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Kingspoint
06-22-2008, 05:54 PM
He's got the Left-handed hitting Dunn available against the Right-hander Rivera with the team down 3 runs, and instead he let's Mr. Automatic Out, Corey Patterson bat. I'd rather have Ross hitting after Dunn then Dunn hitting after Patterson.

JayBruce4HOF
06-22-2008, 05:59 PM
HEY he hit a home-run yesterday. That's earned him at least another month of manlove from Toothpick.

_Sir_Charles_
06-22-2008, 06:06 PM
No, I disagree. Playing Patterson today was the right move. Totally the right move. Patterson has great numbers against Pettite. He even played him in the right spot in the lineup (for a nice change of pace). Cueto's a flyball pitcher and we needed the speed in the OF. Hopper/Bruce/Patterson gave us that. Also, be honest, who's swinging the worse bat here? Dunn or Patterson? That's a tough call. And don't quote me OBP crap for Dunn either. When Dunn is going good, he's fantastic. But that's also when he's racking up his walks too. When his bat/approach go into the crapper...he not getting walks either. He's just doing what he did today...passive approach and watches pitches sail past. If you want to call that patient, fine. I call it not being aggressive. Rivera's going to throw strikes. Period. You've got to take your bat off your shoulder.

So, who was more productive in the ninth? Patterson or Dunn? An 'elite' hitter? Not by a longshot.

He got it!
06-22-2008, 06:25 PM
When the onslaught of injuries for Reds infielders stops - Dusty's manlove for Patterson will stop.....

Or when Hopper stops going 0-5 ;)

demas863
06-22-2008, 06:26 PM
Dusty's ego is preventing him from cutting bait with Patterson. He sold the Reds on Corey and his three million and will keep trying to prove it was the correct move until Walt steps in (which I hope is soon). Remember how Dusty boasted how he could get good ballplayers to come to the Reds because they'll want to play for him. I'm still waiting. It's amazing to see a guy with such wasted speed because of a goofy, one-handed karate swing, and he simply won't adjust or at least try to adjust.

captainmorgan07
06-22-2008, 06:30 PM
Yes Patterson is terrible at the plate right about now. He is the best defensive outfielder next to Bruce that we have on the roster. He covers major ground in centerfield. He may not have the greatest arm but it's decent. Cueto gives up alot of fly balls so why not have on of your best defensive outfielders out there today.

Hondo
06-22-2008, 06:36 PM
I am kinda glad Phillips was released... Atleast Walt is going with guys that will have a future in Cincinnati, and not just sending him down to AAA to waste a roster spot...

I feel bad for Andy, but I am Happy the Reds are going with talent... I don't think Patterson is too far behind... I just hope they don't read into his 6 Homers... This .190 batting average has got to stop...

Oh, I am also wondering why Kepp wasn't Lead off with Bruce batting second...

Or atleast Kepp Leading off with Hopper hitting second if Dusty was wanting to have the sac bunt option open...

Kingspoint
06-23-2008, 02:44 AM
Sir Charles, I was fine with Patterson playing Defense today and batting in the 8th spot, and maybe it was even the right move using the LH-hitting Patterson instead of the RH-hitting Ross against the RH-throwing Reliever.

I'd rather have Hopper playing Center though and his lifetime .330 AVG and .360 OBP over Patterson. Hopper is at least an average Center Fielder Defensively. All of his defensive numbers point out that he's an above average Fielder at every position, Left, Center, and Right. We're really struggling to score runs, and I'd rather have Hopper getting on base. Hopper usually comes in as a Defensive replacement in the 7th or 8th anyway, so Patterson can come in instead while Hopper moves over to Right or Left, while Hopper ends up getting 4 AB's to Patterson's none, but Patterson plays defense for 2 or 3 innings.

bluesanta
06-23-2008, 05:35 PM
Say what you want about Patterson, but him beating out that throw and not getting doubled up, could have had a huge impact on the game, that is, if the big Donkey didn't do his usual routine.

