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Spring~Fields
07-09-2008, 08:15 PM
Cincinnati vs. Chi Cubs 07/09/2008


Cincinnati Chi Cubs
J. Bruce cf .265 R. Theriot ss .312
J. Keppinger ss .293 K. Fukudome rf .285
K. Griffey Jr. rf.238 D. Lee 1b .305
B. Phillips 2b .289 A. Ramirez 3b .287
A. Dunn lf .225 G. Soto c .290
E. Encarnacion 3b.247 J. Edmonds cf .230
J. Votto 1b .282 M. DeRosa 2b .289
P. Bako c .224 R. Johnson lf .271
J. Cueto p .042 C. Zambrano p .360

IslandRed
07-09-2008, 08:39 PM
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WVRedsFan
07-09-2008, 08:58 PM
Zambrano has a higher BA than anyone in our starting lineup. Ugh.

Bruce down to .265. This may not be a pretty night for the boys in Red.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 09:10 PM
Bruce's struggles continues as he K's swinging on a high 3-2 pitch. Should have been ball four.

NC Reds
07-09-2008, 09:11 PM
Increased exposure to Brook Jacoby has not helped Bruce.

lollipopcurve
07-09-2008, 09:11 PM
Bruce looks downright awful lately.

I hope Baker isn't telling him to "stay aggressive," cuz Bruce is swinging at a ton of bad balls.

WVRedsFan
07-09-2008, 09:12 PM
Increased exposure to Brook Jacoby has not helped Bruce.


Or he could be a rookie facing a good pitcher. Either way, he's falling fast and needs help.

Spring~Fields
07-09-2008, 09:12 PM
Bruce's struggles continues as he K's swinging on a high 3-2 pitch. Should have been ball four.

Did they bring Bruce up to soon ?

Kc61
07-09-2008, 09:13 PM
In the first six posts we have blame for the hitting coach and manager because a 21 year old is having trouble adjusting the major leagues. Going to be a long night.

WVRedsFan
07-09-2008, 09:13 PM
I don't think so. He needs the experience at this level.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 09:14 PM
Did they bring Bruce up to soon ?

Absolutely not. He's got nothing left to prove in the minors. He's just going through typical rookie struggles.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 09:15 PM
In the first six posts we have blame for the hitting coach and manager because a 21 year old is having trouble adjusting the major leagues. Going to be a long night.

I count two. Not sure where you got six.

WVRedsFan
07-09-2008, 09:15 PM
Was Kepp running in slow motion or is Soto that good?

NC Reds
07-09-2008, 09:16 PM
Griffey refuses to take a walk.

Bruce is fouling off pitches he was hitting a few weeks ago. I'm not impressed with Jacoby in general and couldn't resist taking a shot at him.

Spring~Fields
07-09-2008, 09:16 PM
J. Bruce struck out swinging
J. Keppinger safe at first on third baseman A. Ramirez's fielding error
K. Griffey Jr. struck out swinging, J. Keppinger caught stealing, catcher to shortstop

Kc61
07-09-2008, 09:16 PM
I count two. Not sure where you got six.


Six was the number of total posts. Two is the correct number of challenges to the ability of the fine managerial/coaching staff of the Cincinnati Reds.

By the way, has anyone noticed that Griffey isn't helping.

lollipopcurve
07-09-2008, 09:16 PM
He's just going through typical rookie struggles.

Not typical, I'd say. Extreme.

Cyclone792
07-09-2008, 09:17 PM
Reds are now all by themselves at second in the NL in caught stealings with 29. Houston leads the league in caught stealings with 30; of course, Houston also has 21 more stolen bases than the Reds.

The Reds have a stolen base percentage of only 67.4 percent. We thank Dusty for his implementation of Dusty Ball.

Spring~Fields
07-09-2008, 09:19 PM
Reds are now all by themselves at second in the NL in caught stealings with 29. Houston leads the league in caught stealings with 30; of course, Houston also has 21 more stolen bases than the Reds.


I did not know that, thanks.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 09:19 PM
Wow. That 2-2 pitch looked like strike three on Fukodome and of course he singles on the next pitch after the missed call.

WVRedsFan
07-09-2008, 09:19 PM
I hate to gripe about the umpires so soon in the game, but two of those called balls were strikes.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 09:22 PM
Lee went around. Should have been a strike em out throw em out. Umpires continue to screw the Reds.

WVRedsFan
07-09-2008, 09:24 PM
DP makes it all work out.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 09:24 PM
Ramirez GIDP. Inning over.

Spring~Fields
07-09-2008, 09:24 PM
Chi Cubs Inning Summary

- R. Theriot struck out swinging
- K. Fukudome singled to right
- D. Lee walked, K. Fukudome to second
- A. Ramirez grounded into double play shortstop to second to first, D. Lee out at second
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 1 Hit, 0 Errors)


Pitches-strikes - J Cueto 16-9; C Zambrano 17-11.

Ground balls-fly balls - J Cueto 2-0; C Zambrano 0-0.

Batters faced - J Cueto 4; C Zambrano 3.

Kc61
07-09-2008, 09:24 PM
Not typical, I'd say. Extreme.

I don't think that's fair. Bruce hasn't had much time to adjust. His confidence is obviously affected and he seems tentative up there, particularly with two strikes.

My expectation is that Bruce will get hot, probably at home, and will start to do well.

Remember how Cueto was all fouled up earlier in the season? Now he looks very comfortable out there and is pitching great. Bruce will get there with his hitting.

Degenerate39
07-09-2008, 09:25 PM
Chi Cubs Inning Summary

- R. Theriot struck out swinging
- K. Fukudome singled to right
- D. Lee walked, K. Fukudome to second
- A. Ramirez grounded into double play shortstop to second to first, D. Lee out at second
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 1 Hit, 0 Errors)
.

