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lollipopcurve
06-16-2008, 09:14 AM
Doesn't list Zach Stewart or Efrain Contreras. May be an oversight, who knows...

Glad to see Soto there, as well as Means, Day and Sappelt. Junior Martinez is supposed to be a kid with big stuff.


2008 Mustangs Opening Day roster

Pitchers

Jamie Arneson, bats left/throws left, '06 draft (16th round); Leonardo Astorga, R/R, '04 free agent; Josh Beal, R/R, '07 draft (44); Oscar Castro, R/R, '05 free agent; Justin Freeman, R/R, '08 draft (32); Aguido Gonzalez, L/L, '07 free agent; Jordan Hotchkiss, R/R, '07 draft; Will Hudgens, R/R, '08 draft (23); Lance Janke, R/R, '08 draft (14); Randall Linebaugh, R/R, '08 draft (37); Junior Martinez, R/R, '05 free agent; Steve Otterness, L/L, '07 draft (29); Brandon Rice, R/R, '06 draft (11); Dan Zeffiro, R/R, '07 free agent.

Catchers
Kyle Day, L/R, '08 draft (12); Frank Meade, R/R, '07 draft (24); Jordan Wideman, R/R, '07 draft (11).

Infielders

Brett Bartles, R/R, '07 draft (30); Alex Buchholz, R/R, '08 draft (6); Jose Gualdron, R/R, '05 free agent; Michael Konstanty, R/R, '08 draft (39); Carlos Mendez, R/R, '05 free agent; Miguel Rojas, R/R, '05 free agent; Neftali Soto, R/R, '07 (3).

Outfielders

Tony Brown, L/L, '06 draft (23); Andrew Means, R/R, '08 draft (11); David Sappelt, R/R, '08 draft (9); Matt Stiffler, L/L, '08 draft (27); Tyler Stovall, R/R, '08 draft (20).

OnBaseMachine
06-16-2008, 11:10 AM
I'm interested in seeing how Junior Martinez does. Apparently Mario Soto likes his arm. Also nice to see Neftali Soto starting in Billings. I thought Stewart was a lock for Billings, maybe he's going to Dayton instead?

Homer Bailey
06-17-2008, 12:22 AM
Who are the keys to watch other than Soto and Martinez?

Blue
06-17-2008, 12:25 AM
Who are the keys to watch other than Soto and Martinez?

Sappelt, Buchholz, Means.

Mario-Rijo
06-17-2008, 12:30 AM
Sappelt, Buchholz, Means.

I'd also keep an eye on Day, Rice, Gauldron perhaps Widemann as well. Bartles also had a nice productive last season, but I don't really know his ceiling.

camisadelgolf
06-17-2008, 09:25 AM
Who are the keys to watch other than Soto and Martinez?

Aside from the 2008 draftees, I'll be keeping an eye on Neftali Soto, Brandon Rice, and Tony Brown. I'm intrigued by Carlos Mendez's ability to make contact, too. If he can show some power, he might turn into a pretty good prospect.

camisadelgolf
06-17-2008, 09:33 AM
I'd also keep an eye on Day, Rice, Gauldron perhaps Widemann as well. Bartles also had a nice productive last season, but I don't really know his ceiling.

Good call on Jordan Wideman. He is supposedly a very good defensive catcher. He's very young, so it will be interesting to watch how his hitting progresses over the next few years.

RedlegJake
06-17-2008, 06:34 PM
I'll be watching everyone at Billings. I like seeing guys leap into consideration here or fall into non-prospect status. It's fun seeing lots of these guys get there first pro look, and others there first step onto the 'real' ladder after the GCL and DSL. There are some real intriguing players this year. Sappelt's Jimmy Wynn "Toy Cannon" power, Means speed, Buchholz' bat and how he handles SS, Wideman and Day behind the plate, Astorga and Martinez on the mound, any and all of the college guys from this draft year. Can't wait for play to start.

gedred69
06-17-2008, 07:00 PM
I'd also keep an eye on Day, Rice, Gauldron perhaps Widemann as well. Bartles also had a nice productive last season, but I don't really know his ceiling.

Bartles was kind of a big surprise last year, and if I'm not mistaken he started this season at Dayton, and struggled? Don't think he got much playing time if so, with Waring at 3rd as well.

