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RedLegSuperStar
07-21-2008, 03:40 PM
With some big names being tossed around and some big names already in new uniforms I like to see what the Reds do. They should have swept the hottest team in baseball or at least took 3 of 4 but managed to split the series with the Mets. If this team is going to compete this late into the season they would likly need a starter and a right handed bat. So here is my logic.

- Sign Freddy Garcia to a two year contract with incentives.

Garcia will fit in the number 4 slot following Harang, Volquez, and Arroyo. Cueto would be your 5th starter.

- Trade Homer Bailey, Matt Maloney, Josh Roenicke, and Sam Lecure to Colorado for Matt Holliday.

Holliday would re-unite with Affeldt and Fogg from last years NL Championship team and would give the Reds the right handed power bat the desperatly need.

_Sir_Charles_
07-21-2008, 03:48 PM
- Trade Homer Bailey, Matt Maloney, Josh Roenicke, and Sam Lecure to Colorado for Matt Holliday.

I wouldn't mind getting Holliday, that's for sure. But from that list, it looks like you may be overpaying to do it. I know people here are down on Homer...but he's still just a kid. He's still got great stuff. A little patience wouldn't hurt. Maloney (once healthy) has a great shot to be a quality middle of the rotation starter. Dumping one starting prospect is one thing...but two? And add to that Roenicke...he's got closer written all over him. Lecure I'm not that familiar with though. But regardless, that's over-paying in my book.

As for Garcia...pass.

RedsManRick
07-21-2008, 03:55 PM
For what it's worth, supposedly the Rockies wanted Adenhart, Kendrick/Aybar, and Santana/Saunders. A package headlined by Bailey wouldn't even come close.

Joseph
07-21-2008, 04:02 PM
I wouldn't mind getting Holliday, that's for sure. But from that list, it looks like you may be overpaying to do it. I know people here are down on Homer...but he's still just a kid. He's still got great stuff. A little patience wouldn't hurt. Maloney (once healthy) has a great shot to be a quality middle of the rotation starter. Dumping one starting prospect is one thing...but two? And add to that Roenicke...he's got closer written all over him. Lecure I'm not that familiar with though. But regardless, that's over-paying in my book.

As for Garcia...pass.

I'm on the other side of the debate than you SC. I think the Rockies would hang up on Jocketty if he called and offered that.

Maloney doesn't project as more than maybe a long guy. The right team might mold him into a passable swing man. Lecures been back and forth in AA, I'm not sure he's going to end up better than Belisle. Roenike is unproven, but promising, and Bailey is still a huge question mark.

If I'm the Rockies I'm asking for Bruce and Volquez, but willing to accept maybe Bailey, Bruce/Votto, and another couple young arms.

redsmetz
07-21-2008, 04:04 PM
I'm on the other side of the debate than you SC. I think the Rockies would hang up on Jocketty if he called and offered that.

Maloney doesn't project as more than maybe a long guy. The right team might mold him into a passable swing man. Lecures been back and forth in AA, I'm not sure he's going to end up better than Belisle. Roenike is unproven, but promising, and Bailey is still a huge question mark.

If I'm the Rockies I'm asking for Bruce and Volquez, but willing to accept maybe Bailey, Bruce/Votto, and another couple young arms.

I came across this on a trade rumor roundup, from the LA Times:


However, should the Angels wish to pursue Holliday, they'll need to dig deeper than one minor league pitcher. The Rockies are believed to be interested in completing a package with second baseman Howie Kendrick, who might hit 60 doubles in Coors Field, and one of the Angels' All-Star starters, Ervin Santana or Joe Saunders.

http://www.faketeams.com/2008/7/20/575319/mlb-trade-rumors-a-sunday

GAC
07-21-2008, 04:16 PM
No thanks on Garcia.

According to his agent, Garcia is throwing 84-87 mph and has avoided setbacks, but is only interested in signing a contract for this season rather than also giving teams an option for 2009.

