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WVRed
06-23-2008, 08:38 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3457994


NEW YORK -- Just months after returning to the airwaves with a pledge to mend the wounds caused by his racist and sexist comment about a women's basketball team, Don Imus is again drawing fire for injecting race into his radio show.

During an on-air conversation Monday about the arrests of suspended Dallas Cowboys cornerback Adam Jones, Imus asked, "What color is he?"

Told by sports announcer Warner Wolf that Jones, who used to be nicknamed Pacman, is "African-American," Imus responded: "There you go. Now we know."

The exchange came six months after Imus' return to work on a new show on WABC-AM following his firing from MSNBC and CBS Radio for making a racially and sexually charged comment about the Rutgers University women's basketball team. When he returned to work, Imus gave a lengthy on-air apology and pledged to use his new show to foster an open dialogue on race relations.

Civil rights leader Al Sharpton, one of the chief critics who successfully pushed for Imus' firing from his televised radio show last April, criticized Imus' comments Monday.

"I find the inference of his remark disturbing because it plays into stereotypes," Sharpton said in a statement. "We will determine in the next day or so whether or not his remark warrants direct action on our part."

WABC and Citadel Broadcasting Corp. Vice President Phil Boyce said Imus would be explaining his comments on his Tuesday morning show and it was unlikely the broadcasters would take disciplinary action against him.

Boyce said Imus had explained his words in a private conversation Monday afternoon and the explanation was satisfactory.

"I think some people may be misunderstanding what he meant," said Boyce, who declined to go into further detail.

Through a spokesman, Imus declined to comment. Jones' attorney did not immediately respond to an e-mail.

Rutgers University women's basketball spokeswoman Stacey Brann said there was "no need to revisit the past" and wouldn't comment further.

On Monday's show, Imus and Wolf were discussing Jones' request Saturday that people stop using his nickname. Wolf explained Jones was suspended from the NFL following a shooting at a Las Vegas nightclub, and he added that Jones had been "arrested six times since being drafted by Tennessee in 2005."

Imus' next words were, "What color is he?"

The segment appears to have had a common theme with earlier segments. While talking about Tiger Woods winning the U.S. Open, Imus asked about the race of runner-up Rocco Mediate.

Dom Heffner
06-23-2008, 08:42 PM
There is stupid and then there is stupid.

MaineRed
06-24-2008, 12:13 AM
I laugh every time I see Rev. Al mentioned as nobody spends more of their own time interjecting race into their situations than him. He only cares about one race and he makes it more and more obvious as time goes by.

Unfortunately for the Imus police this little dust-up isn't going be enough to push him off the air again. I watch Imus every day and there are more offensive things said daily than this. It is so funny what some people try to do with race in this country.

GAC
06-24-2008, 08:54 AM
Sharpton needs Imus.

All I'm going to say because this topic is Peanut Gallery fodder. ;)

Matt700wlw
06-24-2008, 08:57 AM
Nice to see Al Sharpton found a way to make some more money off of somebody's "insensitivity" besides his own.

I've heard worse things said on the radio than that...

durl
06-24-2008, 09:05 AM
It seems to me "the-player-formerly-known-as-Pacman" has done plenty to reinforce the negative stereotype himself. How many arrests did he have between being drafted and his first game?

Seriously, I'm glad the guy is no longer with the Titans but I really hope he turns his life around.

princeton
06-24-2008, 09:06 AM
Imus is falling apart like my 95 year old grandmother.

I haven't heard the new show. I assume that he's lost all of his more interesting guests and is down to the Look-at-me-I'm-no-longer-relevants of the world?

Imus as Gavin McLeod?


(does Warner Wolf still say "let's go to the videotape" twice a minute even if he's on radio? I hope so)

PedroBourbon
06-24-2008, 09:25 AM
I'm surprized that this even got caught, I didn't think anyone listened to Imus anymore.;)

He needs to retire to the Cancer Ranch with Dierdre or however you spell it.

flyer85
06-24-2008, 09:52 AM
Newsflash: Imus has been offensive for 30 years ... it's just because of PC people now pay attention when he gores the wrong ox.

JayBruce4HOF
06-24-2008, 12:20 PM
Newsflash: Imus has been offensive for 30 years ... it's just because of PC people now pay attention when he gores the wrong ox.

Plus there's absolutely no humor whatsoever to what he says. Pretty difficult to pass yourself off as a satirist when you're not making any sort of joke. :lol:

Dom Heffner
06-24-2008, 01:32 PM
Yeah, Imus has always been a jerk so who cares what he says? Maybe I should become a jerk for twenty yewars so everybody gives me a pass.

Pretty pathetic, people.

Caveat Emperor
06-24-2008, 01:41 PM
Yeah, Imus has always been a jerk so who cares what he says? Maybe I should become a jerk for twenty yewars so everybody gives me a pass.

I don't know that it's really giving him a pass -- last I checked there wasn't a 1.5th Amendment that stated: "You have the right not to be offended by anyone."

Joseph
06-24-2008, 02:55 PM
He's got a history, but I also think there is plausible deniability in this one. He claims he was making a social commentary on blacks being targeted for arrest. Listening to it, I don't think you can say for certain its not possible.

That said, who cares? Imus is well past his sell by date.

WVRed
06-24-2008, 04:51 PM
Give me Howard Stern and O&A any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

TC81190
06-24-2008, 05:43 PM
He's got a history, but I also think there is plausible deniability in this one. He claims he was making a social commentary on blacks being targeted for arrest. Listening to it, I don't think you can say for certain its not possible.

That said, who cares? Imus is well past his sell by date.
This is about exactly how I feel about this.

IMO, non-news.

paintmered
06-24-2008, 05:57 PM
This is about exactly how I feel about this.

IMO, non-news.

I'd think it'd be news-worthy if Imus was relevant.

MaineRed
06-24-2008, 10:43 PM
Imus is falling apart like my 95 year old grandmother.

I haven't heard the new show. I assume that he's lost all of his more interesting guests and is down to the Look-at-me-I'm-no-longer-relevants of the world?

Imus as Gavin McLeod?


(does Warner Wolf still say "let's go to the videotape" twice a minute even if he's on radio? I hope so)

You can confidently say that Imus is falling apart but you haven't listened to his new show?

Far as I can tell Imus has lost very few of his guest, interesting or not. I find the show very humorous, interesting and informative.

