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RedlegJake
07-06-2008, 01:08 PM
Edinson Volquez faces Colin Balester in a battle of flamethrowing youngsters

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 01:09 PM
Lineups:


REDS

Jerry Hairston Jr. CF

Jeff Keppinger SS

Ken Griffey Jr. RF

Brandon Phillips 2B

Adam Dunn LF

Edwin Encarnacion 3B

Joey Votto 1B

David Ross C

Edinson Volquez RHP (10-3, 2.24)



NATIONALS

Felipe Lopez 2B

Ronnie Belliard 3B

Cristian Guzman SS

Austin Kearns RF

Dmitri Young 1B

Paul Do Luca C

Wily Mo Pena LF

Roger Bernadina CF

Collin Balester RHP (1-0, 1.80)

Puig Your Red
07-06-2008, 01:13 PM
Reds need to win and sweep today.

RedlegJake
07-06-2008, 01:15 PM
Volquez should have a big day against this lineup hopefully. I am hoping the Reds can handle this kid Balester. He is a hard thrower and new to the league, the Reds do well against fastballers but they make rookies look like Cy Young reincarnate.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 01:16 PM
Lopez grounds out to Ross. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 01:17 PM
Belliard grounds out to short. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 01:19 PM
Guzman grounds out to 2nd. An 8 pitch inning. 0-0 mid 1st.

Puig Your Red
07-06-2008, 01:19 PM
Tough first inning

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 01:19 PM
3 up 3 down. Nice start to the game for Edinson.

RedlegJake
07-06-2008, 01:19 PM
1-2-3 8 pitch inning for Edinson

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 01:21 PM
Anybody have a problem with Webb being the NL starter for the ASG? Just curious.

Sure, Edinson & Lincecum both have solid cases too. I was just wondering if anybody really questions that choice. I, personally, would've been fine with any of those 3.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 01:22 PM
Hairston flies out to the warning track in left center. 1 out.

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 01:22 PM
Almost. Darn. Hairston Jr to the CF wall for a pop out.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 01:23 PM
Keppinger grounds out to short. 2 outs.

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 01:24 PM
Kepp with a grounder to SS. 2 down.

I was told that this kid had a great fastball. Haven't seen it yet. Right around 90-92 or so.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 01:25 PM
Junior strikes out swinging. An 11 pitch inning. 0-0 after 1.

RedlegJake
07-06-2008, 01:25 PM
Kepp with a grounder to SS. 2 down.

I was told that this kid had a great fastball. Haven't seen it yet. Right around 90-92 or so.

Me too. He's hitting 92. Nothing eye popping. Some movement but not explosive.

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 01:25 PM
Griff goes down swinging. 0-0 end of 1st.

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 01:26 PM
Me too. He's hitting 92. Nothing eye popping. Some movement but not explosive.

However, he is RIGHT on the plate with just about everything. Breaking balls too. Solid but not electric.

Tony Cloninger
07-06-2008, 01:27 PM
You know.....if this team cannot score more than 3 runs against this guy...I am going to agree that Jacoby might just have to be let go. I always favor blaming the players more than the coach.....but this offense should not be this putrid.

JH would have been better off having that be a line drive...beacuse if it does not go out....balls do not find gaps here...unless you have Greg Luzinski in the OF.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 01:28 PM
Kearns lines a single to left.

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 01:28 PM
Edinson's stuff is just filthy. 95-97 heater backed up with an 82 mph change. Just nasty.

Quickly followed by a single. My bad.

Puig Your Red
07-06-2008, 01:29 PM
Edinson's stuff is just filthy. 95-97 heater backed up with an 82 mph change. Just nasty.
So he brought his good stuff with him today? In the last game he was throwing between 88-92.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 01:30 PM
Young strikes out swinging. 1out

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 01:30 PM
Young K's.

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 01:31 PM
So he brought his good stuff with him today? In the last game he was throwing between 88-92.

Yep. He's pretty consistantly around 95 on the heater. But it's that 82 change that's just crippling. Gotta love it.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 01:33 PM
LoDuca flies out to right. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 01:35 PM
Pena grounds out to Volquez. 0-0 mid 2nd.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 01:36 PM
28 pitches (18 strikes, 10 balls) for Volquez through 2.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 01:38 PM
Phillips flies out to left. 1 out.

RedlegJake
07-06-2008, 01:38 PM
Looking at the Washington lineup and I was struck at just how bad their team is. How in the world have they even topped 30 wins? Sadly, the Reds are barely outscoring them in this series.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 01:40 PM
Dunn flies out to the warning track in center. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 01:42 PM
Encarnacion flies out to the warning track in left. 3 warning track fly balls in 2 innings. 0-0 after 2.

