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redsrule2500
05-14-2008, 04:31 PM
How much of an effect does GABP have on Dunn's value? He would most likely be hitting under 40 home runs for the past few years, have less than 100 RBIs, a high K rate, and terrible defense.

I agree that most of Dunn's HRs would be gone anywhere, but I think you could shave a few off of his totals.

I think we are overpaying for Dunn, and we should unload him ASAP because he isn't the player everyone thinks he is. 6 Homers this far into the season is also somewhat scary....

Thoughts?

Will M
05-14-2008, 04:33 PM
How much of an effect does GABP have on Dunn's value? He would most likely be hitting under 40 home runs for the past few years, have less than 100 RBIs, a high K rate, and terrible defense.

I think we are overpaying for Dunn, and we should unload him ASAP because he isn't the player everyone thinks he is. 6 Homers this far into the season is also somewhat scary....

Thoughts?

1. i think a lot of Dunn's homers would be out anywhere. GABP probably has less effect on his numbers than say Hat or Phillips

2. i think he is a very good offensive player

3. he is terrible defensively.

4. IMO he is lazy

5. i will be happy when he is gone

OnBaseMachine
05-14-2008, 04:38 PM
Dunn's power could play in any park. Very, very little of his homeruns are wall scrapers or cheap GABP homeruns. In 2006 the Reds played a three games series in Comerica Park and Dunn went 4-for-12 with a double and two homeruns. Since Petco Park (probably the best pitchers park in baseball) opened in 2004, Dunn has hit five homeruns in 46 atbats there. Those big parks haven't hurt Dunn before and never will - he's one of the few guys who has the power to hit 40+ homeruns no matter what ballpark he plays in.

Highlifeman21
05-14-2008, 04:41 PM
How much of an effect does GABP have on Dunn's value? He would most likely be hitting under 40 home runs for the past few years, have less than 100 RBIs, a high K rate, and terrible defense.

I think we are overpaying for Dunn, and we should unload him ASAP because he isn't the player everyone thinks he is. 6 Homers this far into the season is also somewhat scary....

Thoughts?


So Dunn's a product of GABP?

That's a new one from the anti-Dunn crowd.

So far in 2008, he's actually putting up better numbers on the road, than at GABP.


Dunn Year by Year Road vs Home OPS Splits

Year Home Away
2008* .683 .796
2007 .965 .916
2006 .864 .847
2005 1.057 .805
2004 .990 .925
2003 .888 .740
2002 .896 .814

* = to date

2005 and 2003 are the only years that actually support any claim that Dunn is a product of GABP. All of the other years, any difference in the Home vs Road isn't enough to write home to Mom about.

harangatang
05-14-2008, 05:15 PM
How much of an effect does GABP have on Dunn's value? He would most likely be hitting under 40 home runs for the past few years, have less than 100 RBIs, a high K rate, and terrible defense.

I agree that most of Dunn's HRs would be gone anywhere, but I think you could shave a few off of his totals.I think would benefit from having protection in the lineup in Detroit and the park factor would become moot.

CTA513
05-14-2008, 05:39 PM
If he played in Detroit he could DH.

lollipopcurve
05-14-2008, 05:41 PM
2005 and 2003 are the only years that actually support any claim that Dunn is a product of GABP. All of the other years, any difference in the Home vs Road isn't enough to write home to Mom about.

It's one of the best hitters parks around. It stands to reason it would help him, just like it would help every hitter. 2008 is the anomaly, and it's likely to change.


So Dunn's a product of GABP?

That's a new one from the anti-Dunn crowd.

Relax. One poster suggests Dunn would have less value if he played in a pitchers park (perfectly sane conjecture), and you're running to the rescue against "the anti-Dunn crowd." Talk about polarizing analysis.......

RedlegJake
05-14-2008, 06:27 PM
Relax. One poster suggests Dunn would have less value if he played in a pitchers park (perfectly sane conjecture), and you're running to the rescue against "the anti-Dunn crowd." Talk about polarizing analysis.......

