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OnBaseMachine
05-23-2008, 02:31 PM
Griffey and the silent 600

By Tim Brown, Yahoo! Sports May 22, 12:49 am EDT

LOS ANGELES Ken Griffey Jr., the 38-year-old man sitting on the equipment trunk in the corner of the clubhouse this evening, will hit his 600th career home run one of these days, more than all but five players, three of whom are beyond reproach.

Yet, there is no buzz.

Griffey, still The Kid at heart if not in legs, is going to swing long and true and elegantly. The ball will jump and fall indelicately into history, arriving alongside those struck by men we know, or know of.

Yet, he will have played his entire career in an era whose story was written by George Mitchell, and co-authored by Henry Waxman.

I can only speak for this, Cincinnati Reds teammate Adam Dunn says. This is not a guy who is in any of those documents, who has been accused of taking steroids, a guy who everyone knows has taken something. What hes about to do should be celebrated.

Yet, the panels in center field at Great American Ball Park will turn to 6-0-0 and the ovation might carry no further than the banks of the Ohio River. The appreciation for a career well spent will course the veins of the game but probably not reach the national consciousness, sodden as it is with suspicion.

Oh well, Griffey said. I dont even worry about it. Go out there and win a game, go out there and hit a home run, dont hit a home run. Maybe itll change. Maybe it wont.

We have seen Barry Bonds reach 600, 700, then Babe Ruth and Hank Aaron. Last summer, Sammy Sosa passed 600 and Alex Rodriguez, Frank Thomas and Jim Thome arrived at 500. Manny Ramirez and Gary Sheffield are nearing 500, while Chipper Jones approaches 400. We sigh over what we once lauded, Mark McGwire at 65 and 70 in a season, Bonds beyond even that.

First, there is the volume of players reaching grounds where only legends lie.

Six hundred, Reds manager Dusty Baker says, now appears to be what 500 used to be.

Then, in some cases, there is the matter of how many of those hundreds are bullet-proof. Based on the lukewarm response to Griffey nearing a place that for decades held only Aaron, Ruth and Willie Mays, even the presumed innocent such as Griffey will not be entirely spared the apathy of a confused, wary or disgusted public.

Reds officials report that Griffeys approach on 600 has drawn less-than-expected attention even in Cincinnati, despite various promotions. Granted, Griffey went a month and more than 100 plate appearances without a home run, leaving him at 597. (Griffey hit No. 598 Thursday against the Padres.) And, also granted, Griffey hates to talk about it. (Im not a hype person, he says. So, its kind of tough to hype a guy who doesnt want to be hyped.) But, on April 24, the day after Griffey drew within three of 600, the paid attendance for a game against the Houston Astros was about 17,000. A week ago, a three-game series against the unsexy but first-place Florida Marlins averaged about 14,000 fans.

Rodriguez undoubtedly will be the more celebrated story when he nears 600 in two or three years, because of the city in which he plays, the pinstripes he wears and the assumption that 600 will lead to 700 and eventually to Bonds. Conversely, Griffey does not have a guaranteed contract past this season (the Reds hold a $16.5-million option for 2009) and is an injury risk. He missed significant time in six of his past seven seasons.

It is likely, then, that one of the three or four great players of his generation is bearing down on his final round-figure milestone to the sound of one city clapping. Mildly.

Griffey shakes his head, refusing to address the response to him, his career, this number.

Im not the guy who has to talk about it, he says. I just want to help this team win. If thats getting a guy over instead of hitting a home run, thats fine, too. Ive done pretty much everything as a professional athlete except one thing win a World Series.

Rangers officials said there wasnt much to the Sosa run at 600 either, but Sosa has had to defend himself against accusations he took steroids. And Baker, who last season was an ESPN baseball analyst, even remembered that differently.

I dont know why its different from last year or why its different for Junior, he says. I really dont know why. Everybody likes Junior. They like and respect him.

Stadiums of fans remain emotionally connected to the home run, the moment of impact, its immediate influence on a game, the glory of 420 feet of bang and flight. They like the home run. But, perhaps, they have cooled on the notion of the amassment of home runs, no matter who holds the bat. We still appreciate the singular drama, but have turned on the gluttonous bulk, the process of sorting the real from the enhanced. Thats good, too, because at the current rate there will be almost 600 fewer home runs hit this season the summer after Mitchell than last season. Less sorting that way. But, also, less room in our baseball souls for Griffey, for what hes done, presumably above all of that.