RedlegJake
07-06-2008, 01:42 PM
This kid is barely 50/50 ball and strike so far and the Reds aren't working him so far. EE with a 5 pitch AB. 23 pitches for Balester 13 strikes. Until he finished with 3 strikes in a row against EE he was 50/50. Patience. Patience.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 01:44 PM
Bernadina leads off with a single.

RedlegJake
07-06-2008, 01:44 PM
Bernadina with a nice bunt single

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 01:44 PM
This kid is barely 50/50 ball and strike so far and the Reds aren't working him so far. EE with a 5 pitch AB. 23 pitches for Balester 13 strikes. Until he finished with 3 strikes in a row against EE he was 50/50. Patience. Patience.

I agree we should be showing more patience, but this kid is really getting squeezed by the ump too. A lot of those balls are right on the plate.

Tom Servo
07-06-2008, 01:45 PM
Showed him.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 01:45 PM
Balester squares to bunt and it looks like he got hit in the hand.

RedlegJake
07-06-2008, 01:45 PM
Volquez hits the pitcher on the finger with a fastball.

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 01:46 PM
HBP .... hit on the pitching hand no less. These Nats are really snake-bit this year. Okay, they also suck...but still.

WVRedsFan
07-06-2008, 01:47 PM
Poor kid having to be interviewed by George Grande. Let Chris do it, George.

RedlegJake
07-06-2008, 01:47 PM
Volquez gestures to Balester at first as if "sorry, are you ok?" Balester gestures back, "no problem".

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 01:48 PM
4 pitch walk to Lopez. Bases loaded with no outs.

RedlegJake
07-06-2008, 01:48 PM
Now 4 straight balls to Lopez

WVRedsFan
07-06-2008, 01:48 PM
Multi-run inning coming up.

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 01:48 PM
Quickly behind 3-0. This ump is squeezing both of them now. Really tight zone. Ball 4. *sigh*

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 01:49 PM
Belliard singles to left. 1-0 Nationals. Bases still loaded.

RedlegJake
07-06-2008, 01:50 PM
Belliard singles. Still loaded. 1-0 Nats. 0 out

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 01:50 PM
Belliard swinging on the first pitch. Single to left.

1-0 Nats. Still no outs and bases jacked.

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 01:50 PM
Now Edinson has just lost the strikezone.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 01:51 PM
Guzman grounds into a 4-6 FC. Should have been a DP but Brandon could not get the ball out his glove quick enough. 2-0 Nationals. 1st and 3rd.

RedlegJake
07-06-2008, 01:51 PM
Now Phillips misplays the DP so its a run and only 1 out.

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 01:52 PM
Guzman safe on fielders choice. 2-0 Nats. Phillips kinda juggled that one. Should've been a DP.

HokieRed
07-06-2008, 01:52 PM
How many bad starts in a row before the Krivsky lovers start thinking Volquez for Hamilton was a bad deal?

LoganBuck
07-06-2008, 01:52 PM
Yuck

Does anyone else think that Volquez is getting squeezed by the ump again?

WVRedsFan
07-06-2008, 01:52 PM
Volquez has lot his control. He looks different--just like last time out. Wonder what the problem is?

RedlegJake
07-06-2008, 01:53 PM
3rd from last in DPs and that's the reason. Poor, poor DP execution all year long.

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 01:53 PM
Sheesh. 3-0 again. Come on Edinson, get back in the zone!

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 01:53 PM
4 pitch walk to Kearns. From that HBP on Volquez has really lost his control. Bases loaded.

MrCinatit
07-06-2008, 01:54 PM
Watching this inning is as painful as listening to George try to interview.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 01:54 PM
Now 2-0 on Young.

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 01:54 PM
He's trying to nibble at the corners against an ump that's got a small strike zone. Not a good combination.

RedlegJake
07-06-2008, 01:54 PM
Everyone knew Volquez would have periods like this when he struggles with command. Third start in a row he's struggled with control but this is the worst I've seen him so far.

LoganBuck
07-06-2008, 01:54 PM
Volquez didn't look like he was happy or willing to listen to Ross.

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 01:55 PM
Everyone knew Volquez would have periods like this when he struggles with command. Third start in a row he's struggled with control but this is the worst I've seen him so far.

Not really. He's so darned close to the plate. He's getting squeezed pretty hard right now.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 01:56 PM
Young walks on a 3-2 pitch that was a strike. 3-0 Nationals.

LoganBuck
07-06-2008, 01:56 PM
I call shenanigans on that one.

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 01:57 PM
3-0 Nats. Young walks with bases loaded.

I knew we were in trouble when Steve Phillips picked Edinson as his fantasy pitcher for today.

CTA513
07-06-2008, 01:57 PM
Volquez is just giving these guys runs.

LoganBuck
07-06-2008, 01:58 PM
Who is the ump today? He is very inconsistent.

