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texasdave
05-22-2008, 01:34 PM
Justin Lehr was the scheduled starter for Wednesday's game but did not make the start. Justin Mallett started instead. During the Thursday broadcast the Bats' announcers where doing a little speculating. Justin Lehr did not make the start on Wednesday and is not with the team. Manager Rick Sweet said he could not make any announcement at this time. Bats' announcers did state that Ramon Ramirez would be called up from AA to start for the Bats on Monday. That would be Lehr's next scheduled day to pitch. They said it could be one of four things:1) a call-up to Cincinnati, 2)an injury (unlikely), 3)Lehr could be part of an imminent trade or 4)Justin Lehr could have had some sort of out in contract if not called up to the bigs by a certain date. Stay tuned.

ChatterRed
05-22-2008, 01:40 PM
Cueto is being sent down?

flyer85
05-22-2008, 01:46 PM
As long as the Reds realize there is really no reason to expect Lehr to be successful in the majors. His peripherals are not good.

If they want to make a change with Cueto they should move him to the pen.

flyer85
05-22-2008, 01:56 PM
BTW, the Bats starter whose peripheral stats profile the best to have success in the majors in Maloney (41Ks in 47IP and only 1 HR).

redhawk61
05-22-2008, 02:36 PM
It sounds like one of those things that might end up being a personal issue, like a problem at home or he just doesn't have it in him anymore to continue in the minors so he retired.

The possibilities are endless

kheidg-
05-22-2008, 03:59 PM
Him or Pettyjohn probably could be cut loose. We have enough AAAA pitchers and I'd be inclined to think Shearn would be the first recalled. I'd like to see what Jukich could do in AAA at this point.

RedlegJake
05-22-2008, 04:01 PM
Him or Pettyjohn probably could be cut loose. We have enough AAAA pitchers and I'd be inclined to think Shearn would be the first recalled. I'd like to see what Jukich could do in AAA at this point.

I'd love to see Jukich in Louisville and basically Lehr and Pettyjohn are just roster fillers. Either cut one or send one down to AA and bring up Jukich.

SMcGavin
05-22-2008, 04:03 PM
BTW, the Bats starter whose peripheral stats profile the best to have success in the majors in Maloney (41Ks in 47IP and only 1 HR).

Indeed. If I was in charge I'd keep riding the Belisle train in the #5 rotation slot, but if injury dictates that someone from AAA has to come up, that guy is Maloney.

Also it's good to hear Ramon Ramirez is coming up to AAA, I was looking at his numbers earlier today and they were excellent both this year and last, including some scoreless innings in AAA at the end of last year. Anyone know why he started out back in AA this season?

RedlegJake
05-22-2008, 04:10 PM
Yes, Ramirez is having a very good year. With Ramirez, Jukich, Thompson, Bailey, Pelland, Roenicke, Maloney, Mallett and Hernandez the Reds have some pitching help coming on pretty soon. I'll be glad to finally see some of these arms rather than the same old dross. With all the free agent openings at season's end and these guys pressing upward next year's staff should be much different.

lollipopcurve
05-22-2008, 04:34 PM
Yes, Ramirez is having a very good year. With Ramirez, Jukich, Thompson, Bailey, Pelland, Roenicke, Maloney, Mallett and Hernandez the Reds have some pitching help coming on pretty soon. I'll be glad to finally see some of these arms rather than the same old dross.

Burton -- been with the team 1 year
Lincoln -- new
Bray -- relatively new
Cordero -- new
Cueto -- new
Volquez -- new
Affeldt -- new

kheidg-
05-22-2008, 04:55 PM
Burton -- been with the team 1 year
Lincoln -- new
Bray -- relatively new
Cordero -- new
Cueto -- new
Volquez -- new
Affeldt -- new

I think he was referring to the same old dross at AAA. Lincoln, Cordero, Volquez and Affeldt never have pitched at AAA. Lincoln probably should have, but considering the options it doesn't much matter. Cueto pitched about 5 total starts there last year and Bray has been back and forth - but primarily has pitched in the majors or been hurt. Burton's only time there was last year during a month long rehab stint.

Kc61
05-22-2008, 05:13 PM
Yes, Ramirez is having a very good year. With Ramirez, Jukich, Thompson, Bailey, Pelland, Roenicke, Maloney, Mallett and Hernandez the Reds have some pitching help coming on pretty soon. I'll be glad to finally see some of these arms rather than the same old dross. With all the free agent openings at season's end and these guys pressing upward next year's staff should be much different.

Ramirez has a 4.70 ERA at Chatanooga. He has some decent peripherals, but he has allowed the most HRs on the team. He doesn't have the classic pitcher's size. I don't think he'll be vying for a major league spot any time soon.

