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Homer Bailey
06-03-2008, 01:51 AM
Phillies vs. Harang:


OPPOSING HITTER AB H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS
Geoff Jenkins 41 10 4 0 1 4 7 12 0.244 0.354 0.415 0.769
Jimmy Rollins 20 5 0 0 0 0 0 3 0.250 0.250 0.250 0.500
Pedro Feliz 18 2 0 0 1 2 2 4 0.111 0.200 0.278 0.478
Chase Utley 11 5 2 0 1 3 2 1 0.455 0.538 0.909 1.448
Pat Burrell 9 4 2 0 0 2 1 2 0.444 0.500 0.667 1.167
Shane Victorino 8 1 0 1 0 0 0 1 0.125 0.125 0.375 0.500
Ryan Howard 8 2 0 0 2 5 2 2 0.250 0.400 1.000 1.400
So Taguchi 7 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0.143 0.143 0.143 0.286
Greg Dobbs 5 2 1 0 0 1 0 3 0.400 0.400 0.600 1.000
Jayson Werth 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000
Adam Eaton 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000
Chris Coste 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000
Jamie Moyer 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000
Eric Bruntlett 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000
Carlos Ruiz 2 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0.500 0.667 0.500 1.167

Reds vs. Eaton:


OPPOSING HITTER AB H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS
Alex Gonzalez 9 1 0 0 1 1 1 3 0.111 0.200 0.444 0.644
Adam Dunn 9 2 0 0 1 2 0 2 0.222 0.222 0.556 0.778
Brandon Phil. 8 2 0 0 0 0 1 1 0.250 0.333 0.250 0.583
Ken Griffey Jr. 7 3 0 0 2 5 5 0 0.429 0.571 1.286 1.857
Paul Bako 6 2 0 0 0 0 0 1 0.333 0.333 0.333 0.667
Edwin Encarn. 5 1 0 0 1 1 1 1 0.200 0.333 0.800 1.133
Jeff Keppinger 4 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0.250 0.250 0.500 0.750
Aaron Harang 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000
David Ross 2 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0.000 0.250 0.000 0.250
Bronson Arroyo 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000
Josh Fogg 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000
Joey Votto 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000
Andy Phillips 0 0 0 0 0 1 2 0 0.000 1.000 0.000 1.000

Eaton Last 5:


DATE OPP RESULT IP H R ER HR BB SO GB FB PIT BF GSc DEC REL ERA*
28-May COL W 6-1 6 4 1 1 0 1 4 5 6 98 22 63 W(1-3) - 4.99
23-May @HOU L 4-3 7 8 3 3 2 1 2 7 14 96 29 50 L(0-3) - 5.37
17-May TOR L 6-3 5 8 4 4 1 2 3 5 5 90 24 36 L(0-2) - 5.59
11-May @SF L 4-3 5 5 2 2 0 5 4 8 1 90 23 48 - - 5.4
6-May @ARI L 6-4 4 5 6 6 1 3 1 9 5 83 21 26 L(0-1) - 5.64

Harang Last 5:


DATE OPP RESULT IP H R ER HR BB SO GB FB PIT BF GSc DEC REL ERA*
29-May PIT L 7-2 4 10 6 6 1 0 2 3 9 73 22 20 L(2-7) - 3.81
25-May @SD L 12-9 4 2 0 0 0 1 9 2 1 63 15 - - - 3.32
22-May @SD L 8-2 5.1 10 5 5 2 2 7 6 8 103 27 33 L(2-6) - 3.5
17-May CLE W 4-2 7 8 1 1 0 1 5 10 10 101 30 61 - - 3.12
12-May FLA W 8-7 7 7 4 4 3 2 4 5 14 108 28 49 W(2-5) - 3.32

Homer Bailey
06-03-2008, 01:52 AM
I really hope Griffey is back. The Reds need that 1-2 combo of Hairston-Bruce.

If he doesn't play, I'd like to see:

Hairston CF
Bruce RF
Dunn LF
Phillips 2B
Votto 1B
Encarnacion 3B
Janish SS
Ross C

Ghosts of 1990
06-03-2008, 09:47 AM
Tonight I think we see 600.

Would also like Jay Bruce to extend his hit streak

bgwilly31
06-03-2008, 12:25 PM
I really hope Griffey is back. The Reds need that 1-2 combo of Hairston-Bruce.

If he doesn't play, I'd like to see:

Hairston CF
Bruce RF
Dunn LF
Phillips 2B
Votto 1B
Encarnacion 3B
Janish SS
Ross C

Freel is why our offense just never seem to get much done last night.

0-4.

He hits WAYYY too many ground balls.

Homer Bailey
06-03-2008, 12:37 PM
Freel is why our offense just never seem to get much done last night.

0-4.

He hits WAYYY too many ground balls.


