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big boy
06-25-2008, 10:27 PM
Is David Ross the worst catcher of all-time at making a play at the plate? It seems like every time a runner is bearing down on him, he drops the ball. The same thing happened tonight.

durl
06-25-2008, 10:55 PM
No.

zacharync
06-25-2008, 11:20 PM
Not the worst of all time

Cicero
06-25-2008, 11:36 PM
Most catchers don't get the out in that situation. That is what makes it an exciting play when it does happen.

Nasty_Boy
06-25-2008, 11:42 PM
All time... No

Past 3 seasons... you could make a case

tommycash
06-25-2008, 11:49 PM
There have been worse than Ross. He has better numbers at that position than Eddie Taubensee did and is has a .989 career fielding average which is one point below Jason Larue's career average. He has even had better years (defensively) than the great Johnny Bench did. Bench had some .986 or worse years. This is not a knock on Bench but merely putting Ross' defense in perspective. Go on and compare him to others on baseball-reference.com. Now his offense is another story.

tommycash
06-25-2008, 11:53 PM
All time... No

Past 3 seasons... you could make a case

Really, last 3 seasons? I don't think so. Last year Ross had a better FP than the league average and his first year here (the first of those 3 seasons) he was one of the best hitting catchers in the league. I think Ross is now peaked and is a solid back up, but he is far from the worst in the league.

44Magnum
06-26-2008, 09:47 AM
Ross is terrible at making plays at the plate. I doubt anyone in MLB is worse at it than him. :thumbdown

levydl
06-26-2008, 10:10 AM
Those plays at the plate won't factor into his fielding percentage, since they're almost never charged as errors. The question was, is he the worst on those plays to the plate? I can't quote you stats on it, but he does seem to screw it up every freaking time!!!

markymark69
06-26-2008, 10:22 AM
Those plays at the plate won't factor into his fielding percentage, since they're almost never charged as errors. The question was, is he the worst on those plays to the plate? I can't quote you stats on it, but he does seem to screw it up every freaking time!!!

Exactly. There may be some out there who would complain that Dunn missed the cut-off man, but had Ross caught the ball, the runner was toast at the plate.

Nasty_Boy
06-26-2008, 10:34 AM
Those plays at the plate won't factor into his fielding percentage, since they're almost never charged as errors. The question was, is he the worst on those plays to the plate? I can't quote you stats on it, but he does seem to screw it up every freaking time!!!


Thank you!

Cicero
06-26-2008, 11:01 AM
Ross is far from the problem with this team. And no, he doesn't "screw it up" every time. Sports fans are so reactionary. If he goes on a hot streak we will see people posting threads about whether or not he is untouchable in trades etc.

levydl
06-26-2008, 11:15 AM
Ross is far from the problem with this team. And no, he doesn't "screw it up" every time. Sports fans are so reactionary. If he goes on a hot streak we will see people posting threads about whether or not he is untouchable in trades etc.

I don't think anyone thinks Ross is the guy holding this team back (though, no, I don't think he's very good). But he seems to drop the ball on a play at the plate a whole lot.

Orenda
06-26-2008, 12:37 PM
Ross is far from the problem with this team. And no, he doesn't "screw it up" every time. Sports fans are so reactionary.

Thats funny because last night after his botched play at home, I admit I had the same initial reaction "He is horrible with plays at the plate." But after they showed the replay a couple of times the thing that bothered me wasn't that he had misplayed the short hop, but the fact that he had taken steps back, leaving the plate wide open, to make the play. That must not be one of the little things that George Grande likes to talk about all the time because last night all he said was how the near perfect throw by Dunn would have been better if it had bounced a couple times.

CWRed
06-26-2008, 12:45 PM
So Grande blames Dunn for a perfect throw. That seems about right. Ross does drop a ton of throws at the plate. I wish they had a stat for that.

Stupid Dunn. :rolleyes:

Cicero
06-26-2008, 11:05 PM
Thats funny because last night after his botched play at home, I admit I had the same initial reaction "He is horrible with plays at the plate." But after they showed the replay a couple of times the thing that bothered me wasn't that he had misplayed the short hop, but the fact that he had taken steps back, leaving the plate wide open, to make the play. That must not be one of the little things that George Grande likes to talk about all the time because last night all he said was how the near perfect throw by Dunn would have been better if it had bounced a couple times.

He does tend to do that I will grant you that. He is probably trying to make sure he keeps it in front of him but stepping away from the plate concedes a run either way so it is kind of pointless.

kpresidente
06-26-2008, 11:10 PM
He does tend to do that I will grant you that. He is probably trying to make sure he keeps it in front of him but stepping away from the plate concedes a run either way so it is kind of pointless.

Catchers don't worry about keeping the ball in front of them on plays at the plate. The pitcher is backing him up.

Big Hurt
06-28-2008, 01:45 PM
I'm a fan of Chris Welsh and he has commented numerous times this year about poor pitch selection hurting our pitchers. I agree with this former pitcher and wonder if our young studs are getting correct advice from our catchers. IMO, a catcher's ability to strategize a game with the correct pitch calls is much more important than anything else he could do. Are our boys getting the job done in this regard?