Red in Chicago
07-06-2008, 01:58 PM
timmy, do you like movies about gladiators

RedlegJake
07-06-2008, 01:58 PM
Not really. He's so darned close to the plate. He's getting squeezed pretty hard right now.

Doesn't matter. If you aren't getting the call and keep throwing the same location that's lack of command. He has to bring it into the ump's zone.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 01:59 PM
LoDuca grounds into a 5-4-3 DP to finally end the inning. 3-0 Nationals mid 3rd.

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 01:59 PM
Who is the ump today? He is very inconsistent.

Jerry Davis...and you betcha.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 01:59 PM
That was a 26 pitch inning. Volquez now at 54 pitches through 3.

Tony Cloninger
07-06-2008, 02:00 PM
Who is this ump? Must be a late 90's ump......the ones who decided anything not down the pipe was a ball. Get out there Dusty and yell at this guy...Bobby Cox style. You think Cox would put up with this garbage?

Poor little kid....I mean ...who do you think your interviewing there Henry Kessinger? Why make him more nervous than he already is.

RedlegJake
07-06-2008, 02:00 PM
I'd be more worried if Edinson was getting hit but he isn't. He'll settle down hopefuly and deal with this "strike zone"

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 02:01 PM
Doesn't matter. If you aren't getting the call and keep throwing the same location that's lack of command. He has to bring it into the ump's zone.

A lack of command is to miss the zone by an inch or two? I don't think so. He's hitting Ross' mitt. This is the smallest zone I've seen all year. And not just for Edinson, he's doing it to the Nats pitcher too. I mean if your zone is a 1 foot square you're forcing the pitchers to throw it right down the gut. That's unfair.

Tony Cloninger
07-06-2008, 02:02 PM
This ump has no zone.....please bring technology into this game and remove all ball and strike calls from these people. They are barely average at it.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 02:02 PM
Votto grounds out to short. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 02:04 PM
Ross grounds out to 3rd. 2 outs.

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 02:04 PM
LOL. "ball 1" was a strike there. Belt high right on the edge. Like I said...tight for both of them. Reds HITTERS need to make the adjustment and stop swinging at the outside stuff.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 02:05 PM
Volquez strikes out looking on a pitch identical to the pitch Young walked in a run on. 3-0 Nationals after 3.

CTA513
07-06-2008, 02:05 PM
35 pitches after 3 innings for the rookie pitcher.

Tony Cloninger
07-06-2008, 02:06 PM
I think i am having a OBM meltdown....this guy is putrid.....does no one on the Reds coaching staff not see this BS?

OnBaseMachine
07-06-2008, 02:06 PM
Volquez has lost some velocity probably due to a tiring arm after 100 innings. He'll bounce back.

Meanwhile Redszone is starting to make me root against Josh Hamilton.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 02:07 PM
Pena singles to center.

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 02:08 PM
Pena with a lead off single.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 02:08 PM
Bernandina singles to right. 1st and 2nd.

CTA513
07-06-2008, 02:09 PM
Maybe he can hit the pitcher again?

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 02:09 PM
Balester sacrifices the runners to 2nd and 3rd. 1 out.

edabbs44
07-06-2008, 02:10 PM
How many bad starts in a row before the Krivsky lovers start thinking Volquez for Hamilton was a bad deal?

I'm awaiting the SD relief appearance angle, myself.

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 02:10 PM
Volquez has lost some velocity probably due to a tiring arm after 100 innings. He'll bounce back.

Where is this lost velocity? I'm seeing 93-96 pretty consistantly. Seems fine.

Back to back singles though. Pitcher up...bunts 2 men over on sac.

WVRedsFan
07-06-2008, 02:10 PM
Umpire or no umpire, Volquez doesn't look good today.

And the Reds are phoning it in at the plate.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 02:11 PM
Diving stop by Phillips saves a run. 2 outs.

OnBaseMachine
07-06-2008, 02:11 PM
Where is this lost velocity? I'm seeing 93-96 pretty consistantly. Seems fine.

Back to back singles though. Pitcher up...bunts 2 men over on sac.

I'm just not seeing it. He hit 90 mph a little while ago. The consistent 94-96 with occasional 97 isn't there right now. I'd like to see him given a few extra days to rest his arm.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 02:12 PM
Belliard grounds out to short. 3-0 Nationals mid 4th.

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 02:12 PM
I'm not sure if anybody's mentioned it before or not, but I hate our catchers. None of them ever present a target. They keep their gloves down until the pitch is on the way. That's horrible technique...and bad coaching not to correct it. If you're tossing up your glove at the last minute how can you frame pitches consistantly and help out your pitcher by stealing close pitches? Horrible.

