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WVRed
06-05-2008, 10:37 AM
Have at it. Looks like Beckham will likely be the pick.:)

OnBaseMachine
06-05-2008, 10:50 AM
Yep. The Rays have made it official that Tim Beckham will go number one overall.

WVRed
06-05-2008, 11:03 AM
Yep. The Rays have made it official that Tim Beckham will go number one overall.

I was talking about Gordon Beckham to the Reds, but that works too.

If I had to project the top 10:

2.Pit-Pedro Alvarez
3.KC-Eric Hosmer
4.Bal-Brian Matusz
5.SF-Buster Posey
6.Fla-Kyle Skipworth
7.Cin-Gordon Beckham
8.CWS-Justin Smoak
9.Was-Yonder Alonso
10.Hou-Aaron Crow

Joseph
06-05-2008, 11:13 AM
Stupid question...what time does it start?

OnBaseMachine
06-05-2008, 11:21 AM
Stupid question...what time does it start?

2:00 on ESPN2.

NorrisHopper30
06-05-2008, 11:23 AM
I got off work!!!!!!!!!

medford
06-05-2008, 12:51 PM
I was talking about Gordon Beckham to the Reds, but that works too.

If I had to project the top 10:

2.Pit-Pedro Alvarez
3.KC-Eric Hosmer
4.Bal-Brian Matusz
5.SF-Buster Posey
6.Fla-Kyle Skipworth
7.Cin-Gordon Beckham
8.CWS-Justin Smoak
9.Was-Yonder Alonso
10.Hou-Aaron Crow

Yeah right, you just know Jimbo can't resist the 5 tool outfielder, zach collier is their man.

Either that, or he goes w/ Juan Castro (C out of Standford). If he can't have all his former reds, at least he'll have some w/ the same names.

:D

seriously, that looks like a nice list, but it seems this draft is more up in the air regarding the top 10 than any in the last few years that I can remember. Probably a bit tough to project who will land where exactly.

Dan
06-05-2008, 01:14 PM
With Matusz off the board, if the Reds do select G. Beckham, that'll make my afternoon.

I'm not a fan of fast risers...usually they were thought less of for a reason.

dougdirt
06-05-2008, 01:18 PM
I'm not a fan of fast risers...usually they were thought less of for a reason.

Jay Bruce waves hello to you. So does Clayton Kershaw.

JaxRed
06-05-2008, 01:20 PM
Hey guys, at the draft posting from up in stands. You guys will have better viewing than me but I wanted to experience it in person before they move it to NY ......

dougdirt
06-05-2008, 01:21 PM
Hey guys, at the draft posting from up in stands. You guys will have better viewing than me but I wanted to experience it in person before they move it to NY ......

I am jealous. Apparently Aaron Hicks is the only player in attendance. A bunch of others turned down the invite.

JaxRed
06-05-2008, 01:23 PM
First, it's free. Selig must not know that. Parking free also. In a biulding called the Milk House. About the size of HS auditorium. It's got curtain diving the fllooe. Behind it appears to ne where prospects and friends will sit while waiting to be called.

JaxRed
06-05-2008, 01:27 PM
Typing in dark so please forgive spelling. THere is stage and podium and 30 tables in front with usually two reps fromeach team. Grifey Sr and some white guy about 35-40 reprsenting Reds, Everybidy in suits excepr Rangers

JaxRed
06-05-2008, 01:29 PM
You are right/ So far only one player in players area. Behind the tema are 3 rows of tables for print media, and behind them the TV techs

JaxRed
06-05-2008, 01:31 PM
They provided some goodies..... A nice 2008 MLB draft ball cap and a prospect handbook

Gallen5862
06-05-2008, 01:32 PM
How long will teams have to make their First Round pick?

mound_patrol
06-05-2008, 01:33 PM
If we draft Beckham, how quickly could we see him in Cincinnati?

JaxRed
06-05-2008, 01:35 PM
They annouced Reds reps. I thnk they said it was Dick Williams.

dougdirt
06-05-2008, 01:36 PM
They provided some goodies..... A nice 2008 MLB draft ball cap and a prospect handbook

Very nice. Newest rumor I am hearing Posey to the Giants at #5.

dougdirt
06-05-2008, 01:36 PM
If we draft Beckham, how quickly could we see him in Cincinnati?

July 2010 is my guess.

dougdirt
06-05-2008, 01:37 PM
How long will teams have to make their First Round pick?

I think its 5 minutes for the first round.

BuckeyeRedleg
06-05-2008, 01:39 PM
If we draft Beckham, how quickly could we see him in Cincinnati?

I think he starts in Dayton. By the end of the summer, he'll skip Hi-A and go straight to AA-Chattanooga, with a shot to join the big club maybe late 2009 and definitely by April, 2010.

That is, if he keeps hitting the cover off the ball.

Gallen5862
06-05-2008, 01:39 PM
Jaxred will you give profiles on players that the Reds draft? Is RHP Brad Holt from UNC Wilmington listed? He is from my Alma Mata and in local newspaper he is listed as possible first round or sandwich pick. Catcher Mark Carver and 2b Daniel Hargrave and of Jason Appel are listed as possible drafteees. Are they listed in the MLB prospects handbook? Thanks for any info you can give Jaxred.

flyer85
06-05-2008, 01:40 PM
where is the best place to follow the draft? Other than RedsZone of course.

HBP
06-05-2008, 01:40 PM
Thanks for the updates JaxRed

NC Reds
06-05-2008, 01:41 PM
where is the best place to follow the draft? Other than RedsZone of course.

Mlb.com has a pretty decent draft tracker.

NorrisHopper30
06-05-2008, 01:42 PM
Mlb.com has a pretty decent draft tracker.

I'll second this, I used it last year and it was updated quickly with detailed information about each pick.

JaxRed
06-05-2008, 01:43 PM
actually it
s so dark here I can't read handbook

NorrisHopper30
06-05-2008, 01:44 PM
Which of the players that are being rumored to the Reds are the closest to the Majors? Let's say Posey, Crow, Beckham and Matusz.

dougdirt
06-05-2008, 01:46 PM
Which of the players that are being rumored to the Reds are the closest to the Majors? Let's say Posey, Crow, Beckham and Matusz.

Beckham or Matusz.

gm
06-05-2008, 01:47 PM
Hey guys, at the draft posting from up in stands. You guys will have better viewing than me but I wanted to experience it in person before they move it to NY ......


I went to the NBA draft here in Portland back in '92 (I think? Olympic year, Laettner draft class...he got booed mercilessly)

Enjoy

Cyclone792
06-05-2008, 01:48 PM
I think he starts in Dayton. By the end of the summer, he'll skip Hi-A and go straight to AA-Chattanooga, with a shot to join the big club maybe late 2009 and definitely by April, 2010.

That is, if he keeps hitting the cover off the ball.

That's pretty close to my line of thinking as well. As far as when he'd reach Cincinnati, I'm thinking somewhere between late 2009 (perhaps a September callup) to early June in 2010 (after the Super Two date, of course).

I think he'll be fast tracked, and if the Reds send him to Dayton immediately then I'm going to have to get to a Dragons game soon to watch both him and Mesoraco.

