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Blitz Dorsey
06-15-2008, 11:56 PM
We obviously got a steal with Roenicke in the 10th round of the 2006 draft. However, why was he still available that late? Is that where he was projected to go, or did he slip a bit? I just don't understand how a hard-throwing guy like Roenicke lasted that long. But I'm sure glad he did.

Did he not have a good career at UCLA? Were there injury concerns? Was he a former starter who just caught fire when the Reds turned him into a closer, or was he a closer in college too?

TIA!

indy_dave00
06-16-2008, 12:17 AM
Josh was converted from outfielder to pitcher late in his career at UCLA. His limited experience , age and having only a fast ball were all reasons why he went in the 10th round.

Josh will be 26 in August, he was almost 24 when drafted.

Blitz Dorsey
06-16-2008, 04:40 PM
That's right, I thought he switched sports or something, but it was switched positons (from OF to P like you said). Thanks!

dougdirt
06-16-2008, 04:48 PM
That's right, I thought he switched sports or something, but it was switched positons (from OF to P like you said). Thanks!

He played football at UCLA too, so he was a 2 sport guy as well. He did s=play outfield and pitch out of the pen there too though.

Blitz Dorsey
06-16-2008, 04:51 PM
OK, my memory isn't quite as bad as I thought. Thanks. Do you remember what position he played in football? I'm guessing safety.

OnBaseMachine
06-16-2008, 04:58 PM
OK, my memory isn't quite as bad as I thought. Thanks. Do you remember what position he played in football? I'm guessing safety.

Wide receiver.

dougdirt
06-16-2008, 04:59 PM
OK, my memory isn't quite as bad as I thought. Thanks. Do you remember what position he played in football? I'm guessing safety.

I was thinking it was WR....

IslandRed
06-16-2008, 05:05 PM
Even today, Roenicke has only pitched 114 innings in his college and pro careers combined. He may be about to turn 26 but pitching-wise he's still a pup, which makes his results all the more remarkable.

OnBaseMachine
06-16-2008, 05:17 PM
But to answer the question, he fell because of lack of experience pitching and probably needed to work on his secondary pitches, which he has done and that's why he's about ready to reach the majors. A lot of your top relievers in the game today are late round picks. Just for example: Pat Neshek of the Twins was a 6th rounder. Jared Burton was a 8th rounder. J.J. Putz was a 6th rounder. Matt Capps was a 7th rounder. George Sherrill went undrafted. Bobby Jenks was a 5th rounder. That's why I'm not a big fan of drafting relievers in the first round unless you have multiple first round picks. Good relievers can be found in later rounds.

Benihana
06-16-2008, 07:41 PM
That's why I'm not a big fan of drafting relievers in the first round unless you have multiple first round picks. Good relievers can be found in later rounds.

Or in the form of failed/converted starters.

Either way I agree completely: Don't draft a reliever in the first two rounds of the draft.

camisadelgolf
06-17-2008, 09:27 AM
Or in the form of failed/converted starters.

Either way I agree completely: Don't draft a reliever in the first two rounds of the draft.

I would generally agree with that, but I think going for a Huston Street-type isn't all that bad of an idea. A guy who is almost certain to be a future closer is usually worth more than the guy who has less than a 50% chance of being an every-day player or league-average starter.

Blitz Dorsey
06-17-2008, 10:05 AM
Ryan Wagner and Sean Watson agree that the Reds shouldn't take relievers in the first two rounds.

camisadelgolf
06-17-2008, 10:14 AM
Ryan Wagner is evidence that Jim Bowden shouldn't have anything to do with the draft process. The jury is still out on Sean Watson, who is already in AA.

cincyinco
06-17-2008, 02:36 PM
I didn't think Watson was a 2nd rounder? Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I thought he was a 3rd or 4th round guy. On the crackberry so its hard for me to check, going mostly of memory. In any case, I am not sure if he really fits in with a wagner type pick, or street for that matter if that is indeed the case.

dougdirt
06-17-2008, 02:45 PM
I didn't think Watson was a 2nd rounder? Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I thought he was a 3rd or 4th round guy. On the crackberry so its hard for me to check, going mostly of memory. In any case, I am not sure if he really fits in with a wagner type pick, or street for that matter if that is indeed the case.

Watson was a 2nd rounder.

cincyinco
06-17-2008, 03:35 PM
Thanks for lookin it up Doug. Watson would have been a better pick in a later round.

Caveat Emperor
06-17-2008, 03:53 PM
We obviously got a steal with Roenicke in the 10th round of the 2006 draft.

I wouldn't say he's been a "steal" -- he appears to have an upside of a power bullpen arm. That's useful, but its hardly appropriate to say that the Reds somehow got lucky because someone didn't think it was worth a high-round pick on a guy that isn't going to start games.

Furthermore, I don't get too excited about power bullpen arms who haven't shown the ability to retire major league hitters. Call me crazy, but I've seen too many Todd Coffeys, Brad Salmons, Ryan Wagners, etc. to start going crazy about a guy who is overpowering minor leaguers.