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reds44
05-24-2008, 08:02 PM
The Bats just started. Bruce is in CF and batting 3rd, with Maloney on the mound.

reds44
05-24-2008, 08:04 PM
Bruce Ks on 5 pitches.

Blue
05-24-2008, 08:08 PM
Stubbs has already walked twice for Sarasota.

reds44
05-24-2008, 08:09 PM
Sarasota is up 7-1 in the 3rd.

Frazier is 1-1 with a BB and 2 runs. Stubbs has a pair of walks and a run.

OnBaseMachine
05-24-2008, 08:11 PM
Bruce hasn't homered in six days - he's due. ;)

Blue
05-24-2008, 08:13 PM
Bruce hasn't homered in six days - he's due. ;)

They're probably kicking themselves for not trading him for Jacques Jones in the offseason.

OnBaseMachine
05-24-2008, 08:14 PM
Maloney allows a leadoff single but get two strikeouts to get out of the inning.

OnBaseMachine
05-24-2008, 08:16 PM
I wonder how good of a defensive center fielder Chris Heisey is? He's got some nice numbers in Sarasota.

dougdirt
05-24-2008, 08:18 PM
Dayton is tied at 0-0 heading to the second. No one has reached base for either team.

OnBaseMachine
05-24-2008, 08:26 PM
Strikeout, flyout, lineout in the second inning for Maloney.

2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 3 K

dougdirt
05-24-2008, 08:29 PM
Juan Francisco with his 8th HR of the year.

Drew Stubbs with a single, now 1-1 with 2 walks today.

OnBaseMachine
05-24-2008, 08:30 PM
Juan Francisco just belted his 8th homerun of the year. 8-1 Sarasota.

Frazier: 1-for-2 walk
Francisco: 2-for-3 homerun (#8)
Stubbs: 1-for-1 two walks
Heisey: 1-for-2 walk

Kc61
05-24-2008, 08:30 PM
Juan Francisco homered for Sarasota. Doesn't get a lot of props around here because of his lack of walks, but he's a 20 year old at High A ball playing against older guys and doing extremely well. A very good prospect.

dougdirt
05-24-2008, 08:34 PM
Juan Francisco homered for Sarasota. Doesn't get a lot of props around here because of his lack of walks, but he's a 20 year old at High A ball playing against older guys and doing extremely well. A very good prospect.

He has 3 walks and 45 strikeouts this year. Thats a 15-1 ratio of strikeouts to walks. Thats downright terrible to be nice about it. Love his power potential, but his 'swing at everything' is going to hold him back big time.

cincyinco
05-24-2008, 08:36 PM
Maloney has really come on of late. Hope he keeps it up. I still like this kid a lot more than most.

OnBaseMachine
05-24-2008, 08:36 PM
Casey Fossum is dominating the Louisville lineup right now. Nine up, nine down and six strikeouts.

OnBaseMachine
05-24-2008, 08:38 PM
Maloney has really come on of late. Hope he keeps it up. I still like this kid a lot more than most.

Same here. I think he's got a chance to be a solid major league starter.

reds44
05-24-2008, 08:38 PM
Maloney:
3 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 5 K

OnBaseMachine
05-24-2008, 08:39 PM
Another nice inning by Maloney: lineout, strikeout, strikeout.

3 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 5 K

Kc61
05-24-2008, 08:39 PM
He has 3 walks and 45 strikeouts this year. Thats a 15-1 ratio of strikeouts to walks. Thats downright terrible to be nice about it. Love his power potential, but his 'swing at everything' is going to hold him back big time.

Doug -- the guy is 20.

Look at the people we compare him to at the same level. Frazier; Stubbs; Heisey. All are two or even three years older. Yet Francisco is holding his own with them, even better in some departments.

He has a clear deficiency in plate discipline. He also has a number of years to improve in that area before being at the usual age for major league rookies.

He probably thinks he can hit everything these A ball pitchers throw. With maturity, he'll realize that he's not superman and is better off with some patience.

Aronchis
05-24-2008, 08:42 PM
The big lefty is about ready for a callup. I would give him another few starts to continue to get into a groove then dump Belisle.

dougdirt
05-24-2008, 08:45 PM
Doug -- the guy is 20.