Thats a good question, Dunn says. Ive been wondering the same thing. Its a huge deal and its almost swept under the rug. I mean, 600. Six hundred! Its unbelievable. This is so disappointing. Hes a great guy, first and foremost. What hes done for the game of baseball, its sad. Its a shame. And its sad.

This is the damage inflicted by the era. The numbers add up, but dont make sense. That is the broad harm done, perhaps irreparably. In person, however, the harm is held in a bemused grin, a what-am-I-supposed-to-say shrug, an uncomfortable shift from his seat on top of an equipment trunk.

I cant worry about that, he says again. I just cant.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Are8ucXuJ.FaVnxUjbAjKxsRvLYF?slug=ti-griffey052108&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Always Red
05-23-2008, 02:39 PM
No buzz? Really?

I follow this team religiously, and I hear talk about 600 every single day- and have for nearly a year now. Every time Junior is up to the plate, it is talked about and graphics of his place in history are shown.

I'm not tired of hearing about Junior's feat, but I am tired of hearing about how there is no buzz. There is plenty of talk around here and around this team, every single day, about this accomplishment.

If the national media (which is where we are reading these complaints of late) thinks there is not enough buzz, then they have no one to blame but themselves for not making more of this.

Joseph
05-23-2008, 03:07 PM
There is not buzz. There is some promotion, in an obligatory sense, from our broadcasters/announcers.

I love Junior as much as the next guy, but no one cares. It's a number. It could and should be celebrated much more than it is, but its not.

Its not the national medias fault. Its not our fault as fans.

Its the Reds fault for not winning more than they are.

The old saying goes, winning fixes everything. Junior has hit at least half or more of his homers for teams that just plain weren't relevant to baseball. There was some excitement in mid-90s Seattle I guess, but his tenure here has been fairly below the radar.

We don't win. Numbers don't matter when you don't win.

Sorry for Griffey, he did it the right way, no question about it. He'll go to the HoF, he'll get his 600, he's made his millions, he's had his adoration, I'm not going to feel bad the national media isn't all over this one.

This teams gotten me beyond the point of caring.

Nugget
05-23-2008, 04:30 PM
Its a case that Junior is less appreciated in a REDS uniform than he should be. The fact that the REDS are losing is one thing. But Junior is being blamed by some to being a root of the REDS problems which contributes to the antipathy shown by the home town fans. That and the fact that there have been a contingent who believe that signing Junior has caused a number of problems, that he was an injury risk after all those years at the kingdome, his salary was unworkable at a small market club, etc. has culminated in the less than stellar status we are seeing for the milestone. Coupled with the national antipathy towards baseball Junior milestone may not be marked by many but it will be truly remembered by a few.

RedsManRick
05-23-2008, 05:55 PM
It's a milestone, not a record. It deserves to be celebrated, but #600 is not more important than #599 or #601. It's a great thing and I'm very happy for Ken, but I think it's receiving an appropriate amount of attention.

Bill
05-23-2008, 06:16 PM
Griffey was expected to be much further along than 600 hit at this point in time. Yes, 600 is a great milestone, but to some, it probably seems a bit of a letdown (in terms of the potential they expected).

gm
05-23-2008, 07:38 PM
Like I said last week, in 8 short years Griffey has gone from one of the greatest players of all time to "the old fart who's blocking Jay Bruce"


"I’ve done pretty much everything as a professional athlete except one thing – win a World Series.”

Usually, it's the sportswriters who will point this out ad nauseum (careers of Ernie Banks, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, etc) but for Junior to continue making this unsolicited remark speaks volumes

jojo
05-23-2008, 08:11 PM
There is not buzz. There is some promotion, in an obligatory sense, from our broadcasters/announcers.

I love Junior as much as the next guy, but no one cares. It's a number. It could and should be celebrated much more than it is, but its not.

Its not the national medias fault. Its not our fault as fans.

Its the Reds fault for not winning more than they are.

The old saying goes, winning fixes everything. Junior has hit at least half or more of his homers for teams that just plain weren't relevant to baseball. There was some excitement in mid-90s Seattle I guess, but his tenure here has been fairly below the radar.

We don't win. Numbers don't matter when you don't win.

Sorry for Griffey, he did it the right way, no question about it. He'll go to the HoF, he'll get his 600, he's made his millions, he's had his adoration, I'm not going to feel bad the national media isn't all over this one.

This teams gotten me beyond the point of caring.

