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New Fever
05-10-2008, 06:33 PM
Jay Bruce just hit a 3-run homer

Homer Bailey gave up two in the first.

Louisville leads 3-2 in the bottom of the first.

Buckeye33
05-10-2008, 06:34 PM
Stupid Bruce, should have been patient and walked.

;)

Aronchis
05-10-2008, 06:37 PM
Bailey looks hungover. If your going to party the night before you pitch, at least showup and tough it out.

Buckeye33
05-10-2008, 06:50 PM
Bailey gives up a double and a walk in the 2nd, but gets out of it without giving up a run.

42 pitches through 2 innings, only 24 strikes.

reds44
05-10-2008, 06:54 PM
Jay Bruce is good.

Aronchis
05-10-2008, 07:11 PM
I wonder if the Reds have had enough of Bailey and will dump him(he isn't going to fetch much on the market). Either give 100% or go find another team that will deal with your crap. With Thompson waiting in the wings, that makes it all the easier.

BigRed07
05-10-2008, 07:11 PM
Turner,Frazier and Francisco back to back to back doubles
Sarasota leads 3-0.

Buckeye33
05-10-2008, 07:11 PM
Bailey gives up another hit and a walk but gets a strike em out throw em out DP to end the 3rd.

60 pitches, only 33 strikes.

3 IP 5 H 2 R 2 W 1 K

Bruce is up 2nd in the bottom of the 3rd.

Buckeye33
05-10-2008, 07:15 PM
Bruce Ks on 3 pitches in the 3rd. It was looking.

Degenerate39
05-10-2008, 07:16 PM
I wonder if the Reds have had enough of Bailey and will dump him(he isn't going to fetch much on the market). Either give 100% or go find another team that will deal with your crap. With Thompson waiting in the wings, that makes it all the easier.

You can't honestly be serious. The guy is only what 20 years old? 21? Yeah let's toss him out because he's having a bad outing. I can't believe this is even being discussed. And who says the Reds can't have Thompson AND Bailey? The more good pitching a team has in the farm system the better they'll be later on.

Aronchis
05-10-2008, 07:17 PM
That last AB by Bruce is why he shouldn't be called up just yet. With the arb numbers and DOA season for the Reds, there is no reason to rush him.

Buckeye33
05-10-2008, 07:18 PM
You can't honestly be serious. The guy is only what 20 years old? 21? Yeah let's toss him out because he's having a bad outing. I can't believe this is even being discussed. And who says the Reds can't have Thompson AND Bailey? The more good pitching a team has in the farm system the better they'll be later on.

Many a folk here on Redzone have put Mr. Archonis on their ignore list. I just laugh every time he says something stupid. However, he isn't always wrong on some of his comments either.

NC Reds
05-10-2008, 07:18 PM
Use the ignore feature Degenerate. I do.

Buckeye33
05-10-2008, 07:19 PM
That last AB by Bruce is why he shouldn't be called up just yet. With the arb numbers and DOA season for the Reds, there is no reason to rush him.

It's never fun to strike out on 3 pitches, but I'd be willing to be that every player in the major leagues has done it at least once in their minor league careers.

It happens.

Buckeye33
05-10-2008, 07:21 PM
Jolbert Cabrera triples in 2. 5-2 Bats, still batting in the 3rd.

Aronchis
05-10-2008, 07:25 PM
You can't honestly be serious. The guy is only what 20 years old? 21? Yeah let's toss him out because he's having a bad outing. I can't believe this is even being discussed. And who says the Reds can't have Thompson AND Bailey? The more good pitching a team has in the farm system the better they'll be later on.

Bailey likes to party more than pitch. When I lived in Dayton in 2003-5, I went to a number of Dragon games and the little birdy going around was Homer had issues with partying and putting in the time to develope his pitching skills. He made some good progress in 2006 but has backslid. He didn't look healthy tonight and it isn't easy to pitch when you have a headscreaming hangover. I figure some others on this forum have heard that "birdy" as well, but I didn't want to mention it for fear of getting flamed, but I don't think we can ignore it any longer.