Tommyjohn25
06-05-2008, 01:48 PM
So Dougdirt...Is this your favorite day of the year? I have this mental image of you with a party hat on and MLB logo stramers all through your home. :D

dougdirt
06-05-2008, 01:49 PM
So Dougdirt...Is this your favorite day of the year? I have this mental image of you with a party hat on and MLB logo stramers all through your home. :D

Its up there. I have had my entire week planned around the next two days. I loaded up on easy to cook food and Coca Cola classic.

mound_patrol
06-05-2008, 01:52 PM
I'm pretty excited for this years draft. I will have played against around 10 of the top 100 picks this year.

Tommyjohn25
06-05-2008, 01:52 PM
Its up there. I have had my entire week planned around the next two days. I loaded up on easy to cook food and Coca Cola classic.

Very nice. It really is an exciting time to be a baseball fan.

OnBaseMachine
06-05-2008, 01:52 PM
It's one of my favorite days along with Opening Day.

cincyinco
06-05-2008, 01:53 PM
is there anywhere to "Listen" to the draft? I know MLB.com used to provide streaming audio for this event for free.

JaxRed
06-05-2008, 01:54 PM
what i thought was players area is now full of folks. Serving lunch. So either a lot players and families are here or it's something else entirely

OnBaseMachine
06-05-2008, 01:56 PM
Five more minutes! :)

dougdirt
06-05-2008, 01:57 PM
is there anywhere to "Listen" to the draft? I know MLB.com used to provide streaming audio for this event for free.

I think you can watch it on mlb.com.

Doc. Scott
06-05-2008, 01:59 PM
Watching it now. I believe it's free- I don't have a currently active MLB.TV subscription, and it's working for me. I think it's technically on something called "Baseballchannel.tv".

cincyinco
06-05-2008, 01:59 PM
MLB still has the Reds taking Alonso

NorrisHopper30
06-05-2008, 02:00 PM
Here it is!!!

Check out all the Rays bandwagoners, Chris Almighty.

cincyinco
06-05-2008, 02:00 PM
Okay guys, thanks I got it.. I thought this would be like the flash draft tracker they had the other year, but its streasming something, just hope its right.

David Cubbedge
06-05-2008, 02:00 PM
MLB.com just switched the Reds projection. It was showing Yonder Alonso, but the broadcaster changed it to Aaron Crow. Both Beckham and Alonso were drafted after 7.

These are just their projections. But I favor Alonso and Beckham to Crow.

Doc. Scott
06-05-2008, 02:03 PM
MLB.com isn't what I would call particularly astute from a journalism perspective. So I wouldn't worry about what they're saying too much.

medford
06-05-2008, 02:06 PM
so Marty just said that the Beckham's are brothers. I'm 99.9% sure I've heard mulitple times that they're not related. You'd think Marty would check his facts.

Cyclone792
06-05-2008, 02:06 PM
Marty just mentioned the Reds and Gordon Beckham with the 7th pick of the draft. Maybe he knows something, or maybe he's reading the same things we are.

Patrick Bateman
06-05-2008, 02:07 PM
so Marty just said that the Beckham's are brothers. I'm 99.9% sure I've heard mulitple times that they're not related. You'd think Marty would check his facts.

Based on the pictures.... I'm going to say not even close.

Doc. Scott
06-05-2008, 02:07 PM
The Beckhams are not related.

PuffyPig
06-05-2008, 02:08 PM
Marty just mentioned the Reds and Gordon Beckham with the 7th pick of the draft. Maybe he knows something, or maybe he's reading the same things we are.

What could he know? Our ability to pick him is dependent on, among other things, him being available to pick when we draft. Everyone seems to know that the Reds have an interest.

OnBaseMachine
06-05-2008, 02:09 PM
Based on the pictures.... I'm going to say not even close.

Tim Beckham:

http://www.brewerfan.net/images/playerpix/amateur/tim_beckham.jpg

Gordon Beckham:

http://www.nmnathletics.com.edgesuite.net/pics28/200/FE/FEZEJVSVNCJXHTD.20070105200108.jpg

You can't blame Marty for thinking they are brothers.

BuckeyeRedleg
06-05-2008, 02:11 PM
I can watch all the scouting videos and even the commercial when I click the "watch Live draft" link, but I cannot see the live draft coverage (or even listen to it) without downloading something.

And I'm at work.

Very frustrating.

Cyclone792
06-05-2008, 02:11 PM
What could he know? Our ability to pick him is dependent on, among other things, him being available to pick when we draft. Everyone seems to know that the Reds have an interest.

Apparently little to nothing if he thinks the Beckhams are brothers.

Unless, of course, the Beckham's were both Little Lebowski Urban Achievers.

NC Reds
06-05-2008, 02:11 PM
Twins???

fearofpopvol1
06-05-2008, 02:12 PM
So it's been discussed ad nauseum, but if Matsuz is on the board when the Reds select, do you take him?

I say yes, but Gordon would be my 2nd choice (based on who would likely be available).

medford
06-05-2008, 02:12 PM
They could be twins.

BuckeyeRedleg
06-05-2008, 02:13 PM
I watched G. Beckham's videos and although they were from 2007, they were not very impressive. He looked kind of small with short legs.

David Cubbedge
06-05-2008, 02:13 PM
Beckham vs Alonso. Really, who do you guys want more?

Tom Servo
06-05-2008, 02:14 PM
Tim Beckham:

http://www.brewerfan.net/images/playerpix/amateur/tim_beckham.jpg

Gordon Beckham:

http://www.nmnathletics.com.edgesuite.net/pics28/200/FE/FEZEJVSVNCJXHTD.20070105200108.jpg

You can't blame Marty for thinking they are brothers.
That has to be the same picture twice. I can't tell these guys apart.

OnBaseMachine
06-05-2008, 02:14 PM
So it's been discussed ad nauseum, but if Matsuz is on the board when the Reds select, do you take him?

I say yes, but Gordon would be my 2nd choice (based on who would likely be available).

Yes.

REDREAD
06-05-2008, 02:14 PM
You can't blame Marty for thinking they are brothers.

:lol: Yes, the "expert on everything" called another one. :lol:

Doc. Scott
06-05-2008, 02:16 PM
Oops, the free draft video cut out. To the Draft Tracker!

EDIT: It's back. To the video!

fearofpopvol1
06-05-2008, 02:17 PM
Tim Beckham is the #1 pick.

acredsfan
06-05-2008, 02:18 PM
That has to be the same picture twice. I can't tell these guys apart.I am a twin, and when we were little my mom and dad were walking through Gatlinburg when a woman walked up to her... her frist question was "are they twins?" My mom said yes. Then she asked the dumbest question I've ever heard... "Do they have the same father?" Wow. So, maybe they are twins, but have different fathers...:rolleyes:

NorrisHopper30
06-05-2008, 02:19 PM
Tim Beckham has some ridiculous bat speed for a SS.

edabbs44
06-05-2008, 02:20 PM
Assuming Gordo is the pick, does anyone think that the pick would be different if Wayne was in charge? I realize that the feeling is that Buckley has full control of the draft, but I would assume that it isn't FULL control.

Tom Servo
06-05-2008, 02:21 PM
I am a twin, and when we were little my mom and dad were walking through Gatlinburg when a woman walked up to her... her frist question was "are they twins?" My mom said yes. Then she asked the dumbest question I've ever heard... "Do they have the same father?" Wow. So, maybe they are twins, but have different fathers...:rolleyes:
That's a good one. I can relate as I have a twin sister, and often get asked "Oh are you two identical twins?"

I mean, really?

NorrisHopper30
06-05-2008, 02:21 PM
If we draft Alonso should we expect Votto to move to the OF in a few years?

