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fearofpopvol1
05-21-2008, 07:37 PM
Winning on the road...

Home: 14-9 Road: 7-16

Say what you will, but the numbers speak for themselves.

*BaseClogger*
05-21-2008, 07:39 PM
Winning on the road...

Home: 14-9 Road: 7-16

Say what you will, but the numbers speak for themselves.

Do the Reds have a home-field advantage? Is it possible that the short OF fences are actually beneficial, since the Reds can build a team that adjusts and fits to it?

Chip R
05-21-2008, 07:41 PM
That home record was below .500 before the last homestand.

RedsManRick
05-21-2008, 07:43 PM
Sorry, but I'm going to have to go with: Allowing more runs than they score.

fearofpopvol1
05-21-2008, 07:54 PM
That home record was below .500 before the last homestand.

That is true, but even then, the road splits were worse than the home ones.

Chip R
05-21-2008, 08:12 PM
That is true, but even then, the road splits were worse than the home ones.


True, but before that last homestand GAB wasn't exactly a home field advantage for them. Obviously it was better than their road record but still not that good.

fearofpopvol1
05-21-2008, 08:38 PM
I guess time will tell on that, but I do think at season's end, it's going to look lopsided as it does now.

guttle11
05-21-2008, 09:00 PM
They need to start scoring more runs than the opponent on the road. They'll probably win a few more games.

Degenerate39
05-21-2008, 09:01 PM
The Reds biggest problem is the West Coast. Every year it seems like the West Coast bites them in the butt. We all know what happened 2 years ago. Now this year it seems like a repeat. They get hot then go to the West Coast and get swept by the Dodgers (hopefully I spoke too soon on this one).

AmarilloRed
05-22-2008, 12:54 AM
The Reds biggest problem is their pitching. Going into tonight they had a 4.56 team ERA, second to last in the NL.

MasonBuzz3
05-22-2008, 01:05 AM
The Reds biggest problem is their pitching. Going into tonight they had a 4.56 team ERA, second to last in the NL.

and that doesn't even include the many unearned runs this team gives up. the entire defensive aspect of this team is rough, from pitching to defense....just bad

fearofpopvol1
05-22-2008, 01:56 AM
and it continues...

Tom Servo
05-22-2008, 07:39 AM
The Reds biggest problem is winning.

Falls City Beer
05-22-2008, 09:11 AM
The Reds' pitching is the problem, of course. But Dusty will be the first casualty.

Matt700wlw
05-22-2008, 09:18 AM
Winning on the road...

Home: 14-9 Road: 7-16

Say what you will, but the numbers speak for themselves.

Thankfuly they won 6 in a row at home to "skew" those home numbers - they really aren't much to write home about at home either.

Matt700wlw
05-22-2008, 09:31 AM
The reds biggest problem is inconsistantcy.

Last week was really the only time when everything was clicking on all cylanders. If the pitching slipped, the offense picked them up, and then the pitching shut the door...mix that with solid defense, and look, 6 wins in a row...the rest of the season has been painful to watch, for the most part.

Kc61
05-22-2008, 10:34 AM
One reason the Reds don't win out west is that they can't handle good pitching in big ballparks. They tend to have a home run offense and don't get the three or four hits per inning it takes to score some runs in non-home run ballparks.

With all the misplays of the last few nights, they scored a total of 3 runs after the fifth inning of the first game. That's three runs in 22 innings. They got 11 hits over the last two games, total.

In the last two games the Reds allowed nine runs, which is about average for them. If they hit reasonably well, the Reds should have been able to win one of the two.

WVRedsFan
05-22-2008, 10:53 AM
The Reds' pitching is the problem, of course. But Dusty will be the first casualty.

I've been away. Not away from home, but away from the board for awhile. I have been watching (sort of) and it's painful. It's not just the pitching, guys, though that is a problem. It's the team.

Votto looks like the real deal one game and like the worst 1st baseman in the game the next.

Phillips looks like Joe Morgan one night and Don Balssingame the next.

Shortstop is painfully inadequate without Jeff Keppinger in the lineup.

Encarnacion is Encarnacion. You can't really count on him night after night.

Dunn is on a hot streak when no one else is.

Patterson was a huge mistake offensively and Freel is a hug mistake defensively (for now).

Griffey is not producing.

Our catching corps is horrible.