I think this is pretty spot on. Nobody cares about the Reds. Jr is a Red. Nobody cares about Jr.

buckeyenut
05-24-2008, 06:45 AM
Maybe if Jr wasn't hitting 1 HR over the last 150 ABs or so, people would talk more about it. As it is, we'd better wait till he gets to 599 and even then, we might have a wait.

GAC
05-24-2008, 09:02 AM
Its a case that Junior is less appreciated in a REDS uniform than he should be. The fact that the REDS are losing is one thing. But Junior is being blamed by some to being a root of the REDS problems which contributes to the antipathy shown by the home town fans.

He is not the source of their problems, and I haven't heard anyone put all the blame solely on Jr. Anyone who advocates that is delusional and obviously oblivious to the other problems contributing to this team's poor performance.

But his poor production in the #3 spot, as well as his defense in RF, is one of the contributing problems. You sometimes have to address problems one at a time. ;)

It's funny - this FO, this year and last, had no problem DFAing and/or demoting guys for consistently poor performance that was proving detrimental to the team winning. We can all site many examples.

Yet because we are dealing with the likes of a future first ballot HOFer, regardless that his performance on that field is not even coming close to living up to those past credentials due to age, injury, and declining skills, we have to tread lightly.

Dom Heffner
05-24-2008, 09:08 AM
I really tried to examine why even I don't care about the milestone as much as I like Junior and the Reds.

Could it be that this is sort of anticlimactic, given the pace he was on when he jpoined the Reds? I mean, truthfully, Junior should have reached 600 seasons ago.

We were all talking about Griffey breaking Hank's record back in 2000 and here we are in the final days of his career and he is just now hitting number 600. It's more of a letdown than milestone for me. The mind cannot help but think about what could have been and fair or not, missing those 400 plus games in a Reds uniform has dampened the legend.

mth123
05-24-2008, 10:52 AM
Roger Bannister ran a 4 minute mile and it was news. Since then, others have done it and nobody cares.

Sir Edmund Hilary climbed Mt. Everest and it was news. Since then others have done it and nobody cares.

Number 600 falls in that category.

membengal
05-24-2008, 11:58 AM
Maybe if Jr wasn't hitting 1 HR over the last 150 ABs or so, people would talk more about it. As it is, we'd better wait till he gets to 599 and even then, we might have a wait.

That's pretty much it for me.

At his current pace, he will be ready to hit 600 hundred just after the all-star break.

Baseball fever. Catch it.

OnBaseMachine
05-24-2008, 12:31 PM
Great quote from Dunn about his 250th career homer on Hal McCoy's blog:

"Right where I need to be -- not even halfway to Ken Griffey Jr. That’s unbelievable. Not my 250, his 598. I’m ticked that it isn’t being celebrated more.”

http://www.thelotd.com/ctrent/blog

VR
05-24-2008, 12:39 PM
Great quote from Dunn about his 250th career homer on Hal McCoy's blog:

"Right where I need to be -- not even halfway to Ken Griffey Jr. Thats unbelievable. Not my 250, his 598. Im ticked that it isnt being celebrated more.

http://www.thelotd.com/ctrent/blog

I saw that. But at Griffey's pace, he'll hit it in mid July. Plenty of time to plan a grand retirement...er...celebration.

jojo
05-24-2008, 12:41 PM
Gary Carter would've been standing at the turnstile every night reminding everyone who entered the stadium that he was approaching a milestone.

These things are clearly important to Jr based upon how he treats momentos and souveniers but the fact that he doesn't talk about them gives insight into his "makeup" as a clubhouse guy IMO.

Some might argue he hasn't been a leader or a good teammate, but looking over Jr's career I can't see how such an argument could be made credibly....

Spring~Fields
05-24-2008, 12:47 PM
It's a milestone, not a record. It deserves to be celebrated, but #600 is not more important than #599 or #601. It's a great thing and I'm very happy for Ken, but I think it's receiving an appropriate amount of attention.

The Reds team has been losing for many years consecutively, home run accomplishments takes a back seat to the team for me.

MWM
05-24-2008, 12:50 PM
Roger Bannister ran a 4 minute mile and it was news. Since then, others have done it and nobody cares.

Sir Edmund Hilary climbed Mt. Everest and it was news. Since then others have done it and nobody cares.

Number 600 falls in that category.