Theriot struck out. Fukudome struck out but Cueto didn't get the call. Lee struck out but it was called a walk.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 09:27 PM
Dunn homers!

1-0 Reds.

WVRedsFan
07-09-2008, 09:27 PM
HR or nothing. 1-0 Reds on Dunn's blast.

NC Reds
07-09-2008, 09:27 PM
Dunn goes yard!!!

Spring~Fields
07-09-2008, 09:27 PM
Home run Dunn

Nice.

Homer Bailey
07-09-2008, 09:27 PM
Dunn owns Zambrano.

CTA513
07-09-2008, 09:30 PM
Dunn owns Zambrano.

He usually makes Zambrano work and Zambrano made a mistake and Dunn made him pay for it.

Spring~Fields
07-09-2008, 09:30 PM
Cincinnati Inning Summary

- B. Phillips grounded out to shortstop
- A. Dunn homered to deep center number 23
- E. Encarnacion grounded out to third
- J. Votto lined out to second
- End of Inning (1 Run, 1 Hit, 0 Errors)

NC Reds
07-09-2008, 09:32 PM
George Grande silently weeps. His boy strikes out.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 09:33 PM
Soto doubles, Edmonds K's on three pitches.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 09:35 PM
Routine groundball to Keppinger and he boots it allowing a run to score from second base. Unearned run.

Kc61
07-09-2008, 09:35 PM
Tie game on a Keppinger error. Seemed like the ball took a bad hop.

Watching Cueto, he is one fabulous young pitcher.

RedsManRick
07-09-2008, 09:36 PM
Routine groundball to Keppinger and he boots it allowing a run to score from second base. Unearned run.

To be fair, the ball hit a foot print in the mud and hopped up on him. He didn't just boot it.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 09:37 PM
The Reds need to find them a major league caliber defensive shortstop. Keppinger and Hairston just ain't getting the job done defensively.

Johnson flies out and Zambrano ground out.

Cyclone792
07-09-2008, 09:38 PM
According to McCoy, Ryan Dempster said there was a whole bunch of discussion in the Cubs dugout last night about how Harang wasn't the normal Harang and that something seemed wrong.

Spring~Fields
07-09-2008, 09:39 PM
Chi Cubs Inning Summary

- G. Soto doubled to deep left
- J. Edmonds struck out looking
- M. DeRosa safe at first on shortstop J. Keppinger's fielding error, G. Soto scored
- R. Johnson flied out to deep center
- C. Zambrano grounded out to second
- End of Inning (1 Run, 1 Hit, 1 Error)

Pitches-strikes - J Cueto 30-19; C Zambrano 29-18.

Ground balls-fly balls - J Cueto 3-1; C Zambrano 2-1.

Batters faced - J Cueto 9; C Zambrano 7.

Kc61
07-09-2008, 09:40 PM
The Reds need to find them a major league caliber defensive shortstop. Keppinger and Hairston just ain't getting the job done defensively.

Johnson flies out and Zambrano ground out.

Yeah, Keppinger has now made two errors this season, and that one was a bad hop. Just pathetic.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 09:42 PM
Yeah, Keppinger has now made two errors this season, and that one was a bad hop. Just pathetic.

Ah yes, errors. What a great way to judge a players defense. When you lack range you're probably not going to make errors.

Bruce pops out on a 3-1 pitch. Easy 1-2-3 inning for Zambrano.

lollipopcurve
07-09-2008, 09:43 PM
Cueto is the most enjoyable starter to watch right now -- stuff + command.

CTA513
07-09-2008, 09:43 PM
Bruce had a 2-0 pitch that he could have crushed.

Spring~Fields
07-09-2008, 09:43 PM
Cincinnati Inning Summary

- P. Bako lined out to second
- J. Cueto struck out looking
- J. Bruce popped out to shallow right
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 0 Hits, 0 Errors)

Kc61
07-09-2008, 09:44 PM
Ah yes, errors. What a great way to judge a players defense. When you lack range you're probably not going to make errors.

Bruce pops out on a 3-1 pitch. Easy 1-2-3 inning for Zambrano.

You take the high error shortstops with range. I'll take the sure handed guys with perhaps a bit less range.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 09:46 PM
Another passed ball on Bako. What is he good at again?

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 09:50 PM
Theriot singles, goes to 2nd on passed ball.

Fukudome K's.

Lee flies out.

VR
07-09-2008, 09:50 PM
Another passed ball on Bako. What is he good at again?

having a strong three week stretch to open the season to convince the manager that he's capable of being a full time starter?

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 09:53 PM
Ramirez walks on 3-2. That ain't good because Soto has hit Cueto well so far this year.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 09:55 PM
Soto grounds into a fielders choice to Kepp.

1-1 after three.

Spring~Fields
07-09-2008, 09:57 PM
Chi Cubs Inning Summary

- R. Theriot singled to right center
- R. Theriot to second on wild pitch
- K. Fukudome struck out swinging
- D. Lee flied out to right center
- A. Ramirez walked
- G. Soto grounded into fielder's choice, A. Ramirez out at second
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 1 Hit, 0 Errors)


WP - J Cueto.

Pitches-strikes - J Cueto 53-32; C Zambrano 38-24.

Ground balls-fly balls - J Cueto 4-2; C Zambrano 2-3.

Batters faced - J Cueto 14; C Zambrano 10.

VR
07-09-2008, 10:02 PM
Phillips with no homers and 2 ribbies in his career at Wrigley.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 10:03 PM
Reds go in order in the 4th.