Add that to a starting staff that has two preforming pitchers (Volquez and Harang), one off and on pitcher, a rookie (who's showing it right now), and a mess in the fifth starters spot. The bullpen is iffy and we have a $40+ million closer who rarely gets to close.

And yet, sometimes they can come together and play like champions. Go figure.

My point is that Dusty, as much as he is loathed on here (and you can include me in that loathing) is probably innocent of a poorly constructed team.

flyer85
05-22-2008, 12:00 PM
Reds offense is composed almost entirely of hackers, they can beat on up on bad pitching but can be put down easily by a pitcher than can command the corners. Most of the Reds hitters are not patient enough to wait for a mistake, they get themselves out long before that.

Joseph
05-22-2008, 12:12 PM
WVRedsFan hit the nail on the head.

We've got a couple talented players, and the rest aren't worth the jerseys they are playing in.

There is no consistency on the team at all,even among the 'good' players.

Until they take it apart, we are going to continue to see this, continue to get our hopes up for a brief spell here and there, and continue to be disappointed in the long run.

flyer85
05-22-2008, 12:19 PM
There is no consistency on the team at all,even among the 'good' players.if you want consistency within a season, you're always going to be disappointed. Baseball is a series of peaks and valleys, the better the talent the longer the peaks and the shorter the valleys. The Reds lack the overall talent to compete for a playoff spot.

BRM
05-22-2008, 12:21 PM
Reds offense is composed almost entirely of hackers, they can beat on up on bad pitching but can be put down easily by a pitcher than can command the corners. Most of the Reds hitters are not patient enough to wait for a mistake, they get themselves out long before that.

Dusty likes hackers. What's the problem?

LoganBuck
05-22-2008, 12:22 PM
Corey Patterson all the way around:
1. Why he is on the team
2. Why he plays over Freel
3. Why he leads off






Other problems will be addressed later.

Falls City Beer
05-22-2008, 12:25 PM
The only "true hackers" who are starters in the lineup are Patterson, Ross/Bako, and Phillips (though the results with him are usually better than your average hacker).

I'm not sure there is a major league 1-8 or 1-9 that doesn't contain at minimum two hackers. The Reds aren't that big of an aberration in that department.

flyer85
05-22-2008, 12:27 PM
Dusty likes hackers. What's the problem?He spring training comments have had an impact, IMO, especially on Votto. The Reds inability to sustain innings is mainly due to the fact that they have hitters interspersed throughout the lineup that continually will get themselves out on pitchers pitches before they get to two strikes.

flyer85
05-22-2008, 12:29 PM
The only "true hackers" who are starters in the lineup are Patterson, Ross/Bako, and Phillips (though the results with him are usually better than your average hacker).Votto and EE have been hacking as well. They both have been swinging at pitchers pitches early in the count, even Keppinger had a tendency to do it.

IMO, the only current hitters that show real patience and are willing to go deep in the count are Dunn and Janish.

Falls City Beer
05-22-2008, 12:43 PM
Votto and EE have been hacking as well. They both have been swinging at pitchers pitches early in the count, even Keppinger had a tendency to do it.

IMO, the only current hitters that show real patience and are willing to go deep in the count are Dunn and Janish.

As a team, the Reds are NL-average in P/PA (basically dead in the middle), just slightly below average in OB%, and just slightly above average in OPS.

They're not lighting anything up, but I don't recognize where the offense is clearly the problem (not that you're necessarily saying that, flyer--just a general observation).

OnBaseMachine
05-22-2008, 12:52 PM
Speaking of the offense, the Reds have lost nine games this season in which the pitching staff held the opponents to four runs or less in nine innings. That needs to improve.

flyer85
05-22-2008, 12:53 PM
As a team, the Reds are NL-average in P/PA (basically dead in the middle), just slightly below average in OB%, and just slightly above average in OPS.

They're not lighting anything up, but I don't recognize where the offense is clearly the problem (not that you're necessarily saying that, flyer--just a general observation).overall lack of talent is the problem, with pitching being a slightly bigger issue. And when Dunn hits the road after the season(or before) the offense is likely to be a huge problem.

Spring~Fields
05-22-2008, 05:13 PM
Poor offense ranked number 12 in runs scored out of 16 teams puts pressure on the defense.
Poor defense ranked number 13 out of 16 teams in fielding percentage, ranked number 4 out of 16 teams in errors, puts pressure on the pitching
Eventually something breaks down.