Look at the people we compare him to at the same level. Frazier; Stubbs; Heisey. All are two or even three years older. Yet Francisco is holding his own with them, even better in some departments.

He has a clear deficiency in plate discipline. He also has a number of years to improve in that area before being at the usual age for major league rookies.

He probably thinks he can hit everything these A ball pitchers throw. With maturity, he'll realize that he's not superman and is better off with some patience.

Yeah, he is young but he hasn't changed his approach yet and you generally don't make dramatic improvements. If he were to TRIPLE his current walk rate from now until the time he is 23 years old, he would still be an absolute hacker at the plate. Coming into the game his isolated discipline number was 10 points. He was hitting .292 and his OBP was .302. The fact is, he is going to have to make historic improvements to his discipline, or learn to hit .320 to ever be a decent player in the major leagues.

He is on pace to walk less than 8 times in 500 plate appearances. He could not swing at a single pitch in 500 plate appearances and walk more than that and I really believe that.

reds44
05-24-2008, 08:46 PM
Bruce: 0-2, 2 K

OnBaseMachine
05-24-2008, 08:46 PM
Casey Fossum has retired all 12 Louisville hitters with eight strikeout.

dougdirt
05-24-2008, 08:47 PM
Just wanted to point out that the team Sarasota is playing, the St Lucie Mets have a record of 10-38 on the season.

Aronchis
05-24-2008, 08:47 PM
Fossum is putting up the type of numbers Bailey should be putting up if he would pull his............;)

OnBaseMachine
05-24-2008, 08:50 PM
Maloney's 4th inning: pop out, line out, ground out.

4 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 5 K

Kc61
05-24-2008, 08:51 PM
Yeah, he is young but he hasn't changed his approach yet and you generally don't make dramatic improvements. If he were to TRIPLE his current walk rate from now until the time he is 23 years old, he would still be an absolute hacker at the plate. Coming into the game his isolated discipline number was 10 points. He was hitting .292 and his OBP was .302. The fact is, he is going to have to make historic improvements to his discipline, or learn to hit .320 to ever be a decent player in the major leagues.

He is on pace to walk less than 8 times in 500 plate appearances. He could not swing at a single pitch in 500 plate appearances and walk more than that and I really believe that.

Wouldn't be historic at all, because many hitters at his age haven't even gone pro yet. Francisco has lots of time to change his approach. You can't say he needs to double or triple his walks; he currently never walks so those numbers don't mean much; he needs a change of approach and with his talent can probably do it with the right coaching.

dougdirt
05-24-2008, 08:56 PM
Wouldn't be historic at all, because many hitters at his age haven't even gone pro yet. Francisco has lots of time to change his approach. You can't say he needs to double or triple his walks; he currently never walks so those numbers don't mean much; he needs a change of approach and with his talent can probably do it with the right coaching.

They tried to work on it last year in Dayton and it didn't do much. And yeah, I can say historic because there is so much data available on a tens of thousands of minor leaguers throughout history. If Francisco doesn't start taking some walks and cut down on the strikeout rate, he is never going to see a major league field. He is literally going to have to rework his entire plate approach. He is young enough, but he has to be willing to do it. The Reds have already told him he needs to do it and well, it hasn't worked for a year and 2 months to this point, at all.

Side note, Dayton trails 1-0 currently.

dougdirt
05-24-2008, 08:59 PM
Brandon Waring singles in the 4th to break up a no hitter against Dayton.

OnBaseMachine
05-24-2008, 08:59 PM
Fossum K's Andy Phillips to begin the 5th inning. Cabrera is HBP to break up the perfect game. Barker flied out and then Hanigan walked on four pitches before Drew Anderson struckout. A no-hitter with 10 K's through five innings for Fossum.

OnBaseMachine
05-24-2008, 09:02 PM
8-6 Sarasota after 6.

Frazier: 2-for-3 triple, walk
Francisco: 2-for-4 homerun (#8)
Stubbs: 1-for-1 three walks
Heisey: 1-for-3 walk

OnBaseMachine
05-24-2008, 09:10 PM
Strikeout, single, flyout, groundout for Maloney in the 5th inning.