Agent Peter Greenberg said Wednesday that free agent Freddy Garcia (shoulder) is hoping to workout for teams by the end of this month. "We're hoping to showcase him, if possible, by the end of July," Greenberg said. "We think he's going to help somebody in the majors this year, September and October. If there's somebody that wants to sign him to a multiyear deal, we'll be receptive to that. Our preference is just to sign Freddy for the rest of this year."

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=MLB&id=2739

flyer85
07-21-2008, 04:18 PM
- Trade Homer Bailey, Matt Maloney, Josh Roenicke, and Sam Lecure to Colorado for Matt Holliday.
no, no and no ... man is another Coors Field illusion(and the numbers show it). 2005 thru 2007 he had an OPS of .805 away from Coors. He has very little power outside of Coors field.

PuffyPig
07-21-2008, 04:36 PM
- Sign Freddy Garcia to a two year contract with incentives.

Garcia will fit in the number 4 slot following Harang, Volquez, and Arroyo. Cueto would be your 5th starter.



Consider me crazy, but I prefer my #4 starter being healthy enough to actually pitch.

I wouldn't sign Garcia to a 2 minute contract.

Trading for 1.3 years of Holliday only makes sense if we are going all out for the penneant this year.

If we are, I missed that newsflash.

Rojo
07-21-2008, 04:56 PM
I came across this on a trade rumor roundup, from the LA Times:



http://www.faketeams.com/2008/7/20/575319/mlb-trade-rumors-a-sunday

If this is what COL wants I wonder what we could get for Dunn without asking for a piece of their rotation.

LoganBuck
07-21-2008, 05:00 PM
no, no and no ... man is another Coors Field illusion(and the numbers show it). 2005 thru 2007 he had an OPS of .805 away from Coors. He has very little power outside of Coors field.

And the GABP is a pitchers park?

I would take a run at Holliday, but I don't know if the Reds have the firepower to do it. It would probably take a package of Bailey, Keppinger (I think he would be dynamite at Coors) Roenicke, plus something else not named Frazier, Soto, or Stubbs. It would be an interesting look for the Reds.

flyer85
07-21-2008, 05:08 PM
And the GABP is a pitchers park? Not sure what your point is.

GABP will adds HRs to almost everyone(Coors also adds singles, doubles and triples) ... not just a guy like Holliday. However, when you hit the road the power is going to disappear almost completely. Not the kind of guy to spend a lot of talent or money on.

I wonder what Reds fans would think if Dunn had 5 HRs and 14 RBIs away from GABP.

*BaseClogger*
07-21-2008, 05:28 PM
I'd go get me some Josh Willingham. He can pretty much make up for the loss of Dunn...

schroomytunes
07-21-2008, 06:51 PM
First off I like the idea of us being buyers at the deadline, but it may be hard for us to win a playoff spot, but now is the time to gain momentum into 2009!!!! So no I want no part of Freddy Garcia and Holliday will cost an arm and a leg to land, so here are my ideas:

Reds/White Sox Trade---Bronson Arroyo and David Weathers for
1)Clayton Richard-(AAA) LHSP 25yrs old
2)John Ely-(A+) RHSP 22yrs old
3)Brian Anderson-CF MLB

Reds/Marlins Trade---David Ross for
1) John Raynor-(AA) OF 24yrs old

Reds/Rockies Trade----Devin Mesoraco, Matt Maloney, Sam Lecure, and Shaun Cumberland for

1)Clint Barmes-MLB SS/2B
2)Chris Iannetta-MLB C

Just some ideas to get depth at the minors for pitching as well as bettering the bench for 2009...thoughts

PuffyPig
07-21-2008, 07:25 PM
First off I like the idea of us being buyers at the deadline, but it may be hard for us to win a playoff spot, but now is the time to gain momentum into 2009!!!! So no I want no part of Freddy Garcia and Holliday will cost an arm and a leg to land, so here are my ideas:

