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camisadelgolf
06-02-2008, 02:45 PM
I just thought this might be a nice resource since there has been a lot of movement down on the farm lately. If people want to help me update it, I'd appreciate it. I just guessed on the Billings and GCL rosters, which is pretty pointless, but it might come in handy.

I know the Reds signed Yuber Rodriguez as a 6-year minor league free agent a while back, but I haven't seen him pop up anywhere, so I'm wondering if he's already been released.

I also wish I could know what is going on with Mike Henry (pitcher from the 2007 draft), Ross Hopkins (catcher from the 2007 draft), and Matt Ogrodnik (undrafted free agent who went to school with Scott Gaffney).

AAA AA A+ A Rk GCL
C Ryan Hanigan C Craig Tatum C Eddy Rodriguez C Devin Mesoraco C Jordan Wideman C Petr Cech
1B Kevin Barker 1B Tonys Gutierrez 1B Todd Frazier 1B Logan Parker 1B Eli Rimes 1B Carlos Mendez
2B Andy Green 2B Justin Turner 2B Mike DeJesus 2B Kevyn Feiner 2B Wayne Kendrick 2B Jose Gualdron
3B Adam Rosales 3B Eric Eymann 3B Juan Francisco 3B Brandon Waring 3B Brodie Pullen 3B Miguel Rodriguez
SS Luis Bolivar SS Chris Valaika SS Jose Castro SS Zack Cozart SS Neftali Soto SS Yen-Wen Kuo
LF Drew T. Anderson LF Danny Dorn* LF Danny Perales LF Kel Jones LF Tony Brown LF Donald Lutz
CF Corey Patterson CF Sean Henry CF Drew Stubbs CF Justin Reed CF Brandon Menchaca CF Samuel Vasquez
RF Chris Dickerson RF Shaun Cumberland RF Chris Heisey RF Denis Phipps RF Alexis Oliveras RF Sergio Guerrero
C Alvin Colina C Chris Kroski* C Jake Long C Jason Bour C Todd Waller C Raul De La Cruz
C C Chris Denove C C Humberto Sosa C Frank Meade C Mauro Schiavoni
1B 1B 1B Jason Louwsma 1B Mike McKennon 1B 1B
2B 2B Drew M. Anderson 2B Jacob Kahaulelio 2B Angel Cabrera 2B 2B Mauricio Pimentel
3B Michael Griffin 3B 3B 3B 3B 3B
SS SS SS SS SS SS Mariekson Gregarius
OF Jolbert Cabrera OF Cody Strait OF Carson Kainer OF Anthony Gressick OF Yuber Rodriguez OF Juan Duran
OF OF B.J. Szymanski OF OF OF OF Ayeudi Felipe
UT Jerry Gil UT UT Justin Tordi UT UT Brett Bartles UT
SP Matt Belisle SP Ben Jukich SP Alex Smit SP Matt Klinker SP Kyle Lotzkar SP Tzu-Kai Chiu
SP Matt Maloney SP Travis Wood SP Scott Carroll SP Luis Montano SP Evan Hildenbrandt SP Luca Panerati
SP Daryl Thompson SP Jordan Smith SP Rafael Gonzalez SP Curtis Partch SP Brandon Rice SP Jose Marizan
SP Adam Pettyjohn SP Sam LeCure SP Daniel Guerrero SP Josh Ravin SP Drew Bowman SP Efrain Rodriguez
SP Homer Bailey SP James Avery SP Enerio Del Rosario SP Derrick Conatser SP Harris Honeycutt SP Rafael De La Rosa
SP Bobby Livingston* SP SP Travis Webb* SP Jamie Arneson SP Shea Snowden SP Juan Aquino
RP Josh Roenicke RP Sean Watson RP Ramon Geronimo RP Joe Krebs RP Josh Beal RP Victor Navarro
RP Danny Ray Herrera RP Robert Manuel RP Ruben Medina RP Jeff Jeffords RP Scott Gaffney RP Leo Astorga
RP Jon Adkins RP Carlos Fisher RP Logan Ondrusek RP Jeremy Horst RP Jordan Hotchkiss RP Ricky Rhodes
RP Ramon Ramirez RP Pedro Viola RP Phil Valiquette RP Tyler Rhoden RP Mike Henry RP Tom Fiebig
RP Todd Coffey RP Derrik Lutz RP Terrell Young RP Steve Otterness RP James Morris RP Aguido Gonzalez
RP Marcus McBeth* RP Lee Tabor RP Misael DeJesus RP Juan Rafael RP Dan Zeffiro RP Ezequiel Infante
RP Ty Pelland RP Mike Hrynio RP Camilo Vazquez RP RP Jeremy Vinyard RP Matteo Pizziconi
RP Justin Mallett RP Justin James* RP RP RP Chandler Power RP Luis Machuca