CTA513
07-06-2008, 02:12 PM
How many bad starts in a row before the Krivsky lovers start thinking Volquez for Hamilton was a bad deal?

Does 3 bad starts wipeout what he did before that?

WVRedsFan
07-06-2008, 02:13 PM
Volquez gets out of the inning.

Now, can we please get a hit off of Cy Young?

RedlegJake
07-06-2008, 02:14 PM
Umpire or no umpire, Volquez doesn't look good today.

And the Reds are phoning it in at the plate.

Moaning about the umps is a loser's mentality. They are what they are. When they're tight like this you adjust or lose. Here's the point so far. The Nats hitters are laying off the outside corner because the ump ain't calling it. Volquez kept throwing it there. Balester isn't throwing there much at all and the Reds hitters aren't laying off it when he does. That's working what you're given. The Reds aren't doing it.

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 02:14 PM
I'm just not seeing it. He hit 90 mph a little while ago. The consistent 94-96 with occasional 97 isn't there right now. I'd like to see him given a few extra days to rest his arm.

Just that inning he hit 95, 94 twice and 93. What gun are you watching? I'm watching the Gameday gun which is pretty consistantly 1-2 mph SLOW all year long.

NJReds
07-06-2008, 02:14 PM
Pitchers have ups and downs during the course of a season. Especially young guys. Cueto did, and now he's bounced back. The league has adjusted to Volquez. Now he's got to adjust what he's doing. He's got good enough stuff that I'm not worried about him doing just that.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 02:15 PM
Hairston flies out to left. 1 out.

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-06-2008, 02:15 PM
Reds taking Sunday off. ...

ZZZzzzzz .....

OnBaseMachine
07-06-2008, 02:16 PM
All you have to do is watch the game and IMO it's clear to me that he hasn't had his best fastball since the start in Yankee Stadium.

VR
07-06-2008, 02:16 PM
Reds taking Sunday off. ...

ZZZzzzzz .....


What is their Sunday record? anyone?

RedlegJake
07-06-2008, 02:16 PM
Pitchers have ups and downs during the course of a season. Especially young guys. Cueto did, and now he's bounced back. The league has adjusted to Volquez. Now he's got to adjust what he's doing. He's got good enough stuff that I'm not worried about him doing just that.

I agree. They aren't hitting him hard, dinks here and there and some command issues that aren't really terrible. And Iagree with Sir Charles..the velocity is there. He's hitting 94-95 consistently and that change is still filthy.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 02:17 PM
Keppinger grounds out to short. 2 outs.

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 02:17 PM
Kepp grounds out. He's really struggling right now. It's like 0-20 now.

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-06-2008, 02:19 PM
Woohoo! The perfect game is over

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 02:19 PM
Finally a baserunner. Junior walks.

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 02:19 PM
Wait...is that a Red on base?!? :O)

WVRedsFan
07-06-2008, 02:19 PM
Kepp grounds out. He's really struggling right now. It's like 0-20 now.
Kepp down to .293 and dropping. And we thought he'd always hit.

Red in Chicago
07-06-2008, 02:19 PM
Moaning about the umps is a loser's mentality. They are what they are. When they're tight like this you adjust or lose. Here's the point so far. The Nats hitters are laying off the outside corner because the ump ain't calling it. Volquez kept throwing it there. Balester isn't throwing there much at all and the Reds hitters aren't laying off it when he does. That's working what you're given. The Reds aren't doing it.

can we please keep this quote out for everytime someone claims adam dunn's strikezone is unfair;)

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 02:20 PM
Now the first hit. Phillips singles to left. 1st and 2nd.

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-06-2008, 02:20 PM
And now the no-hitter is over.

Now let's work on the shutout

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 02:20 PM
There we go. Brandon with a single. 2 on 2 out.

Big Klu
07-06-2008, 02:21 PM
Chris and George are saying that the Reds haven't had an All-Star pitcher since Danny Graves in 2004.

Didn't Bronson Arroyo make the All-Star team in 2006?

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 02:21 PM
Kepp down to .293 and dropping. And we thought he'd always hit.

I still think he will. Everybody has slumps. Especially after a long layoff like a DL stint. He'll be fine.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 02:22 PM
A long homer to right for Dunn! Tie game 3-3!

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-06-2008, 02:22 PM
And shutout gone!

Welcome to Cincinnati, Colin Balester

MrCinatit
07-06-2008, 02:22 PM
Hehehehehehehehehehe.
Take that, leather pants.

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 02:22 PM
Dunner! 3 run dinger!

WVRedsFan
07-06-2008, 02:23 PM
Ah, rookie pitchers. From Cy Young to Jimmie Haynes in an instant.

Big Klu
07-06-2008, 02:23 PM
A long homer to right for Dunn! Tie game 3-3!

I think that thing was still going up when it hit the seats!