Lets note the progress he made coming out of spring training has been lost. Rob Bell's career went down the tubes because he didn't develope his gifted arm. Homer is going the same route. Who is this years Ruben Mateo?

Degenerate39
05-10-2008, 07:31 PM
Bailey likes to party more than pitch. When I lived in Dayton in 2003-5, I went to a number of Dragon games and the little birdy going around was Homer had issues with partying and putting in the time to develope his pitching skills. He made some good progress in 2006 but has backslid. He didn't look healthy tonight and it isn't easy to pitch when you have a headscreaming hangover. I figure some others on this forum have heard that "birdy" as well, but I didn't want to mention it for fear of getting flamed, but I don't think we can ignore it any longer.


Yeah the Yankees should've released Mickey Mantle because he liked the night life too.

Buckeye33
05-10-2008, 07:32 PM
A better inning for Bailey in the 4th. He gave up a ground ball single with 2 outs and got the pitcher to end the inning.

Only 8 or 9 pitches that inning. 70 pitches, 40 strikes.

Aronchis
05-10-2008, 07:34 PM
Yeah the Yankees should've released Mickey Mantle because he liked the night life too.

Mantle brought the goods however. Homer isn't. He should be much further along then he is, but because he isn't putting in the time to improve his pitching skills, he is stagnating. Homer has been given a great gift, just about any of us would kill to have his arm and athletic ability. He seems quite content to just throw it away.

NC Reds
05-10-2008, 07:34 PM
Ugh. Quit quoting him! It defeats the ignore feature.

Matt700wlw
05-10-2008, 07:34 PM
Jay Bruce just hit a 3-run homer


Yup. Not ready.

Matt700wlw
05-10-2008, 07:37 PM
Yeah the Yankees should've released Mickey Mantle because he liked the night life too.

Babe Ruth too....

Degenerate39
05-10-2008, 07:46 PM
Ugh. Quit quoting him! It defeats the ignore feature.

Sorry NC it won't happen again.

PuffyPig
05-10-2008, 07:48 PM
Considering that Bailey is one of the youngest players in AAA, I'd suggest that his development is well ahead of schedule.

His development is certainly more advanced than some of the posters here.

Caveat Emperor
05-10-2008, 07:49 PM
Yeah the Yankees should've released Mickey Mantle because he liked the night life too.

Seriously, who would want the greatest switch hitter to ever pick up a baseball bat?

;)

Aronchis
05-10-2008, 07:54 PM
Considering that Bailey is one of the youngest players in AAA, I'd suggest that his development is well ahead of schedule.

His development is certainly more advanced than some of the posters here.

That is the point. Homer's development is doa. If he doesn't make a effort, there is no development. Tonight was just sick more ways than one. Time to send him a message.

Matt700wlw
05-10-2008, 07:55 PM
You're....I'm not sure, exactly.

NC Reds
05-10-2008, 08:00 PM
Bruce singles. 2-3

Matt700wlw
05-10-2008, 08:03 PM
How dare him get another hit

pahster
05-10-2008, 08:03 PM
Bailey likes to party more than pitch. When I lived in Dayton in 2003-5, I went to a number of Dragon games and the little birdy going around was Homer had issues with partying and putting in the time to develope his pitching skills. He made some good progress in 2006 but has backslid. He didn't look healthy tonight and it isn't easy to pitch when you have a headscreaming hangover. I figure some others on this forum have heard that "birdy" as well, but I didn't want to mention it for fear of getting flamed, but I don't think we can ignore it any longer.


Well that's evidence enough for me. Cut 'im!

:rolleyes:

Matt700wlw
05-10-2008, 08:04 PM
Send him to AA....and I don't mean Chattanooga...:)

Aronchis
05-10-2008, 08:05 PM
Well that's evidence enough for me. Cut 'im!

:rolleyes:

Nope, the evidence is in his performance. I bet the Reds tried giving him away this offseason and they couldn't get anything of value.

Matt700wlw
05-10-2008, 08:07 PM
Wow.

Really.