Fullboat
06-23-2008, 06:59 PM
Hopper is not that great in the OF.Seriously if this team was built like this guy we would
be contenders

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Think about what it would do to our catching situation.We would have Ross's arm Bako's
defense and well....Javy's stache We would have Robo Catcher!:D

redsfan1966
06-23-2008, 10:49 PM
Corey Patterson is a flipping joke....there is no way he should be collecting a major league paycheck....there has to be more to this story than the general public knows...

bluesanta
06-25-2008, 03:09 AM
My god, he has one bad year, and he is a joke. I can't beleive the impatience of reds fans.

JayBruce4HOF
06-25-2008, 03:25 AM
My god, he has one bad year, and he is a joke. I can't beleive the impatience of reds fans.

:lol: :laugh: :lol: :laugh:

Please, please, PLEASE tell me you are joking....

HIS ENTIRE CAREER HAS BEEN A JOKE.

I really hope your post was a facetious one.

BurgervilleBuck
06-25-2008, 12:19 PM
:lol: :laugh: :lol: :laugh:

Please, please, PLEASE tell me you are joking....

HIS ENTIRE CAREER HAS BEEN A JOKE.

I really hope your post was a facetious one.
How has his entire career been a joke?

I like CP in the field and I like his speed but his bat is what kills him. Who is to say that a decent hitting coach is what this kid needs? Heck, a good hitting coach is what this team needs period?

fewfirstchoice
08-22-2008, 06:48 PM
keep letting Dusty play Patterson everyday. If I were Mr. Bobby C. and Walt I would tell Dusty to play all the young guys. Like a OF of Dickerson CF, Bruce RF, and Rosales(sp) Lf and let Patterson go.

redsfanmia
08-22-2008, 07:19 PM
Someone has to play and atleast Patterson can field the position. Does it really matter? If Corey keeps playing maybe the reds get a higher draft pick.

steig
08-22-2008, 08:33 PM
Dickerson isn't that young; he's older than players like Votto, Encarnacion, and Phillips. Patterson is only 29, he should be entering his prime playing time. So maybe there is hope that Patterson can get his average back over .200

RED VAN HOT
08-22-2008, 08:56 PM
We ought to have a poll for predicting a finish above the Mendoza line.

AccordinglyReds
08-22-2008, 09:40 PM
While I don't like Patterson playing over others, I don't understand why so many people are advocating and demanding that infielders be quickly moved into the LF spot, now that Dunn is gone. I guess it's easy to manage a team via posting on the internet..."yeah, just move Rosales/Edwin/Votto to LF and we'll be set....." :rolleyes:

FlyerFanatic
08-22-2008, 11:30 PM
i could care less who plays in the OF...even if their defense is way worse than pattersons. his bat is an absolute joke..i'll take sub par to mediocre fielding over pattersons bat. not only is he terrible at batting, we had to endure how long with him at the leadoff spot? i've said it once, i'll say it again, if patterson is on the team come opening day next year, i'm done with the reds.

Ghosts of 1990
08-23-2008, 12:11 PM
I think we can assume the man-love isn't going to stop. Its went on this long. We can only hope Patterson isn't brought back at a new contract at 30 years old. He is done. This season has confirmed it.

redsfan1966
08-23-2008, 12:26 PM
I demand and dare the Cincy beat writers to delve more into the reasons Patterson continues to "steal" major league money....there has to be a back story between Patterson and Baker that is being missed....

kpresidente
08-24-2008, 04:11 PM
Patterson is averaging a whopping 2.3 RC/27 this season. The median value for a qualifying outfielder is Matt Kemp @ 5.8. Adam Dunn was giving us 7.31.


What's my point? Patterson is further below the median than Dunn was above it BY ALMOST A FULL 2 RUNS!

In other words, playing Patterson does more damage to the offense than taking Adam Dunn out of it did!