5 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 6 K...70 pitches.

OnBaseMachine
05-24-2008, 09:20 PM
Casey Fossum has a no-hitter through six against the Bats with 11 K's.

BigRed07
05-24-2008, 09:25 PM
Turner RBI single,Eymann RBI double, 2-0 Lookouts.

reds44
05-24-2008, 09:25 PM
Frazier is going to be a really solid player.

If Francisco does ever learn to walk, watch out.

redhawk61
05-24-2008, 09:25 PM
8-6 Sarasota after 6.

Frazier: 2-for-3 triple, walk
Francisco: 2-for-4 homerun (#8)
Stubbs: 1-for-1 three walks
Heisey: 1-for-3 walk

Impressive lines on the night for the future CF and LF

OnBaseMachine
05-24-2008, 09:27 PM
Maloney's 6th: Groundout, strikeout, single, stolen base followed by an intention walk, groundout.

6 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 7 K...82 pitches.

OnBaseMachine
05-24-2008, 09:30 PM
Bruce flies out.

OnBaseMachine
05-24-2008, 09:31 PM
Andy Phillips just hit a one out solo HR in the 7th to break up the no-hitter. 1-0 Louisville.

Spring~Fields
05-24-2008, 09:34 PM
Bruce: 0-2, 2 K

Tell Bruce to stop that, we are all having enough trouble pimping Jay on the big board now. Somewhere Dusty might be smiling. ;)

OnBaseMachine
05-24-2008, 09:46 PM
Sean Watson continues his great pitching by throwing a 1-2-3 9th inning for his 9th save. Sarasota win 8-6.

OnBaseMachine
05-24-2008, 09:48 PM
Maloney's 7th inning: walk, sac bunt, strikeout, groundout

7 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 8 K...102 pitches. His night is done.

NC Reds
05-24-2008, 10:08 PM
Single for Bruce. He's Rod Carew this week. :D

Kc61
05-24-2008, 10:25 PM
Majewski with a perfect eighth and two Ks. That's right, don't be surprised if he's back soon.

Could he replace Lincoln?

toledodan
05-24-2008, 10:37 PM
Majewski with a perfect eighth and two Ks. That's right, don't be surprised if he's back soon.






make it stop! make it stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

Spring~Fields
05-24-2008, 10:44 PM
Maloney's 7th inning: walk, sac bunt, strikeout, groundout

7 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 8 K...102 pitches. His night is done.

Very nice night, we can all appreciate his outing. :)

OnBaseMachine
05-24-2008, 10:48 PM
Single for Bruce. He's Rod Carew this week. :D

Eight game hitting streak for Bruce.

klw
05-24-2008, 11:00 PM
Casey Fossum has a no-hitter through six against the Bats with 11 K's.

Fossum- no chance of it being Roids with that build. :D

UC_Ken
05-24-2008, 11:35 PM
Matt Maloney clearly looks like he's next if the #5 spot keeps imploding.

dougdirt
05-25-2008, 02:07 AM
Didn't see it pointed out anywhere, but Devin Mesoraco extended his hit streak to 6 games tonight as one of only three Dragons to get hits in the game.

RedlegJake
05-25-2008, 03:09 AM
Something tells me Mes ain't going to Billings. He's starting to hit pretty well at Dayton

icehole3
05-25-2008, 09:08 AM
I wonder how good of a defensive center fielder Chris Heisey is? He's got some nice numbers in Sarasota.

saw him a few times with Dayton, my 2 cents is Heisey, Phipps and Stubbs could all play CF no problem, they all had speed to burn. Stubbs was clearly the better CF IMO.

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NJReds
05-25-2008, 10:11 AM
Just wanted to point out that the team Sarasota is playing, the St Lucie Mets have a record of 10-38 on the season.

Omar has decimated the Mets system.

camisadelgolf
05-25-2008, 12:02 PM
Omar has decimated the Mets system.

I find that as no surprise if the organization is willing to trade Sean Henry and Jose Castro just for Jeff Conine.