Hefner, you should look into what the 30 year jerk does with his free time. I can all but guarantee he does a heck of a lot more for humanity than you do. He spends his days helping sick kids with cancer. You spend your days commenting on every issue under the sun on the non baseball side of a baseball message board? And he is the "jerk"?

http://www.americanprofile.com/article/4870.html

MaineRed
06-24-2008, 10:49 PM
I'd think it'd be news-worthy if Imus was relevant.

If Imus isn't "relevant" why does he get such distinguished guest and why does he keep making news? And why did WABC in New York City can a very successful show to get him back on the air?

Why don't you just be honest and say you can't stand the guy and move on instead of dancing around it and claiming he isn't "relevant"?

What is the definition of "relevant"? Simply something YOU care about? You guys sound like morons when you claim that nobody listens to Imus. He has tons of listeners and viewers. When he brings an author on his show, book sales go through the roof. When he wants to raise money for something he doesn't have much problem.

It is easy to see how such no issues become news. Too many people in front of their computers with nothing else to do but rail against people they know nothing about, but don't like.

JayBruce4HOF
06-25-2008, 01:19 AM
What do you think about your hero's backpedaling excuse/mea culpa, MaineRed? :lol:

TC81190
06-25-2008, 01:54 AM
I'd think it'd be news-worthy if Imus was relevant.
Oh, definitely.

Unfortunately for him, I don't think he fits that bill.

MaineRed
06-25-2008, 07:31 AM
What do you think about your hero's backpedaling excuse/mea culpa, MaineRed? :lol:

Yeah, he really backpedaled :rolleyes:. I think the same thing I thought before he addressed the issue, non story.

Imus has lost 3 very close friends of his show in the last couple of weeks, George Carlin, Tim Russert and Hamilton Jordan (not bad for someone who isn't relevant, eh?).

Maybe if Jay Bruce, Adam Dunn and Dusty Baker were his weekly guest he'd be like the Reds and be considered relevant by the entire universe.

Does anyone else see the irony in fans of the Reds, a team that can't get out of the cellar, a team that has trouble drawing fans, calling one of the most influential members of the media, irrelevant?

I can promise you that more people listen to Imus, than watch the Reds. Put that into your relevancy calculator.

JayBruce4HOF
06-25-2008, 04:41 PM
Yeah, he really did backpedal. :lol:

"I made the comment I did because I was pointing out how he was being targeted because he was black."

You honestly believe that? :laugh: Seriously? The I-Man was just pointing out the hypocrisy of the police who target black people? He wasn't saying "OH OF COURSE HE WAS BLACK" because OF COURSE EVERY PERSON WHO GETS IN TROUBLE WITH THE POLICE IS BLACK.

Laughable. Anyone besides a huge Imus apologist can see his transparent excuse/backpedal for exactly what it is. The man is a racist. He's losing his marbles at an alarmingly fast rate and is losing the ability to censor himself from making racist comments.

And stop with the strawmen concerning the ...... REDS?!?! You're not helping your argument, it's just bizarre.

MaineRed
06-25-2008, 09:47 PM
Imus has two black people on his show, daily and he has a black producer, a black producer who quit MSNBC to come work with Imus on his new show. This AFTER the Rutgers remark. Obviously these 3 people don't see it your way. Neither do I.

When Imus says anything questionable, Tony Powell and Karith Foster are all over him, even if it has nothing to do with race. They said NOTHING when he made the comment. Not a lick. They knew EXACTLY what he meant. So did Warner Wolfe. There was no question in their mind. None. Imus has been using the , "now we know" line forever. Just as he and others on the show had been mimicking rappers, before the Rutgers fiasco.

You simply have no clue what you are talking about. It really is that easy. Imus is not a racist. He and plenty of other people have made comments that were on the racial side. None of them have come from his heart. You and a lot of other folks in this country need to learn the difference. You all want to jump on people the first chance you get. "RACIST!". Do you even know the definition of the word? It isn't someone who sits around and mimicks rappers or makes sarcastic comments. There are so many of you who don't know the difference between a comedian and a racist. Is Dave Chappelle a racist? Is Dick Gregory, Chris Rock or most any other black comedian? Chris Rock can't speak one sentence without making some disparaging remark about white people.

A racist is someone who hires a less qualified white guy to produce his show. A racist is someone who goes out of his way to treat black people differently. Imus and the people on his show make fun of people. His radio producer who is a devout Catholic used to do a bit where he pretended to be Cardinal O'Connor. And Imus makes as much fun of himself as anyone on earth.

As for the Reds comparison I think it is dead on. More people watch and listen to Imus than watch the Reds. If Imus is irrelevant ...............

JayBruce4HOF
06-25-2008, 10:26 PM
I wonder why he hired those black people to come work on his show? :lol: You've REALLY got to read between the lines to figure that one out.

Imus isn't a racist? You should talk to the black secretary who worked under Imus at WNBC whom he called a n-word ALL THE TIME.

Howard Stern and Robin talk about Imus using the N-word ALL THE TIME during the time they worked together at WNBC. You think Imus would let Stern say that without suing him if it wasn't true?

Imus is a huge racist, and he's becoming mentally unglued and just isn't able to hold himself back like he used to in years past. The guy sounds like death warmed over at this point.

You're comparing a sports team on a decade-long losing streak to a racist talk show host... I don't see any valid or useful comparison between the two.

Here's the thing you're missing... it's fine to make JOKES about race, but there needs to be an ACTUAL JOKE in there somewhere. Calling a bunch of women bball players "Nappy Headed Ho's" isn't a joke. There is no punchline. Knowingly saying, "Of course" someone is black when they get arrested isn't a joke, it's a racist statement.

I'm all for free speech, by the way. Say whatever you want, as far as I'm concerned. It's just blatantly obvious that Imus is a racist jerk... and probably in the early to mid stages of dementia.

MaineRed
06-25-2008, 10:47 PM
This guy (Carl Jeffers) was on with Imus this morning:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2008/01/31/2003466848.jpg

Here is what he had to say about Imus and this latest incident:

"Since Don Imus returned to the airwaves, no one in America has been more consistently involved in having conversations about race, in an in depth way than Don Imus."

Carl Jeffers thinks Imus is good for race relations. In fact, he doesn't think anyone out there with any sort of audience is any better. Nobody. Sure is a different opinion than some of what I am reading here. Gee, I wonder which one is right and which one is wrong.

MaineRed
06-25-2008, 11:06 PM
If you were a regular Imus listener you would know that comment that got him fired was a satire on rappers. He just chose a poor way to use it that morning when he was talking about the Rutgers women.