FlyerFanatic
08-24-2008, 04:14 PM
Patterson is averaging a whopping 2.3 RC/27 this season. The median value for a qualifying outfielder is Matt Kemp @ 5.8. Adam Dunn was giving us 7.31.


What's my point? Patterson is further below the median than Dunn was above it BY ALMOST A FULL 2 RUNS!

In other words, playing Patterson does more damage to the offense than taking Adam Dunn out of it did!

hes got speed though...

Jones1
08-24-2008, 08:15 PM
putrid

kwyjibo
08-24-2008, 09:01 PM
Patterson is soooo bad that one time the Reds had an off day and he still went 0 for 4 :)

My fault, I thought this was like one of those 'Your momma is so fat...' threads.

FlyerFanatic
08-24-2008, 09:14 PM
Patterson is soooo bad that one time the Reds had an off day and he still went 0 for 4 :)

My fault, I thought this was like one of those 'Your momma is so fat...' threads.

might as well be...there should be a dedicated thread just making fun of how horrible patterson is :D

IowaRed
08-24-2008, 09:35 PM
He's as bad, if not worse, than his stats showed that he would be when the Reds brought him to ST. They pay him $3ML and have given him 270+ ABs, most of those at lead-off with a career .298 OBP. This year he's hovering around .230. To answer the question, he's horrible but the point is that he was horrible before this year but the Reds and their manager were stupid enough to play and pay him anyway-that's more aggregious than Patterson's performance.

steig
08-24-2008, 10:25 PM
I was shocked that he was able to hit in AAA. I thought he would have done so bad down there that he might have been asked to go back to A ball in Dayton.

Griffey012
08-24-2008, 10:39 PM
Not to mention whenever he does get on base he gets caught stealing everytime now

Jefferson24
08-24-2008, 11:25 PM
They should run the bat boy out there for Patterson, couldn't do any worse.

SanDiegoRed
08-24-2008, 11:31 PM
I have been a Reds fan for many, many years and can think of only one player I detested as much as Patterson. Gas can Danny Graves made my blood boil....

Jr's Boy
08-24-2008, 11:33 PM
Patterson threads are bordering on the Grande level on RZ.This team is going nowhere this year,Patterson has great skills in center field,and I'll leave it at that.

CesarGeronimo
08-24-2008, 11:37 PM
He's as bad, if not worse, than his stats showed that he would be when the Reds brought him to ST. They pay him $3ML and have given him 270+ ABs, most of those at lead-off with a career .298 OBP. This year he's hovering around .230. To answer the question, he's horrible but the point is that he was horrible before this year but the Reds and their manager were stupid enough to play and pay him anyway-that's more aggregious than Patterson's performance.

This is what's truly upsetting. Not that Patterson's so bad, but that the Reds didn't know it and their manager still doesn't know it.

jredmo2
08-25-2008, 02:31 AM
...

- Corey Patterson ranks last, 139th, in OPS at .571

- Paul Bako ranks 136th in OPS at .603

- Keppinger is 121st with a .658 OPS

- Bruce is 96th with a .732 OPS

-Phillips is 76th with .773 OPS

The only current Reds that rank in the top half of OPS among NL batters with 250+ PA are:

- Votto (51st): .813 OPS

- Encarnacion (52nd): .809 OPS

To reiterate, the Reds have seven current players with at least 250 PA appearances. Three of them (43% of qualified candidates) are below the 13th percentile in OPS. Our best batter is in the 64th percentile in OPS. Five of our seven candidates (71%) are in the 45th percentile or below.

If this was college admissions instead of baseball, I suspect the Reds would rank somewhere below ITT Tech.

ChatterRed
08-25-2008, 02:47 AM
The reason Patterson is so skinny is his fork/food only hits his mouth less than 20% of the time.

Chi-Town Red
08-25-2008, 08:41 AM
just one of the reasons i have lost interest in this team