M2
06-05-2008, 02:21 PM
Posh Spice says that pick is major.

http://www.jaunted.com/files/5957/poshspice.jpg

fearofpopvol1
06-05-2008, 02:21 PM
Assuming Gordo is the pick, does anyone think that the pick would be different if Wayne was in charge? I realize that the feeling is that Buckley has full control of the draft, but I would assume that it isn't FULL control.

For some reason, I think it would be the same. I don't have anything to go off of, though.

fearofpopvol1
06-05-2008, 02:22 PM
The Pirates select Pedro Alvarez at #2

OnBaseMachine
06-05-2008, 02:22 PM
Pedro Alvarez goes to the Pirates at #2.

REDREAD
06-05-2008, 02:23 PM
That's a good one. I can relate as I have a twin sister, and often get asked "Oh are you two identical twins?"

I mean, really?

:lol:

You should say "Yeah, other than one small detail..."

That comment by acredsfan was hillarious too..

Doc. Scott
06-05-2008, 02:23 PM
Pedro Alvarez to Pittsburgh. Good for them- they didn't make a signability pick, at least.

flyer85
06-05-2008, 02:24 PM
I guess the draft will start to turn on the Royals pick, they could go a lot of different ways.

princeton
06-05-2008, 02:24 PM
Assuming Gordo is the pick, does anyone think that the pick would be different if Wayne was in charge? I realize that the feeling is that Buckley has full control of the draft, but I would assume that it isn't FULL control.

Gordon Beckham would be the pick if WK was in charge

if someone pricier is picked, then things are different

NorrisHopper30
06-05-2008, 02:24 PM
Hosmer or Matusz here, right?

OnBaseMachine
06-05-2008, 02:25 PM
If it comes down to Matusz or Beckham I pick Matusz, but either one is a great pick.

flyer85
06-05-2008, 02:26 PM
If it comes down to Matusz or Beckham I pick Matusz, but either one is a great pick.I would agree, take the arm.

NorrisHopper30
06-05-2008, 02:27 PM
If it comes down to Matusz or Beckham I pick Matusz, but either one is a great pick.

Completely agreed, take the LHP all day.

OnBaseMachine
06-05-2008, 02:27 PM
Eric Hosmer to Royals.

fearofpopvol1
06-05-2008, 02:28 PM
The Royals select Eric Hosmer with the 3rd pick

NorrisHopper30
06-05-2008, 02:28 PM
Kansas City Royals select Eric Hosmer with the #3 pick.

acredsfan
06-05-2008, 02:28 PM
That's a good one. I can relate as I have a twin sister, and often get asked "Oh are you two identical twins?"

I mean, really?How often have you gotten the "If I hit your twin, will you feel it?" The women at my old orthodontist office would ask me that almost every time I went in there like they were the first person to ever ask that. Real clever...

medford
06-05-2008, 02:28 PM
Not to let Marty off the hook, but when Marty said this, Brantley commented that it was going to be a good day in the Beckham household. While that is technically still true, as I'm sure both households will be happy today, it was obvious that Jeff just assumed what Marty said was correct.

I wonder if anyone has clued them in yet?

OnBaseMachine
06-05-2008, 02:28 PM
Come on Orioles, stay away from Matusz.

Doc. Scott
06-05-2008, 02:28 PM
Hosmer. Not bad. He's supposed to be the best HS hitter.

flyer85
06-05-2008, 02:28 PM
BTW, I would take Posey if he falls to #7

fearofpopvol1
06-05-2008, 02:29 PM
BTW, I would take Posey if he falls to #7

Even with the alleged $12 million asking price?

Doc. Scott
06-05-2008, 02:31 PM
Second straight draftee they're trying to talk to live that can't hear or communicate because of all the screaming in the background. Funny stuff.

NorrisHopper30
06-05-2008, 02:31 PM
I hear Baltimore is straying away from Crow because he eats Orioles :(

BuckeyeRedleg
06-05-2008, 02:31 PM
BP: 0-3
BA: 3-0

so far

KronoRed
06-05-2008, 02:32 PM
Second straight draftee they're trying to talk to live that can't hear or communicate because of all the screaming in the background. Funny stuff.

You'd think that getting drafted by Kansas City would keep the celebration down a bit.

NorrisHopper30
06-05-2008, 02:32 PM
Keith Law 3-3, hopefully 3-4 because he has Matusz going here.

OnBaseMachine
06-05-2008, 02:33 PM
Orioles take Brian Matusz. Damn.

fearofpopvol1
06-05-2008, 02:33 PM
At #4, the Orioles select Brian Matusz

redhawk61
06-05-2008, 02:33 PM
scratch Matusz off the board

KronoRed
06-05-2008, 02:33 PM
I like the pick from the O's, he's going to be good.

Doc. Scott
06-05-2008, 02:33 PM
Matusz to BAL. Good.

NorrisHopper30
06-05-2008, 02:34 PM
Keith Law 4-4, he's got Posey going here. I think they'll go Beckham, but we'll see.

flyer85
06-05-2008, 02:35 PM
Even with the alleged $12 million asking price?he'll sign and might be able to help @ catcher by late 2009. I don't want them running away from someone because of perceived $$$$.

OnBaseMachine
06-05-2008, 02:35 PM
Beckham will be a Red if the Giants stay away from him.

fearofpopvol1
06-05-2008, 02:35 PM
he'll sign and might be able to help @ catcher by late 2009. I don't want them running away from someone because of perceived $$$$.

I don't either, but if that's true, he's going to be unaffordable.

Chip R
06-05-2008, 02:35 PM
You'd think that getting drafted by Kansas City would keep the celebration down a bit.


Maybe he likes barbeque.

BuckeyeRedleg
06-05-2008, 02:35 PM
Keith Law 4-4, he's got Posey going here. I think they'll go Beckham, but we'll see.

BA has Smoak and BP has G. Beckham going here.

dougdirt
06-05-2008, 02:37 PM
BA has Smoak and BP has G. Beckham going here.

I am going with Posey.

WebScorpion
06-05-2008, 02:38 PM
By the way, for you guys who were discussing twins...fraternal (non-identical) twins can have different fathers. It's happened before...not sure what that says about the mother, but it is possible. :D

Tom Servo
06-05-2008, 02:38 PM
How often have you gotten the "If I hit your twin, will you feel it?" The women at my old orthodontist office would ask me that almost every time I went in there like they were the first person to ever ask that. Real clever...
I usually get whether or not we can communicate telepathically.

OnBaseMachine
06-05-2008, 02:38 PM
Giants select Buster Posey.

fearofpopvol1
06-05-2008, 02:38 PM
Giants pick Buster Posey

IslandRed
06-05-2008, 02:39 PM
OK, so Posey's off the board. The Marlins supposedly like Skipworth so that should leave it clear for Beckham to get to us at 7.

dougdirt
06-05-2008, 02:39 PM
I am going with Posey.

Mad skills.

Doc. Scott
06-05-2008, 02:40 PM
Posey it is. Florida's gotta be pissed about that one.

lollipopcurve
06-05-2008, 02:40 PM
Giants select Buster Posey.

Damn.

NorrisHopper30
06-05-2008, 02:40 PM
Keith Law 5-5, he's got Skipworth going to the Marlins.

