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Jr's Boy
06-24-2008, 11:19 PM
After seeing that garbage tonight he has got to get on the ball.Major changes coming soon as we near the trade deadline.Though looks like next year could be more of the same,one thing at a time I guess.We got a legit SP staff now it seems,give or take the last two spots.When was the last time the Reds had the best starter in baseball?
Now the bats need to fall in place,and it's gonna take major change,a lot of Redzoners are going to get there feelings hurt,however it's inevitable.The winds of change may be blowing in the Queen city soon.

Strider
06-24-2008, 11:28 PM
I'm reluctantly to the point where I'm willing to accept major changes in the roster.

Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results some say is the definition of insanity.

At this point I'm ready to try any path Walt J and company want to take the team.

Wherever, it's gotta be better than where we've been...

captainmorgan07
06-25-2008, 12:29 AM
You aint kidding right there. Needs to sure up the catchers spot, outfield depending on if we keep Griff an Dunn. The day of the 3 run homer need to end in Cincy. We haven't won with it. This team needs to become predicated on pitching and defense. With Bruce, Phillips, Votto the offense i'll come.

ChatterRed
06-25-2008, 10:28 AM
The problem with this team is that they need to dip into free agency, but there isn't much quality out there. It will be tough to acquire some good outfielders for next year to beef up the offense.

sammonator
06-25-2008, 11:06 AM
I'm reluctantly to the point where I'm willing to accept major changes in the roster.

Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results some say is the definition of insanity.

At this point I'm ready to try any path Walt J and company want to take the team.

Wherever, it's gotta be better than where we've been...

Totally agree!!!!!!

CySeymour
06-25-2008, 11:40 AM
I am really starting to feel that way, too. I do feel like the foundation of Votto, Bruce, EE, Volquez, Cueto, etc is strong. At least if Dunn and Griff both are elsewhere next year, that's an aweful lot of cash freed up for Walt to work with.

44Magnum
06-25-2008, 11:47 AM
The problem with this team is that they need to dip into free agency, but there isn't much quality out there. It will be tough to acquire some good outfielders for next year to beef up the offense.

I disagree. Jr. and Dunn won't be difficult to replace. Defensive replacements alone would make up for at least half of their offensive production.

OesterPoster
06-25-2008, 12:22 PM
I disagree. Jr. and Dunn won't be difficult to replace. Defensive replacements alone would make up for at least half of their offensive production.

Ditto that.

And just because the list of potential free agents appears to be unflattering, I'd expect free agent signees with Cinci to get a nice little GABP boost to their offensive statistics.

I'm ready to set sail on the Dunn-Griffey era. I don't care who Jocketty plugs into the lineup, just as long as it's a winning product.

durl
06-25-2008, 12:36 PM
I disagree. Jr. and Dunn won't be difficult to replace. Defensive replacements alone would make up for at least half of their offensive production.

I want to make sure I'm following. A defensive upgrade in LF and RF would be worth sacrificing 50 HR, 120 RBIs and 120 Runs scored next year? Is that really an acceptable drop in production?

By saying that improved defense would make up for more than half of Dunn and Griffey's combined offense, that would mean the new corner outfielders would each hit (at most) 25 HR, 60 RBIs, and score 60 runs next year. I'm not sure if I'd call that an upgrade. Sure, the Dunn and Griffey are trending down this year but I still want more than 60 RBIs from the corner guys.

Jack Burton
06-25-2008, 01:10 PM
I agree with the thread title, this organization is in shambles.

CWRed
06-25-2008, 01:28 PM
Need Juan Castro back....and Chad Moeller....Championship. :beerme:

TheBigLebowski
06-25-2008, 01:57 PM
We already traded for Aaron Herr. Better days soon to follow.

OesterPoster
06-25-2008, 02:04 PM
We already traded for Aaron Herr. Better days soon to follow.


Hello!!! :wave:

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Boston Red
06-25-2008, 05:25 PM
Matt Anderson was once the #1 overall draft pick. He's on Charlotte's roster but hasn't pitched in over three weeks, so I'm thinking he's available. Sign him, and it's World Series here we come.

NeilHamburger
06-25-2008, 05:58 PM
From ORG, here's what he has to work with in terms of free agents this offseason:

*****a quick note, this list isn't complete, as the player I want the reds to go after (milton bradley) is a free agent after this season, and he isn't listed, I can't post in ORG but they should probably know that the list is missing players.


2009 Free Agents
The following players have contracts expiring or should have the six years of service necessary to become free agents after the 2008 season.
* - player whose contract includes 2009 option

Player Club

First Basemen
Rich Aurilia SF
Ben Broussard TEX
Carlos Delgado * NYM
Nomar Garciaparra LAD
Jason Giambi * NYY
Wes Helms PHI
Kevin Millar BAL
Richie Sexson SEA
Mark Teixeira ATL
Frank Thomas OAK
Jim Thome CWS
Daryle Ward CHC

Second Basemen
Jamey Carroll * CLE
Ray Durham SF
Mark Ellis OAK
Marcus Giles COL
Mark Grudzielanek KC
Orlando Hudson ARZ
Jeff Kent LAD
Felipe Lopez WAS
D’Angelo Jimenez STL
Pablo Ozuna * CWS
Nick Punto MIN
Jose Valentin NYM
Jose Vidro * SEA

