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medford
07-11-2008, 11:36 AM
OK, I have nothing to add at this point, but I just got some tickets to the Dragons game and was wondering who was going to start?

I'll post my thoughts later tonight/tomorrow on what I see. I doubt it adds much of anything, but I've always enjoyed typing up my observations (no matter how unscout like they are)

I haven't followed the Dragons nearly as much this year, other than Mes & Soto, who else should I be keeping my eye on?

11larkin11
07-11-2008, 11:37 AM
I'll be there tomorrow, I belive Montano is starting. I know with my luck Waring will still be out and it will be a Soto and Mesoraco rest day haha.

OnBaseMachine
07-11-2008, 11:55 AM
Zach Stewart is worth watching if he pitches one of those days. He doesn't pitch on back-to-back days but you may be able to catch him Saturday.

OnBaseMachine
07-11-2008, 12:04 PM
Here are the scheduled starters and time of games:

Louisville - 7:35 - Ramon Ramirez

Chattanooga - 7:15

Sarasota - 7:00

Dayton - 7:00 - Luis Montano

Billings - 9:00 - Lance Janke

The GCL Reds play at 12:00

The DSL Reds play at 10:30

11larkin11
07-11-2008, 12:14 PM
Isn't it Ravin's turn in Dayton OBM? I thought Montano was going tomorrow.

OnBaseMachine
07-11-2008, 12:14 PM
Isn't it Ravin's turn in Dayton OBM? I thought Montano was going tomorrow.

Ravin went on the 7-day DL.

11larkin11
07-11-2008, 12:20 PM
Ravin went on the 7-day DL.

So any idea who will be going tomorrow? I'm guessing Horst.

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 12:21 PM
Just a reminder for those in the Cincinnati and Dayton area with TWC, the Dragons are on both tonight and tomorrow night. Channel 99 in Cincinnati on TWC and channel 25 in Dayton I believe.

OnBaseMachine
07-11-2008, 12:21 PM
So any idea who will be going tomorrow? I'm guessing Horst.

I believe Horst is correct...

crazyredfan40
07-11-2008, 03:18 PM
I would be curious to how Cozart looks in Dayton...He is one that I still have some hopes for...

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 03:23 PM
I would be curious to how Cozart looks in Dayton...He is one that I still have some hopes for...

At the plate or in the field?

KittyDuran
07-11-2008, 04:04 PM
I'll be there tomorrow, I belive Montano is starting. I know with my luck Waring will still be out and it will be a Soto and Mesoraco rest day haha.I'll be there tomorrow as well up in Section 204!

AmarilloRed
07-11-2008, 04:09 PM
Bobby Livingston is the scheduled starter for Sarasota.

11larkin11
07-11-2008, 04:46 PM
I'll be there tomorrow as well up in Section 204!

Lawn Seats for me lol

Grande Donkey
07-11-2008, 06:49 PM
Stubbs got scratched from the lineup tonight. Got hurt during BP. Will know more later.

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 07:08 PM
I am DVRing the Dragons game... which means if I want to I can put clips onto my computer if I want to. That likely means Neftali Soto footage.

Sucks about Stubbs, hopefully its nothing serious.

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 07:16 PM
First thing I said to myself when I saw Soto was 'man, that kid is skinny'.

redhawk61
07-11-2008, 07:17 PM
Soto bat is very very quick

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 07:18 PM
Livingston allowed 2 hits, 0r and had 2 strikeouts in the first for Sarasota

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 07:20 PM
Juan Francisco is batting in front of Todd Frazier today against Jeremy Jeffress... maybe in the hopes that he gets a few more pitches to hit with Frazier behind him.

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 07:34 PM
Justin Turner just hit a solo HR to give the Lookouts a 1-0 lead.

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 07:48 PM
Lookouts announcer Larry Ward "Here is Chris Valaika.... roll your camera's because he might match Turner". Then Valaika goes up and hits an opposite field HR.

redhawk61
07-11-2008, 07:50 PM
Lookouts announcer Larry Ward "Here is Chris Valaika.... roll your camera's because he might match Turner". Then Valaika goes up and hits an opposite field HR.
September call up?

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 07:50 PM
Sarasota up 2-0. Jake Kahaulelio is 1-1 with a double, walk and a run. Chris Heisey is 1-1. Jason Louwsma is 1-1 with an RBI and Todd Frazier has a walk.

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 07:51 PM
September call up?

Doubtful... not on the 40 man.

redhawk61
07-11-2008, 07:54 PM
Wow Soto has a very strong arm

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 07:55 PM
Dayton is hitless through 3 innings. 2-3-4 due up in the 4th.

