roster, too.

pahster
05-10-2008, 08:40 AM
Hmmm... you want real stink? Here's Adam Dunn's stats when the game is "close and late" according to ESPN: .176 BA, .333 OBP, .176 SLG [!!], .509 OPS -- not an offensive powerhouse.

Here's Kearns in the same "close and late" situation: .259 BA, 1 HR, .412 OBP, .370 SLG, .782 OPS. Mix in Kearns' DEFENSE, where a case does not need to be made against Dunn's, with his having rented a forklift to track down fly balls, and consider the laughable situational hitting on the Reds, I'll take Kearns' year so far over Dunn's.

Oh come on; you're talking about 21 PA. For his career, Dunn has a line of .232/.374/.483/.858 in close and late situations. That's quite a bit better (and a much larger sample) than what you've tossed up on this thread. Personally, I think the split is specious. Runs all count the same no matter when they score.

WMR
05-10-2008, 08:46 AM
Hmmm... you want real stink? Here's Adam Dunn's stats when the game is "close and late" according to ESPN: .176 BA, .333 OBP, .176 SLG [!!], .509 OPS -- not an offensive powerhouse.

Here's Kearns in the same "close and late" situation: .259 BA, 1 HR, .412 OBP, .370 SLG, .782 OPS. Mix in Kearns' DEFENSE, where a case does not need to be made against Dunn's, with his having rented a forklift to track down fly balls, and consider the laughable situational hitting on the Reds, I'll take Kearns' year so far over Dunn's.

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BuckeyeRedleg
05-10-2008, 08:46 AM
The irony here, wheel, is that you've said on many occasions that stats are misused and don't tell the whole story.

Then you throw up a stat with 21 plate appearances to try to back up your agenda against a certain player.

RedsFan75
05-10-2008, 09:53 AM
So wheelhouse it really Marty B???


Who knew!

Matt700wlw
05-10-2008, 10:36 AM
Time to change my username?

You mean, you're not the REAL Austin Kearns? ;)

PuffyPig
05-10-2008, 11:07 AM
You mean, you're not the REAL Austin Kearns? ;)

Well, he may be, but he's not admitting it now....

jojo
05-10-2008, 11:46 AM
Don't worry...Kearns still has his defenders. Someone will talk about how park factors don't tell the whole story about his poor batting average and how exceptional his defense is.

Actually, maybe they won't this time around. It's going to be pretty hard to defend.

The question that should be asked is does his current line reflect his true talent or in other words, does it represent what we should expect from his next 400 PAs.....

I'm guessing no.

Joseph
05-10-2008, 11:54 AM
Runs all count the same no matter when they score.

Wait one cotton picking minute here!

If there is a runner on first with nobody out and Dunn homers it counts just the same as a single with runners at second and third and two outs?

So what you are saying is two runs are two runs no matter when or how they cross the plate?

You my friend, just blew my mind!

Raisor
05-10-2008, 12:00 PM
Wait one cotton picking minute here!

If there is a runner on first with nobody out and Dunn homers it counts just the same as a single with runners at second and third and two outs?

So what you are saying is two runs are two runs no matter when or how they cross the plate?

You my friend, just blew my mind!

Well in those two scenerios, Dunn's runs are "soft".

jojo
05-10-2008, 12:04 PM
Wait one cotton picking minute here!

If there is a runner on first with nobody out and Dunn homers it counts just the same as a single with runners at second and third and two outs?

So what you are saying is two runs are two runs no matter when or how they cross the plate?

You my friend, just blew my mind!

What's the score and what inning? :cool:

Joseph
05-10-2008, 12:09 PM
What's the score and what inning? :cool:

Clearly the home run would only come when we are up 7 or down 7, and the single would be in the bottom of the 9th with two outs and down a run.

:D

4256 Hits
05-10-2008, 02:02 PM
IMeanwhile, I noticed Wagner hasn't pitched yet this year - and when he did last year, he was getting shelled. Heck of a ball club JimBo is building over there.

Wagner blew is arm out like in June of last year. I think he is out for the year and very likely is done as a pitcher.

The Baumer
05-10-2008, 02:09 PM
Kearns DIPs is +4 above league average and 145th all-time for comparable major league right fielders stretching back to 1998. Meanwhile Dunn is -1 and doesn't rank in the top 200. I think that shines a light on why Kearns is more a valuable asset at this time in his career than Dunn.

jojo
05-10-2008, 03:03 PM
Kearns DIPs is +4 above league average and 145th all-time for comparable major league right fielders stretching back to 1998. Meanwhile Dunn is -1 and doesn't rank in the top 200. I think that shines a light on why Kearns is more a valuable asset at this time in his career than Dunn.

Several play by play based metrics suggest Kearns is an elite defensive rightfielder.