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 02:23 PM
Edwin grounds out to 3rd. 3-3 after 4.

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 02:24 PM
Edwin grounds out to end the inning but the Reds tie it up on the Dunn blast.

Big Klu
07-06-2008, 02:24 PM
Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds All-Time Home Run Leaders
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Adam Dunn - 260
5. Ted Kluszewski - 251
6. George Foster - 244
7. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 206
8. Eric Davis - 203
9. Barry Larkin - 198
10. Vada Pinson - 186
11. Wally Post - 172
12. Gus Bell - 160
13. Joe Morgan - 152
13. Pete Rose - 152
15. Lee May - 147
16. Dan Driessen - 133
17. Reggie Sanders - 125
18. Ernie Lombardi - 120
19. Sean Casey - 118
20. Frank McCormick - 110
21. Dave Parker - 107
22. Chris Sabo - 104
23. Dave Concepcion - 101
24. Gordy Coleman - 98
25. Paul O'Neill - 96

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-06-2008, 02:25 PM
Ah, rookie pitchers. From Cy Young to Jimmie Haynes in an instant.

That might be the first time that Cy Young and Jimmie Haynes were used in the same sentence

Tony Cloninger
07-06-2008, 02:25 PM
Good hitting there.....1st strike was a tough pitch...2nd pitch was another...as Tommy Davis would say from Ball Four...well i cannot say what he called it, so never mind.

He waited him out and got a perfect pitch for Dunn to hit.

Ron Madden
07-06-2008, 02:25 PM
I love the fact that Adam Dunn is a Cincinnati Red.



:beerme:

MrCinatit
07-06-2008, 02:26 PM
Chris and George are saying that the Reds haven't had an All-Star pitcher since Danny Graves in 2004.

Didn't Bronson Arroyo make the All-Star team in 2006?

He did, though to be honest, I am not sure if he pitched.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 02:27 PM
Guzman strikes out swinging. 1 out.

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 02:27 PM
K #2 for Edinson. He could really use a nice quick inning here.

OnBaseMachine
07-06-2008, 02:28 PM
Arroyo threw a scoreless inning in the 2006 ASG.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 02:28 PM
Kearns flies out to right. 2 outs.

Tony Cloninger
07-06-2008, 02:28 PM
I agree that I am complaining too much about this ump....but he looks bad....and when you have to adjust by throwing almost right down the plate....have fun trying to pitch that way.

I am not a loser! I am a Reds fan! :D

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 02:28 PM
2 down. Kearns pops out to Junior.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 02:29 PM
Young flies out to right. A quick inning for Volquez. 3-3 mid 5th.

CTA513
07-06-2008, 02:29 PM
Good job by Volquez to have a 1-2-3 inning after the Reds tied it up.

NJReds
07-06-2008, 02:30 PM
Nice work from Volquez. The Reds tie the game and he follows with a quick 1-2-3.

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 02:30 PM
I agree that I am complaining too much about this ump....but he looks bad....and when you have to adjust by throwing almost right down the plate....have fun trying to pitch that way.

I am not a loser! I am a Reds fan! :D

No, you're not complaining too much. He IS bad. A small zone is one thing, but a small INCONSISTANT zone is another. That first pitch to Kearns is a good example. That same pitch, same location...it was a strike to another batter.

The bigger problem is the fact that the Reds hitters aren't adjusting to it like the Nat's hitters have. We're still reaching for pitches.

VR
07-06-2008, 02:31 PM
I haven't been paying too much attention....but Griff didnt' get the AS nod?

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 02:32 PM
4 pitch walk to Votto.

OnBaseMachine
07-06-2008, 02:32 PM
I love the cameo jerseys.

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 02:32 PM
Junior got passed by Braun for the ASG voting just this week. I thought he was a lock due to his vote total. Junior is NOT going. Not that he deserved to be there anyway.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 02:33 PM
Ross doubles down the left field line. 4-3 Reds.

jesusfan
07-06-2008, 02:33 PM
ROSSIE!!!! 4-3 Reds

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 02:34 PM
Okay, Balester just had a rough inning. This is the inning we MUST show patience and work the counts.

Walk by Votto, Double by Ross. 4-3 Reds. Nice!

VR
07-06-2008, 02:34 PM
I wonder if Jr's place as a starter held the Reds back from moving him.

WVRedsFan
07-06-2008, 02:34 PM
ROSSIE!!!! 4-3 Reds

ROSSIE?

RedlegJake
07-06-2008, 02:35 PM
No, you're not complaining too much. He IS bad. A small zone is one thing, but a small INCONSISTANT zone is another. That first pitch to Kearns is a good example. That same pitch, same location...it was a strike to another batter.

The bigger problem is the fact that the Reds hitters aren't adjusting to it like the Nat's hitters have. We're still reaching for pitches.