BTW, today is a good day. Dayton and Cincinnati will be on TV (Picture in Picture), I am listening to the Lookouts game and watching Louisville on the computer. You can all be jealous, its ok lol.

Eric Eymann just scored on a Chris Denove double. 3-0 Lookouts.

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 07:57 PM
Neftali Soto lines out to first base. He smoked that ball.

redhawk61
07-11-2008, 07:57 PM
Soto lines out to the 1st baseman.

His stance kinda reminds me of A-Rod

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 08:00 PM
Dayton takes a 1-0 lead thanks to a triple by Jolbert Cabrera on a high fastball off the centerfield wall.

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 08:00 PM
Cabrera scores on a wild pitch, 2-0 Dragons.

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 08:02 PM
Shaun Cumberland just robbed of a hit on a diving play in the gap by the centerfielder.

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 08:12 PM
Lookouts up 3-1.

crazyredfan40
07-11-2008, 08:14 PM
To answer the earlier question about Cozart, both in the field and at the plate...

Is the talk about his defense for real...Also does he have a hole in his swing lack of power, bad approach, or does he look to have potential like he would be able to hit at higher levels...

That is too bad about Stubbs...

Also Livingston thru 3 scoreless innings 2 hits and 4k's...Think he could get a callup later in the season maybe before Maloney...He is still on the 40 man right?

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 08:14 PM
Sarasota up 3-0. Todd Frazier is 1-1 with a walk and a double. Chris Heisey is 2-2 with an RBI and his 20th steal.

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 08:15 PM
To answer the earlier question about Cozart, both in the field and at the plate...

Is the talk about his defense for real...Also does he have a hole in his swing lack of power, bad approach, or does he look to have potential like he would be able to hit at higher levels...

That is too bad about Stubbs...

Also Livingston thru 3 scoreless innings 2 hits and 4k's...Think he could get a callup later in the season maybe before Maloney...He is still on the 40 man right?

Cozart absolutely is legit defensively. As for his bat, I have some questions about it still, but I think he can hit at the higher levels and just needs to continue progressing. I think he looks a lot better now than he did in the beginning of the year.

crazyredfan40
07-11-2008, 08:23 PM
Cozart absolutely is legit defensively. As for his bat, I have some questions about it still, but I think he can hit at the higher levels and just needs to continue progressing. I think he looks a lot better now than he did in the beginning of the year.

That sounds promising...He seems to have some pop in his bat as well...

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 08:24 PM
Danny Dorn with a triple for the Lookouts. Not your traditional triple though. The centerfielder had it knuckle away from him and once it hit the ground it went all the way to the wall.

Neftali Soto just hit a sac fly to the wall. I will get video of that one later.

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 08:31 PM
Seems like Stubbs is fine. I emailed the Lookouts broadcasters and while they don't have anything specific on him, they said he caught both of the 'first pitches' thrown out today. If it were anything at all, he wouldn't have I am sure.

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 08:32 PM
Livingston through 4 - 5h, 1er, 0bb, 5K

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 08:38 PM
Livingston


Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Livingston 5.0 6 1 1 0 6 0 2.65

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 08:41 PM
Dayton is up 4-2 now after allowing 2 runs in the last inning.

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 08:48 PM
Ramon Ramirez is throwing a strong game for Louisville.

Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Ramirez, R 4.0 2 0 0 0 5 0 4.37

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 08:52 PM
Shaun Cumberland with an inside out swing singles past the shortstop. I like his approach so far at the plate.

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 08:59 PM
Chattanooga tied at 3 and Huntsville has the bases loaded with 1 out in the inning.

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 09:02 PM
Lookouts down 5-3 with Huntsville still batting.

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 09:05 PM
Ramon Ramirez has allowed just 2 hits through 5 innings and has 6 strikeouts. Louisville has not scored either though, so its a 0-0 game heading to the 6th.

REDSEER
07-11-2008, 09:06 PM
What kind of stuff does Ramirez have? All I've seen of him are solid starts.....

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 09:10 PM
Sean Watson strikes out 2 batters in a row to get out of the inning, stranding two Huntsville batters. Chattanooga down 5-3.

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 09:11 PM
Jolbert Cabrera singles and drives in 2. Dayton up 7-2.

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 09:13 PM
Not that I regret the trade, but man would it be nice to have Jeff Stevens back (reliever we traded for Phillips). He just pitched against the Bats.... kids filthy.