Do you guys really think the Reds would bite on Alonso (he wants 8mm), or would they go for Smoak?

lollipopcurve
06-05-2008, 02:41 PM
Gotta figure it's going to be Gordy.

redhawk61
06-05-2008, 02:41 PM
Keith Law 5-5, he's got Skipworth going to the Marlins.

Do you guys really think the Reds would bite on Alonso (he wants 8mm), or would they go for Smoak?

I want Smoak over any of them

acredsfan
06-05-2008, 02:41 PM
By the way, for you guys who were discussing twins...fraternal (non-identical) twins can have different fathers. It's happened before...not sure what that says about the mother, but it is possible. :Dright, i've seen that before, that is a freak occurance.

BuckeyeRedleg
06-05-2008, 02:42 PM
Keith Law 5-5, he's got Skipworth going to the Marlins.

So does Mayo at MLB.com.

NorrisHopper30
06-05-2008, 02:42 PM
Anyone got a link to BA's mock draft or top 100 draftees? I'm trying to find some info on Smoak.

WebScorpion
06-05-2008, 02:43 PM
ESPN's draft tracker still doesn't have the Giants pick. RedsZone RULES!!:thumbup:

fearofpopvol1
06-05-2008, 02:44 PM
The Marlins take Kyle Skipworth

Doc. Scott
06-05-2008, 02:44 PM
Florida was probably hoping SF would take Smoak so they'd get Posey. Now, as long as the Marlins don't grab Beckham... and it's Skipworth!

OnBaseMachine
06-05-2008, 02:44 PM
Marlins take Kyle Skipworth.

Reds on the clock!!!

redhawk61
06-05-2008, 02:44 PM
Skipworth

Go SMOAK

Cyclone792
06-05-2008, 02:44 PM
Marlins take Skipworth.

Reds are up. Take Beckham and let's have a party.

M2
06-05-2008, 02:44 PM
Posh Spice predicts the next pick will be major.

http://spicetour.net/photos/spice_girls_tour_photos/images/23/original.aspx

NC Reds
06-05-2008, 02:45 PM
MLB draft tracker works best. I can't be upset if the Reds pick Crow or Beckham.

Tom Servo
06-05-2008, 02:46 PM
Will the Reds bend it like Beckham or maybe go out for a Smoak?

Prf15
06-05-2008, 02:46 PM
Please let it be Beckham, Smoak, or Crow.

fearofpopvol1
06-05-2008, 02:46 PM
Would the Reds be stupid if they took Crow?

redhawk61
06-05-2008, 02:47 PM
picks in it looks

KronoRed
06-05-2008, 02:47 PM
So...the spice girls are Reds fans? :D

membengal
06-05-2008, 02:47 PM
Hoping for one of those three as well, Prf. My preference would be for the pitcher, but no complaints if it is one of those three.

NorrisHopper30
06-05-2008, 02:48 PM
Beckham would come quickly for the Reds and give them a pretty strong, young offensive core. They have been and continue to be high on Brett Lawrie as well.

Any chance we see him late '09? Or is '10 more like it?

I'm gonna put my money on Aaron Crow for our pick, though.

OnBaseMachine
06-05-2008, 02:49 PM
Reds select........Yonder Alonso.

Wow.

No Beckham?!?

fearofpopvol1
06-05-2008, 02:49 PM
Uhh...I'm not blown away

Tom Servo
06-05-2008, 02:50 PM
Yonder Alonso it is.

HBP
06-05-2008, 02:50 PM
Alonso, whoa

M2
06-05-2008, 02:50 PM
That's not nearly as major as Posh Spice had hoped.

http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/2008/04/08-15/PoshSadAP_450x450.jpg

Reds Fanatic
06-05-2008, 02:50 PM
Scouting report on Alonso.


Biographical Data
Player Name: Yonder Alonso
Position: First Baseman
School: University of Miami
School Type: College
Academic Class: Junior
Birthdate: 04/08/87
Height: 6'2"
Weight: 215 lbs.
Bats: Left
Throws: Right
Report Date(s): 03/07 - 03/09/08
Game(s): Boston College


Focus Area Comments
Hitting Ability: Alonso looks like a professional hitter at the plate, a run producer with patience who's particularly good at going the other way.
Power: He's got above-average power, the kind that could generate 25-30 homers annually in the future. Right now, it's mostly to center and left-center, but as he gets older, he'll be able to turn on and pull pitches on the inner half of the plate
Running Speed: He's got below-average speed.
Base running: He's not a base-clogger, with good instincts on the basepaths.
Arm Strength: He's got a good arm at first.
Fielding: He's adequate at first, with decent hands that allow him to catch what's right at him.
Range: He has average range, fine for his position.
Physical Description: Alongso has a medium frame with a thick build. He's barrel-chested and solid throughout, having worked hard to tighten up his body.
Medical Update: Healthy.
Strengths: He's the kind of guy who will simply hit, with great plate discpline and plenty of power
Weaknesses: He's limited to first defensively and is only OK there.
Summary: Alonso or Smoak? Smoak or Alonso? It can be quite a debate over which college first baseman should go first on Draft day. Alonso is a hitter, period, with a great approach and power, especially the other way right now. Defensively, he's no great shakes, but it's that bat that teams will dream about putting in the middle of their lineup to produce plenty of runs in the future.

Joseph
06-05-2008, 02:50 PM
Boo.

OnBaseMachine
06-05-2008, 02:50 PM
I can't believe they didn't pick Beckham.

NorrisHopper30
06-05-2008, 02:50 PM
Not surprised by not getting Beckham, we must be confident in Janish/Keppinger.

BuckeyeRedleg
06-05-2008, 02:51 PM
Bye Adam Dunn.

Homer Bailey
06-05-2008, 02:51 PM
I'm dumbfounded. Another lefty power bat, with no real SS prospect in the system.

KronoRed
06-05-2008, 02:51 PM
I agree with Posh, why not the IF guy?

flyer85
06-05-2008, 02:51 PM
don't like the pick, I don't like guys who have no other position to go to because you really have to rake with the bat for it to play well at 1b.

Doc. Scott
06-05-2008, 02:51 PM
I knew I shouldn't have mocked MLB.com.

NC Reds
06-05-2008, 02:51 PM
You have to be kidding me. I like Smoak better than Alonso. I am comfortable with Votto at first. We could have added a plus arm or a middle infielder with pop. We get another first baseman. Unreal.

fearofpopvol1
06-05-2008, 02:52 PM
I hope the guy pans out, I would've rather gone with Smoak over Alonso. Beckham would've been a much better pick.

Tommyjohn25
06-05-2008, 02:52 PM
Initial, knee-jerk reaction? Dispair...gloom and despair. :thumbdown

Griffey4MVP
06-05-2008, 02:52 PM
another left handed hitting 1st baseman? does this spell doom for resigning dunn and moving votto to left? seems to be a reach according to the guys on ESPN

REDREAD
06-05-2008, 02:52 PM
Base running: He's not a base-clogger , with good instincts on the basepaths.

Dusty's influence? :lol:

I don't understand this pick, although I don't follow this stuff near as much as you guys do..

jojo
06-05-2008, 02:52 PM
Uhh...I'm not blown away

But he has light feet..... :cool:

Kind of a stretch I think but a good bat.

Doc. Scott
06-05-2008, 02:52 PM
Alonso sounds like he was a pick for safety over ceiling. Guy's already 21 and will be pretty certain to hit, but Beckham was supposed to be a fast mover as well.