Now now he's so bad, they can't even GIVE away a 21 year old, upper tier, hard throwing prospect. Teams don't want those.

pahster
05-10-2008, 08:13 PM
Nope, the evidence is in his performance. I bet the Reds tried giving him away this offseason and they couldn't get anything of value.

Right. Well then I guess every other pitcher who's ever had a bad day is an abject failure too.

PuffyPig
05-10-2008, 08:15 PM
It's hard to imagine that Bailey's stock fell so bad that they couldn't dump him;yet, BA says he's still a Top 10 prospect.

It's hard to give any credability to someone who makes outrageous posts after posts.

Sure he's right sometimes; whenever a Reds prospect does bad. When you flame them all,you will be right sometime.

And I've heard a story relating to Aronchis and a little birdy....

Aronchis
05-10-2008, 08:22 PM
It's hard to imagine that Bailey's stock fell so bad that they couldn't dump him;yet, BA says he's still a Top 10 prospect.

It's hard to give any credability to someone who makes outrageous posts after posts.

Sure he's right sometimes; whenever a Reds prospect does bad. When you flame them all,you will be right sometime.

And I've heard a story relating to Aronchis and a little birdy....

He won't be a top 10 prospect anymore. The guy hasn't been the same since 2006. Put him back in AA. Lets see if he can match what he did there as a 20 year old. I bet he can't. You guys can try and use excuses all you want, but he doesn't look very good. Either his arm was hurting so bad is showed on his face or he was sick. Sweet just sorta left him in their to take the beating too.

I should also note, Homer's velocity has been down ALOT the last 2 starts. Yet, he was touching 97mph earlier in the season.

PuffyPig
05-10-2008, 08:26 PM
The point was that you said no one wanted him in the off season; yet he was still atop 10 propsect then. What he did this season or tonight has no bearing on that argument.

Aronchis
05-10-2008, 08:27 PM
The point was that you said no one wanted him in the off season; yet he was still atop 10 propsect then. What he did this season or tonight has no bearing on that argument.

BA isn't a bible. If they knew Bailey's problems, he wouldn't have been ranked at all.

jmac
05-10-2008, 08:43 PM
The last post concerning Bailey's night was at 6:32.(numbers wise and not the debate)
Is he done and if so, what was his line ?

Nevermind.
Found it !

reds44
05-10-2008, 08:51 PM
Bruce: 2-4, HR, 3 RBI
Rosales: 1-3
Herrera: 1.2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K

NC Reds
05-10-2008, 08:55 PM
Janish homers. Louisville is up 8-7 now.

NC Reds
05-10-2008, 09:21 PM
Frazier homers for Sarasota. 3-4 tonight. He's the real deal.

Heisey has 15 doubles already this season.

reds44
05-10-2008, 09:37 PM
Bruce ended up 2-4 with a 3 run HR and a BB.

tbball10
05-10-2008, 09:41 PM
Well Frazier has jumped to number one of all Reds prospects... However, Bailey and Valaika put themselves in danger of being demoted, if not outright released with their performances today. The bad part is that they didn't even have the worst day of the Reds prospects. That award belongs to Mr. Jay Bruce for embarrassing himself, his family, and the entire Reds organization, by striking out on THREE PITCHES!!.. First time in baseball history folks.

Trade idea: Bruce and Bailey for 2 Low-A prospects who performed well on May 10, 2008. If they don't pan out, we still have Daryl Thompson, Jordan Smith, and B.J. Szymanski. It's a win-win.

Slyder
05-10-2008, 10:12 PM
welcome to Ignoreville Population:1.

Youre not only a resident youre the reason its there.

fearofpopvol1
05-10-2008, 10:25 PM
What was Bailey's final line?

membengal
05-10-2008, 10:27 PM
Pretty sure that was Grade A snark from tbball, slyder.

OesterPoster
05-10-2008, 10:29 PM
Scott Carroll tonight for the Dragons: 5 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 0 BB, 4 Ks

Dragons leading 2-1 currently.

Dragons won the 1st game, 7-6. Montano with another win, and Logan Parker with 4 RBIs.

