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keeganbrick
06-14-2008, 06:49 PM
I just don't understand why neither of these two saw the mound today. Unreal to run Weathers out there then Lincoln for 2 innings....amazing.

captainmorgan07
06-14-2008, 06:54 PM
I could see not running Burton out there he's been used a couple days in a row. Lincoln did his job in the 9th but Dusty should no from past outings that Lincoln in his second inning doesn't fare to well. Should have brought in Cordero. Any smart manager would have done that.

keeganbrick
06-14-2008, 06:56 PM
Yea, I guess Burton pitched the last two days although his outing yesterday was short and stress free. Still....Cordero please.

Cicero
06-14-2008, 07:07 PM
I am now firmly in the fire Dusty camp. Pinch hitting Patterson, trotting Weathers out there, and so on.

dsmith421
06-14-2008, 07:11 PM
Because if Cordero gets the Red Sox out and the Reds fail to win in the tenth, then Cordero would appear in a game without getting credit for a stupid, arcane, pointless statistic.

We're pitching an unreliable rookie against a former World Series MVP tomorrow. There is little chance we'll need either Burton or Cordero to pitch high-leverage innings. Play to win the game, Dusty.

Also, Corey Patterson is the single stupidest hitter I've ever seen.

AccordinglyReds
06-14-2008, 07:17 PM
No reason to bring in Burton in today's game at that point since he'd been used the last two, but after Lincoln did his job in the 9th, Dusty easily should have brought Cordero in to the game to save it from the Red Sox scoring. No reason to bring Lincoln back out there when you're at home.

And yes, like always, Corey Patterson up there was ridiculous.

JayBruce4HOF
06-14-2008, 07:24 PM
Dusty is truly clueless. He makes me hate being a Reds fan. :(

Jack Burton
06-14-2008, 07:47 PM
Fire Dusty immediately, it the only cure for this sickness. He's a bum, point blank. He's the worst thing that ever happened to the Reds, worse than communism and the name change and stuff. Get lost meatball.

JayBruce4HOF
06-14-2008, 08:05 PM
Fire Dusty immediately, it the only cure for this sickness. He's a bum, point blank. He's the worst thing that ever happened to the Reds, worse than communism and the name change and stuff. Get lost meatball.

:lol:

Blue
06-14-2008, 09:07 PM
I was thinking Bray in the 8th and Cordero in the 10th. There's no question Cordero should have pitched the 10th. For all the games Dusty has used Cordero when the lead was more than 3, he refused to use him in a tied game today. Unbelievable. $40 million closer that we don't use in a tied game.

I'd like to encourage you all to change your signatures.

HalMorrisRules
06-14-2008, 09:28 PM
My thought after Bako ended the 9th was that Dusty would double switch Ross for Bako and bring in Bray. I was shocked when he pitched Lincoln for the second inning.

757690
06-14-2008, 09:57 PM
First, patterson was the only lefty available, the problem with carrying 12 pitchers.
Dusty gets ripped when he double switches, and then ripped. When he lets a guy go two innings.
If dusty does not have faith that lincoln can not go two innings in a game, then lincoln should not be on the team. He is the rh middle reliever, that is his job.
I think that if dusty cured cancer, you guys would find some way to rip him.
What a bunch of whinny jokers.

ChatterRed
06-14-2008, 10:32 PM
I was at the game and turned to the crowd and said "you can leave, Mike Lincoln is about to give up the game winning HR"......and then he did.

When Corey Patterson came up to PH, I again turned to the crowd and said "nice win, Red Sox fans!"

I was astounded that Weathers and Lincoln were called upon in so close a game. Ridiculous.

Blue
06-14-2008, 10:33 PM
First, patterson was the only lefty available, the problem with carrying 12 pitchers.
Dusty gets ripped when he double switches, and then ripped. When he lets a guy go two innings.
If dusty does not have faith that lincoln can not go two innings in a game, then lincoln should not be on the team. He is the rh middle reliever, that is his job.
I think that if dusty cured cancer, you guys would find some way to rip him.
What a bunch of whinny jokers.

Whinny? You mean like the girl from "The Wonder Years"?

Only one lefty available? He's still Corey Patterson. He proved that by hacking at the first pitch he saw. David Ross was available, but he decided to "play the percentages". My percentages say that Coery Patterson should never bat. FACT: Ross is better versus righties than Patterson.

He wouldn't have to double switch to bring Cordero in. Just put him in Lincoln's spot. Any person who is not a complete moron would have done so.

If Dusty cures cancer then he should go into epidemiology or something, not coach baseball, which he clearly has no business doing.

You should stop acting like there is something wrong with the people who criticize Dusty Baker for making stupid managerial decisions. He is a terrible manager, and if you can't see that you just can't recognize one. He is the worst. THE WORST. Its not even that close. He hurts this team every night.

NarrowStairs
06-15-2008, 01:24 AM
off with that bastards head. We're across the MD line, but not by far!

757690
06-15-2008, 04:51 AM
Whinny? You mean like the girl from "The Wonder Years"?