OnBaseMachine
06-05-2008, 02:53 PM
Alonso is a great hitter. He's got huge power and the best plate discipline in the draft. He'll be a .400+ OBP guy but I'm surprised they passed on Beckham.

Cyclone792
06-05-2008, 02:54 PM
Bye Adam Dunn.

Yep, I have to say the Reds plan on cutting ties with Dunn after seeing this pick. This is disappointing; I was hoping to get the big stick at shortstop.

Mario-Rijo
06-05-2008, 02:54 PM
Leave it to us to screw up yet another draft! Alonso is ok but I would have preferred Beckham and Smoak ahead of him.

Cedric
06-05-2008, 02:55 PM
I like the pick. If you can't hit you aren't going to play in this league. The Reds drafted arguably the best hitting prospect in this whole draft. Can't complain. I'm really surprised that so many on this site were jacked up about a possible one year wonder at #7.

That's a VERY high risk for that kind of money. Alonso is the guy that is going to hit and have value even if it's not here.

BuckeyeRedleg
06-05-2008, 02:55 PM
Hopefully Votto isn't get too comfortable at 1B.

NorrisHopper30
06-05-2008, 02:56 PM
I actually like this pick and I think Alonso will succeed in GABP. I'm just wondering now if Votto will move to the OF (maybe getting rid of Dunn?).

Matt700wlw
06-05-2008, 04:19 PM
You can never have enough left handed first basemen apparantley.

Homer Bailey
06-05-2008, 04:20 PM
Redszone shut down after that pick? I'm still in shock.

OnBaseMachine
06-05-2008, 04:21 PM
Alonso isn't a bad pick. He's got 30+ homerun power and the best plate discipline of any hitter in the draft. It's been rumored he was looking for a major league contract so that probably explains why the Reds opened a spot on the 40-man roster yesterday.

NC Reds
06-05-2008, 04:22 PM
I don't like it. I see them moving Votto to left, where he is not a natural. I consider Dunn to be a part of the core. I guess new management does not.

OnBaseMachine
06-05-2008, 04:22 PM
Alonso hit .338/.468/.497 - .965 OPS with a wooden bat in the Cape Cod last year.

ChatterRed
06-05-2008, 04:22 PM
...Homer Bailey sent down to make room for..........Yonder Alonso? ;)

Biff Pocoroba
06-05-2008, 04:22 PM
bunch of whiners over here. Between our manager who can't coach and our front office which stinks in the draft and free agency, why ever did I think our future was bright?

I understand that forums and blogs would be nothing if rank amateurs weren't allowed to voice their knee jerk reactions - but still, it's amusing how a bunch of hacks on this board who probably have never seen any of these guys play can be so cocksure that a professional group of scouts and baseball execs are so assuredly wrong.

Kc61
06-05-2008, 04:22 PM
At number 7 you need a potential impact guy. As I see it, the only two left were Alonso and Smoak. I guess the Reds liked Alonso better, there's no way for me to compare them.

Beckham is probably an impact pick if he turns out to be a superior defensive shortstop. Sounds like it is unclear if he will stay at shortstop, so I prefer Alonso. If Beckham winds up at second base, not sure he has as much value.

Crow may also be considered a potential impact pick, but I read that his mechanics can make him an injury risk.

So based on what I've read, the Reds did well for a number seven selection. If they were in the top five, I might feel differently, those guys seemed higher rated. But at seven I have absolutely no complaints.

NorrisHopper30
06-05-2008, 04:23 PM
How long before we see this guy up in the Nati?

Again, I love the pick..it's a safe pick and the management must think he'll work out if they are willing to shell out the cash.

OnBaseMachine
06-05-2008, 04:25 PM
Trent has a video of Terry Reynolds talking about Alonso.

http://www.thelotd.com/ctrent/blog

gm
06-05-2008, 04:26 PM
"way over" Yonder sounds like a DH that Walt will deal to an AL team in 12+ months

OnBaseMachine
06-05-2008, 04:26 PM
Reds Go Off The Board

Posted Jun. 5, 2008 1:52 pm by John Manuel
Filed under: Draft Day

Not so fast my friend.

Gordon Beckham is NOT going to Cincinnati. The Reds took Yonder Alonso in something of a surprise, but Alonso is a heck of a hitter. Hes short to the ball, quick through the zone and has a polished approach. This really is the first case where a team took a college first baseman and decided he was just too good to ignore, no matter that they have a young first baseman in Joey Votto. But Votto has played left field in the past and some scouts believe he actually could be better defensively in left field. Alonso might be part of a post-Adam Dunn team in Cincinnati and should go off in the Great American Ballpark.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/?paged=2

CTA513
06-05-2008, 04:27 PM
I don't know if this was asked earlier in the thread, but how many rounds are they going to do today?

11larkin11
06-05-2008, 04:28 PM
Where does Yonder start? Sarasota?

OnBaseMachine
06-05-2008, 04:29 PM
Where does Yonder start? Sarasota?

That's where I would start him.

757690
06-05-2008, 04:29 PM
Yep, I have to say the Reds plan on cutting ties with Dunn after seeing this pick. This is disappointing; I was hoping to get the big stick at shortstop.

Never been a big fan of drafting to needs. The last two times I remember the Reds doing that were ryan wagner and c.j. Nitowski. We know how those turned out.

Way back in the 80's, the Reds had a top ss prospect in kurt stillwell, but drafted barry larkin anyway. They ended up keeping larkin and trading stillwell for danny jackson.

Especially in baseball, I like my team to pick the best player on the board, and sort out who plays where later.

This guy seems like a votto clone, only he walks more. Dusty won't like that, but sounds good to me.

cincyinco
06-05-2008, 04:30 PM
I dunno Bruce, fraizer, and yonder in the middle of a line up sounds mighty appealing to me.

OesterPoster
06-05-2008, 04:30 PM
I like the pick. Nobody seemed to care that Milwaukee picked LaPorta last year when they already had Fielder manning 1st base.

Pick up talent, and if you've got a traffic jam at one position, deal someone for the piece(s) you need.

OnBaseMachine
06-05-2008, 04:31 PM
I'd love to see a big time college arm like Aaron Shafer from Wichita State fall to the Reds at #84. Or a big HS bat.

TRF
06-05-2008, 04:31 PM
bunch of whiners over here. Between our manager who can't coach and our front office which stinks in the draft and free agency, why ever did I think our future was bright?

I understand that forums and blogs would be nothing if rank amateurs weren't allowed to voice their knee jerk reactions - but still, it's amusing how a bunch of hacks on this board who probably have never seen any of these guys play can be so cocksure that a professional group of scouts and baseball execs are so assuredly wrong.

The group of coaches and scouts also picked Drew Stubbs over a host of other, better players in 2006. A lot of guys on this board pour over stats, video and scouting reports. Beckham was the better pick as Dorn is more likely Dunn's replacement in LF. Alonso is 1B only, and is blocked by Votto. Meanwhile the only SS the Reds have that is a plus defender is Janish, and maybe Soto, who is in A ball.

:thumbdown on this pick for me.

Puffy
06-05-2008, 04:31 PM
I don't see anyway this doesn't spell the end of the Adam Dunn years in Cincinnati.

The MLB.com message board must be happy as pigs in, well, you know where the pigs are.

Welcome back BadFundamentals!

