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fearofpopvol1
05-26-2008, 07:12 PM
Since many are COMPLETELY convinced that Dusty is the problem, would you rather have Jerry Narron as your skipper? I'm not adding additional options because I'm curious to see just how much people dislike Baker.

mth123
05-26-2008, 07:13 PM
What a choice.

I prefer Dusty. Grudgingly.

*BaseClogger*
05-26-2008, 07:14 PM
How much was Jerry Narron paid?

Ron Madden
05-26-2008, 07:14 PM
Six of one, half dozen of the other.

mth123
05-26-2008, 07:16 PM
How much was Jerry Narron paid?

Good point. Narron is easier to fire I suppose. That is a large mark in his favor. But for actual managing, I prefer Dusty. At least he doesn't demoralize his own players.

I'd really prefer a third choice.

reds44
05-26-2008, 07:43 PM
Dusty and it's not even close.

JaxRed
05-26-2008, 07:52 PM
Pete

Marc D
05-26-2008, 07:56 PM
C fan drawn at random from the stands.


We'd be just as well off.

Seriously.

Raisor
05-26-2008, 07:56 PM
Mr Marty Brenneman.

vaticanplum
05-26-2008, 07:57 PM
Scott Hatteberg.

Falls City Beer
05-26-2008, 07:58 PM
Narron actually did what fans accuse Dusty of having done: abuse pitchers.

reds44
05-26-2008, 08:03 PM
Narron actually did what fans accuse Dusty of having done: abuse pitchers.
Yep, and he really wasn't that good in the clubhouse. This one is a no brainer.

Raisor
05-26-2008, 08:05 PM
Here's the big question:

Dusty or....Dikta?

reds44
05-26-2008, 08:07 PM
Here's the big question:

Dusty or....Dikta?
http://www.jimporett.com/images/superfanredux.jpg
DITKA 112
dusty -7

DA BEARS

Spring~Fields
05-26-2008, 08:07 PM
Since many are COMPLETELY convinced that Dusty is the problem, would you rather have Jerry Narron as your skipper? I'm not adding additional options because I'm curious to see just how much people dislike Baker.

Neither, both have had their issues with other clubs before coming here and then when they got here it showed why they were not still employed with their previous employer.

If one had to pick one of the recent castoffs I would pick Pete Mc.

camisadelgolf
05-26-2008, 08:12 PM
If giving myself papercuts on my eyes were the third option, it would've gotten my vote.

edabbs44
05-26-2008, 08:13 PM
The way this team is constructed, it really doesn't matter.

SteelSD
05-26-2008, 08:20 PM
I honestly miss Pete Mackanin. I'm actually serious about that.

Falls City Beer
05-26-2008, 08:22 PM
I want Dusty fired just so I don't have to hear him getting scapegoated for a pitching staff that is 14 out of 15 in the NL.

Spring~Fields
05-26-2008, 08:26 PM
I honestly miss Pete Mackanin. I'm actually serious about that.

I do to, Pete had that unusual knack for seeming to be able to push the right buttons, that I thought that I saw in other winning managers that don't have a coast payroll in personnel to work with.

Falls City Beer
05-26-2008, 08:28 PM
I do to, Pete had that unusual knack for seeming to be able to push the right buttons, that I thought that I saw in other winning managers that don't have a coast payroll in personnel to work with.

Yeah, boy, nothing like vulturing some wins from the carcass of a season in August and September.

Stormy
05-26-2008, 08:47 PM
I honestly miss Pete Mackanin. I'm actually serious about that.

I've missed him since the instant they didn't automatically extend his contract. He made a very similar roster extremely enjoyable to watch. The offense produced in spades (with it's 4 best OBPs batting #1-4), he managed his bench well, and the bullpen was well utilized and developing despite being paper thin at the time. I would like to have seen Pete's steady hand continue to develop the youngsters, and would like to have seen what he could have done with a Volquez and Cueto added to his rotation, and a hammer like Cordero at the back of his 'pen.

I started to sour on 2008 the second Pete was re-signed.

P.S. I'm in the "C" camp as well. I ranted about the Baker hire from Day 1, but he's surpassed even my expectations of rampant irrational ineptitude.

membengal
05-26-2008, 08:48 PM
Neither.