Spring~Fields
07-09-2008, 10:03 PM
Quick up and down for the Reds

Cincinnati Inning Summary

- J. Keppinger grounded out to shortstop
- K. Griffey Jr. flied out to center
- B. Phillips grounded out to third
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 0 Hits, 0 Errors)

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 10:06 PM
Edmonds flies out to shallow RF to begin the 4th.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 10:07 PM
DeRosa grounds out to EdE for the second out.

WVRedsFan
07-09-2008, 10:08 PM
You know, we need to win this one with Lilly going tomorrow.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 10:09 PM
Johnson falls behind 0-2. Foul. Ball. Foul. K's swinging on a nasty slider. 4 K's for Cueto.

1-1 after four.

lollipopcurve
07-09-2008, 10:11 PM
K's swinging on a nasty slider.

Changeup

VR
07-09-2008, 10:11 PM
Hey, I think we have enough for a card game in here now.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 10:11 PM
Cueto made Reed Johnson look awful there on that strikeout. I love this kid.

Cueto: 4 IP, 3 H, 0 ER, 2 BB, 4 K

Spring~Fields
07-09-2008, 10:13 PM
1 2 3 for Cueto

Chi Cubs Inning Summary

- J. Edmonds flied out to right
- M. DeRosa grounded out to third
- R. Johnson struck out swinging
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 0 Hits, 0 Errors)



J. Cueto 4.0 3 1 0 2 4 0 4.46

C. Zambrano 4.0 1 1 1 0 3 1 2.94



WP - J Cueto.

Pitches-strikes - J Cueto 69-44; C Zambrano 51-32.

Ground balls-fly balls - J Cueto 5-3; C Zambrano 4-4.

Batters faced - J Cueto 17; C Zambrano 13.

Kc61
07-09-2008, 10:14 PM
Hey, I think we have enough for a card game in here now.

If Reds fans tuned out this game, they are missing a future ace pitcher in Mr. Cueto. He is extremely impressive against a tough lineup on the road.

On the other hand, the Reds hitters. . . .

WVRedsFan
07-09-2008, 10:14 PM
Reds with one hit through 4.2 innings. <shakes head>

Kc61
07-09-2008, 10:15 PM
Reds with one hit through 4.2 innings. <shakes head>

Like I said in a recent thread title -- Reds need more hits.

Homer Bailey
07-09-2008, 10:15 PM
This offense is so painful to the eyes.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 10:16 PM
Another 1-2-3 inning for Zambrano. 11 in a row retired.

VR
07-09-2008, 10:17 PM
Phillips has now been given over 250 plate appearances against right-handed pitching in the cleanup spot, and responded with a .678 OPS.
What is it that I'm missing?

Spring~Fields
07-09-2008, 10:18 PM
Cincinnati Inning Summary

- A. Dunn grounded out to second
- E. Encarnacion struck out swinging
- J. Votto grounded out to shortstop
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 0 Hits, 0 Errors)


R H E

1 1 1 Reds

1 3 1 Cubs

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 10:18 PM
Zambrano flies out to Dunn on a 0-2 pitch. One out.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 10:19 PM
Theriot gets jammed and bloops a single in front of Griffey. It seems like the Reds lead the world in bloop hits allowed.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 10:21 PM
Fukudome flies an 0-1 pitch to Griffey for the second out.

lollipopcurve
07-09-2008, 10:22 PM
Theriot gets jammed and bloops a single in front of Griffey.

Raising his OBP against the Reds to .885

Screwball
07-09-2008, 10:22 PM
Changeup

I thought it was a changeup too, but Gameday called it a slider. So who knows? :dunno:

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 10:23 PM
0-2 on Lee. Go with the slider here.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 10:26 PM
0-2 pitch to Lee...slider low. Ball 1. Ball two. 2-2 pitch looked like strike 3 but called a ball. 3-2 pitch is grounded out to Kepp.

Cueto: 5 IP, 4 H, 0 ER, 2 BB, 4 K

Spring~Fields
07-09-2008, 10:28 PM
Chi Cubs Inning Summary

- C. Zambrano flied out to left center
- R. Theriot singled to right
- K. Fukudome flied out to right
- D. Lee grounded out to shortstop
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 1 Hit, 0 Errors)



J. Cueto 5.0 4 1 0 2 4 0 4.42
C. Zambrano 5.0 1 1 1 0 4 1 2.91


WP - J Cueto.

Pitches-strikes - J Cueto 81-53; C Zambrano 63-41.

Ground balls-fly balls - J Cueto 6-5; C Zambrano 6-4.

Batters faced - J Cueto 21; C Zambrano 16.

NC Reds
07-09-2008, 10:29 PM
We're not clogging the bases tonight. That much is sure. :(

RedsManRick
07-09-2008, 10:31 PM
Johnny Cueto sure gets his money worth at the plate. On his 9th pitch right now.

Screwball
07-09-2008, 10:31 PM
We're not clogging the bases tonight. That much is sure. :(

I know some are going to complain about the hitters and tell us how awful they are, but Zambrano's pitching a hell of a game. Great, great movement with some pretty dang good command.

_Sir_Charles_
07-09-2008, 10:33 PM
Gotta love this AB from Cueto. I wish many Reds hitters would watch it and learn. 11 pitch at bat. Grounds out, but still.

Screwball
07-09-2008, 10:33 PM
Great AB by Cueto there.

Bruce gets robbed by Theriot.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 10:33 PM
Cueto grounds out on the 11th pitch of the atbat. The best atbat of the night.

I love that kid. He is a great athlete.

Bruce is robbed by Theriot. Another 1-2-3 inning.