HokieRed
06-05-2008, 04:34 PM
I think it's way too early to speculate at all about what this means for Dunn, Votto, etc., but it is interesting to think about. If you had worried about losing Dunn, you had to figure that the Reds would try to make up for the power loss by going after either a first baseman or left fielder in free agency or by trade. But now they look like they've covered that, perhaps as early as 2010. That might give Walt the money that would have gone to Dunn to shore up the remaining weak spots, C, CF, 3b or SS. Walt is definitely going to have some money to work with and some people to trade: now he's got to make the right decisions.

crazyredfan40
06-05-2008, 04:36 PM
You take the BPA...Who cares what is going on at the major league level...

We took the guy that has been said to have the best bat in the draft...Can take a pitch and will take a walk...

Maybe in a couple years he is a top 20 prospect...Beckham might of been in the majors due to position he played, but was ranked as say 75 on the list...Which one would you rather have?

Then you can trade Alanso or Votto....Or you have a choice of moving Votto to a different position...If you have the #20 prospect as a bargaining chip you can get a lot of players...

Cyclone792
06-05-2008, 04:36 PM
Never been a big fan of drafting to needs. The last two times I remember the Reds doing that were ryan wagner and c.j. Nitowski. We know how those turned out.

Way back in the 80's, the Reds had a top ss prospect in kurt stillwell, but drafted barry larkin anyway. They ended up keeping larkin and trading stillwell for danny jackson.

Especially in baseball, I like my team to pick the best player on the board, and sort out who plays where later.

This guy seems like a votto clone, only he walks more. Dusty won't like that, but sounds good to me.

If you have the ability to take an up-the-middle defender with a big stick, then that's a damn good ballplayer that's impossible to ignore. First basemen who can hit are common, but shortstops who can hit are rare. Drafting Beckham over Yonder wouldn't have been drafting for a need; it would have been drafting a better ballplayer. That's why I'm disappointed that the Reds passed over Beckham.

All that said, I do think Alonso will rake so I don't think it's a bad pick. It's just that there was another guy out there - a better overall talent - that I would have rather had.

cincyinco
06-05-2008, 04:38 PM
I dont see where this necessarily spells the end of Adam Dunn either. Its likely a year or more away from seeing Alonso. On top of that, I'm not entirely sure I wouldn't deal Votto as he's cheaper, under control longer and may potentially have more value to other teams. I am not enamored with his defense either. This gives Jocketty the flexability to make some moves though - I expect the Reds think Alonso will be ready sooner rather than later.

bucksfan2
06-05-2008, 04:38 PM
I am not a big fan of this pick. IMO you are going to be paying quite a bit of cash to a guy who is a one position player in the NL. It really rules out any flexibility that the organization has with him. It sounds as if the reds took a guy who had a higher floor but lower ceiling.

I would hope that the reds get him to A or A+ ball ASAP. I would think they want to see if Alonso can continue to rake in the minors to help them make a decision on Dunn. Maybe I am looking too far ahead of schedule but I would imagine the last thing the reds want is 3 players who can only play the same two positions in Dunn, Alonso, and Votto.

IslandRed
06-05-2008, 04:39 PM
I don't see anyway this doesn't spell the end of the Adam Dunn years in Cincinnati.

I don't know that it absolutely means they won't try to re-sign Dunn, but it might keep them out of Pay Him Whatever It Takes territory, which is probably a good thing.

As for me, I'm not a Miami fan but I'm a fan of a team that plays Miami, and this dude's bat is just sick. I like OesterPoster's comp of this pick with Milwaukee's selection of LaPorta last year.

jmcclain19
06-05-2008, 04:39 PM
Everytime I see someone pump up Danny Dorn as Adam Dunn's replacement it just makes me shake my head. And I've seen it mentioned repeatedly on the board.

We're talking about a guy who is still years away from contributing - if at all. All the pros think so highly of him he's never mentioned on any prospect list anywhere since he's been drafted.

The more likely scenario is Votto to LF and Alonso to 1B - if Alonso pans out and Dunn isn't signed. All big mysteries at this point.

Reds Fanatic
06-05-2008, 04:40 PM
I don't know if this was asked earlier in the thread, but how many rounds are they going to do today?
I am not sure how many rounds but they are supposed to go until 9 PM tonight and then start again at I believe 11:30 tomorrow morning.

cincyinco
06-05-2008, 04:43 PM
If you have the ability to take an up-the-middle defender with a big stick, then that's a damn good ballplayer that's impossible to ignore. First basemen who can hit are common, but shortstops who can hit are rare. Drafting Beckham over Yonder wouldn't have been drafting for a need; it would have been drafting a better ballplayer. That's why I'm disappointed that the Reds passed over Beckham.

All that said, I do think Alonso will rake so I don't think it's a bad pick. It's just that there was another guy out there - a better overall talent - that I would have rather had.

How can you say that Beckham is the better talent? With certainty? You cannot yet, IMO. Alonso has hit a bit longer than Gordon. I understand Beckham plays the more premium position, but I think Alonso has the better bat offensively.

I like the pick. I would have been happy with Beckham, I would have been happy with Smoak - but as I posed in another thread, "why is everyone so down on Yonder, he's got one of the best swings in the draft..". I really feel that way. He's got a sweet swing and its gonna be great to pair up with Bruce and hopefully Frazier. I think Frazier and Yonder are going to be on a similar time table now.

I think its a solid pick. Nothing flashy, but its pretty safe, proven bet.

Betterread
06-05-2008, 04:44 PM
I like this pick. He will be in the majors in 3 years (if we can sign him)
1.303 OPS and 32 extra base hits versus 30 Ks. He is very good.


Rank Team Player OBP

1 Florida State Buster Posey .572
2 Georgia Southern Chris Shehan .557
3 Yale Ryan Lavarnway .541
4 Coastal Carolina Scott Woodward .539
5 Miami, Florida Yonder Alonso .536
6 Arizona State Brett Wallace .531
6 Western Carolina Blake Murphy .531
8 Texas Southern Earnest Rhone .528
9 Alcorn State Jabari Graham .527
10 Florida Gulf Coast Jason Peacock .525

Rank Team Player OPS

1 Florida State Buster Posey 1.469
2 Georgia Southern Chris Shehan 1.392
3 Yale Ryan Lavarnway 1.365
4 College of Charleston Jeremie Tice 1.333
5 Miami, Florida Yonder Alonso 1.303
6 Kentucky Sawyer Carroll 1.296
7 Arizona State Brett Wallace 1.293
8 Georgia Gordon Beckham 1.286
9 Pepperdine Eric Thames 1.282
10 Georgia Southern Ty Wright 1.275

dougdirt
06-05-2008, 04:45 PM
No issues with the pick. Beckham was there and it seemed he was the lock for the Reds given their history, but Alonso has a great bat (compared to Adrian Gonzalez) with great discipline and he hits to all fields. So what if he is limited to 1B, if you can hit then it doesn't matter.

I really feel that if the Reds took Beckham a bunch of people would complain we didn't take Crow or that we took another SS who may not stay there. The day a team picks someone that everyone agrees with outside of the top 5 will be the day I call someone a liar.

Az. Reds Fan
06-05-2008, 04:48 PM
I don't really have a problem with Alonso, he will be an impact bat. To say this spells the end for Adam Dunn is a bit premature, let's get the kid signed first. I mean an outfield of Votto, Stubbs and Bruce and Alonso at first doesn't sound too bad to me. Granted that would mean Dunn would be dealt, and if we could get some quality pitching for him...so be it.

flyer85
06-05-2008, 04:48 PM
Alonso is a great hitter. He's got huge power and the best plate discipline in the draft. He'll be a .400+ OBP guy but I'm surprised they passed on Beckham.watched videos on him, he is s-l-o-w and heavy on his feet. 1b is his only position. He had better rake.