Absolutely. I'm not saying the ump is good but he is what he is and if you don't adjust to him you're in for a long night. And - he's been bad both ways so the team that adjusts has an edge.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 02:35 PM
Volquez reaches base as the ball goes right past Young on the bunt for an error. 1st and 3rd.

jesusfan
07-06-2008, 02:35 PM
Let's bust this wide open!

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 02:36 PM
Sac & error. 1st and 3rd no outs. Keep showing patience!

RedlegJake
07-06-2008, 02:36 PM
The Reds are starting to zero in on this kid now that they've seen him through the lineup

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 02:36 PM
Volquez just announced as an All Star. No surprise of course.

jesusfan
07-06-2008, 02:36 PM
Let's root for the cubs today too.... a win and a cards loss. we're 7 GB!!!

VR
07-06-2008, 02:36 PM
EV officially an all-star. Lincecum should start at this point?

WVRedsFan
07-06-2008, 02:37 PM
I wonder if Jr's place as a starter held the Reds back from moving him.Nope, VR.

Nobody wants him at his level of salary. He will not be traded.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 02:37 PM
Hairston grounds into a 4-6 FC. 5-3 Reds. 1 out.

jesusfan
07-06-2008, 02:37 PM
5-3 on the FC... almost a DP... now hairston is hurt... crap... please be okay...

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 02:38 PM
Hairston plates one! Force out of Volkie at 2nd. 5-3. Hairston may be injured. Crapola!

WVRedsFan
07-06-2008, 02:38 PM
Wasn't he hurt at the end of last night's game?

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 02:38 PM
Grabbing his lower back. That's not a good sign.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 02:39 PM
Keppinger flies out to left. 2 outs.

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 02:39 PM
Why are they leaving him in? Pull him and put in Bruce. Why take a chance?

jesusfan
07-06-2008, 02:39 PM
I would've never believed I'd be mad if Hairston had gotten hurt... Before the year I would have told ya you were crazy!

Chip R
07-06-2008, 02:40 PM
Chris and George are saying that the Reds haven't had an All-Star pitcher since Danny Graves in 2004.

Didn't Bronson Arroyo make the All-Star team in 2006?


Quiet, you. ;)

jesusfan
07-06-2008, 02:40 PM
5-3 after 5...

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 02:40 PM
Junior grounds out to short. 5-3 Reds after 5.

OnBaseMachine
07-06-2008, 02:41 PM
Hopefully Volquez can give us another scoreless inning making it a quality start and then the bullpen can hold it and give Edinson his 11th win.

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 02:42 PM
1. Alfonso Soriano, 2,120,635
2. Ken Griffey Jr., 1,917,739
3. Kosuke Fukudome, 1,783,983
4. Ryan Braun, 1,751,058
5. Matt Holliday, 1,069,940

As of June 29th. So in one week, Braun made up that difference. Impressive fan voting. I don't have the final numbers though. Still very surprising.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 02:43 PM
Lo Duca flies out to right. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 02:45 PM
Pena strikes out swinging. 3 Ks. 2 outs.

Screwball
07-06-2008, 02:46 PM
I think Wily Mo was trying to hit the Toyota truck on that last swing.

Tony Cloninger
07-06-2008, 02:47 PM
I wrote he looked hurt last night....i did not agree with sending him...I guess no trust in Dunn to get it in? ;)

Griffey did not deserve to go....but it would not have been a terrible thing....people respect him for what he has done....just glad some fans in the Midwest are paying attention to good young players like Braun.

Chip R
07-06-2008, 02:47 PM
I think Wily Mo was trying to hit the Toyota truck on that last swing.


If anyone could do it, he could.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 02:48 PM
Bernadina grounds out to 2nd. 5-3 Reds mid 6th.

Red in Chicago
07-06-2008, 02:49 PM
I wrote he looked hurt last night....i did not agree with sending him...I guess no trust in Dunn to get it in? ;)

Griffey did not deserve to go....but it would not have been a terrible thing....people respect him for what he has done....just glad some fans in the Midwest are paying attention to good young players like Braun.

unless he can do something with that .319 obp, he doesn't really deserve to go either

Tony Cloninger
07-06-2008, 02:49 PM
Talking about adjusting to the umps zone in regards to Reds hitters is very tricky....beacuse they always seemed to show a lack of adjusting to pitchers.

Guy pitches outside and they keep trying to pull the ball ( i.e. Glavine)....either way....jacoby does not get fired today. :D

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 02:49 PM
89 pitches through 6 for Volquez.

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 02:49 PM
Ground out to Brandon. 3 up 3 down. 2 nice back to back innings. Let's keep the pressure on. Patience! The Reds coaching staff should be yelling that at the hitters as they leave the dugout for every at-bat.