Cyclone792
07-09-2008, 10:34 PM
Bruce droppin' expletives on that one.

Spring~Fields
07-09-2008, 10:34 PM
Cincinnati Inning Summary

- P. Bako grounded out to first
- J. Cueto grounded out to catcher
- J. Bruce grounded out to shortstop
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 0 Hits, 0 Errors)

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 10:36 PM
Ramirez homers on the first pitch fastball.

2-1 Cubs.

MasonBuzz3
07-09-2008, 10:36 PM
Bruce droppin' expletives on that one.

0 for last 16.... JP Riccardi says that Bruce has passion for the game

VR
07-09-2008, 10:37 PM
just realized Bako has a sub .500 ops over the last two months.

Spring~Fields
07-09-2008, 10:37 PM
Mid 6th 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E

Cincinnati 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 1

Chi Cubs 0 1 0 0 0 1 4 1



A. Ramirez homered to deep center

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 10:38 PM
Soto K's. 5 K's for Cueto.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 10:40 PM
1-2 on Edmonds. Ball 2-2. Foul. Fastball swing and miss. Strikeout #6 for Cueto.

Screwball
07-09-2008, 10:40 PM
FWIW, Gameday has Cueto's fastball sitting at 95 tonight.

That last one he struck Edmonds out on? 96.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 10:41 PM
0-1 on DeRosa. Ball one. 1-1. Groundout to Votto.

Cueto: 6 IP, 5 H, 1 ER, 2 BB, 6 K...great start.

Screwball
07-09-2008, 10:42 PM
95 pitches for Cueto.

Cyclone792
07-09-2008, 10:42 PM
just realized Bako has a sub .500 ops over the last two months.

He's replaced Patterson as the offensive force in this lineup.

Speaking of offensive force, here's a good one: My OPS since April 7th is .670, and this is over a span of 194 plate appearances entering tonight's game.

Who am I?

VR
07-09-2008, 10:42 PM
0-1 on DeRosa. Ball one. 1-1. Groundout to Votto.

Cueto: 6 IP, 5 H, 1 ER, 2 BB, 6 K...great start.

another inning?

Spring~Fields
07-09-2008, 10:43 PM
Chi Cubs Inning Summary

- A. Ramirez homered to deep center
- G. Soto struck out swinging
- J. Edmonds struck out swinging
- M. DeRosa grounded out to first
- End of Inning (1 Run, 1 Hit, 0 Errors)


J. Cueto 6.0 5 2 1 2 6 1 4.46
C. Zambrano 6.0 1 1 1 0 4 1 2.89


WP - J Cueto.

Pitches-strikes - J Cueto 95-64; C Zambrano 80-52.

Ground balls-fly balls - J Cueto 7-5; C Zambrano 9-4.

Batters faced - J Cueto 25; C Zambrano 19.

Scoring Summary
Top 2nd: Cincinnati
- A. Dunn homered to deep center

Bot 2nd: Chi Cubs
- M. DeRosa safe at first on shortstop J. Keppinger's fielding error, G. Soto scored

Bot 6th: Chi Cubs
- A. Ramirez homered to deep center

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 10:43 PM
95 pitches through six for Cueto. I'd pull him but you know Dusty will send him back out there.

reds44
07-09-2008, 10:43 PM
Cueto has been dealing all night against a great Cubs offense and he makes one mistake and he is now in line for the loss. One hit thru six tonight after two hits thru eight last night. Impressive by the offense. And now two quick outs.

edabbs44
07-09-2008, 10:45 PM
Cueto has been dealing all night against a great Cubs offense and he makes one mistake and he is now in line for the loss. One hit through six tonight after two hits thru eight last night. Impressive by the offense.

It's fine...we have a $46MM closer.

guttle11
07-09-2008, 10:46 PM
He's replaced Patterson as the offensive force in this lineup.

Speaking of offensive force, here's a good one: My OPS since April 7th is .670, and this is over a span of 194 plate appearances entering tonight's game.

Who am I?

Jeff Keppinger?

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 10:46 PM
Cueto has been dealing all night against a great Cubs offense and he makes one mistake and he is now in line for the loss. One hit through six tonight after two hits thru eight last night. Impressive by the offense.

He should be used to it by now. On June 17th he allowed two runs in 7 innings against the Dodgers and lost. Five days later he allowed one run in 5 innings against the Yankees and again lost. He could easily be going for his 10th win tonight with better offense.

_Sir_Charles_
07-09-2008, 10:47 PM
Zambrano throws a 59 mph ephus?!? Strike looking. Follows that with a mid 90s fastball to Brandon. Hmmmm

VR
07-09-2008, 10:47 PM
He's replaced Patterson as the offensive force in this lineup.

Speaking of offensive force, here's a good one: My OPS since April 7th is .670, and this is over a span of 194 plate appearances entering tonight's game.

Who am I?

Kepp.
Ouch.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 10:47 PM
The Reds have two baserunners in seven innings. A Dunn homerun and Kepp reach on an error.

Homer Bailey
07-09-2008, 10:47 PM
Pathetic Offense

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 10:47 PM
It's fine...we have a $46MM closer.

The lack of offense is Cordero's fault?

Cyclone792
07-09-2008, 10:47 PM
Jeff Keppinger?

Yup, you got it.

Keppinger's posted a dominant line of .274/.333/.337/.670 since April 7th.

Spring~Fields
07-09-2008, 10:48 PM
Did I hear George right, 5 straight 1 2 3 innings for Zambrano ?

Cincinnati Inning Summary

- J. Keppinger grounded out to third
- K. Griffey Jr. grounded out to second
- B. Phillips struck out looking
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 0 Hits, 0 Errors)

VR
07-09-2008, 10:49 PM
Bottom of the lineup, I'd tell Johnny this is his last inning....he's got 15 pitches max to get it done.