Summer Leagues
C Carlos Figuera
C Argenis Gonzalez
C Gustavo Omana
C Jose Ortuno
C Alberto Restrepo
C Danny Vicioso
2B Henry Rodriguez
SS Jhonder Alvarez
SS Alexander Candelario
SS Cristobal Rodriguez
SS Miguel Rojas
SS Andres Santoni
SS Jefry Sierra
SS Jose Sugilio
LF Miguel Chacoa
CF Efrain Contreras
RF Cesar Colmenares
RF Mario Martinez
IF George Meran
IF Jorge Perez
OF Wilfred Estevez
OF Angel Logrono
OF Michael Moreno
OF Victor Rondon
OF Jose Victor
UT David Hernandez
P Alexis Hernandez
P Dan Martinez
P Elvin Silvestre
RP Rafael Abreu
RP Jesus Adames
RP Reinaldo Albino
RP Ramon Almonte
RP Renny Amador
RP Wilfredo Bocaranda
RP Hugo Calderon
RP Oscar Castro
RP Rafael Ceballos
RP Daniel Corcino
RP Jose Figuera
RP Stalin Gerson
RP Fernando Gonzalez
RP Junior Martinez
RP Porfirio Martinez
RP Elvin Mercedes
RP Marcos Molina
RP Radhames Quezada
RP Ramon Rodriguez
RP Jesus Ruiz
RP Hector Santana
RP Carlos Tineo

Oxilon
06-02-2008, 03:14 PM
Where's Juan Duran at? Is he even playing yet?

EDIT: Scratch that, I looked over his name on the GCL roster. But how's he done thus far?

camisadelgolf
06-02-2008, 03:16 PM
Where's Juan Duran at? Is he even playing yet?

No, I don't think he's playing yet. I stuck him at GCL, though, even though it wouldn't surprise me to never see him on the field this year.

dougdirt
06-02-2008, 03:20 PM
Where's Juan Duran at? Is he even playing yet?

EDIT: Scratch that, I looked over his name on the GCL roster. But how's he done thus far?

The GCL doesn't start for a few more weeks. I would be surprised if he gets more than 50 AB's this year. He is just so young.

Mario-Rijo
06-02-2008, 04:02 PM
The GCL team will be one to watch if it comes together that way. The guys who interest me on that team of course start with Duran but doesn't come close to ending there.


Efrain Rodriguez
Peter Cech
Matteo Pizziconi
Tzu-Kai Chiu
Mariekson Gregarius
Yen-Wen Kuo

Do you think the language barrier could become an issue someday?

Mario-Rijo
06-02-2008, 04:06 PM
BTW Cam, is that A+ SS wishful thinking? ;)

OnBaseMachine
06-02-2008, 04:07 PM
Who is Yen-Wen Kuo?

OnBaseMachine
06-02-2008, 04:09 PM
Never mind. I googled him and found some information on him. I don't remember his signing being mentioned on here.

Per the news out of Taiwan, 18 year old shortstop Yen-Wen Kuo signed with the Cincinnati Reds. The Reds now have two Taiwanese players in Kuo & LHP Tzu-Kai Chiu. Kuo was profiled in a previous post. From the 2006 junior NT, Kuo is the fourth player signed by a ML organization, joining CH Chen, WW Lin, and CH Lin.*Updated

YW Kuo received a ~ $120,000 signing bonus. *Added 9/27/07*

http://taiwanbaseball.blogspot.com/2007/09/another-mlb-signing-ss-yen-wen-kuo.html

OnBaseMachine
06-02-2008, 04:12 PM
Here is video of him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSFiG-aRQx8&eurl=http://taiwanbaseball.blogspot.com/2007/09/another-mlb-signing-ss-yen-wen-kuo.html

Mario-Rijo
06-02-2008, 04:28 PM
Never mind. I googled him and found some information on him. I don't remember his signing being mentioned on here.