NJReds
07-06-2008, 02:50 PM
Good to see Volquez bounce back after a rough start. Back-to-back '1-2-3' innings.

OnBaseMachine
07-06-2008, 02:50 PM
If someone reaches base next inning then I'd probably go to the bullpen.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 02:52 PM
Phillips doubles down the left field line.

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 02:53 PM
Is there anybody in the NL hotter than Phillips right now? :O)

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 02:55 PM
Yeah, he's shaken up. This kid is all over the place now.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 02:55 PM
Dunn strikes out swinging. 1 out.

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 02:56 PM
Dunn k's.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 02:57 PM
Encarnacion flies out to left. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 02:58 PM
Intentional walk to Votto. 1st and 2nd.

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 03:01 PM
Brandon Phillips isn't even on the final vote ballot. That's a real shame. Just pitiful.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 03:01 PM
Ross hit by the pitch. Bases loaded.

toledodan
07-06-2008, 03:02 PM
why not bruce instead of valentin.

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 03:02 PM
Ross HBP. Bases jacked. Valentine pinch hitting for Volkie.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 03:02 PM
Valentin hitting for Volquez.
New pitcher coming in.

jesusfan
07-06-2008, 03:02 PM
ROSSIE HBP... bases jacked for Big Valbowski!

OnBaseMachine
07-06-2008, 03:02 PM
Let's see. We got the bases loaded and two outs and Jay Bruce on the bench. Nah we'll instead use Valentin. Goodness. Using Bruce here is a no-brainer to me.

Screwball
07-06-2008, 03:03 PM
Valentin hitting for Volquez.
New pitcher coming in.

Volquez's final line: 6.0 IP, 5 H, 3 ER, 3 K, 3 BB, 2.36 ERA

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 03:04 PM
Double switch. Jesus Colome in to pitch. Harris in to play center.

Ron Madden
07-06-2008, 03:04 PM
I hope Valentin crushes one but I woulda went with Jay Bruce.

;)

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 03:05 PM
Valentin flies out to right on the first pitch. 5-3 Reds after 6.

OnBaseMachine
07-06-2008, 03:05 PM
One pitch flyout for Valentin.

Where the heck is Bruce? Another bad move.

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 03:06 PM
Pat Burrell
Corey Hart
Carlos Lee
Aaron Rowand
David Wright

These are the five on the final ballot. Rowand? Really?

Rowand .303 avg / 8 hr / 47 rbi / 1 sb / 40 runs
Phillips .289 avg / 14 hr / 56 rbi / 17 sb / 50 runs

That's just wrong.

Puig Your Red
07-06-2008, 03:06 PM
Why didn't he use Bruce?

Homer Bailey
07-06-2008, 03:06 PM
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes:Dusty..... Javy has a career average pinch hitting under .200
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :thumbdown:thumbdown:thumbdown:thumbdown:thumbdown :bang::bang::bang::bang::cry::cry::cry::cry::help: :help::help::bash::bash::shocked::scared::scared:: dunno::dunno:

OnBaseMachine
07-06-2008, 03:07 PM
Hopefully the awful decision to use Valentin over Bruce doesn't come back to haunt the Reds.

OnBaseMachine
07-06-2008, 03:07 PM
Not a bad start for Volquez considering he didn't have great stuff.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 03:08 PM
Bill Bray in to pitch

Homer Bailey
07-06-2008, 03:08 PM
Time for Bray to be clutch for once.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 03:09 PM
Harris strikes out swinging. 1 out.

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 03:09 PM
Harris goes down swinging. Nice start by Bray.

jesusfan
07-06-2008, 03:10 PM
double by Lopez...

Homer Bailey
07-06-2008, 03:10 PM
Felipe freakin Lopez with a double RIGHT HANDED against Bray.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 03:10 PM
Lopez doubles to center.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 03:13 PM
Belliard grounds out to short. 2 outs.

Homer Bailey
07-06-2008, 03:14 PM
Guzman hitting .374 as a righty.

Homer Bailey
07-06-2008, 03:15 PM
Bray gets him swinging. Nice job Bill.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 03:15 PM
Guzman strikes out swinging. 5-3 Reds mid 7th.

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 03:15 PM
Guzman k's. 5-3 Reds in the middle of 7.

VR
07-06-2008, 03:15 PM
Christian Guzman is your All-Star rep.

OnBaseMachine
07-06-2008, 03:15 PM
Nice job by Bray.

Hopefully the offense can get some insurance runs and give Cordero the day off.

VR
07-06-2008, 03:16 PM
Time for Bray to be clutch for once.

Clutch or not that inning?

Homer Bailey
07-06-2008, 03:18 PM
Clutch or not that inning?