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 09:13 PM
Dayton now up 8-2 after a Denis Phipps RBI single.

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 09:17 PM
What kind of stuff does Ramirez have? All I've seen of him are solid starts.....

His fastball has been clocked as high as 96 MPH in the past (last year). He has a good change up and a decent to good curveball. I think he could be a solid reliever in the major leagues.

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 09:18 PM
Ramon Ramirez just had a batter so far out in front of his change up the guys legs got crossed up and he almost fell over. Pretty funny.

Luvsbaseball
07-11-2008, 09:19 PM
Not that I regret the trade, but man would it be nice to have Jeff Stevens back (reliever we traded for Phillips). He just pitched against the Bats.... kids filthy.

I watched a few games on TV of the Indians Springs Training Games and got to watch Stevens pitch. The games I saw he really did good back then too.

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 09:20 PM
Bobby Livingston's Final Line


Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Livingston 6.2 8 1 1 2 7 0 2.41

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 09:23 PM
Ramon Ramirez just keeps on going.

6ip, 2h, 0r, 1bb, 7K.

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 09:40 PM
Billings is underway. Alex Buchholz has a single. Lance Janke struck out 2 in the first inning. 0-0 in the second inning.

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 09:41 PM
Dayton won 8-3

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 09:43 PM
Sarasota won 3-1.



Player AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO AVG
Kahaulelio DH 3 1 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 .259
Castro, Jo 2B 4 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 .250
Francisco 3B 4 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .268
Frazier SS 3 0 1 1 0 0 0 1 2 .290
Heisey CF 4 1 2 0 0 0 1 0 0 .283
Perales RF 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 .219
Louwsma 1B 4 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 .229
Kainer LF 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 .224
Rodriguez C 3 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .206


BATTING
2B: Kahaulelio (6, Jeffress), Frazier (7, Jeffress).
TB: Kahaulelio 2; Francisco; Frazier 2; Heisey 2; Louwsma; Rodriguez.
RBI: Castro, Jo (15), Louwsma (27), Heisey (36).
Runners left in scoring position, 2 out: Castro, Jo 2; Kainer 2.
Team LOB: 7.

BASERUNNING
SB: Heisey 2 (21, 2nd base off Jeffress/Lucroy, 2nd base off Jeffress/Lucroy).
CS: Frazier (2, 2nd base by Jeffress/Lucroy).

FIELDING
PB: Rodriguez (8).
Outfield assists: Perales (Caufield at 3rd base).
Pickoffs: Livingston (Ford at 1st base).

Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Livingston (W, 2-1) 6.2 8 1 1 2 7 0 2.41
Valiquette (H, 5) 1.1 0 0 0 1 0 0 2.57
Geronimo (S, 11) 1.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.69



Ground outs-fly outs: Jeffress 6-3, Lluberes 2-3, Shanks 2-1, Livingston 4-6, Valiquette 1-3, Geronimo 0-3.
Batters faced: Jeffress 24, Lluberes 7, Shanks 3, Livingston 27, Valiquette 5, Geronimo 3.
Inherited runners-scored: Valiquette 2-0.

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 09:44 PM
Sean Watson struck out 4 in 1.2 innings and he walked a batter.

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 09:48 PM
Lookouts down 6-3. I wonder if Huntsville could beat the Nationals right about now....

Grande Donkey
07-11-2008, 09:51 PM
Lookouts down 6-3. I wonder if Huntsville could beat the Nationals right about now....I'd say they would take 2 of 3 from the Nats.

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 09:51 PM
Dayton won 8-2. Here is the box score



Player AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO AVG
Jones, K LF 4 2 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 .258
Cozart SS 4 0 2 0 0 0 1 0 0 .260
Soto 3B 4 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 .316
Parker 1B 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 3 0 .257
Cabrera 2B 4 1 3 0 1 0 3 0 0 .500
Phipps RF 3 1 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 .242
McKennon DH 4 0 2 0 1 0 1 0 0 .219
Bour C 4 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .222
Reed CF 4 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .245


BATTING
3B: Cabrera (1, Renaud), McKennon (4, Renaud).
TB: Jones, K; Cozart 2; Cabrera 5; Phipps; McKennon 4; Bour; Reed.
RBI: Cabrera 3 (3), McKennon (19), Soto (4), Cozart (25), Phipps (40).
2-out RBI: Cabrera 3; McKennon; Phipps.
Runners left in scoring position, 2 out: McKennon; Bour 3; Parker.
SF: Soto; Cozart.
GIDP: Phipps.
Team LOB: 7.

