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ChatterRed
05-24-2008, 05:01 AM
April 2 Reds beat Arizona 6-5. EE hits 3 run homer in 9th to win it.
April 3 Reds beat Arizona 3-2. Cueto goes 7 innings, gives up 1 run, fans 10.
April 4 Reds lose to Philly 8-4.
April 5 Reds beat Philly 4-3. Harang goes 7 innings, gives up 2 runs, K's 6. Cordero pitches a scoreless 9th. Reds win it in bottom of 9th with Bako single to knock in Ryan Freel.

April 6 Reds beat Philly 8-2. Volquez goes 5 innings, gives up 1 run, fans 8. Keppinger goes 3-5 with 1 HR, 3 RBI.
April 7 Reds lose 5-3 to Philly.
April 8 Reds lose 3-2 to Brewers.
April 9 Reds win 12-4 over Brewers. Patterson, Griffey, Phillips, and Dunn all come up big in lopsided win.

April 10 Reds win 4-1 over Brewers. Harang pitches 8 innings, gives up 1 run, and EE hits a 2 run HR in the 7th to seal the deal. Cordero pitches a 1-2-3 9th inning with 1 K.

April 11 Reds lose 1-0 at Pittsburgh.
April 12 Reds lose 4-3 at Pittsburgh.
April 13 Reds lose 9-1 at Pittsburgh.

April 15 Reds lose 9-5 at Chicago.
April 16 Reds lose 12-3 at Chicago.
April 17 Reds win 9-2 at Chicago. Volquez goes 5 innings, gives up 1 run, K's 7. Votto homers and knocks in 5 rbi's. Griffey homers and knocks in 3. EE goes 2 for 4 with 2 runs scored.

April 18 Reds lose to Brewers 5-2.
April 19 Reds lose to Brewers 5-3.
April 20 Reds win 4-3 over Brewers. Harang goes 8 innings, gives up 1 run. Bullpen blows it. Reds down 3-1 in bottom of 9th. EE homers. Bako homers. Griffey knocks in winning run. EE homers twice in game.

April 21 Reds lose to Dodgers 9-3.
April 22 Reds win over Dodgers 8-1. I was at this game. Volquez totally dominant goes 7 innings, gives up 1 run, K's 7. Hairston goes 4-5 with 3 rbi.

April 23 Reds lose 9-3 to Houston.
April 24 Reds lose 5-3 to Houston.
April 25 Reds lose 3-1 at SF.
April 26 Reds win 10-9 at SF. Freel, EE, Votto, and Keppinger all contribute in 7th inning to give Reds 4 run cushion. Bullpen almost blows it giving up 3 runs in 9th to SF. Reds still win.
April 27 Reds win 10-1 at SF. Volquez goes 7 innings, gives up 1 run, strikes out 10. Phillips homers, goes 3-5, knocks in 3 runs.

April 28 Reds win 4-3 at Cardinals. Arroyo goes 6 innings, gives up 3 runs. Reds score 4 runs early in game and bullpen of Burton, Affeldt and Cordero hold them scoreless last 3 innings. EE goes 2-4 with 2 rbi.

April 29 Reds lose 7-2 at Cardinals.
April 30 Reds lose 5-2 at Cardinals.

May 2 Reds lose 2-0 at Braves.
May 3 Reds lose 9-1 at Braves.
May 4 Reds lose 14-7 at Braves.
May 5 Reds win 5-3 over Chicago. Reds score 3 in the first inning with contributions from Griffey, EE, Phillips, Votto, and Keppinger. Dunn hits 2 run homer in 3rd. Cueto goes 6 innings, gives up 3 runs, K's 8. Bullpen pitches 3 innings of shutout combined by Lincoln, Weathers and Cordero.

May 6 Reds lose 3-0 to Chicago.
May 7 Reds win 9-0 over Chicago. Volquez pitches 7 shutout innings and K's 10. Votto hits 3 HR's with 4 rbi.

May 10 Reds lose 12-6 at Mets.
May 10 Reds win 7-1 at Mets. Arroyo goes 8 innings, gives up 1 run, K's 9. Keppinger goes 5-5. Hatteberg knocks in 3 runs.

May 11 Reds lose 8-3 at Mets.
May 12 Reds win 8-7 over Marlins. Keppinger and Phillips each hit 2 run homers in 7th inning to seal the win. Cordero pitches scoreless 9th.

May 13 Reds win 5-3 over Marlins. Volquez goes 6 innings, gives up 1 run. Cordero scoreless 9th. Votto homers in 7th to pad the lead.