Frankly, with Cueto and Volquez in the major leagues, I don't think the group you identified is a particularly compelling group of high minors pitching prospects. Bailey is, but he's not going well right now and doesn't seem close. Roenicke seems back on track after a tough start but hasn't finished AA yet. Pelland and Maloney started pretty poorly this season at AAA. Thompson has done well at AA but has a ways to go.

Maybe some would disagree, but the only young pitcher who seems ready to help at the big league level today is Herrera. And I wish the Reds would call up Herrera now.

roborobj
05-22-2008, 05:52 PM
Baseball America magazine has the director of player development saying that Thompson is going up to AAA as soon as there is a spot open. Chattanooga has juggled their rotation. Ramon Ramirez pitched last night when it should have been Lecure and Lecure is pitching tonight. Thompson coudl be going up.

Him or Pettyjohn probably could be cut loose. We have enough AAAA pitchers and I'd be inclined to think Shearn would be the first recalled. I'd like to see what Jukich could do in AAA at this point.

OnBaseMachine
05-24-2008, 05:26 PM
Interesting transaction today for the Reds

The Reds have sold the contract of minor league RHP Justin Lehr to the Doosan Bears of the Korean Professional League.

http://www.thelotd.com/ctrent/blog

mth123
05-24-2008, 05:39 PM
I'm guessing Lehr had a Memorial Day deadline to be in the big leagues. Just a guess. The Korean team probably agreed to pay him more than any major league team would so he agreed to go. Again, just a guess.

camisadelgolf
05-24-2008, 05:42 PM
Here comes Daryl Thompson?

OnBaseMachine
05-24-2008, 05:44 PM
I've heard that Jordan Smith is being promoted to Chattanooga this week so I wouldn't be too surprised to see Thompson promoted to Louisville.

mth123
05-24-2008, 05:48 PM
Wasn't Ramon Ramirez promoted to take Lehr's spot? He's on L'Ville's roster and MILB.com.

jmac
05-24-2008, 06:00 PM
Interesting transaction today for the Reds

The Reds have sold the contract of minor league RHP Justin Lehr to the Doosan Bears of the Korean Professional League.

http://www.thelotd.com/ctrent/blog

I'm not too up on the minor league transaction thing.
Can a team just up and trade you to the Korean League or say the Japanese League ?
If so , why dont we see this more often ?
I guess it would change things for example going home and telling wife you were traded.
Instead of "we're moving to Kansas city" , it would be " we're moving to Zimbulabula".

texasdave
05-24-2008, 06:54 PM
I wonder why they didn't bring Lehr up and give him a couple of starts to see if he could do anything? Matt Belisle was blocking him? Geez. Maybe Lehr could have been long relief instead of Fogg. Seems like he pitched well enough in Louisville to get a look. I don't see how he could possibly hurt the Reds' pitching staff.

ChatterRed
05-24-2008, 07:50 PM
I agree. I was hoping he might get a major league chance. Didn't see what that would hurt. They've tried everyone else.

HokieRed
05-24-2008, 08:40 PM
Hate to see Lehr go but perhaps this is a first move on Jocketty's part to clear Louisville of the professional minor leaguers and start to accelerate movement throughout the whole system. If that's the case, then I like it. Thompson and Jukich should both go to Louisville, IMHO, as should Cody Strait and Shaun Cumberland.

Spring~Fields
05-24-2008, 08:41 PM
Wasn't Ramon Ramirez promoted to take Lehr's spot? He's on L'Ville's roster and MILB.com.


Why was Ramirez promoted over Thompson ? I don't understand.

jmac
05-24-2008, 08:51 PM
Wasn't Ramon Ramirez promoted to take Lehr's spot? He's on L'Ville's roster and MILB.com.

Sweet was talking of this on pre-game so I take it, yes.

Kingspoint
05-25-2008, 02:06 AM
So, this is Jockety's idea of wanting to win?

He could have at least given him a shot at Belisle's spot this year and see what happens. A couple of years ago when the Mets dominated the National League, they used 17 different starting pitchers. Some did well that no one would have expected to do well, only because they tried. They didn't continue throwing out there a pitcher that was ineffective.

dougdirt
05-25-2008, 02:08 AM
So, this is Jockety's idea of wanting to win?

He could have at least given him a shot at Belisle's spot this year and see what happens. A couple of years ago when the Mets dominated the National League, they used 17 different starting pitchers. Some did well that no one would have expected to do well, only because they tried. They didn't continue throwing out there a pitcher that was ineffective.

Maybe they already knew what would happen, so they didn't waste that chance.

Kingspoint
05-25-2008, 02:12 AM
Maybe they already knew what would happen, so they didn't waste that chance.