That, I must say, was clutch. The fact that it is the Washington Nationals didn't hurt. Sorry I'm not much of a Bray fan.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 03:19 PM
Hairston lines a single to center.

OnBaseMachine
07-06-2008, 03:19 PM
If the Reds win this game they'll be back to just four games under .500. Could be a lot better than that. They could have easily swept the Pirates, or taken 2 of 3 at worst. They gave away the game on Tuesday night against the Pirates. Win that game and the Reds would be 43-46 with a chance to go 44-46 after this game.

Homer Bailey
07-06-2008, 03:19 PM
Hopefully the awful decision to use Valentin over Bruce doesn't come back to haunt the Reds.

Don't we basically hope and pray this everytime Dusty makes a decision?

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 03:21 PM
Hairston steals 2nd. His 15th steal.

Screwball
07-06-2008, 03:22 PM
Wow, that was a pretty bad throw by LoDuca. A decent one probably gets Hairston there.

Tony Cloninger
07-06-2008, 03:22 PM
I agree.....i think Darrell Chaney would be a better option.....that pitch...sure he just missed it...if he had thrown it to Bruce.....with his height....i think he drives that one better instead of uppercutting it like Valentin did.

I call that a GAB....swing....trying to hit a HR when a single would do.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 03:22 PM
Keppinger grounds out. Hairston to 3rd. 1 out.

OnBaseMachine
07-06-2008, 03:23 PM
Need to get this run in. Need all the insurance runs we can get so they can give Cordero the day off.

VR
07-06-2008, 03:23 PM
If the Reds win this game they'll be back to just four games under .500. Could be a lot better than that. They could have easily swept the Pirates, or taken 2 of 3 at worst. They gave away the game on Tuesday night against the Pirates. Win that game and the Reds would be 43-46 with a chance to go 44-46 after this game.

It really has been a case of missed opportunities for the team this year. They've gotten plenty of breaks, but seldom make their own, and quite often give breaks to the other team with their poor baserunning and fielding.

Screwball
07-06-2008, 03:23 PM
I agree.....i think Darrell Chaney would be a better option.....that pitch...sure he just missed it...if he had thrown it to Bruce.....with his height....i think he drives that one better instead of uppercutting it like Valentin did.


That's what I thought too. Fastball up and over the heart of the plate... my guess is Bruce would've smoked it.

kaldaniels
07-06-2008, 03:24 PM
If the Reds win this game they'll be back to just four games under .500. Could be a lot better than that. They could have easily swept the Pirates, or taken 2 of 3 at worst. They gave away the game on Tuesday night against the Pirates. Win that game and the Reds would be 43-46 with a chance to go 44-46 after this game.

When I am doing what ifs...the first game that comes to mind is the 2nd Cody Ross game in Florida. Ugh.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 03:24 PM
Charlie Manning in to pitch.

OnBaseMachine
07-06-2008, 03:25 PM
When I am doing what ifs...the first game that comes to mind is the 2nd Cody Ross game in Florida. Ugh.

That was a killer, as was the loss in San Diego. Not only did the Reds lose the game but it caused Harang to go in a tailspin which cost them a few more wins IMO.

WVRedsFan
07-06-2008, 03:25 PM
Need to get this run in. Need all the insurance runs we can get so they can give Cordero the day off.

I don't think you got a $40+ million closer if he can't go three days in a row. Sorry. I think Codero has been mighty shaky for most of the season. He's very hittable and walks too many. The early excuse was he wasn't getting enough work. Now that he is, he needs rest. :confused:

Homer Bailey
07-06-2008, 03:25 PM
Griff NEEDS to get this run in.

Homer Bailey
07-06-2008, 03:26 PM
I don't think you got a $40+ million closer if he can't go three days in a row. Sorry. I think Codero has been mighty shaky for most of the season. He's very hittable and walks too many. The early excuse was he wasn't getting enough work. Now that he is, he needs rest. :confused:

This would be 4 days in a row.

Homer Bailey
07-06-2008, 03:26 PM
The Hall of a Famer can't lift a fly ball so the run doesn't score.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 03:26 PM
Junior grounds out to short. Hairston holds at 3rd. 2 outs.

redsrule2500
07-06-2008, 03:26 PM
Ugh, Griff can't even get a sac fly.....

Grounds out. 2 out.

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 03:28 PM
Ugh, Griff can't even get a sac fly.....

Grounds out. 2 out.

There aren't many on our team that come thru with sac flies. As usual, poor excecution.

Reds Fanatic
07-06-2008, 03:28 PM
Phillips walks. 1st and 3rd.

Razor Shines
07-06-2008, 03:29 PM
The Hall of a Famer can't lift a fly ball so the run doesn't score.

He hit a line drive. He was unlucky.

_Sir_Charles_
07-06-2008, 03:29 PM
Brandon walks.