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Griffey012
07-08-2008, 07:35 PM
According to www.MLBTradeRumors.com the cubs got Harden for Sean Gallagher and Matt Murton.

Harden seems like just the pitcher the cubs are used to, injured all the time. Maybe he is finally over his injury history though.

thatcoolguy_22
07-08-2008, 07:37 PM
wow!

if true that is

wow

however due to the numerous false reports that lace mlbtraderummors.com I will not believe it until reported on by a reliable site... :)

schmidty622
07-08-2008, 07:38 PM
I wonder if the Reds will face him this series?

redlegs7089
07-08-2008, 07:39 PM
what the heck if the price was taht cheap we should of gone for it

thatcoolguy_22
07-08-2008, 07:42 PM
as of now 6:38pm nothing posted on Cubs Website or anywhere else on the internet that I have seen after an exhaustive search (for 4 minutes)

if true though i say again... Wow!

schmidty622
07-08-2008, 07:42 PM
what the heck if the price was taht cheap we should of gone for it

The Reds don't have a Gallagher or Murton to trade and they are sellers, not buyers.

wojo1025
07-08-2008, 07:46 PM
as of now 6:38pm nothing posted on Cubs Website or anywhere else on the internet that I have seen after an exhaustive search (for 4 minutes)

if true though i say again... Wow!

It was just announced on ESPN News

schmidty622
07-08-2008, 07:51 PM
Uh, They got Chad Gaudin too. That's a great trade for them. Peace 2009 Reds. Maybe 2010 will be the year, but probably not.

Griffey012
07-08-2008, 07:54 PM
I am a little skeptical of the site too, but usually they just have rumored trades not actual reported trades. The cubs also gave up Eric Patterson and a catching prospect, Josh Donaldson who is their 7th rated prospect preseason.

thorn
07-08-2008, 07:54 PM
This should solidify the Reds as sellers, no way we will catch the Brewers or the Cubs. Sell Walt, Sell!

markymark69
07-08-2008, 07:59 PM
Hal McCoy mentioned that it could happen on his blog about 4:30 or so. That's a lot of smoke for it not to be true.

REDSEER
07-08-2008, 07:59 PM
Wow...unbelievable....the Cubs just got a guy with electric stuff for B level prospects....why do guys never drop into our laps like this?

redhawk61
07-08-2008, 08:01 PM
This should solidify the Reds as sellers, no way we will catch the Brewers or the Cubs. Sell Walt, Sell!
thats what I am hoping

captainmorgan07
07-08-2008, 08:04 PM
The market for Bronson Arroyo continues to get stronger and stronger. With some of the top pitchers already moving the calls for bronson will start to come more frequently now.

CarolinaRedleg
07-08-2008, 08:11 PM
Fay confirmed it...

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=blog07&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3ae57bcc87-152a-4f72-96fb-cc08b1f396efPost%3ac143d9ca-5c65-4885-9d7e-72d900898613&sid=sitelife.cincinnati.com

redhawk61
07-08-2008, 08:12 PM
The market for Bronson Arroyo continues to get stronger and stronger. With some of the top pitchers already moving the calls for bronson will start to come more frequently now.
best left our him. Bedard and Burnett by my calculations.

Maybe Walt saw all this comin and held off on movin him.

Red Daddy
07-08-2008, 08:53 PM
Didn't the A's want Bailey, Cueto, and Votto from us? Maybe not Votto, but definitely Bailey and Cueto. This sux.

Hondo
07-08-2008, 09:02 PM
The Reds don't have a Gallagher or Murton to trade and they are sellers, not buyers.

Both those guys are scrubs... Beane got ripped...

thatcoolguy_22
07-08-2008, 09:17 PM
Wow...unbelievable....the Cubs just got a guy with electric stuff for B level prospects....why do guys never drop into our laps like this?

we are usually on the selling side of the exchange

Redeye fly
07-08-2008, 11:27 PM
Both those guys are scrubs... Beane got ripped...

Unless Beane thought Harden would always be injury prone and felt there were suitable replacements in the organization.

Murton isn't that bad. He could have been a useful platoon guy at the least for a team like the Reds, being a righty swinger with a bit of pop... someone that comes in handy against lefties.

On paper, given skill sets, talent, possible remaining upside, I would maybe agree. But given Harden's injury history, who really knows?

Natty Redlocks
07-08-2008, 11:46 PM
Wow...unbelievable....the Cubs just got a guy with electric stuff for B level prospects....why do guys never drop into our laps like this?

That's exactly what Cub fans said about Josh Hamilton.

superred
07-08-2008, 11:57 PM
how long do the cubs have harden under his current contract

Ahhhorsepoo
07-09-2008, 10:59 AM
wow.. matt murton was the key to that trade.. a player who seemingly has gotten worse as his time in the bigs has gone on.. you are telling me we cant use one of our backup outfielders, and a few mediocre minor league players to trade for that.. then our front office is dumber than i thought..

levydl
07-09-2008, 11:23 AM
how long do the cubs have harden under his current contract

Thru '09.

PTI (pti)
07-09-2008, 02:04 PM
I'd love to know what other teams were offering the Athletics in return, b/c it appears they got absolutely screwed. I don't care how injury-prone Rich Harden is, if the guy can hang on for about 3 more months, he could help someone win a World Series ring.

You'd also have to believe that there's some knucklehead out there that truly believes Rich Harden is healthy now for good, and was willing to give him a lot more than Beane got from the Cubs.

Ohioballplayer
07-09-2008, 02:36 PM
For the price the Cubbies gave who cares. I say this was a baseball savvy move by the Cubbies GM.

NarrowStairs
07-09-2008, 05:01 PM
Why couldn't we have given up
Bailey
Stubbs
Dickerson
Andy Phillips

That's basically equal to what the Cubs gave up - probably an even better deal.

Ahhhorsepoo
07-09-2008, 05:51 PM
while we might have a problem with bailey.. that deal is way better than what the cubbies gave up..

NarrowStairs
07-10-2008, 01:27 AM
Is it true that Harden's fastball was down 7-10 MPH during his final start for the A's?

NarrowStairs
07-10-2008, 01:28 AM
Because when something looks too good to be true (and this looks WAY too good to be true for Chicago), it usually is.

I hope Harden is hurt and goes into a downward spiral, and turns into Mark Prior.

I hate the Cubs, their fans, and the city of Chicago T H A T much.

Blue
07-12-2008, 01:15 AM
I tend to deride, chide, and belittle Cubs prospects because, well, I hate the Chicago Cubs. My initial reaction upon learning of the deal was the same as most in this thread. However, I just saw some highlights of Gallagher pitching in his first A's game tonight, and he looked like Stud McStudly. He threw a fastball 96 mph and really snapped off some sliders. Maybe this was an even swap at worst for the A's when you consider Harden's injury history and salary.

Newman4
07-12-2008, 06:38 PM
If Harden is healthy, his career numbers are as good as anyone. Much better than CC even. Even if Gallagher turns out good, more than likely he won't resemble anything close to Harden.

Blue
07-12-2008, 07:18 PM
If Harden is healthy, his career numbers are as good as anyone. Much better than CC even. Even if Gallagher turns out good, more than likely he won't resemble anything close to Harden.

Right. Its possible for him to string together several good and healthy seasons ala Chris Carpenter. Its also possible for him to never again make 30 starts in a season.