OesterPoster
06-05-2008, 04:48 PM
The day a team picks someone that everyone agrees with outside of the top 5 will be the day I call someone a liar.

Maybe if the Reds were picking, oh, like 26th or 27th every year...we wouldn't care as much. ;)

IslandRed
06-05-2008, 04:49 PM
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OnBaseMachine
06-05-2008, 04:49 PM
Baseball America ranks Alonso as having the best strikezone judgement of all college hitters.

jmcclain19
06-05-2008, 04:49 PM
You have to wonder if the Reds saw something in Beckham that the Reds didn't like.

The guy just screams Chris Buckley type of player (Up the middle defender/baseball saavy grinder) who the Reds have spent scores of draft picks on over the last two years, yet they pass on him.

Curious indeed.

cincyinco
06-05-2008, 04:50 PM
Yankees took Garrit Cole, my pick for the Rockies in our Mock draft. Great pick for the Yanks I think. They can afford the high ceiling high risk guy.

flyer85
06-05-2008, 04:50 PM
"way over" Yonder sounds like a DHmy thought after siing how unathletic he is and the scouting reports saying his defense is average at best.

NorrisHopper30
06-05-2008, 04:50 PM
No issues with the pick. Beckham was there and it seemed he was the lock for the Reds given their history, but Alonso has a great bat (compared to Adrian Gonzalez) with great discipline and he hits to all fields. So what if he is limited to 1B, if you can hit then it doesn't matter.

I really feel that if the Reds took Beckham a bunch of people would complain we didn't take Crow or that we took another SS who may not stay there. The day a team picks someone that everyone agrees with outside of the top 5 will be the day I call someone a liar.

Got any ETA for Yonder in the MLB?

BuckeyeRedleg
06-05-2008, 04:51 PM
I think he's in the majors in little over a year. No doubt. Kid can rake. If he somehow starts out in Billings (I doubt it) he will OPS in the 1.000-1.200 range.

My guess is Dayton for the rest of the year with maybe a late call up to Sarasota.

Chattanooga to start off 2009. He will be up for good in late 2009. This is just too good of a polished college bat to be down very long.

He and Frazier will form a scary duo to join Bruce (and hopefully Stubbs) for good by April 2010.

NorrisHopper30
06-05-2008, 04:51 PM
my thought after siing how unathletic he is and the scouting reports saying his defense is average at best.

Chris Buckley said his defense is outstanding on Ctrent's blog.

flyer85
06-05-2008, 04:51 PM
I like the pick. Nobody seemed to care that Milwaukee picked LaPorta last year when they already had Fielder manning 1st base. they moved Laporta to the OF ... the problem is they just moved Braun(real awful at 3rd, bad in LF) to LF. Trade Alonso for Laporta :D

Patrick Bateman
06-05-2008, 04:51 PM
I agree with Cyclone. Honestly, it's not difficult to find 1st base bats. He's likely going to be a solid player, but I'd rather have gone with an impact SS. There just aren't many opportunities in finding impact bats that play up the middle.

NC Reds
06-05-2008, 04:51 PM
I watched some of Miami in the college playoffs. I concur he has a nice swing. I think he is a bit lumpy though and will probably get slower as he ages.

I wanted a plus arm (Crow - I understand the injury risk) or a plus bat in the middle infield (Beckham). This is the source of my disappointment. I think Yonder will be a big leaguer and possibly a good one at that. I would rather keep Dunn though, even if it is expensive.

Ben
06-05-2008, 04:52 PM
What time do the Reds pick again...Does anyone have a good time frame?

OnBaseMachine
06-05-2008, 04:52 PM
The Reds now have three great hitters who should arrive around the same time in the majors in Yonder Alonso, Todd Frazier, and Chris Valaika.

RedlegJake
06-05-2008, 04:52 PM
Not unusual. I love the pick. I like his bat better than Beckham's. Beckham's probably the better all around player. Stil as long as they picked one of Smoak, Alonso, Beckham I'm happy. But it wouldn't be RedsZone if there wasn't gnashing of teeth, wailing and renting of garments with ashes.

OnBaseMachine
06-05-2008, 04:53 PM
What time do the Reds pick again...Does anyone have a good time frame?

Probably in the 7 or 8 o'clock range.

Reds Fanatic
06-05-2008, 04:53 PM
What time do the Reds pick again...Does anyone have a good time frame?Not sure on time it is the 3rd round. They are just getting close to the end of the 1st. They still have the 2nd round including the compensatory picks. The Red Sox just made pick 30 and the Reds draft next on pick 84 so it is going to be awhile.

Cyclone792
06-05-2008, 04:54 PM
How can you say that Beckham is the better talent? With certainty? You cannot yet, IMO. Alonso has hit a bit longer than Gordon. I understand Beckham plays the more premium position, but I think Alonso has the better bat offensively.

No it's not certain, it's just a better probability at the moment given the positional differences. The average big league shortstop is barely able to OPS .700 while the average first sacker is over .800. I know Alonso is likely a better hitter than Beckham, but that's strictly hitting. But you're looking at a positional difference that's on opposite ends of the defensive spectrum. Good shortstops are extremely difficult to find whereas good hitters at first base are a bit more common.

I'm not bitter that the Reds took Alonso; I just would rather have had the shortstop.

flyer85
06-05-2008, 04:54 PM
Chris Buckley said his defense is outstanding on Ctrent's blog.not what the scouting reports said

from mlb.com

He's adequate at first, with decent hands that allow him to catch what's right at him

he is very heavy on his feet and his lateral movement would have to be poor to get a statement like that.

OnBaseMachine
06-05-2008, 04:55 PM
Casey Kelly just went to the Red Sox with the #30 pick.

Buckeye33
06-05-2008, 04:55 PM
Not sure on time it is the 3rd round. They are just getting close to the end of the 1st. They still have the 2nd round including the compensatory picks. The Red Sox just made pick 30 and the Reds draft next on pick 84 so it is going to be awhile.

I'll assume that they'll knock the time given to each team down from 5 minutes to 2 or 3 for the 2nd and 3rd rounds?

flyer85
06-05-2008, 04:56 PM
I'm not bitter that the Reds took Alonso; I just would rather have had the shortstop.pretty well sums it up.

Gallen5862
06-05-2008, 04:56 PM
Did Redszone crash after the Yonder Alonso pick? I kept getting error messages from the site. I am glad the Reds got a good bat in Yonder Alonso. Did Drew Anderson clear waivers? I saw he was outrighted to Louisville. Did the Anderson move clear a 40 man roster spot for Yonder Alonso?

cincyinco
06-05-2008, 04:57 PM
The time does decrease as we go forward in the draft, but not sure on what rounds.. may go like this for the first 3 or so with supplimental rounds included.. not sure.

Reds Fanatic
06-05-2008, 04:57 PM
I'll assume that they'll knock the time given to each team down from 5 minutes to 2 or 3 for the 2nd and 3rd rounds?
The time will go down though I remember from last year they usually take about 15 minute breaks between rounds.

Handofdeath
06-05-2008, 04:57 PM
Baseball America ranks Alonso as having the best strikezone judgement of all college hitters.