FIELDING
E: Phipps (6, fielding).
Pickoffs: Montano (Carroll at 1st base).

Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Montano (W, 9-6) 6.0 8 2 1 0 3 0 4.15
Del Rosario (S, 5) 3.0 3 0 0 0 3 0 1.49



Kantakevich pitched to 3 batters in the 7th.

WP: Renaud 2, Montano.
Ground outs-fly outs: Renaud 9-6, Kantakevich 2-1, Harmon 1-1, Escalona, J 2-2, Montano 6-8, Del Rosario 1-5.
Batters faced: Renaud 22, Kantakevich 6, Harmon 6, Escalona, J 5, Montano 25, Del Rosario 12.

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 09:52 PM
Ramon Ramirez is likely done in Louisville.

7ip, 3h, 0r, 2bb and 8K. 104 pitches. Still tied at 0.

captainmorgan07
07-11-2008, 09:53 PM
Bobby Livingston's Final Line


Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Livingston 6.2 8 1 1 2 7 0 2.41

Sounds like a good outing for Bobby. Hopefully he can help the big club sometime this year whether it be in the rotation or in the pen.

redhawk61
07-11-2008, 10:06 PM
0-4 for Soto huh? do you think Soto will ever come out of his slump?

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 10:12 PM
0-4 for Soto huh? do you think Soto will ever come out of his slump?

Lol, he hit the crap out of the ball twice and pretty hard another time.

Louisville is heading to the 9th in a 0-0 tie.

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 10:16 PM
Louisville gets the leadoff batter on in the 9th when Hanigan singled. Cumberland up now.... lets get one across the plate.

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 10:17 PM
Shaun Cumberland singled and Hanigan to second. Both are now 2-4.

HokieRed
07-11-2008, 10:20 PM
Anybody got anything on Livingston's velocity? I know that's not his forte, but it would be good to know how it is comparing now to last year, when he'd occasionally hit 89.

crazyredfan40
07-11-2008, 10:21 PM
Did Cozart hit the ball hard on his two hits Doug?

Cabrera and Soto have really got the Dayton offense going...

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 10:21 PM
Luis Bolivar hits a weak chopper 7 feet that works almost like a sac bunt. Runners on second and third and 1 out in the 9th in a 0-0 game.

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 10:24 PM
Lookouts down 9-3 now.

Billings up 3-0. Buchholz is 1-1 with a walk. Tony Brown has a single and a run. Brett Bartles has a 3 run double. Janke has allowed 3 hits and struck out 2 in 3 innings.

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 10:25 PM
Louisville takes a 1-0 lead on a sac fly in the top of the 9th inning by BJ Szymanski.

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 10:28 PM
Louisville heading to the bottom of the 9th with a 1-0 lead.

crazyredfan40
07-11-2008, 10:28 PM
Louisville takes a 1-0 lead on a sac fly in the top of the 9th inning by BJ Szymanski.

Griffey could of used one of those last inning...:(

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 10:32 PM
Matt Belisle in for the save for the Bats and he strikes out the first batter he sees. 2 outs to go.

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 10:35 PM
Belisle allows a double. Uh oh.

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 10:36 PM
Bats win 1-0. Great game.

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 10:40 PM
Bats Box Score



Player AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO AVG
Dickerson CF 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 .262
Griffin 2B 4 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 2 .245
Rosales 1B 4 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 .239
Colina, A DH 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 .250
Hanigan C 4 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 .299
Cumberland LF 4 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 .333
Bolivar 3B 3 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .254
Szymanski RF 3 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 2 .154
Janish SS 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 .282


BATTING
TB: Griffin 2; Rosales 2; Hanigan 2; Cumberland 2; Bolivar.
RBI: Szymanski (1).
Runners left in scoring position, 2 out: Janish 3; Colina, A 2.
SF: Szymanski.
GIDP: Colina, A.
Team LOB: 8.

BASERUNNING
CS: Dickerson (7, 2nd base by Huff/Gimenez).
PO: Dickerson (1st base by Huff).

FIELDING
E: Herrera (1, throw).
Pickoffs: Ramirez, R (Cabrera at 1st base).

Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Ramirez, R 7.0 3 0 0 2 7 0 4.10
Herrera (W, ) 1.0 0 0 0 0 1 0 2.56
Belisle (S, 2) 1.0 1 0 0 0 2 0 5.40


WP: Larrison 2.
HBP: Bolivar (by Stevens).
Pitches-strikes: Ramirez, R 105-70, Herrera 14-10, Belisle 12-8, Huff 81-52, Stevens 39-26, Larrison 39-27.
Ground outs-fly outs: Ramirez, R 7-5, Herrera 0-2, Belisle 1-0, Huff 4-5, Stevens 1-3, Larrison 1-2.
Batters faced: Ramirez, R 24, Herrera 4, Belisle 4, Huff 18, Stevens 9, Larrison 9.