Reds/White Sox Trade---Bronson Arroyo and David Weathers for
1)Clayton Richard-(AAA) LHSP 25yrs old
2)John Ely-(A+) RHSP 22yrs old
3)Brian Anderson-CF MLB

Reds/Marlins Trade---David Ross for
1) John Raynor-(AA) OF 24yrs old

Reds/Rockies Trade----Devin Mesoraco, Matt Maloney, Sam Lecure, and Shaun Cumberland for

1)Clint Barmes-MLB SS/2B
2)Chris Iannetta-MLB C

Just some ideas to get depth at the minors for pitching as well as bettering the bench for 2009...thoughts


For the most part, that's not buyers, that's sellers.

flyer85
07-21-2008, 07:44 PM
I'd go get me some Josh Willingham. He can pretty much make up for the loss of Dunn...
snap your fingers and click your heels

boognish
07-21-2008, 09:19 PM
I'd go get me some Josh Willingham. He can pretty much make up for the loss of Dunn...

Willingham is older than Dunn, is not an improvement on defense, and has a bad back. I'll pass.

*BaseClogger*
07-21-2008, 09:38 PM
Willingham is older than Dunn, is not an improvement on defense, and has a bad back. I'll pass.

Yet is under contract for three more years and replaces Dunn's offense. Finding players that are better fits than Adam Dunn is going to be difficult...

boognish
07-21-2008, 09:49 PM
Yet is under contract for three more years and replaces Dunn's offense. Finding players that are better fits than Adam Dunn is going to be difficult...

...then sign Dunn, whose offense is better.

What one would have to give up in talent to acquire Willingham would more than make up for the disparity in the players' salaries going forward.

IslandRed
07-21-2008, 09:56 PM
Well, I don't see any way this team makes the call to be a buyer -- with the intent of trying to win this year -- unless they rattle off a winning streak right up to July 31. Right now, we're nine games out of the wild card with several teams in better position.

It would not be un-Jocketty-like to pull off a trade for a name player, but it would be intended to set us up for next year, not this year.

*BaseClogger*
07-21-2008, 09:58 PM
...then sign Dunn, whose offense is better.

What one would have to give up in talent to acquire Willingham would more than make up for the disparity in the players' salaries going forward.

Except you don't have to commit a five or six year contract to Willingham. I'm all for re-signing Dunn, as long as the terms are reasonable...

boognish
07-21-2008, 10:04 PM
Except you don't have to commit a five or six year contract to Willingham. I'm all for re-signing Dunn, as long as the terms are reasonable...

So give up talent to get the guy with the back problem for three years to minimize the risk?

It's ok, we just don't see this situation the same way.

flyer85
07-21-2008, 10:40 PM
The problem is you won't acquire Willingham for the Reds garbage ... you'd have to give up something of real value.

The Baumer
07-21-2008, 10:50 PM
I wouldn't trade Homer. Did you see his performance in the Dark Knight?

Big Klu
07-21-2008, 11:37 PM
no, no and no ... man is another Coors Field illusion(and the numbers show it). 2005 thru 2007 he had an OPS of .805 away from Coors. He has very little power outside of Coors field.

I agree completely. The thought of Matt Holliday in a Reds uniform would be enough to make me lose my lunch.

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-22-2008, 02:46 AM
I agree completely. The thought of Matt Holliday in a Reds uniform would be enough to make me lose my lunch.

Wow, I disagree completely. I watch and go to a lot of Rockies games. This guy is a winner and a hitter. Overanalyze all the stats you want, Matt Holliday is clutch and the Reds would be significantly better with him in the OF.

Big Klu
07-22-2008, 03:24 AM
Wow, I disagree completely. I watch and go to a lot of Rockies games. This guy is a winner and a hitter. Overanalyze all the stats you want, Matt Holliday is clutch and the Reds would be significantly better with him in the OF.

It has absolutely nothing to do with any stats. I will admit that I haven't seen him play all that much, but the few times I have seen him play definitely left a negative impression on me, both offensively and especially defensively.