Per the news out of Taiwan, 18 year old shortstop Yen-Wen Kuo signed with the Cincinnati Reds. The Reds now have two Taiwanese players in Kuo & LHP Tzu-Kai Chiu. Kuo was profiled in a previous post. From the 2006 junior NT, Kuo is the fourth player signed by a ML organization, joining CH Chen, WW Lin, and CH Lin.*Updated

YW Kuo received a ~ $120,000 signing bonus. *Added 9/27/07*

http://taiwanbaseball.blogspot.com/2007/09/another-mlb-signing-ss-yen-wen-kuo.html

The kid has game! Watching that video I was fairly impressed. Especially that 3rd defensive play where he faked to 1st and then went to 3rd to catch the kid off base, excellent awareness. Plus he seemed to have good size, speed, strength, stroke.

Kc61
06-02-2008, 04:33 PM
The GCL doesn't start for a few more weeks. I would be surprised if he gets more than 50 AB's this year. He is just so young.

Maybe I'm misremembering, but I don't think Duran can play at GCL this year. I thought the whole signing was premised on his playing at Billings this year. Do I have it wrong?

It has to do with the date Duran turns 17. Since the Billings season ends after Duran turns 17, Reds could sign him up in the last international signing period. If I'm remembering correctly.

camisadelgolf
06-02-2008, 04:38 PM
Maybe I'm misremembering, but I don't think Duran can play at GCL this year. I thought the whole signing was premised on his playing at Billings this year. Do I have it wrong?

It has to do with the date Duran turns 17. Since the Billings season ends after Duran turns 17, Reds could sign him up in the last international signing period. If I'm remembering correctly.

That was reported, but further review of the rules revealed that he may play on another roster.

camisadelgolf
06-02-2008, 04:39 PM
BTW Cam, is that A+ SS wishful thinking? ;)

I am so, so sorry to anyone who saw that. I hope no one was offended. I fixed it.

medford
06-02-2008, 04:41 PM
The GCL doesn't start for a few more weeks. I would be surprised if he gets more than 50 AB's this year. He is just so young.

Question, lets say Duran is as talented as many think/hope that he is. What level could we expect him to produce at as a "normal" 16 year old vs 18-21+ year olds in the GCL?

I guess what I'm getting at, if Duran was talented enough, could he produce at a respectable enough level to get regular playing time with the GCL reds? Certainly it does nobody any good if Juan goes out and hits to the tune of 0.150 w/ a bunch of strikeouts while playing everyday, but what if he could hit .250+ while keeping the strikeouts w/n reason? Could a 16 year old possibley be talented enough, while also dealing w/ all the homesickness issues that one would expect from a kid that young, away from home for the first time to put up a respectable stat line?

I'm guessing the Red's plans are along Doug's thinking, and they won't rush him into too much, but could we hold out hope that Juan could force their hand by putting up solid numbers???

dougdirt
06-02-2008, 04:41 PM
Maybe I'm misremembering, but I don't think Duran can play at GCL this year. I thought the whole signing was premised on his playing at Billings this year. Do I have it wrong?

It has to do with the date Duran turns 17. Since the Billings season ends after Duran turns 17, Reds could sign him up in the last international signing period. If I'm remembering correctly.

He just had to be on the roster at some point this year. He can play wherever they want to place him now. He never had to be on the roster during the season.

UK Reds Fan
06-02-2008, 05:24 PM
So forecasting to a where some of these guys forecast best case scenario to the majors one day:

1. Where does Frazier best case project. Is it 1B, 3B or LF.
2. 1B..Guiterriez as a backup one day. I don't see much from the rest
3. Isn't Valiaka more of a 2B or infield utility man as opposed to SS.
4. 3B..Is Rosales even on the radar after his terrible year thus far?
Who projects as better potential 3B...Waring or Francisco?..Or Frazier?
5. CF is glaring hole with Stubbs hoping to get there in 2 years.
Is Justin Reed a possiblity as well in 2 years or more?
6. Corner OF spot...Can Cumberland or Dorn be a 4th OF in the next 2 years?
7. Starting Pitching..nice depth for hopefully 1-2 spots in Cincy next 2 years.
Maloney, Bailey, Thompson are top the list. Wood is nice option within 2
years. Jukich is intriguing. Lotzar is the power arm in back of the seat.
Are Razin and Lecure possibilities at back of rotation?
8. Bullpen. Is Watson the potential future closer after Cordero's contract?
Are Pelland and McBeth good enough for the majors?
Roenicke, Viola, Geronimo, etc...and who else? Fischer?
9. Catcher...Merasco is the future hopefully...can Hanigan take a spot next
year from Bako or Ross or Valentin as at least a backup?