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 10:56 PM
Chattanooga loses

RedsFanInBama
07-11-2008, 11:13 PM
doug,

Why does the organization think so poorly of Hannigan? I would like to see this guy at least get an opportunity at the Major League level. I know he's not a top prospect or anything, but he's hit well at Louisville and has a very respectable number of runners CS. I'm not sure about his all-around defense. Know anything?

You'd think that with our lack of production and defense from the position this year that this guy might actually get a look. Particularly with how difficult it is to find a solid catcher. There just aren't a lot of them across MLB.

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 11:18 PM
I think Ryan Hanigan starts at catcher for at least 40 games next year for the Reds.

RedsFanInBama
07-11-2008, 11:20 PM
So in your scenario, you see us retaining Ross or Bako (one) and then Hanigan filling the other spot? I would be ok with that. I'd actually be ok with that happening for the rest of this season if the Marlins still have interest in Ross.

dougdirt
07-11-2008, 11:24 PM
I think at worst, Hanigan is the back up next year for the Reds.

OnBaseMachine
07-12-2008, 01:32 AM
Juan Duran didn't play again today.

icehole3
07-12-2008, 06:31 AM
His fastball has been clocked as high as 96 MPH in the past (last year). He has a good change up and a decent to good curveball. I think he could be a solid reliever in the major leagues.

this guy has been in the minors forever, they should at least give him a look in spring training before they have to cut ties with him shouldnt they?

DoogMinAmo
07-12-2008, 01:38 PM
How is the Belisle to bullpen "experiment" working?

Will he get called back up, or is the organization fed up?

medford
07-12-2008, 03:39 PM
OK, here's my update on the Dragons game. Per usual, I'll place the standard disclaimer that I'm in no way close to anything resembling a scout, and never played past the 7th grade (where my specialty was walking, striking out, or getting hit by a pitch).

anyhoo: Louis Montana didn't impress me all that much. The 2 runs he gave up could have been limited a bit more, and other than that he was never in serious trouble, but he's not one of those blow you away type prospects. I'm not sure I ever saw the radar gun show anything above the mid 80s (probably looked at about 50% of his pitches), we hasn't fooling a ton of hitters. Seemed to have a pretty solid pick off move, I was told he picked off a runner in the first inning, but on one occasion, he showed his pickoff move, then ignored the runner on the next pitch and was promptly stolen off of.

Zach Cozart: All glove, no stick??? If I hadn't known that rep going in, I'd have come away most impressed w/ Cozart stick last night. He didn't get any difficult chances in the field that I saw (I got there in inning #2), but he stung the ball multiple times and executed a perfect hit & run. He may be mostly glove, but there is definently some stick there. He was co-mvp of the Dragons the previous month w/ a .600 slugging percentage, so he's done something w/ his stick beyond just last night's game. He did swing at 2 Pitch 1 counts, making me wonder about his patience, one was a terrible pitch that he popped out on (and never should have swung at), the other was a "fat" pitch that he stung to RF for a single. The later was a case where he gets his pitch on the first pitch and does something with. The prior was a case of swinging a pitch that was up near his eyes.

Soto: I was impressed with him as well. I don't know if he got any hits, but he made solid contact on multiple occasions, and showed a nice arm at 3rd, and pretty good range. Definently looks like a quick risers.

Mes: Didn't play, but did come in to warm up the pitcher b/w innings when Bour was putting on his gear. Regarding earlier reports, he could probably slim down a little bit, but I wouldn't call him puffy.

Bour: Jason really needs to add an "n" to the end of his name. Mentioned the SB base in Montona's report, which was definently stolen off of the pitcher, but Bour showed a great arm on the play. I believe he made solid contact on a couple of occasions.

Jones & Reed definently have great speed.

I'm sure other have chimed in since this game was on TV, I'm going off of memories, nearly 20 hours old, so don't shoot me if I've messed up some of the facts along the way. I think the picture remains in tact from my prespective if I'm misrememberring a fact or 2. There are definently a couple of kids in the lineup that look like they could help down the road one day. Not nearly the talent that was on that Dunn-Kearns-Olmedo-Howington-Acevedo-etc.. squad, but more talent than we've seen the last couple of seasons save a player or 2.