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Blitz Dorsey
05-30-2008, 10:18 PM
Haha, just kidding.

I think.

Spring~Fields
05-30-2008, 10:26 PM
How about that kid going 4-5 tonight, I think he was worth the call up.

AmarilloRed
05-30-2008, 10:38 PM
I will take the question seriously: He would have to average 200 hits for 21 straight seasons. I am not saying it can't be done, but it is a very hard task, even for Bruce.

George Anderson
05-30-2008, 10:43 PM
I'd say Bruce has a better chance of breaking Pete's record than any bunting records that happen to be out there. :)

Will M
05-30-2008, 10:43 PM
I will take the question seriously: He would have to average 200 hits for 21 straight seasons. I am not saying it can't be done, but it is a very hard task, even for Bruce.

Are we watching the same guy? At this rate Pete's record is toast by 2015. :)

RedsManRick
05-30-2008, 10:44 PM
At this rate, hit number 4257 will occur in 7,967 at bats. Given 550 at bats per season, that's 14.5 seasons, in late August of 2022, at age 36. Congrats on the record Brucie!

:evil:

Highlifeman21
05-30-2008, 10:48 PM
Hypothetically, if Ichiro played every game of his professional career in the US, would he break Rose's record?

I honestly think he would.

Unassisted
05-30-2008, 10:49 PM
If you want to make Pete mad, hop a plane to Vegas and ask him that question in person. :D

Kc61
05-30-2008, 11:12 PM
I don't think Bruce will break that record this year.

*BaseClogger*
05-30-2008, 11:31 PM
I don't think Bruce will break that record this year.

Next year... :D

oregonred
05-30-2008, 11:35 PM
Hypothetically, if Ichiro played every game of his professional career in the US, would he break Rose's record?

I honestly think he would.

Interesting thought. You might be right.

Ichiro has averaged 226 hits a year since he came to the US -- with the lowest of any year at 206 hits. 262 in 2004 was just sick. Ichiro has 1657 hits in 7.33 seasons. At that pace he would have broken Pete's record in just under 19 seasons.

Amazingly, Inchiro could conceiveably reach 3000 MLB hits, depsite not getting hit one until he was 28 years old :eek:

buckeyenut
05-31-2008, 07:02 AM
Interesting thought. You might be right.

Ichiro has averaged 226 hits a year since he came to the US -- with the lowest of any year at 206 hits. 262 in 2004 was just sick. Ichiro has 1657 hits in 7.33 seasons. At that pace he would have broken Pete's record in just under 19 seasons.

Amazingly, Inchiro could conceiveably reach 3000 MLB hits, depsite not getting hit one until he was 28 years old :eek:
Anyone know how many hits ichiro had in the Japanese professional league? I bet you are looking at huge numbers if you take those hits into account.

bucksfan2
05-31-2008, 08:48 AM
Interesting thought. You might be right.

Ichiro has averaged 226 hits a year since he came to the US -- with the lowest of any year at 206 hits. 262 in 2004 was just sick. Ichiro has 1657 hits in 7.33 seasons. At that pace he would have broken Pete's record in just under 19 seasons.

Amazingly, Inchiro could conceiveably reach 3000 MLB hits, depsite not getting hit one until he was 28 years old :eek:

The amazing feet about he hit record is the longevity that it takes in order to even scare the record. Even if a position player comes up at the young age of 21 he would have to consistantly have over 200 hits until he is 40. Take into consideration the way a body breaks down and your skills going down hill the record is a monumental feat.

Could Ichiro have broken the record? That is a very good question. What I would wonder is how his speed and bat speed would be when he gets to 37,38,39,40 years of age. We have all seen Jr and what age does to his bat speed.

Sea Ray
05-31-2008, 08:50 AM
It wouldn't be the ORG without a thread like this.

Jay Bruce is awfully fun to watch and let's hope he has a long, productive career in Cincinnati and let's revisit the hit king talk after he blows by 3000 hits

HumnHilghtFreel
05-31-2008, 08:52 AM
Is there any chance Jay Bruce DOESN'T break Pete's record?;)

rotnoid
05-31-2008, 09:27 AM
Is there any chance Jay Bruce DOESN'T break Pete's record?;)

BLASPHEMER!! ;)

jojo
05-31-2008, 09:34 AM
Here's a little wrinkle to the question-how many would trade Bruce for Pete at a similar age?