Jay, maybe you are the one who is racist. You are the one who AUTOMATICALLY assumed Imus was saying what you claim he was saying when that is NOT what he was saying at all. It is YOU and not Imus who is making the inference that anyone who gets arrested is likely black. You and a lot of other people. Imus' point was the exact opposite of that and it is one he has been making for YEARS. Imus beats to a different drum than most of us and if you aren't a regular to his show you aren't going to get him or his humor. He is an acquired taste. And he is a good guy. I don't care about what happened back when Stern worked with him. Imus has said stuff about Stern before and Howard has made threats but no lawsuits ever came from his side either. They are two radio power brokers and they don't like each other. Imus doesn't need to sue Stern anymore than Stern needs to sue Imus. Both have millions coming out their ears. Imus used to come to work both drunk and high on crack in those days as well so we aren't even talking about the same person.

"I wonder why he hired those black people to come work on his show? You've REALLY got to read between the lines to figure that one out."

The black producer worked with him at MSNBC BEFORE he got fired and then quit MSNBC when Imus came back on the air.

You don't have to look between any lines to see why he has two black co host. It is quite simple really. He elected to bring the discussion of race onto his show and it is kind of hard to do that with just white people. He didn't need to hire black people. He isn't looking to appease anyone. If he was why would he go and make what on the surface looks WORSE than the Rutgers comment? Seriously, why would someone who hires people to appease the masses go out of his way to upset those same people?

"Imus is a huge racist, and he's becoming mentally unglued and just isn't able to hold himself back like he used to in years past. The guy sounds like death warmed over at this point."

It is now even more obvious that you don't listen to Imus, at all which explains why you keep making comments from out of left field. The Imus show is much tamer than it ever used to be and as Carl Jeffers (very well respected member of the media) pointed out, NOBODY is doing more to foster an IN DEPTH discussion on race, than Imus. Again, it is the exact opposite of what you are saying.

Carl Jeffers or a guy on a message board? Who would you side with?

JayBruce4HOF
06-25-2008, 11:19 PM
Don Imus insists he’s a good person. Howard Stern says he’s dead wrong.

Imus made insensitive racial comments on the air last week in which he referred to an all-female black basketball team as “nappy-headed hos.”

Meanwhile, former co-worker Howard Stern said on his Sirius satellite radio show Monday morning, “This might be the first interesting thing he’s said.”

Stern has longed claimed Imus’ racist tendencies, going back 25 years when they worked together at WNBC.

Along with co-host Robin Quivers, Stern reminisced about the days when Imus freely spouted racist spiels, addressing African-American co-workers using the word “******” during the 1980s.

But Stern said not to expect any action against Imus.

“In terms of the things Imus says, this really isn’t that bad,” Stern told his audience. “Imus will survive this.”

Dave McGurgan can be reached by e-mail at dmcgurgan@phillyburbs.com.


http://blogs.phillyburbs.com/blog.php?p=12332&cat=14


Imus' Racial Slurs Discussed. 04/09/07. 7:30am
Howard said that last week it came out that Imus is racist again. He said he used to work with Imus at NBC and he saw him go up to this black woman who worked there and called her the N-word. He said that this woman, Brenda, was a lovely woman and very nice. She wasn't even allowed to talk to Imus.

Howard said Imus is 100 years old and has no ratings on his show but they call it ''the wildly popular Imus show'' in the paper. He said it's not wildly popular, it doesn't get any ratings. He went on to say that Imus called the Rutgers woman's basketball team a bunch of ''nappy headed hos'' or something like that. He said that's actually nothing compared to what he said behind the scenes at WNBC when they were there. They should have fired him at NBC when he called Brenda the N-word but that never happened.

Howard said he just saw that Opie and Anthony had a 0.0 rating when they went out to Las Vegas. He said that's almost impossible to do on the radio and he was only pointing it out because of how hard it is to get such a low rating. That led to Artie quoting a scene from ''Animal House'' where Blutarski's grade point average was a 0.0. Artie said that's like there's not one person listening out there. They goofed on them for a short time about that.

Howard said that any other radio personality would be fired for making racist comments like Imus did. They spent a short time talking about that whole thing and how Imus is going to go apologize to black people on Al Sharpton's radio show. Howard said it just shows you how media companies are desperate for ratings and won't even fire this guy after making those comments. MSNBC is saying they didn't know what happened there and it was the radio station that did it and they had no control over it. Howard said it's on their air though so they are responsible.

Howard got back to the Opie and Anthony thing and had Tim Sabean come in to talk about how low their ratings are. Tim said that they had another 0.0 in Chicago as well. Howard said he doesn't want to put them down because they're in a tough position. No one was sure what that tough position was though. Howard said that it just shows that Viacom is stuck and trying to do anything they can to replace him.

Howard said that he will never be on the air when he's Imus' age. He played the audio from his show where Imus called the girls from Rutgers ''some nappy headed hos.'' Howard said Imus probably would have been fine with that but then one of his other guys got on and quoted a line from one of Spike Lee's movies. They threw out a couple more racial slurs and that's probably what drove them over the edge. Howard said that if he ever gets to that age that Imus is at and he's still on the radio, he's going to dress up like a fireman or something. He said that Imus dresses up like a cowboy so it's like he's dressing up in costume. He said that would be like him dressing up like a knight or something like that.

Artie said that Imus' show was unfunny even when he was trying to be funny. They were trying to do funny stuff but it just doesn't work. Howard had the apology that Imus made on his show. Fred was doing his impression of Imus before Howard even played the clip. Fred had it down pretty well. Howard played the clip where Imus says that he's apologizing for what they said and quickly moved right on to other things.

http://www.marksfriggin.com/news07/4-9.htm#mon

Please, however, keep spinning. Oh, the Mel Gibson defense now? He was messed up on drugs, so that excuses him calling a co-worker the n-word. Keep spinning. Honestly, you're better at spinning Imus' racist garbage than Imus is himself. :laugh:

MaineRed
06-25-2008, 11:36 PM
I didn't excuse anything. I said we aren't talking about the same person. Imus used to do a lot of stuff he isn't proud of and that is why he changed. Not sure why folks from your segment of the population want people who go into the gutter to just remain there. Coming out and fixing the wrongs they make isn't good enough for people like you. You've made that obvious the way you dismiss his new cast members or his point of including race discussions on his show.