Hopefully you're joking. As you know, nobody ever knows until they're given the opportunity, especially in a small sample. He could get a fast start. New pitchers always have an advantage over a batter and he's old enough to not get rattled because he's in the Majors. Would have liked to have seen him given a chance.

dougdirt
05-25-2008, 02:27 AM
Hopefully you're joking. As you know, nobody ever knows until they're given the opportunity, especially in a small sample. He could get a fast start. New pitchers always have an advantage over a batter and he's old enough to not get rattled because he's in the Majors. Would have liked to have seen him given a chance.

I wasn't really joking. Sure, you never truly know until you let it happen... but that doesn't mean you should let it happen if everything you see tells you it won't work. Sure, I could win a gun fight with a knife, but the odds aren't with me.

Here is what we do know, in his major league career the numbers have not been good. This is the first decent year he has had since 2004. Is he having the best season of his life at age 30? Certainly possible. I don't think the Reds wanted to really find out though and I don't really blame them.

RedlegJake
05-25-2008, 03:01 AM
Moving Lehr didn't puzzle me at all or bother me. Move Pettyjohn and Shearn out, too if they want. None are going to give you better than Belisle or even Fogg, imo. Move up Jukich and Thompson along with Ramirez and make the Louisville staff an actual replacement pitcher resource for the big team, or a source of trade bait. All these career minor leaguers there have little value other than filling the Bats roster.

OnBaseMachine
05-25-2008, 03:12 AM
Righthanded pitcher Justin Lehr is headed for Korea. The Reds sold his contract Friday to the Doosan Bears of the Korea Professional League.

Lehr, 30, was 4-2 with a 2.41 ERA in eight starts for the Class AAA Louisville Bats, walking only nine in 52 1/3 innings while striking out 34.

“Lehr had a clause in his contract that said if a Korean club approached him, we had to let him go and that’s exactly what happened,” said general manager Walt Jocketty. “We had an opportunity to match their offer but it wasn’t something we wanted to do.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/o/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/cincinnatireds/

Will M
05-25-2008, 03:57 PM
1. I had no idea there was a pro league in Korea. Anybody know about how it compares to A/AA/AAA?

2. Can we sell some more players to the Korean league? I can think of quite a few I'd love the Reds to unload :)

SarasotaFan
05-26-2008, 11:27 AM
1. I had no idea there was a pro league in Korea. Anybody know about how it compares to A/AA/AAA?

2. Can we sell some more players to the Korean league? I can think of quite a few I'd love the Reds to unload :)
There's leagues in Japan, Korea, Taiwan

Japan - probably comparable to AAAA - it's the best of the Pacific Rim leagues. usually you can find some former major leaguers and big names there.

Korea - AAA / AAAA - same goes here, a lot of AAA guys have their contracts bought and go here for some good money.

Taiwan - maybe AA

mbgrayson
05-26-2008, 01:07 PM
Do they need high profile, expensive managers? ;)

SarasotaFan
05-26-2008, 01:28 PM
Do they need high profile, expensive managers? ;)
haha we could only wish :)

LouisvilleCARDS
05-27-2008, 03:29 AM
Righthanded pitcher Justin Lehr is headed for Korea. The Reds sold his contract Friday to the Doosan Bears of the Korea Professional League.

Lehr, 30, was 4-2 with a 2.41 ERA in eight starts for the Class AAA Louisville Bats, walking only nine in 52 1/3 innings while striking out 34.

“Lehr had a clause in his contract that said if a Korean club approached him, we had to let him go and that’s exactly what happened,” said general manager Walt Jocketty. “We had an opportunity to match their offer but it wasn’t something we wanted to do.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/o/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/cincinnatireds/


Better explanation. Maybe people shouldn't jump to "stupid move" conclusions without knowing the facts. I can see not wanting to give a 5A player a raise, even though the Bats lose a very solid pitcher.

Deepred05
05-27-2008, 12:03 PM
There's leagues in Japan, Korea, Taiwan

Japan - probably comparable to AAAA - it's the best of the Pacific Rim leagues. usually you can find some former major leaguers and big names there.

Korea - AAA / AAAA - same goes here, a lot of AAA guys have their contracts bought and go here for some good money.

Taiwan - maybe AA

How would you rate the mexican league? A good buddy of mine pitched in the Mexican world series.

Will M
05-28-2008, 04:00 PM
There's leagues in Japan, Korea, Taiwan

Japan - probably comparable to AAAA - it's the best of the Pacific Rim leagues. usually you can find some former major leaguers and big names there.

Korea - AAA / AAAA - same goes here, a lot of AAA guys have their contracts bought and go here for some good money.

Taiwan - maybe AA

thanks