Highlifeman21
05-31-2008, 09:57 AM
Here's a little wrinkle to the question-how many would trade Bruce for Pete at a similar age?

Regardless of Pete as a person, I wouldn't trade Bruce for him, at any part of his career.

Pete was a good player with a ton of counting stats records, but I wouldn't consider Pete a great player. And Pete certainly never was the best player on the Reds during the BRM, so I also take that into consideration.

Pete's value was that he played multiple positions and hustled. To me, he's basically a better Ryan Freel, who got regular playing time.

RedlegJake
05-31-2008, 10:05 AM
Regardless of Pete as a person, I wouldn't trade Bruce for him, at any part of his career.

Pete was a good player with a ton of counting stats records, but I wouldn't consider Pete a great player. And Pete certainly never was the best player on the Reds during the BRM, so I also take that into consideration.

Pete's value was that he played multiple positions and hustled. To me, he's basically a better Ryan Freel, who got regular playing time.

I agree. Ryan is very very similar in style to Pete packaged in a much less durable and less strong body. Pete's biggest edge, though, was his baseball instincts compared to Ryan who has none.

membengal
05-31-2008, 11:31 AM
If Bruce goes ahead and averages two hits a game for the rest of his career, I like his chances...

KronoRed
05-31-2008, 01:05 PM
Of course there is a chance, but like Pete he'll need some greenies at some point to make it ;)

Spring~Fields
05-31-2008, 01:10 PM
Of course there is a chance, but like Pete he'll need some greenies at some point to make it ;)

Pete Rose the switch hitter could never lead off on a Baker team, he didn't play ss or cf. And on base percentage means nothing to Baker.

fearofpopvol1
05-31-2008, 01:17 PM
Regardless of Pete as a person, I wouldn't trade Bruce for him, at any part of his career.

Pete was a good player with a ton of counting stats records, but I wouldn't consider Pete a great player. And Pete certainly never was the best player on the Reds during the BRM, so I also take that into consideration.

Pete's value was that he played multiple positions and hustled. To me, he's basically a better Ryan Freel, who got regular playing time.

Pete certainly didn't have the kind of power that Bruce does, but if you bat for over .300 for your long career and pile up 4,256 hits, I think that makes you better than just a good player in my opinion.

oneupper
05-31-2008, 02:12 PM
Rose had his Freel moments, for sure. I remember more than one occasion that his attempt at "stretching" a single cost the team.

Still, comparing him to Freel is terribly unfair. Rose was extremely DURABLE (despite playng all-out), consistant and versatile for a REALLY long time. He'd play injured and still perform.

Granted, he stayed around well after his time should have been up, but man....24 Seasons...with real good numbers.

Ripken's streak regardless, Rose was an ironman in his own right.

Hap
05-31-2008, 02:40 PM
If you want to make Pete mad, hop a plane to Vegas and ask him that question in person.

Also, ask him to place a bet on it.

jojo
05-31-2008, 03:36 PM
Pete certainly didn't have the kind of power that Bruce does, but if you bat for over .300 for your long career and pile up 4,256 hits, I think that makes you better than just a good player in my opinion.

For his career, Pete had an OPS+ of 118. From '65 through '79 I think it's fair to say Pete was a star.

Chip R
05-31-2008, 03:39 PM
Let's see here, 500 ABs a year, 500 hits a year, he may have a shot at it by 2017. ;)

fearofpopvol1
05-31-2008, 03:49 PM
For his career, Pete had an OPS+ of 118. From '65 through '79 I think it's fair to say Pete was a star.

I agree completely. And all the all-star trips during that time (and MVPs for that matter) I think help solidify that.

Edskin
05-31-2008, 04:07 PM
MLB officially retired #42 in honor of Jackie Robinson. Rumor has it they are discussing retiring #32 in honor of Bruce.

Chip R
05-31-2008, 04:09 PM
MLB officially retired #42 in honor of Jackie Robinson. Rumor has it they are discussing retiring #32 in honor of Bruce.


As well they should be. I just don't know why it's taken them this long.

KronoRed
05-31-2008, 04:33 PM
Pete Rose the switch hitter could never lead off on a Baker team, he didn't play ss or cf. And on base percentage means nothing to Baker.

Pete's an 8 hitter for Dusty

Wheelhouse
05-31-2008, 07:26 PM
Hey he's got 8 hits, what's 4248 more!