None of the above puts pressure on the opposition, while the opposite is true giving the other side more outs, more attempts, running up the pitchers counts, while adding to the runs allowed in the face of an anemic inconsistent offense.

In addition when the manager works against the statistical percentages and does not apply the statistical percentages that are in his favor correctly he works against having a workable unit into having a dysfunctional unit.

When the offense cannot score enough then the defense is compelled to step up along with a pitching staff that might be called upon to pitch above their norms. Then when that defense cannot catch up to fly balls, rush’s to make a play or a throw, and diving for fly balls becomes routine then the pitching is going to try to be to fine and to step it up, next thing we know the pitching can’t hit the spots, the catcher or bench that is calling the pitches that go for hits, and long, long fly balls over the fence, begin to get waved off by the pitchers, along with the pitchers confidence, now the manager has a dysfunctional mess.

From the beginning of the season the complaint has been that Baker will not place his highest on base percentage batters up where they can receive more plate appearances increasing the probability of those batters getting on base more often so that others can drive them in. Game after game the complaints rose regarding a low scoring offense, a lack of run support, runners left on base, especially noted for a very good pitcher Harang.

The bullpen becomes the expected white knight to the rescue, game after game, soon the white knight wears thin, wears out and throughout it all the pitching becomes the culprit of it all.

This managers main secret weapon in strategy is to place a given centerfielder and a shortstop whether they can produce or whether it is productive or not in the one and two slots of the batting order, often leaving players better suited for the roles elsewhere. Elsewhere like having a Phillips bat cleanup who struggles against right handed pitching providing protection for a Griffey who fails to perform due to age and injuries, a Dunn hitting down in the order, an Encarcion with no or little protection in the order begins reaching, along with the free swinging Phillips, a Keppinger though one of the better batters on the team, does not leadoff a eight place batter does.


The defensive problem areas from the start of the season began showing their existence the same that existed prior to this season. Last seasons ss who had personal problems becomes a question mark in the next season, when he pulls up injured early in the spring the question mark needed to be addressed. Throws from third go errantly here and there, the left fielder and right fielder due to financial constraints and a courtesy to the right fielder doesn’t get to balls that other’s might. Who amongst the fans of the Reds did not know that the defense in center, right, left, short, third and catcher was a problem with this team before the season started, who then is surprised that those weak areas have been exposed once again this season? Is there any surprise then that the pitching staff suffers?

When the newest slick fielding ss comes up does he start? No a utility player does in his place.

Three ex-cubs that had a history of poor offense, which I doubt that many GM’s would rush to have them on their team, actually at least one of them maybe more could not find a job at the start of the season, but a manager so enamored with his former players might make a rush to judgment and want them for his team.

A catcher that the manager is use to working with, a fast centerfielder that the manager always believed in and a replacement outfielder with a contract that indicates he either makes the team within a period of time or be cut lose would seem to indicate that he too was a planned part of the dysfunction. Three catchers one of them hits best from the left side takes on the pinch hitting role along with a left handed first baseman, backup to a left handed first baseman, struggles with pinch hitting within limited playing time both becoming a waste of roster spots and money.

Somehow an outfielder and a relief pitcher mysteriously disappears, where is Hopper and Mercker, two players that should have not been a part of the makeup of this team to begin with, yet the manager was quoted with glowing remembrances of the aged Mercker that he felt could contribute to what is his dysfunctional unit. Hopper disappears, was a hot hitting Bruce than can field all three outfield positions called up, no, a part-time utility player, an ex-cub factor was called up over Bruce while a place to play Bruce disappears mysteriously as a Hopper and Mercker.

The clamor becomes that the team is poorly constructed, that there are too many left handed bats on the team, that the leadoff hitter has a terrible time at the plate, other quality hitters are pushed down in the order to make way for the struggling leadoff batter and the courtesy role third place batter. The third place hitter batting third as a courtesy of the manager doesn’t produce. The volatile swinging Phillips who struggles against right handed pitchers somehow becomes the cleanup hitter allegedly due to the lefty lefty syndrome that somehow impairs hitting even though the management and the assessment team that encompassed manager and his staff loaded the team with left handed bats.

Some player complaints begin to surface with a Freel, Hatteberg and Phillips, it would not be any surprise if other complaints are effecting play, moral and motivation on a last place team exist, yet kept hushed.

Now Encarcion and Votto become inconsistent and slumping unable to carry a Patterson, Bako, and Griffey during their routine playing that happens with young and veteran players alike, yet Griffey and Patterson stay in a season long slump as a Bako with no surprise returns to his norms.