May 14 Reds win 7-6 over Marlins. Arroyo pitches 7 scoreless innings. Bullpen blows it. Burton pitches 1-2-3 9th inning for win. Janish has game winning single. Hairston 3-4 with 2 runs scored. Griffey, Phillips and Dunn (HR#7) all contribute offensively.

May 16 Reds win 4-3 over Indians. Cueto goes 6 innings giving up 3 runs (all on HR's), K's 7. Burton, Affeldt, Weathers and Cordero combine for 3 scoreless innings for win. Dunn stars in 8th, taking a walk with bases loaded for the win.
May 17 Reds win 4-2 over Indians. Harang pitches 7 innings of 1 run baseball. Dunn hits walkoff 3 run homer to win it in 9th.

May 18 Reds win 6-4 over Indians. 2 run pinch hit homer by Votto in 6th inning seals the deal. Volquez goes 6 innings giving up 2 runs. Cordero strikes out 2 in 9th for save.

May 19 Reds lose 6-5 at Dodgers.
May 20 Reds lose 4-1 at Dodgers.
May 21 Reds lose 5-2 at Dodgers.
May 22 Reds lose 8-2 at SD.
May 23 Reds win 3-2 at SD. Volquez pitches 6 innings, gives up 1 run, strikes out 12. Dunn hits HR in top of 9th to take lead. Cordero strikes out 2 in 9th to seal the deal.

I realize this is subjective as to who I think the heroes were in each win. But here is my count. Each player gets a point for being mentioned as a major contributor to the win.

Cordero 9
Volquez 7
EE 6
Dunn 6
Votto 5
Keppinger 5
Griffey 5
Phillips 4
Harang 4
Cueto 3
Arroyo 3
Burton 3
Hairston 2
Bako 2
Affeldt 2
Weathers 2
Freel 1
Patterson 1
Lincoln 1
Hatteberg 1
Janish 1

Ghosts of 1990
05-24-2008, 09:49 AM
Dunn and Volquez

Maldez
05-24-2008, 11:44 AM
Brandon Phillips is one of the MVPs on the team.

Nasty_Boy
05-24-2008, 11:47 AM
Brandon Phillips is one of the MVPs on the team.


Nope!

BucksandReds
05-24-2008, 01:36 PM
Phillips has not been that good this year. Actually I think that Dunn, Griffey, EE and Phillips have hit at least a little worse than most expected. We are at least a .500 team with our hitting from previous years. Our pitching is suddenly around average and not terrible and our hitting has gone from above average to below average.

mroby85
05-24-2008, 01:51 PM
Brandon Phillips is one of the MVPs on the team.

ur right maldez, phillips is a stud.

Kingspoint
05-24-2008, 02:42 PM
Volquez and Keppinger.

When Keppinger left and his .450 BA with RISP left with him he was leading the team in RBI's despite not hitting from one of the true RBI spots (3, 4, or 5).

If Volquez doesn't pitch the way he does and instead turns in a typical REDS line 4.50 to 5.00 ERA, Volquez doesn't win 3 games, and the team goes into the biggest funk in the Majors, never ending losing streaks, and being lost for the season. But Patterson would still lead off.

Blue
05-24-2008, 03:14 PM
Dunn, Volquez, and Cordero right now. By the end of the season, Dunn will have had his best season yet. He has an excellent OPS and his peripheral numbers are even better. His BB/AB and BB/SO ratios are just great this season.

This is kind of a difficult question, because you have to take into account that Phillips gold glove caliber defense at a premium position makes him more valuable than his offensive numbers (which are pretty good) indicate.

ChatterRed
05-24-2008, 07:33 PM
Dunn, Volquez, and Cordero right now. By the end of the season, Dunn will have had his best season yet. He has an excellent OPS and his peripheral numbers are even better. His BB/AB and BB/SO ratios are just great this season.

This is kind of a difficult question, because you have to take into account that Phillips gold glove caliber defense at a premium position makes him more valuable than his offensive numbers (which are pretty good) indicate.

Strangely enough, I would add EE to that mix. He seems to hit when it's most needed. His overall numbers don't really stand out, but he's our Tony Perez.

Blue
05-24-2008, 08:00 PM
Strangely enough, I would add EE to that mix. He seems to hit when it's most needed. His overall numbers don't really stand out, but he's our Tony Perez.

I just don't care about numbers with RISP or late and close. RISP numbers don't consider guys that get on-base first or when a guy is on first, late and close doesn't consider people who get a lot of hits early in games when the outcome is obviously in doubt. I'm one who doesn't believe in clutch players, just clutch hits. David Ortiz is regarded as one of the best clutch hitters in the game, but his numbers in big situations aren't much different from his regular numbers. Significantly better RISP numbers, I believe, can be chalked up to small sample size.