Mario-Rijo
06-17-2008, 07:35 PM
Grande just said on the Telecast that Soto would be going to Billings to help out after he helps Cueto get straightened out a bit. :thumbup:

OnBaseMachine
06-17-2008, 07:42 PM
Grande just said on the Telecast that Soto would be going to Billings to help out after he helps Cueto get straightened out a bit. :thumbup:

Most likely to work with Junior Martinez. Fay reported back in spring training that Soto and the Reds were pretty high on Martinez.

icehole3
06-18-2008, 07:00 AM
Is it me or did Cueto look more settled yesterday, Soto needs to be in Cincy full time.

redsof72
06-18-2008, 05:05 PM
RE: Post #1: Zach Stewart will be going to Dayton.

OnBaseMachine
06-18-2008, 05:06 PM
RE: Post #1: Zach Stewart will be going to Dayton.

Awesome. That's great to hear.

OesterPoster
06-18-2008, 05:26 PM
Sweet. I'm going to the Dayton game on Sunday. I was selfishly hoping Miami would lose last week with the slight chance that Alonso might be in Dayton too, but oh well. :)

Blitz Dorsey
06-18-2008, 11:01 PM
I agree, that is great news about Stewart going to Dayton. Wasn't a big fan of the way the Krivsky regime handled prospects, usually starting them a level too low IMO. Stewart would be going to Billings with the old regime; I agree with the move to send him to Dayton. And if he pitches well, look out. We might have a fast-tracker. I just want to see for myself if his fastball is really in the 95-97 range as reported. If so, I might be buying snacks and beverages for everyone around me at Fifth-Third Field. ;-)

Blitz Dorsey
06-18-2008, 11:03 PM
This also tells me that Yonder Alonso will probably start at Sarasota, which is what many of us figured anyway on other threads.

gedred69
06-19-2008, 06:57 PM
This also tells me that Yonder Alonso will probably start at Sarasota, which is what many of us figured anyway on other threads.

If Alonzo didn't start out at least at Sarasota, I would feel like the Reds brass fed us a bunch of crap when they said he was the best hitting prospect in the draft.

Mario-Rijo
06-20-2008, 03:13 AM
This also tells me that Yonder Alonso will probably start at Sarasota, which is what many of us figured anyway on other threads.

Sarasota seems like the logical place for him to start. But for selfish reasons I would like to see him start out in Dayton, even if it's just for a month or so. It's really not going to hurt anything if he debuts there for a short while. But whatever they do it's fine with me as long as it's done right.

NarrowStairs
06-20-2008, 07:53 AM
I played on a team with Tyler Stovall. He was a catcher. Somehow, at Central Michigan, they converted him to an OF. A fast OF. Wtf?

TDHND
06-21-2008, 10:52 PM
i'm not really familiar with many names,but i'm trying to get used to em

camisadelgolf
06-24-2008, 11:16 AM
Just an update: In one-third of an inning over two outings, Junior 'Big Stuff Waiting on Soto's Help' Martinez has beaned a guy, thrown a wild pitch, and walked five for a WHIP of 15.00. Overall, though, Billings has been pretty dominant, and Neftali Soto is making the opposing pitchers look like batting practice. Tony Brown is off to a good start, too, and worth keeping an eye on.

redsmetz
06-24-2008, 11:56 AM
I played on a team with Tyler Stovall. He was a catcher. Somehow, at Central Michigan, they converted him to an OF. A fast OF.

Well, it is a known fact that you can run faster without all of the equipment on... :laugh:

RedlegJake
06-24-2008, 05:00 PM
I played on a team with Tyler Stovall. He was a catcher. Somehow, at Central Michigan, they converted him to an OF. A fast OF. Wtf?

Back in the day so did Dale Murphy who came up as a catcher, converted to a fleet footed outfielder often playing CF.

OnBaseMachine
06-30-2008, 11:31 AM
Left-handed pitcher Mace Thurman, a 19th-round pick from Baylor, joined the Mustangs today. Thurman was a teammate at Baylor with Mustangs reliever Randall Linebaugh.

http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2008/06/30/sports/local/60-mustangs.txt

OnBaseMachine
07-28-2008, 10:39 AM
NOTES: Outfielder Andrew Means and pitcher Will Hudgens each suited up for their final game with the Mustangs on Sunday. Means is returning to Indiana University where he will be a junior wide receiver, while Hudgens is heading back to the University of Memphis where he will be a senior quarterback. ... Mustangs reliever Mace Thurman threw two more scoreless innings on Sunday. Thurman has still not given up a run in 122/3 innings.

http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2008/07/28/sports/local/18-mustangs.txt

princeton
08-02-2008, 01:14 PM
Means is returning to Indiana University where he will be a junior wide receiver

.634 OPS at Billings?

