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REDJAKE
07-16-2008, 11:40 AM
During the intros i was surprised they weren't introduced at the AS Game.

Unassisted
07-16-2008, 11:48 AM
See earlier speculation in the game thread beginning here (http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1694657&highlight=bench#post1694657).

Chip R
07-16-2008, 11:51 AM
I didn't see the game or the intros but it is curious why they weren't there.

OnBaseMachine
07-16-2008, 11:52 AM
I was also quite surprised to not see them there. Other greats like Tom Seaver and Carlton Fisk were also missing...I guess they didn't want to invite all of the Hall of Famers from rivals like the Mets and Red Sox.

Chip R
07-16-2008, 11:55 AM
I was also quite surprised to not see them there. Other greats like Tom Seaver and Carlton Fisk were also missing...I guess they didn't want to invite all of the Hall of Famers from rivals like the Mets and Red Sox.


Didn't Seaver play for the Yankees a year or two?

George Anderson
07-16-2008, 11:56 AM
I was also quite surprised to not see them there. Other greats like Tom Seaver and Carlton Fisk were also missing...I guess they didn't want to invite all of the Hall of Famers from rivals like the Mets and Red Sox.

Oh I am sure Seaver, Fisk and even Yaz were invited. It would have been very bad publicity for the event had they not been. I can only speculate but I doubt if Fisk and Yaz wanted to go out on a field in front of 50,000 people and get booed for being Red Sox. Seaver played for the rival Mets but I am guessing he still would have been cheered by the Yankee faithful, so I am not real sure why he wasn't there.

Jpup
07-16-2008, 12:01 PM
I wondered the same especially since Joe was there the night before. Did he do the game on the radio? That could be an explanation.

NJReds
07-16-2008, 12:04 PM
Bench was on ESPN Radio in NY plugging his new book yesterday afternoon. I only caught the end and didn't hear him say that he wouldn't be there.

OnBaseMachine
07-16-2008, 12:05 PM
Didn't Seaver play for the Yankees a year or two?

Nah. After he left the Reds in 1982 he went back to the Mets for one year and then to the White Sox for 2 1/2 seasons before being traded to the Red Sox for a half year in 1986 and then called it quits after that season.

George Anderson
07-16-2008, 12:07 PM
Bench was on ESPN Radio in NY plugging his new book yesterday afternoon. I only caught the end and didn't hear him say that he wouldn't be there.

I wish I had a nickel every time I heard JB was on the radio plugging his new book.

Maybe JB didnt show up last night because they wouldn't let him hold up his book when they introduced him ;)

cumberlandreds
07-16-2008, 12:07 PM
IIRC, I read a while back that every living HOFer was invited. I commented in another thread that it was very disapointing that Bench and Morgan weren't there. Maybe they had prior commitments? Seaver would have been cheered if he had been there. According to Retrosheet he was cheered wildly back in 1977 at the ASG that was held in Yankee Stadium. This was his return to NYC after being traded to the Reds.
Also is Sparky in too poor of health now to travel? It would have been great to see him there too.

George Anderson
07-16-2008, 12:10 PM
Also is Sparky in too poor of health now to travel? It would have been great to see him there too.

If I recall Sparky came back to Cincy just last year when Daveys number was retired. I am just guessing but I am sure at his age he picks and chooses where he goes and a cross country flight from California to New York isn't at the top of his priority lists right now.

OnBaseMachine
07-16-2008, 12:12 PM
Also is Sparky in too poor of health now to travel? It would have been great to see him there too.

I believe so. I remember in spring training when Dusty invited him to Reds camp but Sparky had to turn it down due to health issues.

OnBaseMachine
07-16-2008, 12:14 PM
Perhaps, but the occasion fell short of matching the similar ceremony before the 1999 All-Star Game at Fenway Park, when baseball honored its All-Century team. Despite the many Hall of Famers who took the field Tuesday night, the ceremony was also notable for its many absences, including Johnny Bench, Tom Seaver, Sandy Koufax, Joe Morgan, Nolan Ryan, Stan Musial, Carlton Fisk and Carl Yastrzemski.