What other potential pieces are there that I'm missing..not including the GCL kids yet?

dougdirt
06-02-2008, 05:31 PM
So forecasting to a where some of these guys forecast best case scenario to the majors one day:

1. Where does Frazier best case project. Is it 1B, 3B or LF. LFif you ask me
3. Isn't Valiaka more of a 2B or infield utility man as opposed to SS. I think he could be a Jeff Keppinger type shortstop defensively. Not really a shortstop, but probably won't kill you.
4. 3B..Is Rosales even on the radar after his terrible year thus far?
Who projects as better potential 3B...Waring or Francisco?..Or Frazier? Rosales is on the radar still, but he is fading. Francisco and Waring both have major warts to take care of before they get near Frazier.
5. CF is glaring hole with Stubbs hoping to get there in 2 years.
Is Justin Reed a possiblity as well in 2 years or more? I don't think Reed is read for 2 years from now. He is still quite raw.
6. Corner OF spot...Can Cumberland or Dorn be a 4th OF in the next 2 years? I think Dorn could start next year. Cumberland, I still want to see a little more from
8. Bullpen. Is Watson the potential future closer after Cordero's contract?
Are Pelland and McBeth good enough for the majors?
Roenicke, Viola, Geronimo, etc...and who else? Fischer? I would say Roenicke is more of a future closer than Watson.
9. Catcher...Merasco is the future hopefully...can Hanigan take a spot next
year from Bako or Ross or Valentin as at least a backup? I think Hanigan could hold his own as a backup catcher in the majors.

Answered what I could in bold.

RedlegJake
06-02-2008, 05:37 PM
Are Razin and Lecure possibilities at back of rotation?

Ravin has a long road but he could be anything from front of rotation to back of rotation if he progresses. He has a great arm and fastball, good mechanics but definite command issues. LeCure I see as a possible 4th or 5th guy.

Kc61
06-02-2008, 06:51 PM
Right now, after the Bruce callup, I don't see the system providing a lot of offense in the next year. The real plus hitting prospects are still in A-ball. Valaika is probably the exception, but he seems to take time adjusting at each new level. Gutierrez is someone to watch with this OBP skills. Dorn as a possible platoon guy fairly soon, maybe.

On the other hand, the team really is loaded with high minors pitching prospects. Thompson, Maloney, Wood, Jukish, Lecure, J. Smith -- and then the relievers -- Roenicke, Watson, Manuel, Pelland, Herrera, possibly Viola, to name just some. That's a lot of guys.

IslandRed
06-02-2008, 07:38 PM
Where does Frazier best case project. Is it 1B, 3B or LF.

Here's my take. Could be wrong.

I don't remember hearing that Frazier was a defensive disaster at shortstop in terms of being able to pick up ground balls and make throws to first. All we heard was "he doesn't have the range, he'll have to move to third base." And he's played some third base, with no reports that I remember that he couldn't do it.

OK, so why isn't he playing third base exclusively? Isn't that the most valuable of his possible positions?

Well, yes it is. But there's this little matter of his bat, which is coming very fast, and I think the Reds are looking toward next year and the possibility that he might bust the door down by then, and they're not sure where he'll need to play. Could be third base, but they'd need to move or write off Encarnacion. Could be left, if Dunn isn't re-signed. Could be first base if he proves to be a more adept first-sacker than Votto, with Votto moving to left. I think they just don't know and they want to find out what his range of abilities is. Can he track fly balls? Does he have a natural instinct for saving mediocre throws at first? I have a feeling that Frazier's position in Cincinnati, at least initially, will be based on expediency and not necessarily his maximal value.

dougdirt
06-02-2008, 07:41 PM
Frazier has had his fair share of errors this year.

Kingspoint
06-03-2008, 12:28 AM
Excellent work, Golfshirt!

camisadelgolf
06-11-2008, 01:01 PM
There hasn't been too much earth-shattering movement. Yuber Rodriguez finally made his first appearance in Sarasota. The Reds signed Thomas Callaro and put him in Chattanooga. Camilo Vazquez is in Louisville, but I haven't checked with anyone to see if that's permanent or temporary. With Corey Patterson up, B.J. Szymanski is in Louisville. One thing that I think is kind of funny is that if you check out Sarasota's roster, they are listed as having five shortstops.

By the way, does anyone know how to pronounce Mike Hrynio's name? I don't know why I bother asking; with the way he's pitching, he won't be in the organization much longer.