And that, along with being able to absolutely rake, is why the Reds took him. Very good pick I think.

gm
06-05-2008, 04:58 PM
my thought after siing how unathletic he is and the scouting reports saying his defense is average at best.

watched the mlb video...reminds me of Jack Cust...we'll see if he ever pushes Votto to LF (but M2 doesn't like Joey's flyball tracking skills...)

reds44
06-05-2008, 04:58 PM
I have no problem with the Alonso pick, all the dude does is rake.

I'm just curious if it's the writing on the wall for Adam Dunn.

Blue
06-05-2008, 04:59 PM
I don't like it. However, if he does what Matt LaPorta has so far, I'll change my mind.

RedsManRick
06-05-2008, 05:00 PM
Maybe I'm just biased towards a change of pace, but I'm glad to see the Reds pick a polished hitter known for his plate discipline and power. The obvious Votto questions aside, he just seems like a higher floor guy than anybody else on the board.

OnBaseMachine
06-05-2008, 05:00 PM
Shooter Hunt is still available going into the compensation picks. This would have been a nice year to have a couple extra picks.

cincyinco
06-05-2008, 05:01 PM
No it's not certain, it's just a better probability at the moment given the positional differences. The average big league shortstop is barely able to OPS .700 while the average first sacker is over .800. I know Alonso is likely a better hitter than Beckham, but that's strictly hitting. But you're looking at a positional difference that's on opposite ends of the defensive spectrum. Good shortstops are extremely difficult to find whereas good hitters at first base are a bit more common.

I'm not bitter that the Reds took Alonso; I just would rather have had the shortstop.


You're preaching to the choir bro :) I know the SS is the harder to find guy, thats not my point. I would say its entirely debatable who the better player is between the two - regardless of positional/defensive value/gains. We have a long way to go. I was hoping for the more flashy pick myself, but nothing I'm going to lament over. Yonder Alonso is a quality hitter, with mixed reviews on his D which at worst states he should be adequate.

BRM
06-05-2008, 05:01 PM
Maybe I'm just biased towards a change of pace, but I'm glad to see the Reds pick a polished hitter known for his plate discipline and power. The obvious Votto questions aside, he just seems like a higher floor guy than anybody else on the board.

Same here. I like the pick. Can't wait for his Reds career to get started. :)

Mario-Rijo
06-05-2008, 05:03 PM
My biggest issue is we now have what amounts to either 2 future 1st basemen or 2 future LF's or maybe 2 3rd basemen.

1st -Votto & Alonso
LF - Frazier & Votto
3B - EE & Frazier

This of course is assuming Dunn isn't going to be here if he is we have a super logjam.

cincyinco
06-05-2008, 05:04 PM
Personally, I'm not all that enamored with Votto. I don't know. I like the guy, but I wouldn't be upset if he was moved, especially if Jocketty could get another team to bite on what a talent he is and net a nice return. But, thats just me.

cincyinco
06-05-2008, 05:05 PM
My biggest issue is we now have what amounts to either 2 future 1st basemen or 2 future LF's or maybe 2 3rd basemen.

1st -Votto & Alonso
LF - Frazier & Votto
3B - EE & Frazier

This of course is assuming Dunn isn't going to be here if he is we have a super logjam.

A logjam of which 1 or more can be moved to alleviate the problem, while netting some talent elsewhere that is needed. Like maybe CF. or SS.

flyer85
06-05-2008, 05:06 PM
Same here. I like the pick. Can't wait for his Reds career to get started. :)supposedly he wants $8M(he obviously won't get that) and a major league deal but I doubt his career gets started anytime soon.

Scrap Irony
06-05-2008, 05:06 PM
I don't like the pick. Alonso is, IMO, the fifth best option for pick 7. Smoak is the better 1B, a switch hitter, with better pop and a better glove, not to mention better BA skills. He also played against better competition.

Alonso can take a walk.

Bekham is a SS with a plus glove (and above average range) who hit the ball hard during the Cape Cod League (leading it in HR), not to mention being the best position player in the toughest conference in the nation. Did I mention he's a shortstop?

Alonso can not strike out as much.

Crow has an electric arm, the best fastball in the draft, and a track record of success.

Alonso is 250 lbs.

Lawrie is young, ultra talented, and has shown an ability to hit rarely found in someone his age. He can also play 3B and C. He's three years younger than Alonso.

Alonso plays 1B. Only.

Aargh.

cincyinco
06-05-2008, 05:07 PM
His career gets a start by August or he goes back to the draft, right? And we get a pick at 7 again next year? Is that how it works?

REDREAD
06-05-2008, 05:09 PM
Never been a big fan of drafting to needs. The last two times I remember the Reds doing that were ryan wagner and c.j. Nitowski. We know how those turned out.
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Actually CJ was a great pick. He was able to be flipped for David Wells shortly thereafter.

But I agree with your point. If they felt Yonder was the best overall talent on the board, they should take him. He or Votto can be traded down the road if need be.

RedlegJake
06-05-2008, 05:09 PM
Alonso wil get signed. My bet is a ML contract and the biggest bonus ever given by the Reds and it won't take long to get it done either. They already opened a spot on the 40 man for it.

TRF
06-05-2008, 05:10 PM
Alonso is the Anti-Stubbs. All power, no speed, weaker defense. Pheh.

For a team with defensive issues, and one whose offense has been coming alive again, this is a curious pick. He seems to be a fast track guy, but unless Dunn disappears or Votto gets moved (bad, bad idea), he's go no place to play.

It's just a curious pick is all.

TheBigLebowski
06-05-2008, 05:10 PM
I have watched all 3 guys (Alsonso, Smoak and Beckham) play several times over the past few years as all of their respective college teams play UF frequently.

Talent-wise, we got the best of the 3. However, they are all superb players and Yonder was probably my least favorite of the bunch due to his proclivity for performing "faux" Gator-chomps.

dougdirt
06-05-2008, 05:12 PM
Alonso is 250 lbs.


Really? He is listed at 215.... thats a big chunk he added in that time.

cincyinco
06-05-2008, 05:13 PM
Did Shooter just go to the Twins? Steven Hunt? Tulane..

NC Reds
06-05-2008, 05:13 PM
I thought he looked heavier than 215. He is not 250 from what I could tell.

Mario-Rijo
06-05-2008, 05:14 PM
A logjam of which 1 or more can be moved to alleviate the problem, while netting some talent elsewhere that is needed. Like maybe CF. or SS.

That's fine but who do you trade? Frazier, EE, Alonso (if so why pick him), or Votto?

I myself would not deal Votto, that is a big mistake IMO.

cincyinco
06-05-2008, 05:15 PM
Jake Odorizzi to the Brew Crew.. Nice pick for them.

BRM
06-05-2008, 05:15 PM
Did Shooter just go to the Twins? Steven Hunt? Tulane..

That's him.

dougdirt
06-05-2008, 05:18 PM
Picks are flying in now.

REDREAD
06-05-2008, 05:18 PM
His career gets a start by August or he goes back to the draft, right? And we get a pick at 7 again next year? Is that how it works?

If we don't sign him, we only get a sandwhich pick (between round 1 and 2)
That's what happened when we didn't sign Sowers...

KronoRed
06-05-2008, 05:18 PM
His career gets a start by August or he goes back to the draft, right? And we get a pick at 7 again next year? Is that how it works?

If they fail to sign him they get the same pick next year, but I don't know what the time limit is.

It wouldn't make me upset if they punt on that spending that much cash and get the 7 pick again next year ;)