This is how I feel. It seems like over the last 5 years we've been celebrating HR milestones constantly. So Jr's becomes just another one. We had Jr's 500th, McGwire's 600th, Sosa's 500th (hit at GABP at a game I was at and I was out getting a brat at the time), Sosa's 600th, Bonds' 600th, 700th, 755, etc... Just last year we had Thomas', Thome's, and Arod's 500th. Manny is about to get 500 as well.

I just think fans are bored with it all. The more you have, the less valuable they become.

OnBaseMachine
06-02-2008, 11:48 PM
Lack of Griffey hype baffles Dunn
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By Hal McCoy

Staff Writer

Tuesday, June 03, 2008

PHILADELPHIA Cincinnati Reds outfielder Adam Dunn is mystified and angry.

While a modest Ken Griffey Jr. considers his pursuit of 600 home runs over-hyped, Dunn insists it is under-hyped.

"I have more than 250 home runs and I'm not even halfway to Griffey," said Dunn of his teammate. "I don't get it, don't get why people aren't stoked about it. I can't find a word for it, how bad it is.

"I don't know if people get spoiled. The thing is, you'll never hear controversy about him. None. Nothing. Ever. Not anything. I feel bad, man, because that's something I might not see again in my lifetime. I might have a chance to see it, but you never know.

"Six-hundred home runs? That's special."

Dunn was told that Griffey isn't a self-promoter and doesn't direct attention his way, but Dunn said, "He has to reach a point where he says, 'What else do I have to do?' Good Lord. That's how I feel about it. It is going to be awesome, and I can't wait."

Added Dunn, "Not only does he have a lot of home runs, but that's a lot of games he has played (2,432) and that's a lot of hits (2,610) he has."

Dunn, as were most of the Reds, was stunned that only 35,942 were in Great American Ball Park on Sunday when Griffey had a chance to hit No. 600.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/s/content/oh/story/sports/pro/reds/2008/06/02/ddn060308spredsnotesweb.html

redsrule2500
06-02-2008, 11:51 PM
No buzz? Really?

I follow this team religiously, and I hear talk about 600 every single day- and have for nearly a year now. Every time Junior is up to the plate, it is talked about and graphics of his place in history are shown.

I'm not tired of hearing about Junior's feat, but I am tired of hearing about how there is no buzz. There is plenty of talk around here and around this team, every single day, about this accomplishment.

If the national media (which is where we are reading these complaints of late) thinks there is not enough buzz, then they have no one to blame but themselves for not making more of this.

I agree, I fail to see the "lack of buzz". GABP has 599 in the stadium, FSN has promotions with companies for sponsering "Chase to 600"...and MLB.com even has free showings of every Griffey plate appearance. It's almost TOO MUCH.

mth123
06-03-2008, 05:14 AM
I think the current level of "hype" is appropriate. Hitting 600 HRs is a great accomplishment and it should be pointed out and given respect, but it isn't a central theme (and shouldn't be). It isn't breaking new ground. I said last year that the actual "event" of hitting the 600th home run is nothing more than a footnote at this time. Just like Manny hitting number 500 or somebody getting their 3000th hit. Looking back on a career, its a fantastic accomplishment that sets a player in a class where few others belong, but the actual act of hitting number 600 itself just isn't that big of a deal IMO.

Unless its an event that breaks a major record (and isn't tainted like Bonds was) its just a footnote. I can really only think of three such events in baseball in my lifetime. Aaron's number 715, Rose' number 4192 and Ripken's game where he broke Gehrig's streak. The McGwire hype in 1998 when he and Sosa were going for the 62nd HR was a pretty big deal but that was a chase with an expiration date. He and Sosa had to get there by the end of the season or start all over. These career achievements become more or less inevitable at some point and there is really no drama involved. Everyone knows they are going to happen eventually, so unless they are breaking time tested records once thought unbreakable (like Rose, Aaron and Ripken were) the "newsworthiness" of the actual event has long passed by the time it occurs. The length of time since the last accomplishment also plays into it. Griffey isn't like Willie Mays and becoming the first guy to reach 600 in 30 years. Bonds and Sosa just did the same thing recently. Even Bonds HR record in 2001, before the steroid issues were widely known, wasn't real celebrated because the record had just been broken a couple of years before. It just isn't the same as breaking a record that had been standing for 30+ years.

I took heat last year for saying so, but #600 is a footnote. Congrats to Griff when it happens. Its a fantastic acheivement. The accumulation of that many is awesome. The event itself means little IMO.