Simply put there is an anti Dunn crowd. And a pro Dunn crowd. He IS polarizing, perhaps more than any player I've seen. Things like "IMHO opinion he's lazy". At least Will took pains to make it his opinion. That sort of thing is simply stated as fact too often. Not too long ago we had the poster who claimed without a bit of evidence he was hung over because reports said he was feeling under the weather and that was supposedly code that he was drunk the night before. It just seems difficult to have a rational discussion of Adam Dunn. I read these posts hoping to glean something new but its generally its the same old stuff ad infinitum.

Raisor
05-14-2008, 07:00 PM
4. IMO he is lazy



I hear he's mean to puppies and kicks old ladies.

blumj
05-14-2008, 07:06 PM
I think we are overpaying for Dunn
If you think he's expensive now, wait until you see what he gets on the free agent market.

kbrake
05-14-2008, 07:13 PM
I really don't get why Dunn is such a polarizing figure. This team would be so much better next year if Dunn stays. Its not like Adam Dunn is Eric Milton and he is holding this team back. I know alot of people here think this team is a few years away, I think they could be good next year. An offense built around Dunn is a good start.

Though if Dusty continues to show he has no clue how to use an Adam Dunn, as much as it kills me to say, maybe it is just better off for everyone to move on.

AtomicDumpling
05-14-2008, 07:27 PM
How much of an effect does GABP have on Dunn's value? He would most likely be hitting under 40 home runs for the past few years, have less than 100 RBIs, a high K rate, and terrible defense.

I agree that most of Dunn's HRs would be gone anywhere, but I think you could shave a few off of his totals.

I think we are overpaying for Dunn, and we should unload him ASAP because he isn't the player everyone thinks he is. 6 Homers this far into the season is also somewhat scary....

Thoughts?

I think Dunn would have even better numbers playing in Detroit than he does in Cincy.

Detroit has a much better offensive team than the Reds do. Opposing pitchers would actually have to pitch to him because of all the excellent hitters in the Tigers' lineup. Whenever Dunn would hit a home run it would be much more likely that someone would be on base.

Jim Leyland would be more likely to use Dunn properly and put him higher in the lineup, which would mean Dunn would get more plate appearances and hence more homers. Since the Tigers have better hitters and their pitcher doesn't bat they cycle through the batting lineup more frequently, which would get Dunn even more plate appearances.

For those reasons I think Dunn would have more home runs and more RBIs and more runs scored in Detroit than here in Cincy.

The Tigers also recently released their left fielder, Jacque Jones. I am sure the Tigers (like most teams) would love to upgrade their lineup with the acquisition of a young slugger the likes of Adam Dunn.

RedsManRick
05-14-2008, 07:42 PM
For better or worse, players get judged not just by what they've done, but by how what they've done compares to expectations.

Unfortunately expectations get set in ways that are more or less realistic. Dunn in particular has expectations that are almost unattainable. No matter what he does, he's not doing enough. In particular, his strengths (power, ability to draw walks) are things that are typically considered inherited versus earned and visa versa with his weaknesses (defense, contact hitting). Thus, he was destined to both inspire great expectation and provide production that is undervalued.

It's a viscous combination and I expect it will follow him throughout his career. People will perceive him as lazy for striking out and playing poor defense and fail to give him sufficient credit for his power and ability to get on base.

*BaseClogger*
05-14-2008, 07:47 PM
Of course he would have more value in Detroit! He would have so many more RBI's--he would truly be a 'run producer' in the middle of the order (but he would still suck in 'clutch' situations!)... :rolleyes:

dougdirt
05-14-2008, 07:55 PM
I hear he's mean to puppies and kicks old ladies.

Who doesn't do that? Its my favorite past time.

M2
05-14-2008, 08:05 PM
Forget about lineups and field effects, Dunn would be more valued in Detroit because it would buy him better exposure. He might even have a nickname, something like the Motor City Masher.