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Danny Serafini
07-08-2008, 08:23 PM
Just mentioned during the broadcast, San Diego offered Carlos Guevara back to the Reds. The Reds are letting them keep him in exchange for cash or a PTBNL.

_Sir_Charles_
07-08-2008, 08:25 PM
Thank you. I missed the very beginning of that and have been searching to see who Marty was talking about.

RedsManRick
07-08-2008, 08:25 PM
In SD: 4.2 IP, 3 H, 4 K, 1 BB, 1 HR
In Portland: 6 IP, 2 H, 5 K, 1 BB, 0 HR

Why would we want that? Sigh...

Joseph
07-08-2008, 08:41 PM
He's Danny Herrera redux. Maybe Walt just decided he didn't need two of the same trick pitchers.

Or maybe the Padres offered a respectable PTBNL.

Patrick Bateman
07-08-2008, 08:52 PM
In SD: 4.2 IP, 3 H, 4 K, 1 BB, 1 HR
In Portland: 6 IP, 2 H, 5 K, 1 BB, 0 HR

Why would we want that? Sigh...

Well we now have 3 major league GM's (Towers, Jocketty, Krivsky) who all see a 25 year old reliever that isn't a major league quality pitcher. One of which heaviliy looks at stats.

The Padres, a team not in contention, that theoretically has nothing to lose by keeping him in at the back of the bullpen, had no qualms about tossing him away.

I continue to fail to see all of the hair pulling and teeth grinding over a 25 year old guy with middle relief upside.

BuckeyeRedleg
07-08-2008, 08:53 PM
Yet McBeth, Majewski, and Coffey still occupy spots on the 40-man roster.

Sad.

redsmetz
07-08-2008, 08:59 PM
Yet McBeth, Majewski, and Coffey still occupy spots on the 40-man roster.

Sad.

With the possible exception of Majewski, I'd put Coffey and McBeth at the same level as Guevara. As someone noted, I don't understand the great love for a guy who seems to be an ordinary pitcher.

BuckeyeRedleg
07-08-2008, 09:08 PM
With the possible exception of Majewski, I'd put Coffey and McBeth at the same level as Guevara. As someone noted, I don't understand the great love for a guy who seems to be an ordinary pitcher.

Seems to be ordinary based on what?

His minor league numbers certainly have not been ordinary.

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/G/Carlos-Guevara.shtml

I'll take 11.55 K/9 any day.

hebroncougar
07-08-2008, 09:24 PM
It's simple, he doesn't give up HR's the way Reds pitcher's have to. They don't want him not fitting in.:D

Wheelhouse
07-08-2008, 11:02 PM
The PTBL choices could be some catching? I wouldn't mind that... I just don't see how a move can be criticized when the players are not known.

Joseph
07-08-2008, 11:38 PM
He was a minor leaguer who never failed in the bigs, the unknown...the promise yet to be realized.

We have the optimists, the pessimists, and the ones who think every minor league player will pan out and be the next HoFer.

He might, who knows, but the pitching starved Padres and Reds don't think he's worth a spot on the 40 man, so that tells me enough.

camisadelgolf
07-09-2008, 03:39 AM
Why is everyone complaining about Jocketty not doing anything? This is already the seventh trade Wayne Jocketty has made. :D

BuckeyeRedleg
07-09-2008, 10:24 AM
He might, who knows, but the pitching starved Padres and Reds don't think he's worth a spot on the 40 man, so that tells me enough.

The Reds and Padres are two of the worst baseball organizations of the past 30 years.

Off the top of my head, the only non-expansion teams I consider worse are the Royals and Pirates. Possibly the Orioles and Brewers as well, but the Brewers appear to be on their way. Finally.

princeton
07-09-2008, 10:36 AM
there hasn't been a successful little righty screwballer in 30 years.

now if he were lefty, he'd be in Cincy right now.

Danny Herrerra has a much better future.