KittyDuran
06-03-2008, 06:04 AM
"I have more than 250 home runs and I'm not even halfway to Griffey," said Dunn of his teammate. "I don't get it, don't get why people aren't stoked about it. I can't find a word for it, how bad it is.
Dunn, as were most of the Reds, was stunned that only 35,942 were in Great American Ball Park on Sunday when Griffey had a chance to hit No. 600.Stunned!!!??? It might have ONLY been 35+K but it was a great crowd and going nuts every time Junior came up to bat. Stoked, indeed! Geesh...:thumbdown

Always Red
06-03-2008, 10:35 AM
Stunned!!!??? It might have ONLY been 35+K but it was a great crowd and going nuts every time Junior came up to bat. Stoked, indeed! Geesh...:thumbdown

The media loves to tell us how we have no appreciation for most things (Junior's career in this case), but if we don't, it's because they have not been reporting on it, or helping to create the buzz. Look at the buzz the media created over The Bruce.

Paul Daugherty wrote a column on this today:

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20080603/COL03/806030322/



No buzz for a star in a city that rarely embraces them

Ken Griffey Jr. slow-dances toward 600 home runs to the beat of one hand clapping. Until the weekend just passed, when the bandwagon finally tilted from the weight, libraries held more energy than the stands at Great American Ball Park.

(Great question to ask the 111,542 who went to the games Friday through Sunday: Did you go for the possibility of 600? Or to see Jay Bruce?)

Why so little love for Junior?

Pick your poison:

Griffey symbolizes an era of Reds underachievement.

Griffey has never embraced his hometown.

Griffey doesn't run out ground balls or sprint around the outfield like Ryan Freel.

Griffey is an innocent victim of baseball's cynical Steroid Era.

Six hundred is the new 500.

Did we miss anything?

Griffey doesn't wear his hat backward enough, smile enough, sing the praises of Graeter's and Skyline? Griffey wants to retire as a Seattle Mariner? The Reds haven't made much of 600, either. There is that.

Here's what it really is. Here is why, even as Griffey was third nationally among National League outfielders in the most recent All Star balloting, he can't get a superstar's love in his own town:

We don't love superstars.

Name one that's been loved here.

Eric Davis? He was as good as it gets. It took colon cancer and a cameo re-appearance in 1996 to get him on the local good side. Barry Larkin was a hometown guy who will get considerable Hall of Fame consideration. Our last impressions of him were the money Carl Lindner gave him (too much) and the leadership he showed (not enough).

Johnny Bench is the best catcher who ever lived. He still lives here part of the year. We don't embrace him tightly because he's not real good at signing autographs on demand. What?

Chad Johnson is a borderline superstar who, even when we were on his side, it was iffy. He celebrated too much, he wasn't a team player. Anthony Munoz is the exception that proves the rule. But the label "superstar'' is hard to apply to an offensive tackle.

Nearly 20 years after Pete Rose departed, his stamp remains. We prefer our heroes wear dirty shirts and say nice things about our town.

I wanted to ask Oscar Robertson about this Monday, but the Big O was away on business. Robertson remains arguably Cincinnati's biggest athletic star. He's certainly in the photo with Bench and Rose. Robertson is very much a below-the-radar figure here. Part of that is his choice; some is ours.

The Big O would have added some insight and credibility to the conversation. Regardless, it's hard to understand why one of the best ballplayers of all time, who passes the local hero test of having grown up here, who has never smudged his profession, his town or himself, is met with such benign indifference around here. None of the arguments wash.

Griffey has been a part of an empty nine seasons, largely because ownership never built a team around him, as promised. He hasn't embraced Cincinnati because the town wanted him to be someone he wasn't any longer: The Kid came here at age 30, married with two children.

That said, Griffey hasn't helped himself with you. His reticence has been seen as indifference. You respect him. You don't love him. That doesn't explain why San Francisco stayed blindly loving to Barry Bonds, who allegedly cheated, and whose personality makes Griffey's seem giddy.

Griffey doesn't run perpetually hard because he can't. Having a hamstring reattached after it tore from the bone could slow a man down. As for the Steroid Era dulling his achievement, that's crazy. Parents should be taking their impressionable kids to the ballpark now, pointing at Griffey and telling them that Junior restored some nobility to baseball greatness.

Six hundred is not the new 500. Only five players have reached 600. Only three - Aaron, Ruth and Mays - did it cleanly. On today's radar screen, only Alex Rodriguez is close to a sure thing to reach 600 homers. It's an epic achievement. More should have been made of it.