You and Howard are talking about stuff that happened a long, long time. Not yesterday.

When was the last time Howard Stern interviewed someone running for president? It is 6th grade material to keep saying Imus doesn't "say anything interesting". George Carlin's wife called Imus yesterday on his cell phone and left him a message to tell him that George loved him. Nobody like George Carlin is going to call Howard Stern's wife after he dies. Tim Russert and Imus were friends. Numerous US senators are friendly with Imus. I could go on and on and on. You can't do that with Stern. Yet it is Stern fanatics who claim Imus isn't interesting or irrelevant or start screaming that he is a racist because of something he said 25 years ago.

It really boggles my mind how people who listen to Howard Stern interviewing crack *****s are the moral police when it comes to Imus.

You know what Imus says about Stern? Imus says Stern is jealous of him because he made more money than Howard when they worked together and that Imus used to bring in higher paying advertisers. Far as I recall Stern never sued Imus for slander on that one.

VR
06-26-2008, 12:11 AM
Imus is falling apart like my 95 year old grandmother.



although she looks 20 years younger?

Imus has a great face for radio.

Redsfaithful
06-26-2008, 12:56 AM
You can confidently say that Imus is falling apart but you haven't listened to his new show?

Far as I can tell Imus has lost very few of his guest, interesting or not. I find the show very humorous, interesting and informative.

Hefner, you should look into what the 30 year jerk does with his free time. I can all but guarantee he does a heck of a lot more for humanity than you do. He spends his days helping sick kids with cancer. You spend your days commenting on every issue under the sun on the non baseball side of a baseball message board? And he is the "jerk"?

http://www.americanprofile.com/article/4870.html

lol I can't believe a reject like Don Imus has fanboys.

MaineRed
06-26-2008, 07:31 AM
Dude, you spend your free time blogging about one of the worst sports franchises of the last 15 years. And you call one of the most influential people in the media, a reject?

It is called perspective. Find some.

By the way, when is Imus going to be fired for his latest racial outburst? Based on his statements that anyone with a brain can see through, his dismissal must be imminent.

LMAO.

Matter of fact if Imus gets fired in the next week, I will never post on this board again.

Ltlabner
06-26-2008, 08:25 AM
He has tens of listeners and viewers.

Got that all fixed up for you.

MaineRed
06-26-2008, 12:01 PM
Thanks. Another guy who can't pull himself off redszone who is an expert on pop culture.

EddieMilner
06-26-2008, 03:19 PM
George Carlin's wife called Imus yesterday on his cell phone and left him a message to tell him that George loved him. Nobody like George Carlin is going to call Howard Stern's wife after he dies.

I was just catching up on this thread. On Monday, Howard Stern played a phone message that George Carlin had recently left for Howard thanking him for the nice comments he made on Carlin's appearance on Bill Maher's show. Obviously George thought enough of Howard's opinion to personally call him and thank him for praise.

Redsfaithful
06-26-2008, 10:37 PM
one of the most influential people in the media

You are completely divorced from reality.

Dom Heffner
06-27-2008, 10:55 AM
Imus' statement the other day was racist.

I don't care how many black people he knows, has kissed, has dealt with, has working for him, how many troubled kids he has helped out, or if Jesse Jackson is an idiot or if the statement "the Rev. Al Sharpton" is an oxymoron.

He was insinuating something and then he tried to cover up for it by saying he was coming to the man's rescue.

The original statement was bad enough, the explanation even more insulting.

And he'll get away with it from here to eternity because his bozo listening audience will keep excusing it. In fact, they like that sort of thing (they must or they wouldn't keep listening). As long as there are listeners, there will be advertising dollars.

Does it make Imus a racist to say such things? I don't really care. I'm not interested in the inner workings of a man who thinks it's funny to make a joke involving Venus and Serena Williiams and National Geographic magazine.

That sort of humor is only funny to those on the outside looking in.

Maybe I'll start a radio program and start making fun of children suffering from cancer or serious blood disorders, and children who've lost brothers and sisters to Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS) like he helps out on his ranch.

Wouldn't that be funny? And then you all can come on here and have a good laugh and defend me for it and I'll make millions of dollars by making fun of their plight.

I know, that's not funny, Dom, those kids can't help it.

And people can't help the color of their skin either.

MaineRed
06-27-2008, 04:04 PM
Dom, if you are right, why hasn't Imus been fired? Because his listeners defend him? His listeners defended him with the whole Rutgers thing, yet he still got fired. That means your whole, his listeners excuse it, remark, doesn't hold ANY water. It doesn't matter what his listeners say. It isn't up to us. That should be obvious. He isn't still on the air because I am defending him. He is still on the air because what he said is NOTHING to get worked up about. Period.

The reason this listener is excusing his latest comment is because I know he didn't mean a damn thing by it. You would know that too if you actually listened to his show instead of just blurbs the media throws at you. Imus would NEVER say what you all think he said after what happened to him. And his two black co-host would not let him get away with it. As I already explained, they said nothing. Imus has been using that joke, about people only being arrested because they are black, forever. It wasn't anything new and it isn't racist. It is joke. Just like it is a joke to say white people can't jump or can't dance. But you bleeding hearts probably consider that hate speech.

If Imus were the racist you all make him out to be he would not have hired two black people to work on his show. Anyone who thinks he is trying to appease someone has no clue about Don Imus the person. None. The last thing Imus cares about is what anyone else thinks. He went out and hired Tony and Karith to try to make things better, not worse. And that, as Carl Jeffers has explained, is exactly what he is doing.

MaineRed
06-27-2008, 04:11 PM
You are completely divorced from reality.

Imus was named as one of the Most Influential PEOPLE in America in the late 90s by Time Magazine and I don't see how he could be considered any less influential now than he was then. You can't find any daily show with as impressive of a guest list. What more evidence does there need to be?

EddieMilner
06-27-2008, 04:58 PM
Imus was named as one of the Most Influential PEOPLE in America in the late 90s by Time Magazine and I don't see how he could be considered any less influential now than he was then. You can't find any daily show with as impressive of a guest list. What more evidence does there need to be?

Don't they show his show on RFDTV? If you polled 200 people, you would be lucky to find 2 people that have any clue what the channel is and if its on their local cable service.

In the late 90s he had actual ratings. Today Imus has 0 ratings. When people aren't listening to you, you are less influential. He could have Jesus himself on his show every morning, but if no one is listening then its still pretty irrelevant.