PuffyPig
05-31-2008, 09:23 PM
Pete Rose the switch hitter could never lead off on a Baker team, he didn't play ss or cf. And on base percentage means nothing to Baker.

Rose played CF for the 1971 Reds, when Tolan's off season injury forced the move.

Reds1
05-31-2008, 09:30 PM
11 or 1st 19 with a walk off HR. He has a shot for offensive player of the week!

Highlifeman21
05-31-2008, 11:44 PM
Pete certainly didn't have the kind of power that Bruce does, but if you bat for over .300 for your long career and pile up 4,256 hits, I think that makes you better than just a good player in my opinion.

Where would you say Pete Rose ranks as best player of all time?

IMHO, Rose is around 100, give or take 5. IMO, to be great, you have to easily crack the top 75, if not the top 50.

Like I said, Pete certainly had his value, but he just played for a long long time, and racked up a bunch of counting stats.

RedlegJake
05-31-2008, 11:51 PM
Where would you say Pete Rose ranks as best player of all time?

IMHO, Rose is around 100, give or take 5. IMO, to be great, you have to easily crack the top 75, if not the top 50.

Like I said, Pete certainly had his value, but he just played for a long long time, and racked up a bunch of counting stats.

Wow. That's a very very tough outlook. I'd split that into the best 75 pitchers and the best 100 position players. If you truly fall into that rank in the long history of baseball then you are a great player. To say just 50 or 75 total players is just too few for the length of baseball history.

oregonred
05-31-2008, 11:55 PM
Pete's value was that he played multiple positions and hustled. To me, he's basically a better Ryan Freel, who got regular playing time.

That one gave me a good laugh...

How about a Chris Sabo 1988 kind of player, but with a 20-year longer career span :p:

toledodan
06-01-2008, 12:02 AM
11 or 1st 19 with a walk off HR. He has a shot for offensive player of the week!

it wouldn't shock me if he was named NLPOTW. isn't there a rookie of the week as well?

WebScorpion
06-01-2008, 05:43 PM
Rose played CF for the 1971 Reds, when Tolan's off season injury forced the move.
...forcing Howsam to trade for Cesar Geronimo (a light-hitting defensive CF) in the off-season. :thumbup:

Matt700wlw
06-01-2008, 05:44 PM
Records shatter due to Bruce's presence.

fearofpopvol1
06-01-2008, 05:49 PM
Where would you say Pete Rose ranks as best player of all time?

IMHO, Rose is around 100, give or take 5. IMO, to be great, you have to easily crack the top 75, if not the top 50.

Like I said, Pete certainly had his value, but he just played for a long long time, and racked up a bunch of counting stats.

Like another poster suggested, I think you have to split it between pitchers and position players. Even if not, I think if you're in the top 100 of all time, you're a great player. I would definitely rank Pete in the top 75 of all time. Not top 10 or 20 or anything like that, but he was a great player.

I think Pete's hits record is one of the harder records to break in baseball. Ichiro would've had a goot shot at it, but outside of him, I don't think anyone else, currently, has shown they are a threat to breakt it. Unless you count Jay Bruce of course.

Cyclone792
06-01-2008, 06:27 PM
It'd take another Cobb to break Rose's record. In fact, if Cobb would have held on a Rose-like fashion, he'd have set the record so far away that Rose wouldn't even have sniffed it. In Cobb's last season, he still hit .323/.389/.431 with a 112 OPS+. His legs were pretty cooked by that point and Cobb couldn't run, but he could still hit all the way up to the end.

As far as where Rose ranks all-time, he's top 50, possibly top 40. Some of it depends if one includes pitchers in that list - he's most definitely top 40 among strictly position players.

jojo
06-01-2008, 06:30 PM
I've been thinking....is there anyway the title of this thread can be edited? This far off from most records, it makes me queasy to read Bruce and breaks in the same sentence....

Cyclone792
06-01-2008, 06:40 PM
By the way, another Cobb tidbit that's simply absurd: Cobb had amassed 549 hits by the end of his age 21 season. That's 4th all-time (Buddy Lewis 1st, with Mel Ott and Robin Yount tied for 2nd).

buckeyenut
06-01-2008, 07:55 PM
Doesn't Jeter at least have a shot at 4,000 hits, if not Rose's record?