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buckeyenut
05-31-2008, 06:27 PM
Jay Bruce is now 10 for his first 17 with 4 walks and 7 runs scored. OBP of .667

Does anyone have a way to do a historical analysis to see how this ranks with the all-time best ML debuts? Has anyone in the history of the game ever had a hotter start? This is absolutely amazing to me.

dougdirt
05-31-2008, 06:33 PM
Willey Mays Hayes?

Spitball
05-31-2008, 06:49 PM
The 1977 Minor League Player of the Year Ted Cox came up with the Red Sox and went six for six to start his career. Cox ended up a short career with a career average in the .240's, but he was package the following winter with (former Red) Bo Diaz for future Hall of Famer Dennis Eckersley.

GAC
05-31-2008, 07:07 PM
Dion Sanders? :lol:

westofyou
05-31-2008, 08:05 PM
Pujols first 92 AB's

.370/.431/.739

OnBaseMachine
05-31-2008, 08:08 PM
Bruce has been on base three or more times in four of five games and at least once in all five games.

OnBaseMachine
05-31-2008, 08:43 PM
Jay Bruce walk off homerun! Bruce was on base four more times today and has been on base four+ times three times in five games. What an amazing start to his career!

Chip R
05-31-2008, 08:46 PM
Roy Hobbs?

Raisor
05-31-2008, 08:48 PM
This just in:

Jay Bruce has had a good first week.

Kc61
05-31-2008, 08:54 PM
Can a guy make the allstar team after a month?

guttle11
05-31-2008, 08:55 PM
Bill Brasky?

Tony Cloninger
05-31-2008, 08:57 PM
Don Zimmer told the Sox brass that Cox had a slow bat......so they shined him up...as they like to say around here and made him attractive to another team....like a bad Indians FO who figured this guy's numbers would appeal to the masses.

I guess this was a case of a baseball man's eyes...overriding what the stats actually said.

Benihana
05-31-2008, 09:05 PM
what is his ops now?

OnBaseMachine
05-31-2008, 09:15 PM
what is his ops now?

.579/.680/.895 - 1.575 OPS.

Been on base 17 of 25 plate appearances (11 hits, 5 walks, 1 HBP).

Marc D
05-31-2008, 09:22 PM
C'mon you guys no bettter than this.......you don't compare Jay Bruce to historical figures, you compare historical figures to Jay Bruce.

If he keeps this up the comparison will be with a certain Jewish carpenter from Nazareth a few years back. ;)

red-in-la
05-31-2008, 09:37 PM
His start actually reminds me of Jeff Francouer. When he debuted with the Braves, nobody could get him out for like a month.

Benihana
05-31-2008, 09:45 PM
His start actually reminds me of Jeff Francouer. When he debuted with the Braves, nobody could get him out for like a month.

Do you still wish we would have traded him for (a two year rental of) Bedard?

OnBaseMachine
05-31-2008, 09:48 PM
His start actually reminds me of Jeff Francouer. When he debuted with the Braves, nobody could get him out for like a month.

Except Francoeur couldn't walk. It took Francoeur 128 plate appearances to draw a walk. Bruce has five walks in 25 plate appearances.

BCubb2003
05-31-2008, 10:01 PM
Kirby Puckett and Bo Jackson were the closest I could find and they were something like 8 for 19 without the walks.

OnBaseMachine
05-31-2008, 10:03 PM
Jay Bruce is now 11-for-19 (.579) in his short career. This was also his third three-hit game in his fifth career MLB game.

Bruce is the second player in the last 50 years to have a trio of three-hit games in his first five games. Kirby Puckett is the only other player to accomplish the feat. He was 12-for-24 (.500) in his first five games in 1984.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=280531117

Spitball
05-31-2008, 10:41 PM
Fred Lynn had quite an impact as a young centerfielder for the Red Sox. He and Jim Rice both first came up late in the 1974 season. Rice was the more anticipated prospect but Lynn stole the spotlight by hitting over .400 and making incredible diving catches in center. In 1975, he had an awesome season winning the ROY and MVP.

Like Eric Davis, playing an all-out-effort centerfield eventually took its toll on his health and production.

Patrick Bateman
06-01-2008, 12:36 AM
Jay Bruce: "What people pretended Chris Denorfia was".

BCubb2003
06-01-2008, 01:05 AM
For some reason we remember the pitchers like David Clyde and Mark "The Bird" Fidrych who flamed out. Among hitters who started out on an amazing run then disappeared, Louis Sockalexis from the 1800s is the only one I can think of. Are there others?

George Anderson
06-01-2008, 01:53 AM
FYI

Junior after his first five games was batting .105.

BCubb2003
06-01-2008, 02:13 AM
FYI

Junior after his first five games was batting .105.

And Willie Mays went 0-12.

westofyou
06-01-2008, 02:49 AM
For some reason we remember the pitchers like David Clyde and Mark "The Bird" Fidrych who flamed out. Among hitters who started out on an amazing run then disappeared, Louis Sockalexis from the 1800s is the only one I can think of. Are there others?