Fon Duc Tow
06-27-2008, 05:07 PM
What is the name of that white guy on comedy central, where his whole act is all about making fun of other races?



;)



To make a comment on the time-line of race relations in western society, it is interesting that at this particular time in American history, a white person is not allowed to say anything negative about a black person, or, at the very least, they will have to explain to the world why what they just said is not racist. Sort of a guilty until proven innocent deal.

White Men Can't Jump
Black Men Can't Read
Asian Men Can't Drive

Which of the 3 statements is racist?

Now which one was a blockbuster movie?

Can you imagine "Black Men Can't Read" about 2 friends that hustle the local quiz show, and the black guy who also happens to have his PhD in English Lit is the ringer, and everyone in town always falls for the scam, because after all... (insert movie title)

Or

"Asian Men Can't Drive" about an Asian guy who can drive really well, and so him and his white buddy sucker the locals to bet against the asian guy winning the big car race. Because after all... (insert movie title here)


Its a pretty big double standard, and I think it is hilarious to watch certain white dudes squirm because of it. Imus in the Yawning being one of them.

Gonna have to agree with MaineRed here, even though Imus is kind of a joke to me. The way people call out "racist" these days reminds me of how they used to accuse everyone of being a commie in the 50s, or a witch in the 1800's, etc etc etc.

Countless examples throughout history of society as a whole over compensating for past wrongdoings.

Interesting to me...

Dom Heffner
06-27-2008, 05:30 PM
Imus has been using that joke, about people only being arrested because they are black, forever.

Given your argument, then what does this quote mean to you?

"Here's what I've learned: that you can't make fun of everybody, because some people don't deserve it. Because the climate on this program has been the way it's been for 30 years, that doesn't mean it has to be that way for the next five years. That's got to change...I'm sorry I did that. I'm embarassed that I did that. I am a good person. I did a bad thing. And that will change."

Those are Don Imus' words, not mine. And he hasn't learned a freaking thing.

Dom Heffner
06-27-2008, 05:41 PM
White Men Can't Jump
Black Men Can't Read
Asian Men Can't Drive

Which of the 3 statements is racist?


I'll give you a few of Imus' show's other examples, and you tell me if they are on the same line as "White Men Can't Jump."

Calling Gwen Ifill a "cleaning lady" when she went to cover the White House for the New York Times.

Saying producer Bernard McGuirk was hired to do "n*gger jokes" when interviewed by 60 Minutes.

Repeated references to black athletes as animals and simians.

Calling Washington Post media critic Howard Kurtz a "boner-nosed Jewboy."

Called Patrick Ewing "the missing link."

Called Shaquille O'Neal "a car-jacker in shorts.

Called the Knicks "chest-bumping pimps."

Calling Palestinians stinking animals and repeated references to "ragheads."

Now, if you want to make your little comparison about White Men Can't Jump (which was made by white people, probably, not black people) and compare it to the above, be my guest.

But see, you aren't interested in doing that, because you want to excuse Imus' behavior by saying, "Other people do it, too," and then the examples you give are not even in the same league as what Imus has said.

And MaineRed- by defending him, I don't mean speaking out, necessarily. I mean that you'll still listen. You support him. And that's why he'll always have a job, because there's a market out there with people like you, who excuse the humor and call anybody who gets upset about it "bleeding hearts."

I mean, "nappy headed ho's"? Is that funny to you? Seriously, if that's funny to you, state so right here. Those are somebody's kids who didn't deserve that.

MaineRed
06-27-2008, 06:21 PM
Those Rutgers girls didn't deserve it. Of course not. But I also know that African American women, make that women in general don't deserve the billing they get from rappers. And that was what Imus was trying to portray and it was where he got those terms. He was trying to be funny. He and the others on his show had always used language like that while doing satire but it was never really directed at anyone. Imus started that whole thing by saying that Rutgers had some rough looking women. Is that racist? That was his initial though about the Rutgers women. His producer then said, "those are some hard core hos." Imus laughed and then uttered the phrase that got him fired. It wasn't racially motivated. It simply came from his initial feelings about what he saw when he watched the game and from his producer going into the rap routine.

And lets be honest, if you really cared about the Rutgers women you should be wishing that jokes like Al Sharpton had just kept his pie hole shut instead of making a national story out of it. Had people just let it slide, you know, since we live in America, those Rutgers women wouldn't even know it happened and their feelings would never have been hurt in the first place. You take Imus too seriously, you have a major problem.


Calling Washington Post media critic Howard Kurtz a "boner-nosed Jewboy."

Called Patrick Ewing "the missing link."

Called Shaquille O'Neal "a car-jacker in shorts.

Called the Knicks "chest-bumping pimps."

How is calling Shaq a car jacker, racist? Doesn't that one require YOU to make the racial inference? Plenty of white people steal cars btw.

How is calling the Knicks, who were a bunch of knuckleheads in those days, pimps, racist? What would one have to call a pro hockey team to make an equally insensitive slur.

Howard Kurtz has gotten over whatever Imus said about him as he is a regular guest on the show, why can't you?

MaineRed
06-27-2008, 06:28 PM
Given your argument, then what does this quote mean to you?

"Here's what I've learned: that you can't make fun of everybody, because some people don't deserve it. Because the climate on this program has been the way it's been for 30 years, that doesn't mean it has to be that way for the next five years. That's got to change...I'm sorry I did that. I'm embarassed that I did that. I am a good person. I did a bad thing. And that will change."

Those are Don Imus' words, not mine. And he hasn't learned a freaking thing.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/02/7332_black_immigirants_the_invisible_model_minorit y_oh_and_imus.html


Damned if Imus hasn't been doing yeoman's work in moving America's neurotic race obsession forward. I've been talking and writing about race for 12 years now, but I was gobsmacked on the air. Imus schooled a sister. When he said he was through apologizing for Rutgers, I took that to mean he was through talking about it. But he's certainly not through thinking about it, and he's been doing his homework.


Print interviews with 'liberal' black journalists (they're really quite conservative; you must be black in exactly the way they demand) are the worst. They already 'know' I'm a Tom and talking to me serves two purposes, none of them reportorial: it proves they're 'objective' even though nothing I say or write ever makes a difference and it gives them fodder to dine out on with the other 'real' black people. "You wouldn't believe how self-hating she is." They call me names but they don't engage in actual debate. Kneejerk doesn't begin to cover it. Don seems to have done the impossible and moved beyond that.