Only one lefty available? He's still Corey Patterson. He proved that by hacking at the first pitch he saw. David Ross was available, but he decided to "play the percentages". My percentages say that Coery Patterson should never bat. FACT: Ross is better versus righties than Patterson.

He wouldn't have to double switch to bring Cordero in. Just put him in Lincoln's spot. Any person who is not a complete moron would have done so.

If Dusty cures cancer then he should go into epidemiology or something, not coach baseball, which he clearly has no business doing.

You should stop acting like there is something wrong with the people who criticize Dusty Baker for making stupid managerial decisions. He is a terrible manager, and if you can't see that you just can't recognize one. He is the worst. THE WORST. Its not even that close. He hurts this team every night.


But there is something wrong with you Dusty haters, something very wrong. You prove it by saying that he is the worst manager ever. Heck, he ain't even the worst manager the Reds have had in the last five years, in fact he is one of the best. If you can't understand that Dusty is better than Narron or Boone, than there is something seriously wrong with you.

Both decisions that he made in todays game that he is being ripped on were completely defendable. Not that they were the right move, but there was perfectly good logic behind both of them.

A manager makes over a hundred decisions a game, it is easy to pick one or two of every loss and blame the manager. A retarded monkey can do that.
I disagree with many Dusty decisions, nearly every game, like i did with Mac, Narron, Miley, Boone, McKeon, Knight, Johnson, Perez, Pinella, Rose, Rapp, Nixon, MacNamera, and Sparky. But I understand that every manager is going to make decisions that everyone can second guess after the fact. Dusty makes his share, but that is all. He does not make anymore than any other manager. It is part of the game.

chettt
06-15-2008, 08:14 AM
But there is something wrong with you Dusty haters, something very wrong. You prove it by saying that he is the worst manager ever. Heck, he ain't even the worst manager the Reds have had in the last five years, in fact he is one of the best. If you can't understand that Dusty is better than Narron or Boone, than there is something seriously wrong with you.

Both decisions that he made in todays game that he is being ripped on were completely defendable. Not that they were the right move, but there was perfectly good logic behind both of them.

A manager makes over a hundred decisions a game, it is easy to pick one or two of every loss and blame the manager. A retarded monkey can do that.
I disagree with many Dusty decisions, nearly every game, like i did with Mac, Narron, Miley, Boone, McKeon, Knight, Johnson, Perez, Pinella, Rose, Rapp, Nixon, MacNamera, and Sparky. But I understand that every manager is going to make decisions that everyone can second guess after the fact. Dusty makes his share, but that is all. He does not make anymore than any other manager. It is part of the game.



I'm with you, 757690. I had to double check what web site I was on. I thought it was a CUBS site for awhile.

Maldez
06-15-2008, 08:35 AM
I was at the game and turned to the crowd and said "you can leave, Mike Lincoln is about to give up the game winning HR"......and then he did.

They don't call him Stinkin' Lincoln for nothin'.

Blue
06-15-2008, 11:39 AM
But there is something wrong with you Dusty haters, something very wrong. You prove it by saying that he is the worst manager ever. Heck, he ain't even the worst manager the Reds have had in the last five years, in fact he is one of the best. If you can't understand that Dusty is better than Narron or Boone, than there is something seriously wrong with you.

Both decisions that he made in todays game that he is being ripped on were completely defendable. Not that they were the right move, but there was perfectly good logic behind both of them.

A manager makes over a hundred decisions a game, it is easy to pick one or two of every loss and blame the manager. A retarded monkey can do that.
I disagree with many Dusty decisions, nearly every game, like i did with Mac, Narron, Miley, Boone, McKeon, Knight, Johnson, Perez, Pinella, Rose, Rapp, Nixon, MacNamera, and Sparky. But I understand that every manager is going to make decisions that everyone can second guess after the fact. Dusty makes his share, but that is all. He does not make anymore than any other manager. It is part of the game.

No. NO. Narron, Mackannin, Boone, and Miley were all bad, but still better than this idiot. Tell me, what makes Dusty better than those guys? I'm sure its something like "hesaprovenwinnerwhoknowshowthegameissupposedtobepl ayed". Dusty's been here lest than three months, and I'd bet he's made as many mistakes as Narron did in two years. There's was nothing wrong with Mackannin. Boone was a guy who, like Dusty, had a "genius at work" sign on his office door, but he was still no worse than Dudepick. Miley had poor results with a poor team, but didn't put his team in a worse position night after night.

There's nothing "after the fact" about criticism of Dusty. They are clearly bad decisions when they are made. Sometimes he gets away with it, but that doesn't make it a good decision, it means the moron got lucky. Some of them are mistakes that few other managers would make. Many of them are mistakes that only he would make. He makes plenty more mistakes than any other manager in MLB right now. An infant could manage a team better than Dudepick.

You should really stop apologizing for the guy's every move. He is really really really hurting this team, and he's the most easily corrected deficiency this team has.

Blue
06-15-2008, 11:41 AM
I'm with you, 757690. I had to double check what web site I was on. I thought it was a CUBS site for awhile.


Yes, I'm sure Cubs fans spend a lot of time lamenting what Dusty is doing to the Reds.