redsmetz
06-02-2008, 04:13 PM
I wasn't sure what to title this and I'm still not entirely satisfied with the thread title.
I saw in USA Today that Mike Lieberthal signed a one day minor league deal with the Phillies so he could retire in their organization. We've seen this some lately. The story, though, noted his stats for his career and they weren't all that bad overall (14 seasons, 1212 games, .274 BA, 257 doubles, 150 HR's). It was HR number that jumped out at me as it was such a round number.
I thought about who Baseball-reference.com would show as his comparables and it confirmed for me that it wasn't a bad group of ballplayers.
What I thought about though was that we're so focused on who the super players are, the studs and yet, the game has quite a lot of ballplayers who are have had decent careers and for a year or two (maybe 3 or 4) are pretty good ballplayers. I thought about how you really can't name a "career year" except from the view of the entire career. Lieberthal's was 1999 when at age 27 he hit .300 with 33 doubles, 31 homers and 96 RBI's. He made the All Star game that year and the next along with his sole Gold Glove.
His comparable players is an interesting group of players who had some decent years among them (some better than others, but that's life really).
Jason Varitek (969)
John Valentin (937)
Sandy Alomar (930)
Darrin Fletcher (924)
Ron Belliard (920)
Mike Stanley (915)
Davey Johnson (914)
Frankie Hayes (907)
Charles Johnson (905)
Mike Lansing (905)
So really, I guess the topic is players that weren't superstars and their careers that weren't so bad and at times, they were pretty good. It's really the beauty of the game of baseball. I just wish I could come up with a better title for the thread!
I saw in USA Today that Mike Lieberthal signed a one day minor league deal with the Phillies so he could retire in their organization. We've seen this some lately. The story, though, noted his stats for his career and they weren't all that bad overall (14 seasons, 1212 games, .274 BA, 257 doubles, 150 HR's). It was HR number that jumped out at me as it was such a round number.
I thought about who Baseball-reference.com would show as his comparables and it confirmed for me that it wasn't a bad group of ballplayers.
What I thought about though was that we're so focused on who the super players are, the studs and yet, the game has quite a lot of ballplayers who are have had decent careers and for a year or two (maybe 3 or 4) are pretty good ballplayers. I thought about how you really can't name a "career year" except from the view of the entire career. Lieberthal's was 1999 when at age 27 he hit .300 with 33 doubles, 31 homers and 96 RBI's. He made the All Star game that year and the next along with his sole Gold Glove.
His comparable players is an interesting group of players who had some decent years among them (some better than others, but that's life really).
Jason Varitek (969)
John Valentin (937)
Sandy Alomar (930)
Darrin Fletcher (924)
Ron Belliard (920)
Mike Stanley (915)
Davey Johnson (914)
Frankie Hayes (907)
Charles Johnson (905)
Mike Lansing (905)
So really, I guess the topic is players that weren't superstars and their careers that weren't so bad and at times, they were pretty good. It's really the beauty of the game of baseball. I just wish I could come up with a better title for the thread!