Cyclone792
07-09-2008, 10:49 PM
Did I hear George right, 5 straight 1 2 3 innings for Zambrano ?

Dunn's home run and Ramirez's error on a ground ball are the only things separating Zambrano from a perfect game tonight.

Spring~Fields
07-09-2008, 10:50 PM
Dunn's home run and Ramirez's error on a ground ball are the only things separating Zambrano from a perfect game tonight.

ouch !

reds44
07-09-2008, 10:50 PM
It's fine...we have a $46MM closer.
Blame the last GM for having no offensive talent. Outside of Phillips he didnt acquire one legit bat. And Jeff Keppinger does not count. He can hit you an empty .300 and play mediocre at best defense. He's just a guy.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 10:50 PM
Cueto back out there. I would have pulled him.

_Sir_Charles_
07-09-2008, 10:50 PM
Did I hear George right, 5 straight 1 2 3 innings for Zambrano ?

Yep. The second inning we sent 4 to the plate (dunn dinger) and 1-2-3 in the first. Pretty pathetic. But then again, Z's been lights out too. Combination of great pitching and crappy hitting.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 10:51 PM
1-2 on Johnson and he bounces a single to center. That right there was a perfect time for a slider which has been filthy tonight, instead they call for a fastball.

edabbs44
07-09-2008, 10:52 PM
The lack of offense is Cordero's fault?

No...having a frontline closer is useless when you have a backline rest of the team.

reds44
07-09-2008, 10:52 PM
Yup, you got it.

Keppinger's posted a dominant line of .274/.333/.337/.670 since April 7th.

Does not surprise me one bit. He is a bench player at best.

Spring~Fields
07-09-2008, 10:52 PM
Combination of great pitching and crappy hitting.

I guess I am a fan, I keep hoping in vain.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 10:53 PM
Reed Johnson is a free swinger and Cueto has a filthy slider tonight. A good slider there probably K's Johnson. I don't understand this team sometimes.

Zambrano sac bunt.

Screwball
07-09-2008, 10:53 PM
Wow, Zambrano was safe.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 10:55 PM
Finally a call went the Reds way.

Theriot groundout to Cueto. Johnson advances to third with two outs.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 10:55 PM
Good time to bring in Bray here to face Fukudome.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 10:56 PM
Dunn misplays a flyball into a RBI double. Unreal. I hate this defense.

Screwball
07-09-2008, 10:56 PM
Dunn took a Norris Hopper route to that one.

reds44
07-09-2008, 10:56 PM
That was a pathetic attempt by Dunn.

KYRedsFan
07-09-2008, 10:56 PM
That was pretty sad.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 10:57 PM
This should be a 1-1 game after seven innings right now. Instead Dunn and Keppinger have gift rapped two runs to the Cubs. Unreal.

MasonBuzz3
07-09-2008, 10:57 PM
call me a Dunn apologist, but I chalk that one up to home field advantage...that well area at Wrigley is tough for any OF

Kc61
07-09-2008, 10:57 PM
Cueto should be out of this game. There is no reason for him to pitch any more tonight because the Reds have no chance to win. The Reds can't get another run. They can't get another hit. They can't get a walk. So what is the point.

Dunn doesn't handle the long fly ball, another run scores. This game is an exercise in futility.

VR
07-09-2008, 10:58 PM
Yup, you got it.

Keppinger's posted a dominant line of .274/.333/.337/.670 since April 7th.

A great first week.

Bruce has to be sub .600 in the last month as well, yes?

Cyclone792
07-09-2008, 10:58 PM
Cueto should be out of this game. There is no reason for him to pitch any more tonight because the Reds have no chance to win. The Reds can't get another run. They can't get another hit. They can't get a walk. So what is the point.

Dusty won't be satisfied until he sends the entire rotation to the MRI machine.

reds44
07-09-2008, 10:58 PM
Team is really playing well behind their rookie pitcher tonight.

KYRedsFan
07-09-2008, 10:58 PM
Why Is He Still In??

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 10:59 PM
Lee singles in another run.

Unreal. The defense has cost Cueto three runs.

Screwball
07-09-2008, 10:59 PM
Why Is He Still In??

For no good reason.

flyer85
07-09-2008, 10:59 PM
another night where Dusty leaves in the starter too long ... a broken record.

Cyclone792
07-09-2008, 11:00 PM
A great first week.

Bruce has to be sub .600 in the last month as well, yes?

Bruce since June 3rd is hitting .198/.256/.306/.562.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 11:00 PM
Great job Johnny. Great start. Should have only been one run in seven innings if the Reds had a major league caliber defense behind you.

BuckeyeRedleg
07-09-2008, 11:00 PM
Never thought I'd ever say this.

Must be nice to be the Cubs.

VR
07-09-2008, 11:00 PM
another night where Dusty leaves in the starter too long ... a broken record.

Nothing like year's past. He got 3 outs in the 7th, his defense made him get 4

Cyclone792
07-09-2008, 11:02 PM
Never thought I'd ever say this.

Must be nice to be the Cubs.

I have a feeling they'll win a World Series again before the Reds win their next World Series. The Cubs might win multiple World Series titles before the Reds win another one.

Who knows, with the way this Reds franchise is going, the Reds may be the loveable losers in 2090.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 11:02 PM
I love Dunn but it's time the Reds improve their outfield defense.

flyer85
07-09-2008, 11:03 PM
Nothing like year's past. He got 3 outs in the 7th, his defense made him get 4
in previous years at least the manager had an excuse that he was scared to death to use the pen ... that is not the case nearly as much this season.

lollipopcurve
07-09-2008, 11:05 PM
Dunn's days as an outfielder may very well be drawing to a close. I think he's in the AL after this year.