RedsManRick
07-09-2008, 10:57 AM
I guess I'd rather a guy fail before giving up on him. We'll stick with guys who have proven an inability to get out major leaguers, but aren't interested in a guy who's had nothing but success?


there hasn't been a successful little righty screwballer in 30 years.

And how many little righty screwballers have failed? I'm guessing the sample size is pretty small to begin with.

As for his size, two of the greatest pitchers of this era were righties with less than impressive stature --- Pedro and Maddux. Guevara is comparable in size to those two.

redsmetz
07-09-2008, 11:00 AM
I guess I'd rather a guy fail before giving up on him. We'll stick with guys who have proven an inability to get out major leaguers, but aren't interested in a guy who's had nothing but success?

But the fact is, I think, that he hasn't been succeeding in San Diego either, hence their offering him back. It strikes me as strange that folks insist this was a horrible move when the club who claimed him was willing to cut him loose. Of course, now he can go back down and try to straighten himself out, but it's still not a given that he'll make it as a ML pitcher.

RedsManRick
07-09-2008, 11:02 AM
But the fact is, I think, that he hasn't been succeeding in San Diego either, hence their offering him back. It strikes me as strange that folks insist this was a horrible move when the club who claimed him was willing to cut him loose. Of course, now he can go back down and try to straighten himself out, but it's still not a given that he'll make it as a ML pitcher.

bad data -- nm

RedsManRick
07-09-2008, 11:07 AM
Apparently I was looking at some old numbers. The up to date ones certainly don't look so hot.

12.1 IP
5.84 ERA
13 H
2 HR
11 K
9 BB

I'd still rather have him around than Jon Atkins, but certainly not worth losing sleep over.

lollipopcurve
07-09-2008, 11:19 AM
I'd still rather have him around than Jon Atkins, but certainly not worth losing sleep over.

Oh, come on. It's getting tougher, but can't more blood be shed over the loss of Guevara? Might as well sacrifice Atkins....

princeton
07-09-2008, 11:25 AM
I guess I'd rather a guy fail before giving up on him.

I'd rather have a guy fail after we give up on him

we let too much failure occur in Cincinnati. it must be avoided

camisadelgolf
07-09-2008, 01:05 PM
I'd rather a guy fail after as a member of an opposing team--not while on the Reds.

camisadelgolf
08-20-2008, 02:24 PM
Here's a small update. Guevara has struggled both with the Padres and their AAA squad.

Year Ag Tm Lg W L G GS CG SHO GF SV IP H R ER HR BB SO HBP WP BFP IBB BK ERA WHIP
+--------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+---+---+-----+----+
2008 26 SDP NL 1 0 10 0 0 0 6 0 12.3 13 9 8 2 9 11 0 3 60 2 0 5.84 1.78
2008 26 POR PCL 0 3 16 0 0 0 8 2 18.0 16 13 13 1 9 20 1 2 80 0 0 6.50 1.39
+--------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+---+---+-----+----+
TOTAL 1 3 26 0 0 0 14 2 30.3 29 22 21 3 18 31 1 5 140 2 0 6.23 1.55

Sea Ray
08-20-2008, 02:33 PM
Any word on what PTNL we got from SD?

camisadelgolf
08-20-2008, 02:48 PM
Any word on what PTNL we got from SD?

Not yet.

Gallen5862
08-20-2008, 11:40 PM
Who from the padres system do you think would be a good player to get? What level of prospect was Guevara worth?

camisadelgolf
08-21-2008, 12:39 AM
I wouldn't expect much at all. The Reds were clearly not interested in keeping him. I'd feel lucky if the Reds got Simon Castro (http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=34502) (typical project; big guy who lacks control but can strike guys out) or Cesar Ramos (http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=26699) (2005 first rounder who has been mediocre at best).

Patrick Bateman
08-21-2008, 01:04 AM
We're more likely to get an insignificant amount of cash.

OnBaseMachine
08-21-2008, 01:09 AM
My source tells me Jake Peavy or Adrian Gonzalez will NOT be the PTBNL. ;)