Means doesn't really need to return. We know enough. There goes a #11 pick.

camisadelgolf
08-02-2008, 01:40 PM
.634 OPS at Billings?

Means doesn't really need to return. We know enough. There goes a #11 pick.

You're joking, right?

Just in case, let me compare Means to Alexis Oliveras, the Reds' #9 pick from 2007.


Year Age Tm Lg Lvl Aff G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS SB CS SB% SH SF IBB HBP GDP
+----+----+---+---+---+---+----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+----+----+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+----+---+----+---+---+---+---+---+
2007 18 RDS GCL Rk CIN 47 162 14 31 4 3 0 13 10 45 .191 .240 .253 .493 1 0 100% 2 2 0 1 2
2008 19 RDS GCL Rk CIN 20 77 17 27 4 2 1 11 10 19 .351 .427 .494 .921 2 4 33% 0 1 0 1 1
+----+----+---+---+---+---+----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+----+----+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+----+---+----+---+---+---+---+---+
2 Seasons Rk 67 239 31 58 8 5 1 24 20 64 .243 .303 .331 .634 3 4 43% 2 3 0 2 3
+-----------------+---+--------+-----+----+----+---+---+---+----+----+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+----+---+----+---+---+---+---+---+
2 Seasons 67 239 31 58 8 5 1 24 20 64 .243 .303 .331 .634 3 4 43% 2 3 0 2 3


Oliveras had a pathetic debut over a larger sample size, and he's managed to go from what looked like a waste of a number nine pick to a solid prospect.

OnBaseMachine
08-02-2008, 02:11 PM
You're joking, right?

Just in case, let me compare Means to Alexis Oliveras, the Reds' #9 pick from 2007.


Year Age Tm Lg Lvl Aff G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS SB CS SB% SH SF IBB HBP GDP
+----+----+---+---+---+---+----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+----+----+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+----+---+----+---+---+---+---+---+
2007 18 RDS GCL Rk CIN 47 162 14 31 4 3 0 13 10 45 .191 .240 .253 .493 1 0 100% 2 2 0 1 2
2008 19 RDS GCL Rk CIN 20 77 17 27 4 2 1 11 10 19 .351 .427 .494 .921 2 4 33% 0 1 0 1 1
+----+----+---+---+---+---+----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+----+----+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+----+---+----+---+---+---+---+---+
2 Seasons Rk 67 239 31 58 8 5 1 24 20 64 .243 .303 .331 .634 3 4 43% 2 3 0 2 3
+-----------------+---+--------+-----+----+----+---+---+---+----+----+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+----+---+----+---+---+---+---+---+
2 Seasons 67 239 31 58 8 5 1 24 20 64 .243 .303 .331 .634 3 4 43% 2 3 0 2 3


Oliveras had a pathetic debut over a larger sample size, and he's managed to go from what looked like a waste of a number nine pick to a solid prospect.

To be fair, Oliveras was drafted out of High School whereas Means is a college guy.

camisadelgolf
08-02-2008, 03:36 PM
To be fair, Oliveras was drafted out of High School whereas Means is a college guy.

That's a valid point, but I wouldn't say that makes it fair, given the sample size.

redsmetz
08-02-2008, 04:38 PM
NOTES: Outfielder Andrew Means and pitcher Will Hudgens each suited up for their final game with the Mustangs on Sunday. Means is returning to Indiana University where he will be a junior wide receiver, while Hudgens is heading back to the University of Memphis where he will be a senior quarterback. ... Mustangs reliever Mace Thurman threw two more scoreless innings on Sunday. Thurman has still not given up a run in 122/3 innings.

http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2008/07/28/sports/local/18-mustangs.txt

These were expected moves, weren't they? Or had we thought these guys were going baseball only? IIRC, I thought it was known that Means was going to play football this season.

camisadelgolf
08-03-2008, 08:00 AM
These were expected moves, weren't they? Or had we thought these guys were going baseball only? IIRC, I thought it was known that Means was going to play football this season.

You're right. I can't find a link, but I heard that, too.

princeton
08-03-2008, 08:34 AM
You're joking, right?.

nope.

I'm sure that he'll come back next year, and will be out of the system in a year or two.