Dysfuncitional mess getting dysfunctional results, dead last.


Last seven days Regulars -
vs. Left - vs. Right for the season
Dunn .444 .583 1.167 1.750
vs. Left .225 .385 .475 .860 - high base pct w/power, hits higher in order 2 or 3
vs. Right .237 .372 .515 .887

Phillip .375 .400 .625 1.025
vs. Left .420 .463 .920 1.383 - 3 or 4 against left hander’s
vs. Right .252 .294 .378 .672 - lower batting order against right hander’s

Hairston .154 .214 .308 .522
vs. Left .333 .400 .556 .956 - against LH, RF replacement/late inning replacement
vs. Right .297 .316 .486 .802 -

Freel .385 .429 .462 .890
vs. Left .380 .415 .480 .895 - leadoff or 2 against LH, RF/CF replacement
vs. Right .255 .304 .294 .598 - bench, late inning replacement

Griffey .261 .320 .261 .581
vs. Left .170 .278 .234 .512- 7 or 8 batter against LH or bench
vs. Right .283 .360 .417 .777 - 6-7-8 against RH

Votto .158 .200 .368 .568
vs. Left .302 .400 .605 1.005- 3-4-5 against LH/RH w/threatening batter behind
vs. Right .239 .286 .478 .764

Encarcion .188 .263 .188 .451
vs. Left .306 .404 .429 .833- 3-4-5 against LH/RH w/threatening batter behind
vs. Right .228 .305 .474 .779

Bako .000 .286 .000 .286
vs. Left .231 .268 .462 .730
vs. Right .297 .402 .459 .861-

Patterson .118 .118 .118 .235
vs. Left .182 .217 .182 .399 - late CF replacement/bench
vs. Right .227 .271 .427 .698 - late CF replacement/ bench

Substitutes
Valentin .333 .333 .667 1.000
vs. Left .143 .143 .286 .429
vs. Right .231 .286 .269 .555


Janish .400 .455 .400 .855
vs. Left 1.000 1.000 1.000 2.000
vs. Right .222 .222 .222 .444- slick defensive ss plays short regardless


Ross .429 .429 .429 .857
vs. Left .267 .421 .267 .688
vs. Right .333 .333 .417 .750

Hatteberg .000 .000 .000 .000
vs. Left .100 .167 .100 .267
vs. Right .205 .304 .282 .586

fearofpopvol1
05-23-2008, 12:11 AM
And it continues...

BuckeyeRedleg
05-23-2008, 12:43 AM
Take away Jay Bruce and this might be one of the bottom three organizations in baseball.

Still might be even with him.

With a new GM and Pedro Alvarez on deck, I'd have more hope if I were a Pirate fan.

That is sad.

flyer85
05-23-2008, 12:45 AM
Take away Jay Bruce and this might be one of the bottom three organizations in baseball.

Still might be even with him.

With a new GM and Pedro Alvarez on deck, I'd have more hope if I were a Pirate fan.

That is sad.and the best offensive player on this team isn't likely to be around much longer ... the future ain't bright.

OnBaseMachine
05-23-2008, 01:34 AM
Take away Jay Bruce and this might be one of the bottom three organizations in baseball.

Still might be even with him.

With a new GM and Pedro Alvarez on deck, I'd have more hope if I were a Pirate fan.

That is sad.

No way.

Many teams would kill to have as much young talent as the Reds have: Jay Bruce, Joey Votto, Brandon Phillips, Edwin Encarnacion, Todd Frazier, Chris Valaika, Johnny Cueto, Edinson Volquez, Homer Bailey, Daryl Thompson, Matt Maloney, Josh Roenicke, Bill Bray, Jared Burton, and even Dunn is still only 28 years old. Throw in another frontline talent with the #7 pick in June (rumored to be Aaron Crow). Not too many organizations have that much young talent. It's frustrating right now but the future of this organization is bright IMO.

RedlegJake
05-23-2008, 01:42 AM
I think the future's bright. It might be 2010 or 2011 getting here though. That's if Jocketty can end the string of stupid moves and miscalculations that offset every good move made, the trend that has the Reds where they currently are.

1. He has to make the right moves to reload this team with 13 FAs to be, including Dunn and Junior. Who to keep, who to let go. He has to get it right. This winter the flexibility is there to do so since better than half the 25 man can walk.