Of course, it must be said that Imus sandbagged me.

I was, let's say, surprised' by the invitation and mulled it over for a week. When I thought I could be professional and said yes, it was supposed to be about the election and it was supposed to be short. It was neither; homey went straight to Black History month, everything I'd ever written about race, everything in the black canon about race and—unbelievably—Rutgers. See how The Man is always setting us up?

Two kids, two books, two cities, and about 15 jobs ago, I wrote a Washington Post column that I can't now find, pleading for someone in public life to admit to sexism or racism or immorality so that the rest of us could. Two of my examples where Justice Thomas admitting to having been a pig towards Anita Hill and Rev. Sharpton admitting that he'd been wrong about Tawana Brawley and paying what he owed to the man whose life and career he'd ruined with his ultimately false accusations. Until someone in public life manned up in that way, we'd all just have to go on lying about our all too human failings, waiting in vain for an example of confession and atonement.

Until then, no one could be forgiven, publicly or privately, for our momentary -ism's and we all are guilty of something sometime. Never thought that person in public life would be Don Imus and damned if the whole forgiving thing isn't much, much harder than I could have possibly imagined. What is it they say about being careful what you ask for? Offended as I initially was to be asked, I'm glad I did the show. He made a mistake, he took responsibility, he asked for forgiveness. Done, Don.

Fon Duc Tow
06-27-2008, 06:52 PM
I'll give you a few of Imus' show's other examples, and you tell me if they are on the same line as "White Men Can't Jump."

:rolleyes:




Calling Gwen Ifill a "cleaning lady" when she went to cover the White House for the New York Times.

Saying producer Bernard McGuirk was hired to do "n*gger jokes" when interviewed by 60 Minutes.

Repeated references to black athletes as animals and simians.

Calling Washington Post media critic Howard Kurtz a "boner-nosed Jewboy."

Called Patrick Ewing "the missing link."

Called Shaquille O'Neal "a car-jacker in shorts.

Called the Knicks "chest-bumping pimps."

Calling Palestinians stinking animals and repeated references to "ragheads."

OK but isn't he a "shock jock?" Isn't he supposed to say things controversial? Isn't that kind of the idea behind that sort of thing? Like I said, I never liked the guy anymore than Stern. I find "shocking for the sake of being shocking" or "planned shocking" to be pretty boring. Imus and Stern are alike in many ways: The are both making piles of money, yet are both running on fumes from the standpoint of being anything close to relevant in a contemporary sense. Last time either of them flirted with being "edgy" or "groundbreaking" had to be early 90s. Maybe late 80s?

But they still try though. And its funny when the P.C. Mob turns on them.



Now, if you want to make your little comparison about White Men Can't Jump (which was made by white people, probably, not black people) and compare it to the above, be my guest.

No, the above seems to be your "little" comparison. I would submit that if you are comparing the two, you have completely missed the point.



But see, you aren't interested in doing that, because you want to excuse Imus' behavior by saying, "Other people do it, too," and then the examples you give are not even in the same league as what Imus has said.

I'm saying its a double standard. And it is. Jimmy the Greek and Dusty Baker both said the same ignorant remarks. One guy gets ostracized, another gets to screw up the Reds for the next 3 years.

Is Imus a racist? Probably. Is Sharpton a racist. Seems like it. But standards of acceptability are "handicapped" shall we say, depending on what your skin color is. THAT is just as wrong as any other historical example in this category. And you defend it. Just don't break your own arm patting yourself on the back. ;)




I mean, "nappy headed ho's"? Is that funny to you?


Depends... If Imus said it, I want his sorry butt fired and ridiculed. Then I want a public apology. At that point, hopefully we as a nation can begin the healing process required to overcome such a sickening comment.

But if Chappelle said it? Well then it is clearly HILARIOUS! :beerme:

MaineRed
06-27-2008, 08:45 PM
Don't they show his show on RFDTV? If you polled 200 people, you would be lucky to find 2 people that have any clue what the channel is and if its on their local cable service.

In the late 90s he had actual ratings. Today Imus has 0 ratings. When people aren't listening to you, you are less influential. He could have Jesus himself on his show every morning, but if no one is listening then its still pretty irrelevant.

When he was with MSNBC he repeatedly beat CNN and Fox for his time slot. RFD obviously is not mainstream but Imus is changing that. I know a bunch of people who are upset they don't get RFD, because of Imus. Another point is that Imus will bring on a guest and reference an interview from earlier in the show and almost every time the person, will say, "yeah, I heard that" or, "yeah, I was listening." And I am talking about senators, congressmen and well known media members.

You have no ratings numbers. You have no facts of any kind. Just a bunch of fluff opinion that Imus has, "no ratings". I watch and I know a bunch of people just like me. And I am just one person from a small town in Maine. Imus has a huge following and you are just showing your ignorance on the subject to suggest otherwise. You don't have much of a point if you have to exaggerate it.

WVRed
06-27-2008, 10:10 PM
Only thing I miss about RFDTV is Big Joe Polka. Happy music for happy people.

Just sayin'.

Fon Duc Tow
06-28-2008, 07:17 AM
Jesus is actually Monday's guest.

GAC
06-28-2008, 07:40 AM
Maybe Imus needs to go to Sirius radio, like Howard, to escape the censors and have the freedom to do what he wants. ;)

I've never been a fan of shock jocks like Imus, Sterns, and so many others. I really don't even give them the time of day.

Yet on one hand we believe in free speech..... while on the other, many try to find ways to shut them up and take away that right, control what they can/can't say, by removing any venue they have to do so.

But in this country anymore, when someone says something objectionable, and even downright stupid, we need to act (pounce) immediately. It's like a gestapo squad.

Aren't we, and I'm talking abut our society as a whole, rational enough people to be able to recognize it for what it is? Which I think an overwhelming majority do.

Do we actually believe that when someone like what Imus, or any others, say something wrongheaded or controversial that it has that strong of an influence on us, change our thinking, so that we're now going to believe that black woman are nappy headed ho's?

Redsfaithful
06-28-2008, 08:13 AM
Do we actually believe that when someone like what Imus, or any others, say something wrongheaded or controversial that it has that strong of an influence on us, change our thinking, so that we're now going to believe that black woman are nappy headed ho's?

I could care less about anything the man ever says, I'm just still shocked Don Imus has fanboys. You're really setting the bar pretty low when that guy's your personal hero.

It's not that Don Imus is racist (even though he clearly is), it's that he's lame.