Hondo
05-24-2008, 08:03 PM
I just don't care about numbers with RISP or late and close. RISP numbers don't consider guys that get on-base first or when a guy is on first, late and close doesn't consider people who get a lot of hits early in games when the outcome is obviously in doubt. I'm one who doesn't believe in clutch players, just clutch hits. David Ortiz is regarded as one of the best clutch hitters in the game, but his numbers in big situations aren't much different from his regular numbers. Significantly better RISP numbers, I believe, can be chalked up to small sample size.


I agree with you. EE is just going to be a so so, a lil bit better Willie Greene...

Adam Dunn is resposible for 1/3 the wins, Edinson Volquez the other 1/3, and a few other players contributed to the rest of the wins including EE and Janish...

But the 2 most responsible are AD and EV...

Cordero closing.

bubbachunk
05-24-2008, 10:34 PM
Without Volkie this team is easily 12-15 games under 500 instead of 5.

Kingspoint
05-25-2008, 01:13 AM
Brandon Phillips is one of the MVPs on the team.

He is the MVP of the team.

Reds Fan Chris
05-25-2008, 03:12 AM
Edinson Volquez, Dunn, Griffey, Keppinger at the beginning.

Kingspoint
05-25-2008, 05:34 AM
Edinson Volquez, Dunn, Griffey, Keppinger at the beginning.

What about Phillips and his All-Star Defense every day along with him having 30% more Total Bases than ANY player on the team?

Nasty_Boy
05-25-2008, 09:05 AM
He is the MVP of the team.


He's behind Dunn, Volquez, and he's in the mix with Kepp and Cordero.

Kingspoint
05-25-2008, 04:46 PM
He's behind Dunn, Volquez, and he's in the mix with Kepp and Cordero.


I know "Chicks" dig the longball, but Dunn's homers aren't MVP worthy. He's still hitting under .200 with RISP. He chokes when it counts. His defense is forgetable. He's Dave Kingman at best. Dunn's play is rarely the reason that the REDS' win games. It's more often the reason the REDS' lose games.

IrishDavidKY
05-25-2008, 05:23 PM
Volquez and Keppinger. However, lately Dunn has taken the place of Keppinger since being put on the DL.

Kingspoint
05-25-2008, 07:06 PM
Volquez and Keppinger. However, lately Dunn has taken the place of Keppinger since being put on the DL.


Yes, and Nasty Boy, I'd give Dunn MVP for May.

kfm
05-26-2008, 01:35 PM
I know "Chicks" dig the longball, but Dunn's homers aren't MVP worthy. He's still hitting under .200 with RISP. He chokes when it counts. His defense is forgetable. He's Dave Kingman at best. Dunn's play is rarely the reason that the REDS' win games. It's more often the reason the REDS' lose games.

Maybe I am mistaken, but to say Dunn doesn't deliver in big spots a week after he hits a walk off against the indians, and on the west coast trip goes deep in the first game to give the reds a lead against LA when the defense and Arroyo let this team down and then hits a homerun off of hoffman to win the game then gives the reds a lead yesterday with a homerun. I think Dunn backers over value how good he is, but Dunn bashers try to convice you that the reason this team loses is not because of the lousy bullpen or starting pitching its because of Dunn. I come down with the dunn backers on this one.

Kingspoint
05-26-2008, 06:14 PM
Maybe I am mistaken, but to say Dunn doesn't deliver in big spots a week after he hits a walk off against the indians, and on the west coast trip goes deep in the first game to give the reds a lead against LA when the defense and Arroyo let this team down and then hits a homerun off of hoffman to win the game then gives the reds a lead yesterday with a homerun. I think Dunn backers over value how good he is, but Dunn bashers try to convice you that the reason this team loses is not because of the lousy bullpen or starting pitching its because of Dunn. I come down with the dunn backers on this one.

The post above you said that I would give Dunn the MVP for May. Apology accepted.

freestyle55
05-27-2008, 06:59 PM
I know "Chicks" dig the longball, but Dunn's homers aren't MVP worthy. He's still hitting under .200 with RISP. He chokes when it counts. His defense is forgetable. He's Dave Kingman at best. Dunn's play is rarely the reason that the REDS' win games. It's more often the reason the REDS' lose games.

Actually, he is right in line with today's best players as to home runs when needed (i.e. the game is close) and hr's with men on base.