Benihana
06-11-2008, 02:16 PM
Right now, after the Bruce callup, I don't see the system providing a lot of offense in the next year. The real plus hitting prospects are still in A-ball. Valaika is probably the exception, but he seems to take time adjusting at each new level. Gutierrez is someone to watch with this OBP skills. Dorn as a possible platoon guy fairly soon, maybe.

On the other hand, the team really is loaded with high minors pitching prospects. Thompson, Maloney, Wood, Jukish, Lecure, J. Smith -- and then the relievers -- Roenicke, Watson, Manuel, Pelland, Herrera, possibly Viola, to name just some. That's a lot of guys.

LeCure and Manuel are not really prospects at this point.

dougdirt
06-11-2008, 03:15 PM
LeCure and Manuel are not really prospects at this point.

Lecure is certainly still a prospect. He is inconsistent but he has some downright dominating games in AA at an age appropriate for the level.

Benihana
06-11-2008, 04:57 PM
Lecure is certainly still a prospect. He is inconsistent but he has some downright dominating games in AA at an age appropriate for the level.

Maybe for you he is. For me, he's not one of the Top 30 prospects in the system, and thus I don't consider him a serious prospect.

camisadelgolf
06-13-2008, 01:05 AM
Maybe for you he is. For me, he's not one of the Top 30 prospects in the system, and thus I don't consider him a serious prospect.

For me, he'd be on the fringe of the top-30 prospects in the system, but I'd still call him a prospect, even though it isn't much of one. As for Manuel, I want to say he's not a prospect, but his numbers keep proving me wrong. I think he has a better chance to be an effective MLB pitcher than a lot of the Reds' top prospects. The only thing that hurts him is his very-limited ceiling.

11larkin11
06-13-2008, 01:45 AM
LeCure with 7 shutout innings tonight...

dougdirt
06-13-2008, 02:12 AM
Lecure over his last 7 starts has been pretty good.

40.2ip, 35h, 11bb, 2.43 ERA and 42 strikeouts. He has his hot and cold spells, but when he is on he puts up really strong numbers.

thorn
06-13-2008, 12:09 PM
Doug, I see Cumberland played CF last night, he seems to have a relly good stick this season, can he play CF in the majors? Do you think he has a chance to make the club next year?

Scrap Irony
06-13-2008, 12:36 PM
I'm not doug, but he does have the glove to be an average to slightly above average CF. His arm is above average for the position and his speed is good enough to get by. (I can't believe Krivsky was so good at identifying these high talent kids soon to break out.)

His bat, though, will keep him in the majors. An 890 OPS is great, but the almost 400 OBP is what I'm excited by. He sounds like an ideal CF leadoff option, and, looking at his numbers, that's probably where his bat should be. (The number two hitter is better, but Keppinger's bat is simply better for that spot.)

Still, with Cumberland leading off, that lineup looks solid:
Cumberland CF
Keppinger SS
Bruce RF
Phillips 2B (not my call)
Dunn LF (assuming he re-signs)
Votto 1B
Encarnacion 3B
Ross/ free agent C

Makes everything else work better, IMO.

lollipopcurve
06-13-2008, 12:56 PM
In my opinion, Valaika and Frazier are the next impact bats to graduate. Guys like Cumberland, Dorn, Stubbs, Francisco, et al, have had periods of excellence but not the consistency that Valaika and Frazier have demonstrated. (Heisey may be the true sleeper.)

I do like the depth on the offensive side a lot better than on the mound.

thorn
06-13-2008, 02:06 PM
Thanks Scrapy. Yes, Valaika and Frazier could be here next year as well, but Cumberland can fill a position of need for us if he can stick in CF. I like his BB/K ratio. I imagine Valaika will be a 2009 Callup for SS and Frazier for 3B, but I guess that could change. I also see Voto as a LF next year. If the Reds start rebuilding next year I could see something like this happening.

I think they get rid of Dunn and Griffey this year, Gonzo and EE by the trade deadline next year. In August of 09 I think we will see

1B Alonso
2B Phillips
SS Valaika
3B Frazier
LF Votto
CF Cumberland
RF Bruce
C ???

Kepp will be a supersub at 3B, SS, 1B, maybe even platooning, just incase the young players don't play well out of the gate. Maybe it's not reality, but a guy can dream right?