Screwball
07-09-2008, 11:05 PM
Aramis doubles on the 10th pitch of the AB against Weathers.

Now they're just rubbing it in. With Zambrano on the mound, this game was over when Dunn misplayed the fly ball to left.

CTA513
07-09-2008, 11:06 PM
Dunn's days as an outfielder may very well be drawing to a close. I think he's in the AL after this year.

He should take his buddy with him.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 11:06 PM
Ramirez RBI double. Amazing. Cueto gets charged with 4 earned runs in 6.2 innings. Unreal. That is why it's so hard to judge a pitch based on ERA. It should have been one run in 7 innings but the defense gave away four runs.

And now ANOTHER error on EdE.

CTA513
07-09-2008, 11:06 PM
Aramis doubles on the 10th pitch of the AB against Weathers.

Now they're just rubbing it in. With Zambrano on the mound, this game was over when Dunn misplayed the fly ball to left.

The game was over when it was 2-1.

Kc61
07-09-2008, 11:06 PM
I've been a Baker supporter. But leaving Cueto out there for the seventh was poor managing. No reason for it.

Dusty probably figured that Cueto won't pitch again before the ASB so might as well give him the extra inning. Wrong. He should have been in the clubhouse after six great innings.

Now EE makes an error. Lots of terrible bad hops on the left side of that infield tonight. Ridiculous.

VR
07-09-2008, 11:07 PM
Aramis doubles on the 10th pitch of the AB against Weathers.

Now they're just rubbing it in. With Zambrano on the mound, this game was over when Dunn misplayed the fly ball to left.

It's going for the jugular when they've got the opposition on the ropes. A boot to the neck if you will.
Something the Reds haven't seen since 99.

Screwball
07-09-2008, 11:07 PM
The game was over when it was 2-1.

Then we agree. :)

Spring~Fields
07-09-2008, 11:08 PM
Wheels are falling off,

BuckeyeRedleg
07-09-2008, 11:09 PM
I have a feeling they'll win a World Series again before the Reds win their next World Series. The Cubs might win multiple World Series titles before the Reds win another one.

Who knows, with the way this Reds franchise is going, the Reds may be the loveable losers in 2090.

As I said in another thread.

They will be the Boston Red Sox of the NL.

Every other cheesy fan that is not a fan of the Red Sox will be wearing Cubs gear for the next 10 years.

Yippiee!

Being a Reds fan (post Big Red Machine era) is like consistently getting a big painful kick to the privates.

Cyclone792
07-09-2008, 11:09 PM
This is just an awful baseball team, nothing more, nothing less. The Washington series was nothing more than an awful baseball team scraping by against a historically awful baseball team.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 11:09 PM
Cueto would've had his ERA down in the 4.30's but it actually rose to 4.67 now thanks to the gift runs the defense allowed this inning. He went from one run in seven innings to four earned runs in 6.2 innings.

BuckeyeRedleg
07-09-2008, 11:10 PM
This is just an awful baseball team, nothing more, nothing less. The Washington series was nothing more than an awful baseball team scraping by against a historically awful baseball team.

Agreed.

Screwball
07-09-2008, 11:11 PM
Cueto would've had his ERA down in the 4.30's but it actually rose to 4.67 now thanks to the gift runs the defense allowed this inning. He went from one run in seven innings to four earned runs in 6.2 innings.

See, you can't look at ERA for a pitcher. Ya gotta look at his W-L record. :evil:

edabbs44
07-09-2008, 11:13 PM
This is just an awful baseball team, nothing more, nothing less. The Washington series was nothing more than an awful baseball team scraping by against a historically awful baseball team.

I totally agree, and I have no idea why Wayne ever got as much love as he did on this board.

Cyclone792
07-09-2008, 11:13 PM
I'm not that big on the importance of hitting coaches, though I do think it's absurd to employee a dumb hitting coach. Whether Jacoby qualifies, I'm not sure.

But there's a guy out in California giving private hitting lessons that the Reds should look up to bring in as a hitting coach next season. This guy happened to hit a lot of homers, take a lot of walks, and he also has a Walt Jocketty connection.

Spring~Fields
07-09-2008, 11:15 PM
Bot 7th 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E
Cincinnati 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 2

Chi Cubs 0 1 0 0 0 1 3 5 9 1


Chi Cubs Inning Summary

- R. Johnson singled to center
- C. Zambrano sacrificed to pitcher, R. Johnson to second
- R. Theriot grounded out to pitcher, R. Johnson to third
- K. Fukudome doubled to deep left, R. Johnson scored
- D. Lee singled to left, K. Fukudome scored
- D. Weathers relieved J. Cueto
- A. Ramirez doubled to deep center, D. Lee scored
- G. Soto safe at first on third baseman E. Encarnacion's fielding error, A. Ramirez to third
- J. Edmonds walked, G. Soto to second
- M. DeRosa popped out to shallow center
- End of Inning (3 Runs, 4 Hits, 1 Error)



J. Cueto 6.2 8 5 4 2 6 1 4.67
D. Weathers 0.1 1 0 0 1 0 0 3.86

C. Zambrano 7.0 1 1 1 0 5 1 2.87


WP - J Cueto.

Pitches-strikes - J Cueto 111-75; D Weathers 21-13; C Zambrano 91-59.

Ground balls-fly balls - J Cueto 9-5; D Weathers 0-1; C Zambrano 11-4.

Batters faced - J Cueto 30; D Weathers 4; C Zambrano 22.