Completely and utterly. And that's probably more of a sin in this country than being racist. At least be interesting with your ridiculousness.

Not to mention he's got be as old as Paul Harvey at this point. The guy's a dinosaur. Are you approaching 70 Maine? Maybe that's his demo, I don't know, I really don't get it.

Just looked him up on wikipedia and found this comment on Howard Stern:

"yes, Howard's a **** too, Lloyd...Plus a Jew bastard, and should be castrated... put in an oven"

This is funny?

RBA
06-28-2008, 10:57 AM
I could care less about anything the man ever says, I'm just still shocked Don Imus has fanboys. You're really setting the bar pretty low when that guy's your personal hero.

It's not that Don Imus is racist (even though he clearly is), it's that he's lame.

Completely and utterly. And that's probably more of a sin in this country than being racist. At least be interesting with your ridiculousness.



Hey, the number 1 radio talk personality in the country is also lame and clearly a racist. So what's so surprising about Imus having fans?

I just turn it off.

MaineRed
06-28-2008, 11:39 AM
I'm not even halfway to 70, but keep guessing.

What amazes me is all the people who claim to not care what the man says who appear to be experts on everything he has ever said. If you have to go to wiki to find out about the man, you clearly have no clue about him.

Yes, Imus has fanboys. Lots of them. That is why he rakes in the advertising dollars and why he can raise millions of dollars in not time at all. He has better demographics than just about anyone in his line of work. The fact that a bunch of redzoners think he is a dinosaur does not change that. I happen to think Stern (Linda Tripp) is a piece of useless excrement but I am not dumb enough to betlieve the whole world thinks that way.

Shouldn't you go back to doing something productive, like blogging about your heroes, the last place Reds?

Dom Heffner
06-28-2008, 02:40 PM
See- it doesn't matter if I listen or not. The question is whether the statement is racist and whether it should be on public airwaves.

Those who bring up the First Amendment seem to forget something.

People who speak out against him have a right to speak their mind as well.

Which bring us right back to the original point: should something like Imus' program be allowed to continue as is? Again- it's not whether Imus has a right to say it, it's should he?

See- I have a right to say I think my girlfriend has put on a few pounds, I have a right to say I think that Jewish people are cheap (I don't)- but should I? Should I say those things? Even if millions of people would laugh at that and say, "That's just Dom being Dom. Woo hoo!!! Man, it feels good to say that Black people get arrested a lot. It's funny, and it's harmless, and he can say anything he wants, so everybody shut up. Man, that Domster is a hoot!!"

I mean, he can make any joke in the world he wants to, and the jokes he chooses put down people of color? When you start thinking in those terms, it shows you the type of person Imus is, and to go in front of a group of Black people and fall on his sword the way he did and then to come back and make a statement like he did towards Pac-Man Jones. C'mon, apologists. Come up with something more original than the First Amendment to hide behind.

No one wants him jailed, we just don't our airwaves polluted with that crap. He doen't have to leave the air, just knock it off. And if you can't leave the air, then yes, leave it.

Nobody wants to prosecute Imus for broadcasting that Venus and Serena Williams belong in National Geographic and not Sports Illustrated, but we don't want him abusing the First Amendment on airwaves that are public with that type of humor.

And it's my First Amendment right to say so, so argue the substance of what he is saying and stop coming up with excuses for somebody.

Are you telling me that Imus is not a talented enough broadcaster to have a show without those type of jokes? Or is he just an ordinary broadcaster until he adds edgy race jokes?

It would be like Cal Ripken flipping the bird to an entire stadium before each at bat and then saying, "I know that's not necessary but I have a right to do it, so it's just Cal being Cal."

MaineRed
06-28-2008, 07:01 PM
The better Cal Ripken analogy would be if he flipped the bird to the fans every night before each bat and nobody said a word and then have him flip the bird in the direction of the Rutgers basketball team one night only to have everyone flip out.

Nobody wanted to prosecute Imus over the Williams remark because it is the accuser who is forced to make the racial inference. The Williams sisters are a couple of specimens. They are very big, strong women. Very few women have bodies like that. Did Imus say WHY they belonged in NG or are you just assuming you know why he said that? I think it is funny that whenever anyone leads you down a certain path Dom, the first thing you do is make racial inferences.

Imus: "The Williams sisters belong in National Geographic"

Dom: "I don't think they look like gorillas."

Yeah, it is Imus who is the racist.

"When you start thinking in those terms, it shows you the type of person Imus is, and to go in front of a group of Black people and fall on his sword the way he did and then to come back and make a statement like he did towards Pac-Man Jones. C'mon, apologists. Come up with something more original than the First Amendment to hide behind."

Again, if what Imus did is so bad, why hasn't he been fired like he was before? Can't answer that one can you?

I don't know why you can't accept Imus' explanation. It is the truth. It is why the black people on his show said nothing. You are the one making the racial inferences Dom, not Imus. Barack Obama said his grandmother was a typical white woman. Did anyone start a thread on that? Imus himself has said, what if he called someone a typical black person. Would he get away with it?

Elect Obama, fire Imus.

MaineRed
06-28-2008, 07:05 PM
BTW, lets not act like the only Imus defense is the first amendment. I have clearly been the loudest Imus supporter and have said plenty in his defense without using that one. I believe one person, in one post mentioned it. Now you are claiming it is the only defense being used?

NJReds
06-28-2008, 09:17 PM
To clarify, I don't think Imus said anything about the Williams sisters. It was the sports update guy on his show (Sid Rosenberg. In this case, Imus fired Sid and hired him back after what he determined was a 'sincere apology.' I think Sid was eventually fired from WFAN (for something not related to on-air comments) and he now has his own show down in Florida

Now it was Imus' show, so in that respect he's responsible for the content, but he didn't say anything about the Williams sisters.

GAC
06-29-2008, 06:17 AM
See- it doesn't matter if I listen or not. The question is whether the statement is racist and whether it should be on public airwaves.

Those who bring up the First Amendment seem to forget something.

People who speak out against him have a right to speak their mind as well.

Oh, I wholeheartedly agree Dom. You're absolutely right. You have the right to voice an objection, and even protest it. But that individual is not violating any law, and more importantly - the Constitution. Unless of course it can be proven to be libelous. But you're more knowledgeable on the Constitutional law then I am.

I had a "round the kitchen table" talk with my two teenagers (19, 17) about this topic yesterday. You know what they said?....