Kc61
06-13-2008, 02:24 PM
In my opinion, Valaika and Frazier are the next impact bats to graduate. Guys like Cumberland, Dorn, Stubbs, Francisco, et al, have had periods of excellence but not the consistency that Valaika and Frazier have demonstrated. (Heisey may be the true sleeper.)

I do like the depth on the offensive side a lot better than on the mound.


Funny, I like the depth on the mound better.

Thompson, Maloney, Wood, J. Smith, Jukish, Roenicke, Watson, Stewart, Lotzkar, Carroll, Hildenbrandt (high pick last year), Fisher, Viola, Smit, Carroll, etc.

Will M
06-13-2008, 02:51 PM
imo pencilling in guys like Valaika & Frazier for 2009 seems premature. studs like bruce can blow through the minors but A+ or AA are a long way from being a major league regular

11larkin11
06-13-2008, 02:54 PM
imo pencilling in guys like Valaika & Frazier for 2009 seems premature. studs like bruce can blow through the minors but A+ or AA are a long way from being a major league regular

Bruce was a HS pick, Valaika and Frazier college picks. Both are older than Bruce, Valaika by two years and Frazier by one.

lollipopcurve
06-13-2008, 03:14 PM
Funny, I like the depth on the mound better.


Thompson, Maloney, Wood, J. Smith, Jukish, Roenicke, Watson, Stewart, Lotzkar, Carroll, Hildenbrandt (high pick last year), Fisher, Viola, Smit, Carroll, etc.

I don't mean to be a downer, but I would not be surprised if not a single one of these guys makes an impact as a major leaguer. That said, I think some will contribute, but I have a hard time identifying which ones it might be. I am most hopeful about Lotzkar and Roenicke, and it would be great to see one of the lefty starters (Maloney, Wood or Jukich) show he can be a BOR guy. Likewise, if one of the RH bullpen arms beyond Roenicke (Watson, Stewart, Fisher) can dominate minor leaguers, then the optimism will percolate more. Overall, though, I think it's an average pack of runners with no one pushing the pace right now.

Scrap Irony
06-13-2008, 03:38 PM
The good news is that not one of them needs to be a TOR starter or an AS type closer. If Cincinnati can find two or three BOR guys to fill out the staff and two or three middle and set-up relievers, the pitching staff is set.

Having Harang, Cueto, and especially Volquez under control for at least three more years is sure nice to see.

Kc61
06-13-2008, 04:29 PM
The good news is that not one of them needs to be a TOR starter or an AS type closer. If Cincinnati can find two or three BOR guys to fill out the staff and two or three middle and set-up relievers, the pitching staff is set.

Having Harang, Cueto, and especially Volquez under control for at least three more years is sure nice to see.


To me, Alonso, Frazier, Roenicke and Valaika are the four mostly likely guys in the system to be good major leaguers. Any of them could fail, and I'm not saying they are all stars, but I think those four seem to have the goods.

The next batch are guys with good upside who are progressing but are perhaps not quite the sure shots. To me, this group is Thompson, Wood, Stubbs, Francisco, Watson, Maloney. Thompson might go in the first category.

Then you have the kids with high upsides but little track record. Mesoraco, Lotzkar, Stewart, Soto (is he still playing?)

Then you have the guys who seem slightly more like longshots but who are doing real well in the minors. You can put most of the Chatanooga team in this category, Jukish, Strait, Gutierrez, Cumberland, Henry, Turner, Smith, Geronimo (still at Sarasota).

I guess a good mixture of different positions at the different levels.

redhawk61
06-13-2008, 08:12 PM
To me, Alonso, Frazier, Roenicke and Valaika are the four mostly likely guys in the system to be good major leaguers. Any of them could fail, and I'm not saying they are all stars, but I think those four seem to have the goods.

The next batch are guys with good upside who are progressing but are perhaps not quite the sure shots. To me, this group is Thompson, Wood, Stubbs, Francisco, Watson, Maloney. Thompson might go in the first category.

Then you have the kids with high upsides but little track record. Mesoraco, Lotzkar, Stewart, Soto (is he still playing?)

Then you have the guys who seem slightly more like longshots but who are doing real well in the minors. You can put most of the Chatanooga team in this category, Jukish, Strait, Gutierrez, Cumberland, Henry, Turner, Smith, Geronimo (still at Sarasota).

I guess a good mixture of different positions at the different levels.

I would put Cumberland in the 2nd group, he has the tools, just has taken him awhile to understand them

and another guy I really really like is Alex Buchholz. I see him being eerily similar to Valaika