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NorrisHopper30
07-07-2008, 05:21 PM
Any avid players? I used to play a few years ago but have forgotten what site I played on.

I'm looking for advice on the best free sites available that you play on..thanks.

:thumbup:

Deepred05
07-07-2008, 05:43 PM
I like partypoker.com for the free site. I don't play on the money sites anymore...

NorrisHopper30
07-07-2008, 05:44 PM
I like partypoker.com for the free site. I don't play on the money sites anymore...

Do you download it on that or play it via the website?

Deepred05
07-07-2008, 05:54 PM
download, I have over 100 million points so if you sign up maybe i can transfer some to you

NorrisHopper30
07-07-2008, 06:10 PM
I just downloaded it, no need to transfer any points yet..I want to get back on top of my game before I borrow anything.

Thanks!

Fon Duc Tow
07-11-2008, 10:40 AM
If it isn't with real money, it isn't really poker.

I have played free and money sites. Free sites got old quickly. All-ins every 5 seconds. Money sites are illegal now in US I think.

Good times.

Sean_CaseyRules
07-11-2008, 01:53 PM
I play on Poker Stars. I really like it, and you can play for money on it.

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 03:37 PM
If it isn't with real money, it isn't really poker.

I have played free and money sites. Free sites got old quickly. All-ins every 5 seconds. Money sites are illegal now in US I think.

Good times.

I agree. I stopped playing online poker because it was effecting how I was playing real poker. I need to play in a good tournament soon, its been a few months.

texasdave
07-11-2008, 04:34 PM
Hey, Doug, just hope this computer doesn't enter your tourney. The computer chip might just end up with all the poker chips. =)

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/100/story/43658.html

*BaseClogger*
07-11-2008, 11:10 PM
I think it was FullTilt I played for a while. Got pretty boring because as others said nobody took it seriously...

Homer Bailey
07-13-2008, 03:25 AM
I got back in the game on June 19th. Bought in 50 for a tournament on Ultimate bet and won the 193 person tourney for $2,700. Now I'm playing on UB and on Poker Stars and I'm up about $4,500 over the last 3 weeks. First tourney I bought in on Poker stars my uncle gave me 11 dollars to enter a 180 person sit and go, and I ended up winning it for $540. Playin in the Sunday 200K giveaway tomorrow hopin to hit it for 5 figures.

SirFelixCat
07-14-2008, 09:12 AM
Online poker is NOT illegal here in the US.

The only two reputable sites left for US players are FullTilt and PokerStars. Both Absolute Poker and UB have had insiders w/i the company use "superuser" accounts to bilk millions out of high stakes players. They are both owned/run by the same company.

That said, FT and PS are completely safe and 100% legal to US residents over 18.

If you're new to the game, I'd suggest PS since they have uber-micro stakes (1 cent/2 cent) but if you ever get serious about cash games, FT is the way to go, just make sure when you sign up, you go thru an affiliate to get yourself rakeback. Otherwise, if you make an account w/o it, you can never get it in the future.

Good luck and have fun!

top6
07-14-2008, 09:40 AM
Online poker is NOT illegal here in the US.

...

That said, FT and PS are completely safe and 100% legal to US residents over 18.



I would strongly encourage people to research this issue on their own, and reach their own determination about whether online poker is legal or illegal. Also, I would encourage people to research their state laws.

It makes me sad that online poker may be illegal, as I cannot fathom why it is the government's business. But I'm not sure if I agree with your analysis as to what the law actually is.

SirFelixCat
07-14-2008, 05:58 PM
What is the current legal situation of online poker in the United States?

The short answer is that, with a few exceptions, no one knows for sure.

At the Federal level there is no law that specifically addresses online poker. For many years now the DOJ and the FBI have maintained that the Federal law known has the WIRE ACT makes online poker illegal. This law, however, has been held by two Federal Courts of Appeal to apply only to sports betting. Also, the WIRE ACT itself only criminalizes the provider of the "gambling" service, not the individual bettor. Until and unless the US Supreme Court takes a case and overturns the decisions of these Courts of Appeal, it is therefore safe to conclude that no Federal law makes online poker illegal.

In the US, however, citizens are also subject to state law. A few states specifically make playing online poker illegal. Although no one has yet to be arrested under any such law, if you play online poker from one of those states, it is a crime.

Most state laws say nothing about playing online or about poker specifically. Virtually all states have laws against "gambling" outside of licensed Brick and Mortar casinos. Most states define gambling as wagering on a game of chance. A game of chance is usually defined as a game where the outcome is more dependent on chance than on skill. That is still an open legal question in most states, as is whether these general anti-gambling laws apply to the internet.

Further complicating the answer, in the fall of 2006, the United States passed legislation that significantly altered the landscape in the online poker arena. The SAFE Port Act included legislative language commonly referred to the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act (UIEGA).

This law focused on halting the electronic transfer of money to gambling sites in relation to unlawful Internet gambling. It did not define "unlawful internet gambling" in any new way, however, instead it said unlawful internet gambling is that which was already illegal under any state or federal law. Subsequently, Party Poker withdrew from the United States market, as did many other smaller poker sites. Major electronic financial service companies such as Neteller found themselves in the middle of this and also withdrew from the market.