2. No more bad contracts to marginal ballplayers with career years who go back to marginal or less after signing.

3. Trade the right minor league talent, keep the right ones. And DO trade some of them.

4. A good draft. Not just at the top but deep again to keep the pipeline rolling once the guys now in lower leagues get to the AAA level and start getting promoted or traded.

5. My personal wish - forget building this year's team and make every move toward 2009. If it works now and next year great but no trades for this season that subtract from what can be done next year.

6. My 2nd personal wish -let Walt decide what to do with Baker. If he wants him fine -if not, Cast lets him have the authority to find his own man.

Falls City Beer
05-23-2008, 10:38 AM
Let's start trading all this "minor league depth" for major league talent. That--and not the minor leaguers--will make the future bright. Winning makes the future bright. Not the future.

Falls City Beer
05-23-2008, 10:41 AM
No way.

Many teams would kill to have as much young talent as the Reds have: Jay Bruce, Joey Votto, Brandon Phillips, Edwin Encarnacion, Todd Frazier, Chris Valaika, Johnny Cueto, Edinson Volquez, Homer Bailey, Daryl Thompson, Matt Maloney, Josh Roenicke, Bill Bray, Jared Burton, and even Dunn is still only 28 years old. Throw in another frontline talent with the #7 pick in June (rumored to be Aaron Crow). Not too many organizations have that much young talent. It's frustrating right now but the future of this organization is bright IMO.

75% percent of that talent you have listed is in the majors already. And, well, you see where it's getting the team.

Not that there isn't some fine talent in there. But I think there is just as much overrated talent as there is talent meeting or even approaching the hype surrounding it.

jojo
05-23-2008, 10:47 AM
I think their biggest problem might be an impatient fan base..... it'll be interesting to see if payroll hits a glass ceiling.

Despite playing .600 ball at home, the Reds attendance is ranked 14th out of 16 senior circuit teams.

RedsManRick
05-23-2008, 10:56 AM
I think their biggest problem might be an impatient fan base..... it'll be interesting to see if payroll hits a glass ceiling.

Despite playing .600 ball at home, the Reds attendance is ranked 14th out of 16 senior circuit teams.

An impatient fan base or an impatient ownership group who refuses to admit reality to the public (and perhaps themselves), creating a perception of incompetence and encouraging said impatience?

In my experience, people are much more patient when they have a sense of the timing of things rather than a constant expectation of just around the corner. Personally, if my team is going to lose regardless of what's said by ownership, I'd rather see it as a part of the process of getting better than merely failing to "win now"... I imagine most of the locals hear "win now" and it sounds like "WOLF!"...

Chip R
05-23-2008, 10:58 AM
I think their biggest problem might be an impatient fan base..... it'll be interesting to see if payroll hits a glass ceiling.

Despite playing .600 ball at home, the Reds attendance is ranked 14th out of 16 senior circuit teams.


To be fair, they were a game under .500 before the last homestand started.

jojo
05-23-2008, 11:07 AM
To be fair, they were a game under .500 before the last homestand started.

Really the record isn't important. While attendance should pick up a bit when school lets out etc, this is still a team struggling to get people to come out and spend money absent the Cubs or Indians invading on a weekend.

Attendance has been stagnant with the team struggling to break 2 million butts since Bob C took over despite payroll increasing. Sooner or later something has got to give (Krivsky really was just the sound of the hull bending against the iceberg).

RedsManRick
05-23-2008, 11:18 AM
I'd interested to see how Milwaukee's attendence has evolved over the past decade compared to the Reds. Similar size cities, similar performances from the team, both in new parks. Cincinnati has the tradition. Milwaukee has communicated a path to success. How do they compare? Anybody have the time to pull the numbers?

Chip R
05-23-2008, 11:19 AM
Really the record isn't important. While attendance should pick up a bit when school lets out etc, this is still a team struggling to get people to come out and spend money absent the Cubs or Indians invading on a weekend.


But your point seemed to be that even though the Reds are playing so well at home that attendance is still near the bottom of the NL. Before that homestand they really didn't give the fans any reason to come out. The CLE series was well attended but it usually is. If they had been consistantly playing .600 ball at home and the fans weren't coming out, then I would be somewhat concerned.

jojo
05-23-2008, 11:29 AM
I'd interested to see how Milwaukee's attendence has evolved over the past decade compared to the Reds. Similar size cities, similar performances from the team, both in new parks. Cincinnati has the tradition. Milwaukee has communicated a path to success. How do they compare? Anybody have the time to pull the numbers?