Compare that to the 1999 gathering. In addition to many of the players at Yankee Stadium on Tuesday, the Fenway ceremony had Bench, Koufax, Ryan, Morgan, Roger Clemens, Ken Griffey Jr., Pete Rose, Stan Musial, Randy Johnson, Warren Spahn, Tony Gwynn, Mark McGwire, Pedro Martinez, Robbie Alomar and, of course, Ted Williams.

That night could have been topped only if the players had entered the ballpark through a cornfield.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/allstar08/columns/story?columnist=caple_jim&id=3491424

George Anderson
07-16-2008, 12:15 PM
I believe so. I remember in spring training when Dusty invited him to Reds camp but Sparky had to turn it down due to health issues.


I am pretty sure watching Dusty manage would have made Sparky's health much worse.

Jpup
07-16-2008, 12:21 PM
The article above mentioned Nolan Ryan. There isn't an excuse for him not to be there. He is actually the President of the Rangers. Maybe he had to feed the cows?

Team Clark
07-16-2008, 02:19 PM
I have to agree that I think it was in bad taste for Bench, Morgan, Yaz, Fisk, Ryan and others not to show. As much as Bench loves attention I can't imagine him not putting his face in front of the camera.

RedsManRick
07-16-2008, 02:22 PM
I wonder if Morgan had a conflict with his ESPN contract precluding him from being a ratings shill on behalf of Fox?

BCubb2003
07-16-2008, 02:36 PM
Didn't Seaver used to announce Yankees games?

Jpup
07-16-2008, 05:24 PM
Didn't Seaver used to announce Yankees games?

don't know, but he doesn't now.

KoryMac5
07-16-2008, 05:44 PM
Didn't Seaver used to announce Yankees games?

I only remember Seaver doing Mets games with Ralph Kiner on WWOR.

BCubb2003
07-16-2008, 05:52 PM
I only remember Seaver doing Mets games with Ralph Kiner on WWOR.

I seem to remember him with Rizzuto, but I'll have to look it up.

WebScorpion
07-16-2008, 10:03 PM
Prior commitments. I believe I also read that every living Hall of Fame member was invited.

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The All-Star Game was played for a final time at Yankee Stadium on Tuesday evening, but 14-time all-star Johnny Bench, who might be the best catcher in baseball history, was in the Twin Cities because he had committed to a couple of fundraising golf events.

That was greatly appreciated by Mike Givens, who oversees the Wendy's Dave Thomas Memorial Classic at Wayzata Country Club, and Hollis Cavner, who runs the 3M Championship at the TPC in Blaine.

Full Story (http://www.twincities.com/ci_9892403?source=most_viewed)
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I"m guessing Little Joe had some commitment as well, despite speculation that he just didn't want to share the field with Rhyno. ;)

Highlifeman21
07-16-2008, 10:29 PM
Is Willie Mays the only HOF CF still living?

VR
07-16-2008, 10:37 PM
The article above mentioned Nolan Ryan. There isn't an excuse for him not to be there. He is actually the President of the Rangers. Maybe he had to feed the cows?

Yeah go ahead and try to punk Nolan Ryan. The last guy to do that was Robin Ventura. I'm telling on you.

edabbs44
07-16-2008, 10:41 PM
Is Willie Mays the only HOF CF still living?

The Duke?

REDREAD
07-16-2008, 10:52 PM
Is Willie Mays the only HOF CF still living?

I guess you could count Robin Yount as a CF.. he played roughly half his career in CF. He was admitted into the Hall around 1999 or 2000 IIRC.
I guess he's still alive, but not 100% positive.

Raisor
07-16-2008, 10:59 PM
I guess you could count Robin Yount as a CF.. he played roughly half his career in CF. He was admitted into the Hall around 1999 or 2000 IIRC.
I guess he's still alive, but not 100% positive.

Yount was there last night, as a SS.

REDREAD
07-16-2008, 11:11 PM
Yount was there last night, as a SS.


Ok, well at least I know he's still alive now.. :) I remember him largely as a CF, because that's how he finished, but I guess there's more status in being a HOF SS.. Just kidding, he may have logged more games at SS.

OnBaseMachine
07-17-2008, 01:12 AM
Is Willie Mays the only HOF CF still living?

Willie Mays and Duke Snider are the only two living.