"He's an idiot! But we have free speech in this country, and that means you have to take the good and the bad, or then we really don't have free speech. People say things that others don't agree with, and may be found offensive, everyday. Are we going to go after everybody, or just certain ones? And when things like that are said, it then shows that person's true "color" (character of their heart) for all to see. And people should not be losing their jobs and/or means of support simply because they say or think so."


Which bring us right back to the original point: should something like Imus' program be allowed to continue as is? Again- it's not whether Imus has a right to say it, it's should he?

Yes. As objectionable as it is, and he's not the only one in our society that says such things (the list grows daily).

And this is where I have a problem Dom. This "rule" (if I may refer to it as so) is not evenly applied throughout our society. It seems it can only be applied to "white guys", because after all, only whites can be racists, and therefore say racist things.

Isn't that "belief" (mindset) itself very stereotypical, wrong, and hateful?

And that is what bother me. Because I'm white I'm told to "suck it up and take it" because my race, historically in this country, is the problem. Can't we see that as a society, if we want to bring true growth and further any type of "healing", then it has to be evenly applied to all cultures, or else it just creates further animosity when we go after one while allowing (justifying) the other? One "group" deserves it; but the other(s) don't?


See- I have a right to say I think my girlfriend has put on a few pounds, I have a right to say I think that Jewish people are cheap (I don't)- but should I? Should I say those things? Even if millions of people would laugh at that and say, "That's just Dom being Dom. Woo hoo!!! Man, it feels good to say that Black people get arrested a lot. It's funny, and it's harmless, and he can say anything he wants, so everybody shut up. Man, that Domster is a hoot!!"

I mean, he can make any joke in the world he wants to, and the jokes he chooses put down people of color? When you start thinking in those terms, it shows you the type of person Imus is

Ever been to a Don Rickles, Jackie Mason, Richard Pryor or Chris Rock show? And many more can be listed.

Yes, I know it's all done under the guise of humor, and I can differentiate that. But here's my point....

All of these people's material was drawn from their life experiences, which included stereotypical views that IMHO were engrained within them, and they really do believe. And a lot of the things they said about various cultures/peoples (even their own) would be deemed hate speech in any other venue. But because it's being presented in the venue of humor it's not only acceptable, but laughable.

Now I can understand that from those in the audience that paid to see them. They know and already expect what they are about to get. That's why they are there. But you can't tell me they weren't saying hurtful and demeaning things that many in our society wouldn't deem wrong.

Isn't that the same with an Imus? Those that choose to listen to him (his audience) know what to expect. Those that don't like him, and even think he's an idiot (or even a racist) don't.

And I don't understand why this huge uproar over a guy that has been doing this for how many decades now? Now it's a problem?


and to go in front of a group of Black people and fall on his sword the way he did and then to come back and make a statement like he did towards Pac-Man Jones. C'mon, apologists. Come up with something more original than the First Amendment to hide behind.

I don't think he should have "fallen on his sword" the first time. Especially to the likes of a Sharpton or Jackson. What he said about those Rutger girls was stupid and wrong; but again - he's been doing this for how long now? Now it was a problem?


Nobody wants to prosecute Imus for broadcasting that Venus and Serena Williams belong in National Geographic and not Sports Illustrated, but we don't want him abusing the First Amendment on airwaves that are public with that type of humor......Are you telling me that Imus is not a talented enough broadcaster to have a show without those type of jokes?

Ahhh, so you are saying it is humor. ;)

How is it abusing the First Amendment? Who defines or sets those boundaries? Is there a clause in the Constitution that covers abusing it?

Final Point:

When talking about "hate speech", it shouldn't just be narrowly defined to skin color should it?

How about if someone makes a hateful, stereotypical statement about a regional people, like say Southerners? Or how about the multitude of mean and hateful things that have been broadcast over the years, and publicly said by prominent people about people of faith? And some of those things have been very hurtful and wrongly distorted many in the general public's perception of that faith. But that was the main objective in why they said it to begin with - to change and influence people's perception. And it wasn't done in a humorous/joking setting either. Bill Maher is one example.

I'm personally a "turn the other cheek" kind of guy when I have heard those statements. I let it roll off of me. I don't let what other may say bother me. And that's my point.

But when those situations have occurred, and people protested while many others told them they were making too much out of it and to "get a life", should those individuals have been removed from the airwaves?

MaineRed
06-29-2008, 09:42 AM
GAC, I don't expect everyone to turn the other cheek like you do, but as a diehard Imus fan comments this one really bother me.


Which bring us right back to the original point: should something like Imus' program be allowed to continue as is?

Dom, I guess I don't get what you (someone who doesn't listen) means by "as is". The show has been back on for 7 months and this MISUNDERSTANDING between Imus and people who have no clue what he actually meant is the first such incident. This from a man who certainly has a bunch of weenies listening to his every word waiting for a chance to pounce.

Do like your cyberspace polluted with hate, porn and everything else under the sun? People can do anything they want on the internet to find bad things. And it is just as easy as purposely tuning into the Imus in the Morning program. Why aren't you in an uproar over those things? Why aren't you out fighting the good fight against OUR polluted cyberspace? Why just Imus? Why aren't you asking, should porn.com be allowed to continue "as is"? Why aren't you asking about Dave Chappelle or Chris Rock or the rap industry? Why just Imus?

With the Rutgers thing Imus at first used the defense that he was a good guy who did lots of good things. He got blasted and now blast himself for using it. But to me I think it was a fair defense. The people who went after him were right, that doesn't give him the right to say whatever he wants. But the point is he was being dragged through the dirt like he was the worst thing society had ever seen. Meanwhile bad people doing bad things and saying stupid stuff are and were being ignored left and right.

People seem to be going after Imus because they don't like him not because they think our society is going to be greatly improved if he is taken off the air. People don't care about the real problems in our world because they don't have an opinion on the person doing those bad deeds. Instead they take it out on folks like Imus. I don't know why you can't just not tune in if you don't like him and let those of us who do like him continue to enjoy him while also understanding that none of Imus' listeners are joining the KKK because of his encouragement. We laugh at his jokes, that is it. The jokes about blacks, the jokes about whites, the jokes about catholics and the jokes about Imus himself which by the way, half the jokes are about. What good does it do our society if the Imus show has cracks about every race, except one, black?

Just out of curiosity Dom, what are your thoughts when you read comments from Carl Jeffers that Imus is doing more to foster a decent discussion on race than anyone on the public airwaves?