Screwball
07-09-2008, 11:16 PM
6 straight 1-2-3 innings for Zambrano tonight.

edabbs44
07-09-2008, 11:16 PM
Big Z just plowing through this lineup.

I feel a massive roster gutting coming up.

Spring~Fields
07-09-2008, 11:17 PM
Cincinnati 8th Inning Summary

- A. Dunn lined out to shallow right
- E. Encarnacion flied out to left
- J. Votto flied out to center
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 0 Hits, 0 Errors)

VR
07-09-2008, 11:17 PM
I'm not that big on the importance of hitting coaches, though I do think it's absurd to employee a dumb hitting coach. Whether Jacoby qualifies, I'm not sure.

But there's a guy out in California giving private hitting lessons that the Reds should look up to bring in as a hitting coach next season. This guy happened to hit a lot of homers, take a lot of walks, and he also has a Walt Jocketty connection.

Barely .220 since June 1.

How does Jacoby have a job?

VR
07-09-2008, 11:20 PM
Punched right in the face by the Cubs.

Red in Chicago
07-09-2008, 11:20 PM
phillips got caught showboating on that play...dumb...dumb...dumb...

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 11:22 PM
Phillips commits his first error in 77 games or something like that.

Kc61
07-09-2008, 11:23 PM
Dusty needs to discuss that play with Phillips.

Red in Chicago
07-09-2008, 11:24 PM
i hope the offense shows up for me at tomorrow's game...i shelled out big bucks for the dugout seats...

Spring~Fields
07-09-2008, 11:24 PM
Chi Cubs 8th Inning Summary
- R. Johnson grounded out to second
- C. Zambrano singled to center
- R. Theriot reached on fielder's choice,
C. Zambrano to second on second baseman B. Phillips' throwing error
- K. Fukudome flied out to left
- D. Lee lined out to left
- End of Inning (0 Runs, 1 Hit, 1 Error)

Pitches-strikes - D Weathers 33-20;
Ground balls-fly balls - D Weathers 2-3;
Batters faced - D Weathers 9

flyer85
07-09-2008, 11:26 PM
i hope the offense shows up for me at tomorrow's game...i shelled out big bucks for the dugout seats...better hope it's a different offense ... the Reds are in trouble

Kc61
07-09-2008, 11:27 PM
better hope it's a different offense ... the Reds are in trouble


C'mon, the Reds will double their offensive output tomorrow. They'll get two baserunners instead of one. At least.

BCubb2003
07-09-2008, 11:27 PM
i shelled out big bucks for the dugout seats...

Grab a bat, you're up.

flyer85
07-09-2008, 11:28 PM
C'mon, the Reds will double their offensive output tomorrow. They'll get two baserunners instead of one. At least.don't sell 'em short , they've had 2 runners.

Red in Chicago
07-09-2008, 11:28 PM
that was a nice play by lee at first...no way the reds get a lucky break like that...

Screwball
07-09-2008, 11:28 PM
Not trying to make excuses for a bad Reds offense here, but they've also hit into some tough luck these first two games. When they do manage to hit the ball hard, it seems like it's invariably right at a glove (or a bag).

Red in Chicago
07-09-2008, 11:29 PM
Grab a bat, you're up.

give me a bat and i'm going after dusty and anyone who has ever worn a cub uniform in the past;)

REDREAD
07-09-2008, 11:29 PM
Yup, you got it.

Keppinger's posted a dominant line of .274/.333/.337/.670 since April 7th.

Which underscores that the Reds need an upgrade at SS. I really appreciate the lift Kepp gave us at SS last year and parts of this year, but I don't think he's the long term answer. With his lack of range, he needs to be hitting the ball well to justify playing at SS.

flyer85
07-09-2008, 11:31 PM
Which underscores that the Reds need an upgrade at SS.Reds need upgrades eveywhere, on the field and off.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 11:31 PM
Bruce singles with two outs.

edabbs44
07-09-2008, 11:33 PM
Bruce singles with two outs.

http://mybrewers.mlblogs.com/my_brewers/images/rmonkey1.jpg

VR
07-09-2008, 11:33 PM
Here come the Reds!

Spring~Fields
07-09-2008, 11:34 PM
http://mybrewers.mlblogs.com/my_brewers/images/rmonkey1.jpg

:lol::lol:

REDREAD
07-09-2008, 11:34 PM
I've been a Baker supporter. But leaving Cueto out there for the seventh was poor managing. No reason for it.

.

What was Cueto's final pitch count?

I can see leaving Ceuto in there after the Dunn goof. Cueto has trouble controlling his emotions when things go bad. It was a good test of character to leave Cueto out there to see if he could get past that goof. Sure, he got a few more runs tacked onto his ERA because of that, but hopefully after the game Pole or Dusty can sit down with him and use that as a case in point for why you have to keep your cool when the defense lets you down.

In other words, I see it as a learning opportunity for Ceuto. This is the year for him to learn to pitch through defensive lapses.

OnBaseMachine
07-09-2008, 11:36 PM
Keppinger and Griffey walk. Bases loaded and two outs. Grand slam ties it here. This is where I wish Dunn was hitting 4th instead of Phillips.

Red in Chicago
07-09-2008, 11:36 PM
grif looked terrible but worked out a walk...gotta give it up to him there

Spring~Fields
07-09-2008, 11:36 PM
Bruce to second on wild pitch
J. Keppinger walked
K. Griffey Jr. walked, J. Bruce to third, J. Keppinger to second

Bases Loaded For Phillips

bullpen break by Lou

2 out bottom of the ninth

Red in Chicago
07-09-2008, 11:37 PM
not that it would ever happen, but wouldn't it be awesome for phillips to tag one here and tie it up...pipe dream, i know

CTA513
07-09-2008, 11:37 PM
That was really nice of Marmol to give Wood a chance to get a save.