Last night he did the exact opposite of what our 2 hole hitter did all of last week. Take pitches, make the pitcher work, and get on base. Haven't we lost the last two games he has started? That Thursday game vs. Pitt didn't he start and bat second or first?

bgwilly31
06-03-2008, 01:15 PM
Last night he did the exact opposite of what our 2 hole hitter did all of last week. Take pitches, make the pitcher work, and get on base. Haven't we lost the last two games he has started? That Thursday game vs. Pitt didn't he start and bat second or first?

yes...yes he did.

Freel is just not the answer, on griffey off days.

We missed keppinger last night.

Freel is too aggressive at the plate.

He mixes Agressiveness with wrecklessness too much. Which is why you have a love/hate relationship with him.

Homer Bailey
06-03-2008, 04:01 PM
SS-Jerry Hairston Jr.

CF-Ryan Freel

RF-Jay Bruce

2B-Brandon Phillips

LF-Adam Dunn

1B-Joey Votto

3B-Edwin Encarnacion

C-Paul Bako

P-Harang



Please get on base tonight Freel. A lot.

bgwilly31
06-03-2008, 04:21 PM
SS-Jerry Hairston Jr.

CF-Ryan Freel

RF-Jay Bruce

2B-Brandon Phillips

LF-Adam Dunn

1B-Joey Votto

3B-Edwin Encarnacion

C-Paul Bako

P-Harang



Please get on base tonight Freel. A lot.


griffey out again>? ?? ?? ?


The reds trying to hold him off until they come back home in a feeble attempt to pack the stands when he still has 599?



freel is the key tonight to give volquez any run support.

Homer Bailey
06-03-2008, 04:37 PM
griffey out again>? ?? ?? ?


The reds trying to hold him off until they come back home in a feeble attempt to pack the stands when he still has 599?



freel is the key tonight to give volquez any run support.


Harang is toeing the rubber tonight.

bgwilly31
06-03-2008, 05:03 PM
Harang is toeing the rubber tonight.


i forgot. For some reason i keep thinking it was volquez tonight.



Even worse than. This team hates giving run support for harang.

Hopefully we can change that tonight. :)

Jack Burton
06-03-2008, 05:21 PM
Harang needs to step it up tonight, looks like Volquez has taken over as our ace. Would be a vicious 1-2 punch if Harang can get it together but has a brutal test tonight vs. the Phils.

Homer Bailey
06-03-2008, 05:25 PM
I would think there would be more excitement/discussion about the games due to the way the Reds have been playing lately.

Jr's Boy
06-03-2008, 05:39 PM
i forgot. For some reason i keep thinking it was volquez tonight.



Even worse than. This team hates giving run support for harang.

Hopefully we can change that tonight. :)

Harang/Arroyo in bizarro world.Last season Bronson got no run support despite quality outings.

bgwilly31
06-03-2008, 05:52 PM
I would think there would be more excitement/discussion about the games due to the way the Reds have been playing lately.

Simply discussing our opinions on how to keep it that way.

Freel helping to give much needed run support on the 2-6 record Harang i think would qualify for that...no?>

Homer Bailey
06-03-2008, 05:55 PM
Simply discussing our opinions on how to keep it that way.

Freel helping to give much needed run support on the 2-6 record Harang i think would qualify for that...no?>

bgwilly I thank you for your addition to the discussion on this thread. I apologize if you thought my post was directed toward you. I simply meant I thought MORE people would like to discuss the game. I have enjoyed discussing the game with you in this thread.

I go to quite an effort to put these threads together and they often don't get much attention. That is why I said that. Sorry for the confusion. It seems like people would like to talk about all the so called "drama" around the team than the actual games at times.

Fon Duc Tow
06-03-2008, 06:05 PM
I am out of town this week. Last night I followed the link here to the 2 Reds affiliate radio stations listed in the thread that have slipped through the cracks and still broadcast the Reds games over the internet.

But neither of them worked. :(

If anyone knows any Reds or Phillies affiliate radio stations that I could catch the stream of tonights game, I'd appreciate it if they IMed me with the info.

levydl
06-03-2008, 06:08 PM
I love these threads each game. I'll try to discuss them more as a form of encouragement.

I wish Griff was in there tonight. He's been good against Eaton. Let's hope Freel gets on some (and doesn't get caught stealing/picked off) and Dunn and Votto pick up the slack on offense.

We need Harang to throw a good one, but wouldn't it be nice if he could cruise to a win with some offense?

Homer Bailey
06-03-2008, 06:12 PM
I love these threads each game. I'll try to discuss them more as a form of encouragement.

I wish Griff was in there tonight. He's been good against Eaton. Let's hope Freel gets on some (and doesn't get caught stealing/picked off) and Dunn and Votto pick up the slack on offense.

We need Harang to throw a good one, but wouldn't it be nice if he could cruise to a win with some offense?

All I needed was a little feedback. Didn't know if anyone was out there reading these.

Keystone12
06-03-2008, 06:13 PM
I'm surprised that nobody's mentioned that Bruce is hitting in the 3 hole. I know he's been awesome so far... but the 3 hole seems a little too soon!