Spring~Fields
05-26-2008, 08:52 PM
Yeah, boy, nothing like vulturing some wins from the carcass of a season in August and September.

At least he was progression..........vulturing.......cracking me up :lol:

Stormy
05-26-2008, 08:53 PM
I want Dusty fired just so I don't have to hear him getting scapegoated for a pitching staff that is 14 out of 15 in the NL.

In March/April the Reds' team ERA for Dusty was 4.37 (which would be good for 6th overall in the league at this point), their accompanying record for that month was 12-17.

Cyclone792
05-26-2008, 08:53 PM
If my choices are Boone, Miley, Narron, Mackanin, and Baker, then I take Mackanin without ever having any second thourghts.

Stormy
05-26-2008, 08:58 PM
Yeah, boy, nothing like vulturing some wins from the carcass of a season in August and September.

Not quite. Pete's team was 10-17 in the "vulture" month of September. In July and August, the Reds went 31-22 under Petey Mac. Nice effort though.

Falls City Beer
05-26-2008, 09:00 PM
In March/April the Reds' team ERA for Dusty was 4.37 (which would be good for 6th overall in the league at this point), their accompanying record for that month was 12-17.

And the offense was ice cold. It's since heated up, but the pitching, predictably, has gone postnuclear.

It's a script this team follows, year after year after year.

Stormy
05-26-2008, 09:05 PM
And the offense was ice cold. It's since heated up, but the pitching, predictably, has gone postnuclear.

It's a script this team follows, year after year after year.

True.

membengal
05-26-2008, 09:06 PM
Indeed, true. But it does bear noting that the offense has shared equally in the relative disappointing straits that this team finds itself in right about now...

camisadelgolf
05-26-2008, 09:22 PM
I was all about the Dusty Baker hiring because it means players of Francisco Corder's caliber would come to Cincinnati. Unfortunately, this has been more than cancelled out by the Corey Patterson ordeal so far. I want Pete Mackanin back. He didn't seem like he had the type of personality that players like in the locker room, but at least he put the right players on the field at the right time.

*BaseClogger*
05-26-2008, 09:45 PM
I want Dusty fired just so I don't have to hear him getting scapegoated for a pitching staff that is 14 out of 15 in the NL.

Well, only a club managed by Dusty could 14 out of 15 when there are 16 teams in the NL... ;)

Caveat Emperor
05-26-2008, 09:47 PM
I honestly miss Pete Mackanin. I'm actually serious about that.

I liked Mackanin -- seemed competent without getting in the way of what was going on with the team. I suppose part of that has to do with the fact that he was managing a team that wasn't really playing for anything other than pride.

I never minded Narron. He committed a great many sins as Reds manager, most of them forgivable (I'd have abused my starters too, if the alternative was that bullpen).

And, even on Narron's worst day, he never gave Corey Patterson a starting job.

BuckeyeRedleg
05-26-2008, 09:51 PM
I honestly miss Pete Mackanin. I'm actually serious about that.

And I as well.

He was the perfect guy for the job.

KronoRed
05-26-2008, 09:57 PM
Jerry, so we could fire him again and bring in someone else

George Anderson
05-26-2008, 10:12 PM
Add me to the list of people who liked Pete Mac.

OnBaseMachine
05-26-2008, 11:30 PM
I honestly miss Pete Mackanin. I'm actually serious about that.

Me too. He actually seemed like a smart fellow who could do a solid job.

reds44
05-26-2008, 11:32 PM
I like Mackanin too, but I wasn't really sold on him from a few months of managing a team playing for nothing.

I would have rather given him a 1 year deal then hired Baker though.

AmarilloRed
05-27-2008, 12:41 AM
Dusty is the better of the 2 options. However, if we were going to go for a big name manager, I would have liked them make a move for Joe Torre.

redsrule2500
05-27-2008, 01:13 AM
Narron for baseball knowledge, salary
Dusty for clubhouse, big name

Overall I'd rather have Narron

RedsBaron
05-27-2008, 12:47 PM
The choice presented by this poll is almost as bad as being asked to name the Twentieth Century's greatest humanitarian and being given Hitler and Stalin as the two candidates.
Between the two, I'd rather have Narron, solely because he would be easier for Reds management to fire.