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klw
07-05-2008, 02:24 PM
If so at what cost and why is Nelson Cruz not getting another shot in the bigs? I know he was blah last year with texas but his numbers in AAA are eyepoppoing again this year. Is he simply a AAAA guy or ould he be a decent RH bat?

http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=3348

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=443558


2008 Season

Team League AVG G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG OPS
OKL PCL .343 77 280 73 96 15 3 25 70 192 51 67 18 7 .447 .686 1.132


2007 Season:
Team League AVG G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG OPS
OKL PCL .352 44 162 32 57 9 1 15 45 113 21 34 1 2 .428 .698 1.125
Minors .352 44 162 32 57 9 1 15 45 113 21 34 1 2 .428 .698 1.125
MLB .235 96 307 35 72 15 2 9 34 118 21 87 2 4 .287 .384 .671

Joseph
07-05-2008, 04:52 PM
Murphy, Bradley, and some guy named Hamilton have been eating up OF space all year in Texas. Might be a good target to deal with them for Cruz and a catcher for some sort of pitcher.

bellhead
07-05-2008, 05:00 PM
Where does he play in the outfield, if he is a centerfielder then make a deal.

klw
07-05-2008, 05:27 PM
Where does he play in the outfield, if he is a centerfielder then make a deal.

He has played almost every game in RF and only part of two games this year in CF.

OesterPoster
07-05-2008, 06:07 PM
Texas also seems to have an abundance of catchers too. Between Salty, Laird, Max Ramirez, and Taylor Teagarden, you'd think they'll need to move one or more of those guys at some point.

Mario-Rijo
07-05-2008, 06:32 PM
Belisle, Dorn & Tatum for Teagarden & Cruz?

Homer Bailey
07-05-2008, 06:49 PM
This may be a good team to talk to with about Harang. They seem to have the prospects necessary and they aren't far back. Lord knows they need pitching.

BEETTLEBUG
07-05-2008, 09:42 PM
I like that Mario-Rijo

The_jbh
07-06-2008, 01:52 PM
teams don't typically swap prospects... i can't think of one occassion of a top prospect for top prospect deal that didn't include substantial ML players

sjesu
07-06-2008, 04:09 PM
teams don't typically swap prospects... i can't think of one occassion of a top prospect for top prospect deal that didn't include substantial ML players

Does Garza for Young count?

Mario-Rijo
07-06-2008, 09:23 PM
teams don't typically swap prospects... i can't think of one occassion of a top prospect for top prospect deal that didn't include substantial ML players

When your desperate for pitching and don't have a clue how to judge talent in that area Belisle may look better than he is. I remember about 2 years ago the Rangers alledgedly had some interest in EZ Ramirez. It's befuddling I know but it's Rangers baseball.

OnBaseMachine
07-28-2008, 03:06 AM
Nelson Cruz homered again tonight and now has a ridiculous 11 homeruns in his last 10 games spanning 44 atbats to give a total of 37 homeruns on the AAA season in only 345 atbats. His line is .348/.443/.733 - 1.176 and he also has 24 stolen bases in 31 attempts. Unbelievable. He turned 28 earlier this month but he's a guy I'd like to see Jocketty attempt to acquire. He could be the next Ryan Ludwick (who Jocketty also acquired) or at worst provide some solid right handed pop off the bench.

Check out his stats:

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=443558

Homer Bailey
07-28-2008, 03:30 AM
Nelson Cruz homered again tonight and now has a ridiculous 11 homeruns in his last 10 games spanning 44 atbats to give a total of 37 homeruns on the AAA season in only 345 atbats. His line is .348/.443/.733 - 1.176 and he also has 24 stolen bases in 31 attempts. Unbelievable. He turned 28 earlier this month but he's a guy I'd like to see Jocketty attempt to acquire. He could be the next Ryan Ludwick (who Jocketty also acquired) or at worst provide some solid right handed pop off the bench.

Check out his stats:

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=443558


Those are seriously mind blowing numbers. I don't even know what to say about that.

camisadelgolf
07-28-2008, 03:49 AM
Nelson Cruz is what Jay Bruce will become if Bruce ever becomes a bust.