CUCKOO CHRISTENSEN

GIVEN NAME: Walter Niels Christensen
BORN: 10/24/1899 San Francisco, California DIED: 12/20/1984 Menlo Park, California
BAT: L THROW: L HEIGHT: 5'6" WEIGHT: 156 MLB DEBUT: 4/13/1926
CAREER GAMES BY POSITION: LF: 83 CF: 54 RF: 13

YEAR TEAM AGE G AB R H 2B 3B HR HR% RBI BB SO SB CS AVG SLG OBA OPS
1926 Reds 26 114 329 41 115 15 7 0 0.00 41 40 18 8 0 .350 .438 .426 .864
1927 Reds 27 57 185 25 47 6 0 0 0.00 16 20 16 4 0 .254 .286 .330 .617
TOTALS 171 514 66 162 21 7 0 0.00 57 60 34 12 0 .315 .383 .392 .775
LG AVERAGE 493 68 142 23 7 6 1.16 62 42 34 8 0 .288 .399 .348 .747
POS AVERAGE 500 78 149 25 7 6 1.18 60 41 36 9 0 .297 .411 .355 .766

RedsManRick
06-01-2008, 03:03 AM
Ryan Braun?

First season (451 AB): .324/.370/.634

If Bruce does that, I'd be in heaven...

fearofpopvol1
06-01-2008, 03:30 AM
Ryan Braun?

First season (451 AB): .324/.370/.634

If Bruce does that, I'd be in heaven...

As awesome as Bruce is, that's going to be tough to achieve (though I hope he does). The one thing to consider is Bruce's defense is night and day better than Braun's. So, at what stats (that would be lower than Braun's) would you consider Bruce to be equally as valuable as Braun?

It's also crazy to think that Braun has 3-4 years on Bruce in age too. Imagine what Bruce may end up being by then!

Spitball
06-01-2008, 09:21 AM
For some reason we remember the pitchers like David Clyde and Mark "The Bird" Fidrych who flamed out. Among hitters who started out on an amazing run then disappeared, Louis Sockalexis from the 1800s is the only one I can think of. Are there others?

Joe Charbeneau comes to mind. He was the AL Rookie of the Year in 1979 or '80, but was out of baseball a couple of years later.

Walt Dropo had pretty fair career, but he never came close to his rookie year with Boston when he drove in over 140 RBI's.

princeton
06-01-2008, 09:27 AM
best historical comparison: Todd Frazier during the Little League season of 1998

redsmetz
06-01-2008, 09:43 AM
C'mon you guys no bettter than this.......you don't compare Jay Bruce to historical figures, you compare historical figures to Jay Bruce.

If he keeps this up the comparison will be with a certain Jewish carpenter from Nazareth a few years back. ;)

I think he played on the same club as the famed double play combo
Hal & Al Eluia, the Cuban wonders. Their play brought great rejoicing to the fans.

OldRightHander
06-01-2008, 11:15 AM
If he keeps this up the comparison will be with a certain Jewish carpenter from Nazareth a few years back. ;)

You mean if he goes through a slump or racks up a few strikeouts, the fans will crucify him?

Always Red
06-01-2008, 11:20 AM
You mean if he goes through a slump or racks up a few strikeouts, the fans will crucify him?

ouch!

But I did see Jay Bruce walking on the Ohio river last night while I was having a steak at Bar Louie...;)

BCubb2003
06-01-2008, 01:12 PM
Joe Charbeneau comes to mind. He was the AL Rookie of the Year in 1979 or '80, but was out of baseball a couple of years later.



That's a good one.

edabbs44
06-02-2008, 09:38 PM
Katharine Sharp of ESPN research notes that Jay Bruce's 1.000 slugging percentage in his first six big league games is the second-highest of any player during the divisional era (since 1969). Only Mike Jacobs' 1.050 in 2005 was better. Bruce went 2-for-3 with his second career homer and sure looks the real deal, doesn't he?

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/baseball/flb/outOfTheBox?page=ootb080602

buckeyenut
06-03-2008, 11:32 AM
I'd argue his OBP is even more impressive than his slugging %.

Cyclone792
06-03-2008, 11:35 AM
I got this from Sean Foreman (President, Baseball Reference) in an email yesterday:


How about Jay Bruce?! By my count, he could be the first player I've found who had more than 100 AB's and had a .300 BA or higher for the entirety of his career (first AB to last). My search only goes back to 1956, though.

What Foreman is saying is that if Bruce's career batting average never dips below .300, he'd be the first player to accomplish that in over 50 years, perhaps the first player to ever accomplish that.

OnBaseMachine
06-03-2008, 06:47 PM
Today's Jay Bruce Notes from the Reds:

Last night Jay Bruce homered for the third consecutive game...he became the second player this season under the age of 22 to homer in 3 straight games...Ari's Justin Upton did it in April...this is only the fourth time in Major League history that 2 players, both under the age of 22, homered in 3 straight team games...it also happened in 1929 (Mel Ott & Jimmie Foxx), 1959 (Orlando Cepeda & Willie McCovey) and 2001 (Albert Pujols & Adam Dunn)...courtesy Elias Sports Bureau.

A Week To Remember: Last night Jay Bruce ended his first week in the Major Leagues with 15 hits and 3 homers...the only player in Major League history in the last 80 years to have produced that many hits and home runs a week into his career was Mitchell Page for the 1977 Athletics (3hr, 16h)...courtesy Elias Sports Bureau.

http://beta.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=blog07&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3ae57bcc87-152a-4f72-96fb-cc08b1f396efPost%3aba2bfef5-efa8-44a1-a9c3-d12d301ed2be&sid=sitelife.cincinnati.com