Miller park opened in 2001. Here are attendance figure for the Brewers from 2000 through last season:


season butts
2000 1,573,621
2001 2,811,041
2002 1,969,153
2003 1,700,354
2004 2,062,382
2005 2,211,023
2006 2,335,643
2007 2,869,144

jojo
05-23-2008, 11:38 AM
But your point seemed to be that even though the Reds are playing so well at home that attendance is still near the bottom of the NL. Before that homestand they really didn't give the fans any reason to come out. The CLE series was well attended but it usually is. If they had been consistantly playing .600 ball at home and the fans weren't coming out, then I would be somewhat concerned.

I think your point is well taken but really that's suggesting the fan base has lost interest before the Reds even played 20 home games....

OnBaseMachine
05-23-2008, 11:44 AM
75% percent of that talent you have listed is in the majors already. And, well, you see where it's getting the team.

Not that there isn't some fine talent in there. But I think there is just as much overrated talent as there is talent meeting or even approaching the hype surrounding it.

I typically don't expect young talent to step right into the majors and dominate right away. It takes time.

Chip R
05-23-2008, 11:48 AM
I think your point is well taken but really that's suggesting the fan base has lost interest before the Reds even played 20 home games....


If the shoe fits...

dougdirt
05-23-2008, 11:55 AM
When you have a team owned by a guy who doesn't get it, who hired a manager who doesn't get it and a GM who was run out of his last job because he didn't like statistical analysis in player analysis then you are likely going to get a bad product, a bad team and a bad ballpark attendance.

I love the Reds. I have been to no less than 25 games a year since I got my license. This year the pace has slowed dramatically. Its very difficult for me to go out every few days to GABP and put down 20 bucks a game to watch a manager with no clue start Patterson in CF and hit him leadoff. Its difficult to watch him bat Paul Janish second but Adam Dunn 7th. Its difficult for a team to be on a 'win now' ideology when its apparent to everyone that they aren't playing the best players in order to 'win now'. The only bright side to going to the game means I don't have to listen to Marty or Thom.

RedsManRick
05-23-2008, 12:13 PM
It all comes down to winning.

I'm paying $175 for MLB Extra Innings, but last night (for example), I chose to play GTA IV instead of watching the Reds game; I just wasn't interested. The 25 man roster is poorly conceived, the players on it are poorly used, and the quality of play is shaky at best.

I have virtually no faith in a management group who has expressed a desire, but not a plan, for winning now.

I'm sure the Reds organization really wants to win and are working very hard. I don't fault their sentiment nor effort. But until they start to work smarter, I just don't see how they're going to break through. And until I have real hope, I don't my spark of fandom being ignited.

Reds games are no longer must see viewing for me. And if I lived in the area, I imagine that would translate in to attendance as well.

jojo
05-23-2008, 01:04 PM
If the shoe fits...

That's kinda my point though.....

Spring~Fields
05-23-2008, 01:11 PM
When you have a team owned by a guy who doesn't get it, who hired a manager who doesn't get it and a GM who was run out of his last job because he didn't like statistical analysis in player analysis then you are likely going to get a bad product, a bad team and a bad ballpark attendance.

put down 20 bucks a game to watch a manager with no clue start Patterson in CF and hit him leadoff. Its difficult to watch him bat Paul Janish second but Adam Dunn 7th. Its difficult for a team to be on a 'win now' ideology when its apparent to everyone that they aren't playing the best players in order to 'win now'.

:clap::clap:

Spring~Fields
05-23-2008, 01:13 PM
It all comes down to winning.

The 25 man roster is poorly conceived, the players on it are poorly used, and the quality of play is shaky at best.

I have virtually no faith in a management group who has expressed a desire, but not a plan, for winning now.



:clap::clap:

Spring~Fields
05-23-2008, 01:16 PM
One reason the Reds don't win out west is that they can't handle good pitching in big ballparks. They tend to have a home run offense and don't get the three or four hits per inning it takes to score some runs in non-home run ballparks.
With all the misplays of the last few nights, they scored a total of 3 runs after the fifth inning of the first game. That's three runs in 22 innings. They got 11 hits over the last two games, total.