CTA513
07-28-2008, 03:53 AM
The Rangers need pitching and I would be willing to give them some depending on who they would want.
If you did trade for Cruz you would have to trade Dunn or Griffey to make room for him in the outfield.

M2
07-28-2008, 10:35 AM
Belisle, Dorn & Tatum for Teagarden & Cruz?

Why would the Rangers do that? Belisle will be freely available this winter for less than he costs right now. The Rangers are already deep in the OF, which is why they could deal Cruz in the first place (meaning Dorn would hold little fascination) and Tatum's a complete non-prospect.

RedlegJake
07-28-2008, 11:55 AM
The Rangers have Cruz and three catching prospects. They want pitching. I'd be waving Bailey, Maloney, LeCure,Thompson, Jukich, Roenicke, Pelland (not all but one or two depending on which ones they want)and a reliever like Weathers or Affeldt for Cruz and Ramirez or Teagarden.

My offer: Bailey, LeCure and Affeldt for Cruz, Ramirez and Poveda.

kpresidente
07-28-2008, 12:24 PM
People believe that Cruz can magically learn to hit at 27 years old, but don't believe the same about Hopper.

At least Hopper did it for a while in the majors.

OnBaseMachine
07-28-2008, 12:28 PM
People believe that Cruz can magically learn to hit at 27 years old, but don't believe the same about Hopper.

At least Hopper did it for a while in the majors.

Cruz actually has good power and is willing to take a walk, whereas Norris Hopper's only true skill is his ability to drop down a bunt. No one is saying Cruz is a lock to figure things out but I'd place my money on him being a more valuable major leaguer than Norris Hopper.

kpresidente
07-28-2008, 01:17 PM
Cruz actually has good power and is willing to take a walk, whereas Norris Hopper's only true skill is his ability to drop down a bunt. No one is saying Cruz is a lock to figure things out but I'd place my money on him being a more valuable major leaguer than Norris Hopper.

All-around player? Of course. Cruz has been a better minor-leaguer than Hopper was.

But my point is that both players had a considerable jump in their minor-league production at around 26 years old. If you credit one for it, you should credit the other as well.

In fact, give more credit to Hopper because he was able to sustain it in the majors and Cruz wasn't.

camisadelgolf
07-28-2008, 03:51 PM
I also want to throw out there that Teagarden is worth a lot more than people are giving him credit for. It would take a lot more to acquire him than what people are suggesting.

Brutus
07-28-2008, 03:54 PM
Nelson Cruz homered again tonight and now has a ridiculous 11 homeruns in his last 10 games spanning 44 atbats to give a total of 37 homeruns on the AAA season in only 345 atbats. His line is .348/.443/.733 - 1.176 and he also has 24 stolen bases in 31 attempts. Unbelievable. He turned 28 earlier this month but he's a guy I'd like to see Jocketty attempt to acquire. He could be the next Ryan Ludwick (who Jocketty also acquired) or at worst provide some solid right handed pop off the bench.

Check out his stats:

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=443558

Though obviously we're talking about needs as they pertain to the Reds, Dallas McPherson is also a guy putting up those kind of ridiculous numbers (sans the stolen bases). McPherson is putting up video game numbers in Triple-A, though unlike Cruz, there's not really anywhere to put him.

M2
07-28-2008, 04:01 PM
I also want to throw out there that Teagarden is worth a lot more than people are giving him credit for. It would take a lot more to acquire him than what people are suggesting.

Let him struggle in the majors for a year or two and then he'll come cheap.

Bumstead
07-28-2008, 05:33 PM
What's this player's name again??? Roberto Petagine? Kevin Bass? Erinie Young? Oh, Nelson Cruz....he's more likely to become a minor league free agent than he is to become a successful MLB outfielder next season. Teagarden = worthwhile; Nelson Cruz = Jim Bowden-like pick-up...Let's go after players we can build a team around!

Bumstead

Grande Donkey
07-31-2008, 04:23 PM
Apparently Walt is interested in Cruz as well.

klw
08-26-2008, 06:46 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=280825107&action=playvideo&hcmp=motion

Cruz is up and had a nice season premiere last night. He was a triple shy of the cycle.