Shortstops
Orlando Cabrera CWS
Alex Cintron CWS
Alex Cora BOS
Craig Counsell * MIL
Adam Everett MIN
Rafael Furcal LAD
Cristian Guzman WAS
Cesar Izturis STL
Ramon Martinez LAD
Edgar Renteria * DET
Juan Uribe CWS

Third Basemen
Hank Blalock * TEX
Joe Crede CWS
Morgan Ensberg NYY
Chipper Jones * ATL
Corey Koskie MIL
Greg Norton TB

Catchers
Rod Barajas TOR
Henry Blanco * CHC
Johnny Estrada MIL
Toby Hall * CWS
Adam Melhuse TEX
Mike Redmond * MIN
Ivan Rodriguez DET
David Ross * CIN
Javier Valentin CIN
Jason Varitek BOS
Vance Wilson DET
Gregg Zaun * TOR

Outfielders
Bobby Abreu NYY
Moises Alou NYM
Garret Anderson * LAA
Rocco Baldelli TB
Willie Bloomquist SEA
Emil Brown OAK
Pat Burrell PHI
Endy Chavez NYM
Carl Crawford * TB
Adam Dunn CIN
Jim Edmonds CHC
Juan Encarnacion STL
Cliff Floyd TB
Brian Giles * SD
Ken Griffey Jr. * CIN
Vladimir Guerrero * LAA
Raul Ibanez SEA
Jacque Jones DET
Mark Kotsay ATL
Rob Mackowiak WAS
Kevin Mench TEX
Jason Michaels * CLE
Craig Monroe MIN
Jay Payton BAL
Scott Podsednik COL
Manny Ramirez * BOS
Juan Rivera LAA
Rondell White MIN

Starting Pitchers
Kris Bensen BAL
A.J. Burnett TOR (may opt out)
Paul Byrd CLE
Jon Garland LAA
Tom Glavine ATL
Mike Hampton * ATL
Rich Harden * OAK
Orlando Hernandez NYM
Jason Jennings TEX
Randy Johnson ARZ
John Lackey * LAA
Esteban Loaiza OAK
Braden Looper STL
Derek Lowe LAD
Pedro Martinez NYM
Matt Morris * PIT
Mike Mussina NYY
Jamie Moyer PHI
Mark Mulder * STL
Carl Pavano NYY
Brad Penny * LAD
Odalis Perez WAS
Oliver Perez NYM
Andy Pettitte NYY
Mark Prior SD
Horatio Ramirez SEA
C.C. Sabathia CLE
Ben Sheets MIL
John Smoltz * ATL
Julian Tavarez BOS
Steve Trachsel BAL
Brett Tomko KC
Claudio Vargas MIL
Randy Wolf SD

Relief Pitchers
Tony Armas Jr. PIT
Luis Ayala WAS
Joe Beimel LAD
Joe Borowski CLE
Juan Cruz ARZ
Ryan Dempster CHC
Brendan Donnelly BOS
Scott Downs TOR
Alan Embree * OAK
Scott Eyre CHC
Kyle Farnsworth NYY
Casey Fossum TB
Brian Fuentes COL
Aaron Fultz CLE
Tom Gordon * PHI
LaTroy Hawkins NYY
Mark Hendrickson LAD
Trevor Hoffman SD
Bobby Howry CHC
Jason Isringhausen STL
Steve Kline SF
Brad Lidge PHI
Brandon Lyon ARZ
Damaso Marte * PIT
Tom Martin COL
Julio Mateo PHI
Guillermo Mota MIL
Will Ohman CHC
Hideki Okajima * BOS
Darren Oliver LAA
John Parrish SEA
Chris Reitsma SEA
Dennys Reyes MIN
Juan Rincon MIN
Francisco Rodriguez LAA
Brian Shouse MIL
Rafael Soriano ATL
Jorge Sosa NYM
Mike Stanton * CIN
Salomon Torres * MIL
Derrick Turnbow MIL
Oscar Villarreal ATL
David Weathers CIN
Dan Wheeler TB
Dave Williams NYM
Matt Wise NYM
Jay Witasick TB

NeilHamburger
06-25-2008, 06:04 PM
Here's what I do, let griffey and dunn walk. I bring in Furcal and Bradley (hell, they'd cost less than griffey and dunn even if you way overpay to get them to come).

This is my lineup
Furcal SS
Hairston Cf
Bradley Lf
Votto 1st
Bruce Rf
Phillips 2nd
EE Third
Free agent catcher

Jr's Boy
06-25-2008, 10:54 PM
Only thing about signing Milton Bradley is that Marty would have to cool any criticism of him,or risk having Bradley running up the stairs to the announcer's booth.:D

I(heart)Freel
06-26-2008, 08:01 AM
The FA catcher list is the definition of underwhelming.

I guess you focus on game-caller and steal-stopper and accept the weak bat.

Hondo
06-26-2008, 04:28 PM
The FA catcher list is the definition of underwhelming.

I guess you focus on game-caller and steal-stopper and accept the weak bat.

I'd like the Reds to sign Jason Varitek... He would provide Vetran Leadership and be a Productive Back Stop for 2 years before Devin M is ready to compete... He is also a World Series Champion and would be great with the Younger pitchers...

Fullboat
06-26-2008, 06:22 PM
Milton Bradley=http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:zdGDMrX4w9Y5zM:http://www.newamerica.net/files/pictures/16/explosive.JPG

kpresidente
06-26-2008, 10:41 PM
I'd sign CC Sabathia and not worry about the offense.