:clap::clap:

Spring~Fields
05-23-2008, 01:19 PM
Reds offense is composed almost entirely of hackers, they can beat on up on bad pitching but can be put down easily by a pitcher than can command the corners. Most of the Reds hitters are not patient enough to wait for a mistake, they get themselves out long before that.

:clap::clap:

Always Red
05-23-2008, 01:22 PM
After reading through this thread and finding myself agreeing wih most all of the opinions, I have come to the conclusion that the Reds biggest problem is that they have too many problems.

Spring~Fields
05-23-2008, 01:25 PM
Speaking of the offense, the Reds have lost nine games this season in which the pitching staff held the opponents to four runs or less in nine innings. That needs to improve.

:clap::clap:

Winning less than half of those would make them 25-23 a team .500 instead of 21-27 a team under .500 and dead last

jojo
05-23-2008, 01:53 PM
:clap::clap:

Winning less than half of those would make them 25-23 a team .500 instead of 21-27 a team under .500 and dead last

The Reds are 21-27 while going 9-4 in 1 run games (that would be considered a "lucky" one run game record).

The Reds could just as easily be 21-31.....

Spring~Fields
05-23-2008, 01:58 PM
The Reds are 21-27 while going 9-4 in 1 run games (that would be considered a "lucky" one run game record).

The Reds could just as easily be 21-31.....

I can see that. Good thing that they caught some breaks. 21-31 that would be even rougher. Well they are on their way to a .403 win pct.,

fearofpopvol1
05-28-2008, 03:30 AM
I know it might seem funny, but it's continued to be true.

mth123
05-28-2008, 05:38 AM
The Reds biggest problem is OF defense, especially in RF. Subbing Bruce for Patterson did nothing to help that. When the Reds hit the road and leave the cozy confines of GABP, the problem becomes magnified and it shows in the Road record. The larger parks of the NL West are the worst place for this team to play and it is no coincidence that the team struggles mightily out there.

In addition to the defensive issues, the offense that is built on middling power guys hitting HRs also struggles on the road. I think Dunn, Votto and Bruce have the power to hit HR everywhere, but Griffey no longer does and EE may also be impacted. Phillips needs to be in a real grove to hit with power on the road. He can hit with power more easily at home though he is capable anywhere IMO.

Jpup
05-28-2008, 07:03 AM
Their biggest problem is going to be where to stack those golden trophies that Jay Bruce will bring back to the Queen City.

Did you guys see that cat tonight? ;)

I have been calling him Superman since Monday.

Always Red
05-28-2008, 08:02 AM
I have been calling him Superman since Monday.

I like "The Boss" :thumbup:

I've seen OBM refer to him as that before.

When I heard all those folks yelling "Bruuuuuuuce!!" I thought I was back at a Springsteen concert again.

fearofpopvol1
06-02-2008, 12:47 AM
Home: 19-10 Road: 9-19

I'm just saying. For the record, there are only about 5 other teams in all of baseball that have a better home record than the Reds do right now.

wheels
06-02-2008, 12:51 AM
It almost seems as if every Major League team is struggling on the road right now.

WVRedsFan
06-02-2008, 01:07 AM
Home: 19-10 Road: 9-19

I'm just saying. For the record, there are only about 5 other teams in all of baseball that have a better home record than the Reds do right now.

Really, the problem has been the three sweeps against Pittsburgh in April (un-called for), against Atlanta in early May, and against LA a week ago. That 0-9 record could be changed to 3-6 with one win in each series (not much to ask and should have happened) would have changed that 9-19 to 12-16 and give the Reds an overall record of 31-26 which would put them only 5 games out in third place. If only...

WebScorpion
06-02-2008, 12:25 PM
I think the Reds have solved their biggest problem...for the moment. They need to win today...every day. By that, I mean they need to concentrate on the task at hand and do each thing to best of their ability. When the ball is hit your way, you catch it; When you come to bat, you work the count and hit a pitch you can drive if you get one; If you're pitching, you concentrate on the current batter, the current pitch, and you listen to your catcher; If you're on the bench or in the bullpen, you keep your head in the game and cheer for your teammates; Most of all, you think about the fact you get to play the game you love every day and some pretty cool people come and pay to watch you do it...so you smile! :) Not that where's-the-camera smile, but that big a$$ I'm-having-the-time-of-my-life-and-I'm-loving-every-second-of-it smile! :D

If they keep that up, the road problem will take care of it itself. :thumbup:

fearofpopvol1
06-02-2008, 09:45 PM
Home: 19-10 Road: 9-20

I'm just saying!