Ken Griffey Jr. likely will get No. 600 on the road, possibly during the next three days in Philly. Citizens Bank Park is almost as made-for-softball as GABP is. We'll applaud Griffey when he returns. We might even stand up, briefly. In Cincinnati, we're nothing if not polite.

E-mail pdaugherty@enquirer.com


Now, there is a lot of truth in what Paul writes, there always is. But what Paul Daugherty accuses us of, he is guilty of doing so himself, only to a higher degree. I don't recall too many Daugherty columns in the past in praise of Junior's achievements over the last 9 years, do you? The media in this town started this "lack of buzz." I won't let them turn around and blame us for it.

Face it, when the Reds have been this bad for this long, it's hard to get excited about anything that doesn't involve more WINS.

westofyou
06-03-2008, 10:46 AM
http://newengland.comcastsportsnet.com/wickedgoodsports/red-sox/as-griffey-approaches-600-mlb-whitewashes-history/


During Sunday’s Red Sox/Orioles game, which I watched on MLB.TV, the league ran a promotional commercial for Ken Griffey’s approach to 600 home runs. Backed by maudlin piano music, a Costas-like narrator says the following script, to the accompaniment of pictures and video:

“Willie Mays, September 22, 1969…600.
Babe Ruth, August 21, 1931…600.
Hank Aaron, April 27, 1971…600.”

Then the screen flips to Griffey, who sits at 599, and he says, “Ken Griffey Jr…. keep watching.”

Only five men in Major League Baseball history have hit 600 home runs – the aforementioned three, plus Barry Bonds (762) and Sammy Sosa (609). So, why weren’t the dates of their 600th home runs included in MLB’s tribute to Griffey’s pursuit? I guess it’s possible that mentioning all five players would take too long for a quick, effective commercial. And I guess it’s possible that Barry Bonds will make the Hall of Fame someday. What’s more likely, however, is that Major League Baseball is whitewashing history.

Rather than group Griffey together with three Hall of Famers and two alleged steroids cheats, the league decided to exclude Bonds (the all-time home run champion) and Sosa, who reached 600 just last year. Now, I’m no steroids apologist, but that’s deceitful, dumb, and the act of a weenie (Mr. Selig). Bonds and Sosa’s numbers haven’t been stricken from the record. Moreover, they were the last two players to reach this cherished plateau. Yet to watch MLB.TV, you’d think a hitter hadn’t reached 600 since (cue the solemn piano music)… “Hank Aaron, April 27, 1971.” Why make the commercial at all if you’re going to insult the intelligence of baseball fans?

The players, the owners, the managers, the trainers, the umpires, the reporters, the fans – everyone who’s maintained any association with baseball over the last two decades bears some responsibility for the steroids culture. Everyone. Earlier this year, it irked me when pitchers like Mike Mussina and Pedro Martinez bragged about how successful they’d been pitching during that era. They honestly tried to sell the idea that their personal achievements were unblemished; that they didn’t benefit from the contributions of teammates who used performance-enhancing drugs. Please.

You can say it’s honorable that Mussina and Martinez didn’t rat out their teammates; I say it’s more honorable to act like you’re not above the fray. Mike Mussina, Barry Bonds, Ken Griffey Jr., Roger Clemens, David Ortiz, Derek Jeter and Sammy Sosa all share one thing in common – they all played during the steroids era. No one escaped unblemished. Consequently, Griffey shouldn’t get the velvet rope treatment as he approaches 600, and Bonds and Sosa shouldn’t get wiped from the slate. I mean, what’s gonna happen when Derek Jeter approaches 4,000 hits? Is Ty Cobb gonna get a 30-second commercial all to himself? Ya know, since Cobb is the Hall of Famer, but Pete Rose is the ****** bag?

“MLB.TV…keep whitewashing history.”

vaticanplum
06-03-2008, 10:46 AM
There will be a lot more press when he hits it. I was unaware that Manny was approaching 500, but the second it happened, it was everywhere.

buckeyenut
06-03-2008, 05:52 PM
This has to be the loudest "quiet" milestone I have ever seen.

MartyFan
06-03-2008, 06:33 PM
I think the article pretty well pointed out everything...the era we live in, the scandals, the "hero's" that fell because they were "juiced" have made the milestone seem less than it actually is...also the sheer number of players who are hitting lots and lots of HR's now have reduced the impact of the whole event.

Remember when Foster hit 50? It was like he was a TITAN or even HERCULES...now days...big deal. Still in that era, for someone to hit 50 dingers was nearly mind boggling.