He's considerably better than Dave Kingman, and as has been stated a billion times, he's cut his K rate, increased his BB rate, all from the 7 spot with no one behind him, and his defense has improved this year...

I think you've got it backwards as to the fact that he's rarely the reason that the Reds lose, and more often the reason that they win...

He got it!
05-27-2008, 07:07 PM
I can think of a game in Wrigley that Votto single-handedly won for us.

For the most part I think it has been Phillips, Dunn, Volquez, and Votto.

redlegs2370
05-28-2008, 12:40 AM
wow, I see Volquez's name in almost every post and yet some people still think the trade was a bad idea.

I would also have to say Dunn, Volquez, Cordero and Bako. I think Cordero and Bako have done a great job with the development of the young pitchers and Bako has done a great job calling the game with the Reds young pitchers.

BucksandReds
05-28-2008, 01:10 AM
Dunn is starting to turn it on as the true most important player on this team. As Dunn goes so go the Reds. It's going to be interesting if he wants to give the Reds an I'm comfortable with this team semi discount. If not then we sign him before he is an FA or he walks. I just see the Red Sox saying bye bye Manny and hello Adam. He would fit in well there and be a great replacement for the aging Ramirez.

Blue
05-28-2008, 01:15 AM
I know "Chicks" dig the longball, but Dunn's homers aren't MVP worthy. He's still hitting under .200 with RISP. He chokes when it counts. His defense is forgetable. He's Dave Kingman at best. Dunn's play is rarely the reason that the REDS' win games. It's more often the reason the REDS' lose games.

Dunn, in his worst season, was better than Dave Kingman. Its not even close. I don't know how you can say that, other than you hate the guy and don't care how wrong you are.

In fact, this entire post is complete garbage. Oh, what's that? He's hitting under .200 w/ RISP? Well, guess what? Now he's hitting .256/.397/.558 . I guess in the 3 days since you typed that he's morphed into the greatest clutch hitter since whoever the last guy is that you think was a great clutch hitter. "He chokes when it counts." Yeah, him and everyone else who has ever played a game where even the great ones fail 7/10 times.

Rarely the reason the Reds win games, more often the reason they lose them? Prove it. Oh, wait. YOU CAN'T, BECAUSE ITS NOT TRUE.

BucksandReds
05-28-2008, 01:46 AM
I think that this season should just show that Dunn will be Dunn. Not the best player in the league but at the right price, the right man in left field. Now Bruce needs to replace Jr next year.

Kingspoint
05-28-2008, 03:06 AM
Dunn, in his worst season, was better than Dave Kingman. Its not even close. I don't know how you can say that, other than you hate the guy and don't care how wrong you are.

In fact, this entire post is complete garbage. Oh, what's that? He's hitting under .200 w/ RISP? Well, guess what? Now he's hitting .256/.397/.558 . I guess in the 3 days since you typed that he's morphed into the greatest clutch hitter since whoever the last guy is that you think was a great clutch hitter. "He chokes when it counts." Yeah, him and everyone else who has ever played a game where even the great ones fail 7/10 times.

Rarely the reason the Reds win games, more often the reason they lose them? Prove it. Oh, wait. YOU CAN'T, BECAUSE ITS NOT TRUE.

What good does it do to bat .256 when you hit .200 over your entire career with RISP?

He's been fantastic this May and this should be the best year of his Major League career, as he is 28 years old. Enjoy what he does this year, as it should be a good one.

aerontg
05-28-2008, 03:58 AM
I would like to see more runners get on base in front of Dunn, just to see what he could do over a season, given the opportunity. In my mind, he seems to be more of a solo shot type of slugger, but I don't know that that is a reflection on the team's poor OBP in general, or that he is such a poor "clutch" hitter. I also fail to see how it is appropriate that any member could say that any other member's post is complete garbage.

freestyle55
05-28-2008, 02:51 PM
I would like to see more runners get on base in front of Dunn, just to see what he could do over a season, given the opportunity. In my mind, he seems to be more of a solo shot type of slugger, but I don't know that that is a reflection on the team's poor OBP in general, or that he is such a poor "clutch" hitter. I also fail to see how it is appropriate that any member could say that any other member's post is complete garbage.

I suppose I'll just post this in every thread that has the name Dunn in it until this finally gets understood...

He hits HR's with men on base just as well as any other slugger in recent history...

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1607563#post1607563

113/252 now, for 44.84%

Hondo
05-28-2008, 03:30 PM
Just one question? Where are all you Dunn Haters now that he is tearing it up? Is this like Bears with hybernation?