Maybe they're trying to ensure that he's getting good pitches to hit - you're not going to walk him when you have BP, AD and JV coming up. Still - I'd like to see Bruce in the 2-hole.

Homer Bailey
06-03-2008, 06:16 PM
I'm surprised that nobody's mentioned that Bruce is hitting in the 3 hole. I know he's been awesome so far... but the 3 hole seems a little too soon!

Maybe they're trying to ensure that he's getting good pitches to hit - you're not going to walk him when you have BP, AD and JV coming up. Still - I'd like to see Bruce in the 2-hole.

I love him in the two hole because he has just been an awesome table setter. I guess Dusty wants him to be able to drive in runs more than "clogging" the bases. Ugh.

bgwilly31
06-03-2008, 06:27 PM
I go to quite an effort to put these threads together and they often don't get much attention. That is why I said that. Sorry for the confusion. It seems like people would like to talk about all the so called "drama" around the team than the actual games at times.

No apology needed. I love your threads as well.


And boy do i agree with the second part of your post.


Perfect example right now is on wlw.

Instead of discussing tonights game. On pre-game WLW have been talking Chad johnson for the first 35 minutes of the show. :rolleyes:

bgwilly31
06-03-2008, 06:35 PM
I love him in the two hole because he has just been an awesome table setter. I guess Dusty wants him to be able to drive in runs more than "clogging" the bases. Ugh.

Why not consider a line-up something like this.


Hairston
bruce
BP
Dunn
Votto
EE
bako
freel
harang


Freel gets on Harang being a good sac bunter gets him over to second.

Homer Bailey
06-03-2008, 06:41 PM
Why not consider a line-up something like this.


Hairston
bruce
BP
Dunn
Votto
EE
bako
freel
harang


Freel gets on Harang being a good sac bunter gets him over to second.


Flip BP and Dunn and I like it. Bako protecting Freel kind of scares me though. I'd like to see Ross in the lineup this week. He hits well in small parks.

FlightRick
06-03-2008, 07:18 PM
All I needed was a little feedback. Didn't know if anyone was out there reading these.

We are, and your effort is appreciated.

I just know that, for me, for a 7:00pm weeknight game, I'll only see your preview threads 30-60 minutes before the game, which doesn't leave a huge window in which to engage in a back-and-forth discourse.

But I absorb what I see, then settle in to watch/listen-to the game, and I get to revel in the fact that thanks to the preview, I'm at least as smart and prepared as Marty/Jeff/George/Chris/Thom. That's fun.


Rick

AdamDunn
06-03-2008, 09:59 PM
So dusty definally left Harang out too long. No way he should have gone into the seventh. Over a hundred pitches and he was already tired when he went short rest last time...

TheBigLebowski
06-03-2008, 10:17 PM
I have no probs with Dusty's handling of Harang tonight.

We've lost our second straight one run game to the Phils after winning two against the Braves. Say what you will about baseball and stats but, they do seem to even out.

Tonight was the first time in a long time that I was actually angry at Phillips. He had an awful night at the plate.

Bruce actually looked human but still had a .500 OBP.

Our bullpen is pitching better and better. Liked what I saw out of Herrera.

Tomorrow night is a must-have. With the June schedule we have in front of us we cannot start 0-3 on this roadie, especially when we could easily have won either prior game.

AdamDunn
06-03-2008, 10:53 PM
I have no probs with Dusty's handling of Harang tonight.

We've lost our second straight one run game to the Phils after winning two against the Braves. Say what you will about baseball and stats but, they do seem to even out.

Tonight was the first time in a long time that I was actually angry at Phillips. He had an awful night at the plate.

Bruce actually looked human but still had a .500 OBP.

Our bullpen is pitching better and better. Liked what I saw out of Herrera.

Tomorrow night is a must-have. With the June schedule we have in front of us we cannot start 0-3 on this roadie, especially when we could easily have won either prior game.

How can you say that? Harang struggled in his last outing since he pitched extra innings in San Diego. Most managers wouldn't have given their starter and extra day off. But they couldn't since Volquez pitched extra innings as well. Now he puts Harang out on regular rest and expects him to be effective after a hundred pitches. I don't get it. For the most part, unless you're mechanics allow you to or you are absolutely dominating the opponent, I don't think pitchers should generally go out the inning if they've reached 100.

freestyle55
06-03-2008, 10:55 PM
Phillips was a rally killer twice tonight, double plays to take Bruce off the bases late in the game...that really ripped their hearts out I think...

freestyle55
06-03-2008, 10:56 PM
It's incredible how small Herrera is, and I'm guessing tv doesn't do it justice...although he came up huge against Howard and Burrell...

bgwilly31
06-04-2008, 12:32 AM
Phillips was a rally killer twice tonight, double plays to take Bruce off the bases late in the game...that really ripped their hearts out I think...

definitely killed a couple of very important rally starters. However the entire team couldn't get crap done together. Reds made eaton look like a stud because of impatience and lack of execution. What's new, the reds have been doing that all season.