The legislation did nothing to change the status of internet poker players and did not focus any of its efforts on penalizing or criminalizing players. Rather, the measures focused on those companies that choose to accept and process financial transactions that are deemed related to illegal internet gambling.

Several major sites still allow United States players to play and there are methods for getting money into and out of these sites. Whether a site that only offers poker, and whether a money transfer to sites that only offer poker, are breaking this new law is a hotly debated question, and the answer depends on a lot of other questions involving individual state laws, foreign treaties, interstate commerce, and other issues.

Under the UIGEA, the United States has also issued additional regulations relating to this law. On October 1, 2007, the proposed regulations were published and open for comment. A discussion of the proposed regulations can be found here.

Throughout this forum you will find threads and posts discussing the ongoing debate over online poker's legal status. Until the Courts rule, or new legislation passes, however, the answer will remain (except in those few states where its a listed criminal offense) no one knows for certain.

top6
07-14-2008, 06:13 PM
The United States Department of Justice would disagree with that analysis, wherever it came from.

In any event, online gambling is expressly illegal in several states - including Illinois and Nevada (surprise! I wonder who is really against online gambling!)

Online gambling may be a victimless crime, laws against it may be impossible to enforce against individuals, and the laws may be a hypocritical joke, given that the government allows lotteries, bets on horse racing, etc. But none of that impacts whether or not it is legal.

Deepred05
07-14-2008, 08:32 PM
No question Nevada is against the online gaming, but once upon a time, they were leading the charge to make it legal. Their reputation alone would kill off these sites in short order. I know I for one would feel more secure knowing that Caesers and the Nevada Gaming Commission was guaranteeing my payoffs.

Homer Bailey
07-23-2008, 03:27 AM
I'm now up $7,200 over the last month. I used to play a ton of poker but took some time off because of bad beats, but I've got my game back pretty well. I kind of forgot how good I was. :beerme: Here's a link to some of my stats.


http://www.officialpokerrankings.com/pokerstars/solomocm/poker/results/7EA34D40FAC6442E8E56EF5EB4D64E3C.html?t=2


http://www.bluffmagazine.com/thepokerdb/WVUWhite/UltimateBet/4387294/player-profile.asp

RBA
11-30-2008, 09:02 PM
Just watched 60 Minutes and I wouldn't trust any online poker systems after watching it. Think about it, any two or more players could be in cahoots together and you would never know.

GAC
11-30-2008, 09:08 PM
Just watched 60 Minutes and I wouldn't trust any online poker systems after watching it. Think about it, any two or more players could be in cahoots together and you would never know.

Just got done watching the same program. I agree. Thank God I've never had the gambling bug.

oneupper
12-01-2008, 02:13 AM
I've been gambling online for about 15 years.
They call it the "stock market". :D

Caveat Emperor
12-01-2008, 02:34 AM
I liked playing online poker when I was in law school -- several people I know made a good bit of spare change off it.

I never have enough cash just in the bank to sit down in a poker room at a casino (most of which you need at least $200 for), but I was a fan of playing in $5 or $10 tournaments where the stakes are just high enough (once the idiots go out) for people to take it seriously but the initial cash outlay is relatively small.

Online poker filled that fun niche, but I haven't played in a while.

Boston Red
12-01-2008, 03:06 AM
The DOJ says online gambling is illegal, but they have never really made a good argument for their position. They point to the Wire Act, but the text of the Wire Act makes it pretty clear that it is not aimed at players (it outlaws activities "in the business" of gambling). So far as I know, no individual gambler has ever been prosecuted by the Feds for online gamling.

Redsfaithful
12-01-2008, 01:35 PM
A kid I coached a few years ago (high school tennis) won $70k in a Poker Stars tournament about a month ago.

I think as long as you stick with Full Tilt and Poker Stars there's nothing to worry about. The games there are legit. You play at some of the smaller sites (like Ultimate Bet) then who knows.

And the ban on online gambling is ridiculous. Tax it and regulate it, and everyone would be better off.

Mario-Rijo
12-01-2008, 03:55 PM
Just watched 60 Minutes and I wouldn't trust any online poker systems after watching it. Think about it, any two or more players could be in cahoots together and you would never know.

Yeah I saw that as well. I like poker also but never play for money online. But for fun I will occasionally play.

LawFive
12-01-2008, 07:03 PM
How does one go about depositing money to these sites anymore? I thought they weren't allowed to take payments from US bank accounts or credit cards.

RedlegJake
12-01-2008, 10:52 PM
A kid I coached a few years ago (high school tennis) won $70k in a Poker Stars tournament about a month ago.

I think as long as you stick with Full Tilt and Poker Stars there's nothing to worry about. The games there are legit. You play at some of the smaller sites (like Ultimate Bet) then who knows.

And the ban on online gambling is ridiculous. Tax it and regulate it, and everyone would be better off.

That's really all the laws boil down to. Uncle Sam and the states don;t get a cut. Find a way to account for the monies and tax it and the government will endorse it.

Boston Red
12-02-2008, 11:00 AM
I thought they weren't allowed to take payments from US bank accounts or credit cards.


U.S. banks and credit card companies are supposed to find a way to not allow payments to gamling companies (many of which, thankfully, have not yet managed to comply). What the companies are "allowed" to do according to the U.S. Congress is sort of irrelevant since they are not under U.S. jurisdiction.