Caveat Emperor
06-02-2008, 09:48 PM
Home: 19-10 Road: 9-20

I'm just saying!

[CAPTAIN OBVIOUS]

Most teams play better at home than on the road.

[/CAPTAIN OBVIOUS]

I'd say, after tonight, that:

1. RHP
2. RHP
3. RHP
4. RHP
5. RHP

might be one worth discussing.

Marc D
06-02-2008, 09:51 PM
I'd say, after tonight, that:

1. RHP
2. RHP
3. RHP
4. RHP
5. RHP

might be one worth discussing.

I'd say its more to do with the overall skill level of #'s 4 and 5 than with which arm they throw with.

Falls City Beer
06-02-2008, 09:51 PM
I'd say its more to do with the overall skill level of #'s 4 and 5 than with which arm they throw with.

Yep.

Caveat Emperor
06-02-2008, 09:54 PM
I'd say its more to do with the overall skill level of #'s 4 and 5 than with which arm they throw with.

The Phillies have more lefties than a shark-tamer convention -- it'd be nice to have someone on the staff who could give them some matchup problems.

A junkballing LHP that you can call up to spot start a game or two against these kinds of teams is a lot easier to find than a good #4 starter.

fearofpopvol1
06-02-2008, 09:54 PM
[CAPTAIN OBVIOUS]

Most teams play better at home than on the road.

[/CAPTAIN OBVIOUS]

I'd say, after tonight, that:

1. RHP
2. RHP
3. RHP
4. RHP
5. RHP

might be one worth discussing.

Yeah, but I did make the original statement about 2 weeks ago and it's continued to be true. The reasons for why the team loses when they do can be pointed a million different directions. But the fact remains unchanged that the Reds cannot win on the road this year. 9-20 is downright putrid.

Caveat Emperor
06-02-2008, 10:05 PM
Yeah, but I did make the original statement about 2 weeks ago and it's continued to be true. The reasons for why the team loses when they do can be pointed a million different directions. But the fact remains unchanged that the Reds cannot win on the road this year. 9-20 is downright putrid.

In all of professional baseball, there are only 4 teams with winning records on the road:

Los Angeles Angels
Florida Marlins
Philadelphia Phillies
St. Louis Cardinals

There are 14 teams that are 5 games under .500 or worse on the road:

Baltimore Orioles
Boston Red Sox
Cleveland Indians
Detroit Tigers
Kansas City Royals
Seattle Mariners
Atlanta Braves
New York Mets
Milwaukee Brewers
Cincinnati Reds
Pittsburgh Pirates
LA Dodgers
San Diego Padres
Colorado Rockies

Playing on the road has been difficult this year, and very few teams are doing it well.

fearofpopvol1
06-02-2008, 10:16 PM
In all of professional baseball, there are only 4 teams with winning records on the road:

Los Angeles Angels
Florida Marlins
Philadelphia Phillies
St. Louis Cardinals

There are 14 teams that are 5 games under .500 or worse on the road:

Baltimore Orioles
Boston Red Sox
Cleveland Indians
Detroit Tigers
Kansas City Royals
Seattle Mariners
Atlanta Braves
New York Mets
Milwaukee Brewers
Cincinnati Reds
Pittsburgh Pirates
LA Dodgers
San Diego Padres
Colorado Rockies

Playing on the road has been difficult this year, and very few teams are doing it well.

I'm aware of that, but still, 9-20 is beyond bad. Most of the other so-called good teams are not that bad.

Tony Cloninger
06-02-2008, 10:38 PM
Why not spot start Affeldt......like they used to with Joe Price...Leibrandt in 1982...Charlton....heck even Tim Birstas.

If it fits the team.....and the Phillies do....then use a lefty.

fearofpopvol1
06-03-2008, 10:16 PM
9-21 on the road. Awesome.

blumj
06-04-2008, 08:19 AM
Why not spot start Affeldt......like they used to with Joe Price...Leibrandt in 1982...Charlton....heck even Tim Birstas.

If it fits the team.....and the Phillies do....then use a lefty.
Not many pitchers seem capable of doing that these days. It usually makes more sense for most teams to bring a starter from the minors up for spot starts, for whatever reason, because those pitchers are used to going 5+ innings at a time already, and they're more likely to be able to do that than someone who's been pitching only 1 or 2 innings at a time all season.