Kc61
07-09-2008, 11:38 PM
Keppinger and Griffey walk. Bases loaded and two outs. Grand slam ties it here. This is where I wish Dunn was hitting 4th instead of Phillips.


Griffey very fortunate to get that walk because on two consecutive pitches he appeared to go too far on check swings.

If Dunn was hitting cleanup Cubs would get him out with a tough lefty reliever. Now Phillips is cleanup, Cubs will probably get him out with a tough right reliever, Kerry Wood. Prove me wrong Phillips.

Spring~Fields
07-09-2008, 11:39 PM
K. Wood relieved C. Marmol

VR
07-09-2008, 11:39 PM
Phillips WILL NOT hit into a Phillips

REDREAD
07-09-2008, 11:40 PM
:(

Spring~Fields
07-09-2008, 11:47 PM
Top 9th 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E
Cincinnati 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 2 3
Chi Cubs 0 1 0 0 0 1 3 0 5 10 1


Game Scoring Summary
Top 2nd: Cincinnati
- A. Dunn homered to deep center

Bot 2nd: Chi Cubs
- M. DeRosa safe at first on shortstop J. Keppinger's fielding error, G. Soto scored

Bot 6th: Chi Cubs - A. Ramirez homered to deep center

Bot 7th: Chi Cubs
- K. Fukudome doubled to deep left, R. Johnson scored

- D. Lee singled to left, K. Fukudome scored

- A. Ramirez doubled to deep center, D. Lee scored

Batting
HR - A Dunn (23, 2nd inning off C Zambrano 0 on, 1 Out).

RBI - A Dunn (53).

Runners left in scoring position, 2 out - B Phillips 2.

Team LOB - 3.

Base Running
CS - J Keppinger (1, 2nd base by C Zambrano/G Soto).

Fielding
E - J Keppinger (2, ground ball); E Encarnacion (13, ground ball); B Phillips (2, throw).

DP - 1 (J Keppinger-B Phillips-J Votto).

Batting
2B - G Soto (24, J Cueto); K Fukudome (17, J Cueto); A Ramirez (22, D Weathers).

HR - A Ramirez (16, 6th inning off J Cueto 0 on, 0 Out).

S - C Zambrano.

RBI - A Ramirez 2 (63), K Fukudome (36), D Lee (54).

2-out RBI - K Fukudome, D Lee, A Ramirez.

Runners left in scoring position, 2 out - D Lee 1, M DeRosa 2, G Soto 1.

GIDP - A Ramirez.

Team LOB - 10.

Fielding
E - A Ramirez (8, ground ball).

DP - 1 (G Soto-R Theriot).



J. Cueto (L, 7-9) 6.2 8 5 4 2 6 1 4.67
D. Weathers 1.1 2 0 0 1 0 0 3.75

C. Zambrano (W, 10-3) 8.0 1 1 1 0 5 1 2.84
C. Marmol 0.2 1 0 0 2 0 0 3.51
K. Wood (S, 23) 0.1 0 0 0 0 0 0 2.89


WP - J Cueto, C Marmol.

Pitches-strikes - J Cueto 111-75; D Weathers 33-20; C Zambrano 103-66; C Marmol 22-11; K Wood 5-3.

Ground balls-fly balls - J Cueto 9-5; D Weathers 2-3; C Zambrano 11-7; C Marmol 1-1; K Wood 0-1.

Batters faced - J Cueto 30; D Weathers 9; C Zambrano 25; C Marmol 5; K Wood 1.

Big Klu
07-10-2008, 12:35 AM
Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds All-Time Home Run Leaders
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Adam Dunn - 261
5. Ted Kluszewski - 251
6. George Foster - 244
7. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 206
8. Eric Davis - 203
9. Barry Larkin - 198
10. Vada Pinson - 186
11. Wally Post - 172
12. Gus Bell - 160
13. Joe Morgan - 152
13. Pete Rose - 152
15. Lee May - 147
16. Dan Driessen - 133
17. Reggie Sanders - 125
18. Ernie Lombardi - 120
19. Sean Casey - 118
20. Frank McCormick - 110
21. Dave Parker - 107
22. Chris Sabo - 104
23. Dave Concepcion - 101
24. Gordy Coleman - 98
25. Paul O'Neill - 96

Matt700wlw
07-10-2008, 02:49 AM
Stinking up this road trip could be the best thing to happen so the Reds ownership doesn't get a false sense that being a buyer at the deadline is the right step to take.

A new identity is a much needed step...the construction of this team hasn't worked in 8 years.

reds44
07-10-2008, 02:51 AM
Stinking up this road trip could be the best thing to happen so the Reds ownership doesn't get a false sense that being a buyer at the deadline is the right step to take.

A new identity is a much needed step...the construction of this team hasn't worked in 8 years.
Outside of Phillips, Votto, hopefully Bruce, and on offense (at times) Dunn, the Reds have crap for their starting 8. It's sad what happend to the Reds offense.

cumberlandreds
07-10-2008, 08:04 AM
Where was Hairston? I know he may not have made the difference but he has been by far the Reds best lead off hitter.

Spring~Fields
07-10-2008, 09:53 AM
Stinking up this road trip could be the best thing to happen so the Reds ownership doesn't get a false sense that being a buyer at the deadline is the right step to take.
A new identity is a much needed step...the construction of this team hasn't worked in 8 years.

All things are possible, I have been told.

oneupper
07-10-2008, 09:12 PM
Just want to confirm that I was NOT at Wrigley today.

Ross hit those HRs all on his own.