Screwball
05-10-2008, 10:34 PM
Well Frazier has jumped to number one of all Reds prospects... However, Bailey and Valaika put themselves in danger of being demoted, if not outright released with their performances today. The bad part is that they didn't even have the worst day of the Reds prospects. That award belongs to Mr. Jay Bruce for embarrassing himself, his family, and the entire Reds organization, by striking out on THREE PITCHES!!.. First time in baseball history folks.

Trade idea: Bruce and Bailey for 2 Low-A prospects who performed well on May 10, 2008. If they don't pan out, we still have Daryl Thompson, Jordan Smith, and B.J. Szymanski. It's a win-win.

:clap:

reds44
05-10-2008, 10:38 PM
Notables from tonight:
Bruce: 2-4, HR, 3 RBI, BB
Herrera: 1.2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K

Lecure: 5 IP, 6 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 7 K
Fisher: 2 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 3 K
Roenicke: 1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 0 K

Turner: 2-4, 2B, 2 R
Frazier: 3-4, 2B, HR, 3 RBI
Francisco: 4-4, 2 2B, RBI
Stubbs: 0-4, 3 K
Smith: 8.2 IP, 5 H, 1 R, 0 BB, 4 K

Dayton is playing 2.

Game 1:
Jones: 2-2, RBI, 2 BB
Waring: 1-3
Mesoraco: 1-3

Game 2 in the 6th:
Waring: 2-3
Reed: 1-2
Carroll: 6 IP, 5 H, 1 R, 0 BB, 4 K

JaxRed
05-10-2008, 10:48 PM
Nice to see Carroll doing well after slow start. I'll never forget in Spring Training when I saw him with icepack on arm but no jersey, I said something to him , and followed it up with " i guess you're a pitcher"..

He says "oh, I'm sorry, Scott Carroll"... and exends his hand....

Like he had an obligation to say who he was to some guy just watching.....

Good kid, I'm rooting for him

HBP
05-10-2008, 11:38 PM
Well Frazier has jumped to number one of all Reds prospects... However, Bailey and Valaika put themselves in danger of being demoted, if not outright released with their performances today. The bad part is that they didn't even have the worst day of the Reds prospects. That award belongs to Mr. Jay Bruce for embarrassing himself, his family, and the entire Reds organization, by striking out on THREE PITCHES!!.. First time in baseball history folks.

Trade idea: Bruce and Bailey for 2 Low-A prospects who performed well on May 10, 2008. If they don't pan out, we still have Daryl Thompson, Jordan Smith, and B.J. Szymanski. It's a win-win.

:laugh:

tbball10
05-11-2008, 12:22 AM
Pretty sure that was Grade A snark from tbball, slyder.

yes it was. im not an idiot.

Blue
05-11-2008, 01:01 AM
Justin Reed is starting to look promising. Having a great month.

membengal
05-11-2008, 09:55 AM
yes it was. im not an idiot.

Yup. You are not. I got your back.

And...heh. Pretty dang funny...

*BaseClogger*
05-11-2008, 08:14 PM
Homer Bailey 2008 is very comparable to Edinson Volquez 2007. Edinson Volquez got the Rangers Josh Hamilton in return. To assert that Homer Bailey has no trade value is clueless...

reds44
05-11-2008, 08:57 PM
Homer Bailey 2008 is very comparable to Edinson Volquez 2007. Edinson Volquez got the Rangers Josh Hamilton in return. To assert that Homer Bailey has no trade value is clueless...
Can we deal Homer for Hamilton?

Aronchis
05-12-2008, 04:11 PM
Homer Bailey 2008 is very comparable to Edinson Volquez 2007. Edinson Volquez got the Rangers Josh Hamilton in return. To assert that Homer Bailey has no trade value is clueless...

Uh, no it isn't. 2008 Homer Bailey sucks. A low k, moderate velocity pitcher with unrefined offspeed stuff. Look at the numbers, except.

Volquez was ripping up AAA last year with strikeouts.

Homer needs to get back to fireballing and not worrying about every little thing. The Reds once again, are about as nihilistic as they come.

Matt700wlw
05-12-2008, 04:12 PM
Case in point