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Cyclone792
07-21-2008, 11:04 PM
Burton's the best reliever on this team.

When he gets back, he needs to be the guy closing out games with one or two run leads and pitching in the high leverage 8th/9th inning games. The only save situation Cordero should pitch in is a three run lead or if Burton needs a rest.

I hate the save statistic.

mbgrayson
07-21-2008, 11:05 PM
40 pitches for Cordero. Whatever is wrong w/ him it's only getting compounded by leaving him in this long. Not good.

Padres announcers commenting on how much work Weathers and Cordero have recently.

Cordero has pitched 4 of the last 5 games, and Weathers has too....

Falls City Beer
07-21-2008, 11:05 PM
So much for playing the bad teams.......No cajones reds roll on.

There's nothing more bankrupt than believing that "facing the easy teams" will be the tonic; midseason it's not about easy schedules, it's about who's healthy, who still has gas left in the tank, who's been through late season struggles before.

Easy? Tough? Doesn't matter. This team is on its last legs. Again, no depth.

edabbs44
07-21-2008, 11:06 PM
Don't get too excited, but the 2010 pitching staff has the potential to house Harang, Arroyo and Cordero all at inflated prices. The potential for "Tres Miltones" is only two short years away.

jesusfan
07-21-2008, 11:06 PM
Dunn singles... c'mon Eddie!

Falls City Beer
07-21-2008, 11:07 PM
Don't get too excited, but the 2010 pitching staff has the potential to house Harang, Arroyo and Cordero all at inflated prices. The potential for "Tres Miltones" is only two short years away.

2010? Heck, next year we get rolling pretty good.

Tony Cloninger
07-21-2008, 11:07 PM
The Dodgers hit back to back to back to back homers against Hoffman...last year.

He too me...has become extremely overrated...I worry about EE going against him, however.

jesusfan
07-21-2008, 11:07 PM
Edwin just missed that one by 2 feet...

Stormy
07-21-2008, 11:07 PM
No one ever listens to me. Cordero has the very same problem that Affeldt has: sure both have those sweet K numbers, but both are *constantly* flirting with BBs. Then, in a pinch, they groove a fastball and bam!

That's because you are wrong about virtually everything :D Teasing, you've had this one pretty much nailed on all counts. I haven't watched as much, aside from Cueto and Volquez starts, during recent summer travel season, and didn't realize how much Cordero's control was suffering.

jesusfan
07-21-2008, 11:08 PM
c'mon take one for the team!

jesusfan
07-21-2008, 11:09 PM
Edwin singles... Dunn stays at 2nd... 1st and 2nd with Votto up to end this thing...

jesusfan
07-21-2008, 11:09 PM
alot of pressure for the young kid...

VR
07-21-2008, 11:09 PM
Nice one for David Ross to win tonight

jesusfan
07-21-2008, 11:10 PM
Give Cordero that call!!!

jesusfan
07-21-2008, 11:10 PM
0-2

jesusfan
07-21-2008, 11:11 PM
Votto singles... bases jacked for Rossie!!! C'mon Ross! station to station baseball

guttle11
07-21-2008, 11:11 PM
This is happening...

toledodan
07-21-2008, 11:11 PM
votto single, bases loaded 0 outs.

RedFanAlways1966
07-21-2008, 11:11 PM
The battle of closers...

Stormy
07-21-2008, 11:11 PM
Votto singles, we might have 18 innings in us yet. ;) Or better yet, let's just finish it here with Ross redeeming himself.

jesusfan
07-21-2008, 11:11 PM
Dusty Better Not Pinch Hit For Ross!

toledodan
07-21-2008, 11:12 PM
This is happening...


lets not screw this up!

VR
07-21-2008, 11:12 PM
Cards tie it up on a Molina ground rule double, LaRue single, and Shumaker Sac Fly. It might just be their year again.

jesusfan
07-21-2008, 11:12 PM
Votto singles, we might have 18 innings in us yet. ;) Or better yet, let's just finish it here with Ross redeeming himself.

Ross redeeming himself???

CTA513
07-21-2008, 11:12 PM
Someone knock in 3 runs so we don't have to wait around for another long extra inning game.

flyer85
07-21-2008, 11:12 PM
sure glad Corey is on deck

jesusfan
07-21-2008, 11:12 PM
I've seen them tease us before like this...

Caseyfan21
07-21-2008, 11:13 PM
I've seen them tease us before like this...

Yeah, I see a strikeout then double play...but that's just the pessimist in me shining through.

Let's Go!

Stormy
07-21-2008, 11:13 PM
Ross redeeming himself???

Allusion to the baserunning mistake which wiped out our last chance at a big inning.

jesusfan
07-21-2008, 11:13 PM
wow... that was a strike... lol

guttle11
07-21-2008, 11:13 PM
The ump missed both the last two calls.

jesusfan
07-21-2008, 11:14 PM
Ross swings at a ten footer... just when a big moment is here, Ross stinks... ah well... c'mon Javy!

toledodan
07-21-2008, 11:14 PM
ross stikes out on a pitch at his neck.

Red in Chicago
07-21-2008, 11:14 PM
Yeah, I see a strikeout then double play...but that's just the pessimist in me shining through.

Let's Go!

so far, you're half right...:p:

flyer85
07-21-2008, 11:14 PM
Ross Ks on a pitch at eye level

CrackerJack
07-21-2008, 11:14 PM
Not a good AB for Ross - schooled, powned or whatever those kids call it these days

WVRedsFan
07-21-2008, 11:14 PM
Ross looks like a little leaguer most of the time.

Matt700wlw
07-21-2008, 11:14 PM
Javy to hit

CTA513
07-21-2008, 11:14 PM
Ross whiffs at ball 2 for strike 3.

Matt700wlw
07-21-2008, 11:15 PM
wow

jesusfan
07-21-2008, 11:15 PM
what a joke of a team... Bruce could redeem himself?

guttle11
07-21-2008, 11:15 PM
Bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuce...

pretty please?

toledodan
07-21-2008, 11:15 PM
javy pops out on a awful pitch.

jesusfan
07-21-2008, 11:16 PM
Big Moment!

Matt700wlw
07-21-2008, 11:16 PM
Bruuuuuuuce

Stormy
07-21-2008, 11:16 PM
Ahhh, Valentin... I have no idea what he brings to the table. He must have stolen the incriminating photos from Castro.

jesusfan
07-21-2008, 11:16 PM
2-0... Hit this one to the moon!!!! Deck that is!

VR
07-21-2008, 11:17 PM
Ross looks like a little leaguer most of the time.

We need more little leagues that can OPS over 900 for a few months...

BCubb2003
07-21-2008, 11:17 PM
I hate blown saves worse than anything in baseball!!

The man who invented the save died this weekend.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/1066592,Holtzman072108.article

jesusfan
07-21-2008, 11:17 PM
nice guess... why guess... missed it by 3 feet...

jesusfan
07-21-2008, 11:17 PM
2-2... that was bad...

jesusfan
07-21-2008, 11:17 PM
guess what HOffman is going to throw?

guttle11
07-21-2008, 11:18 PM
Change low and away, Bruce's poison.

jesusfan
07-21-2008, 11:18 PM
We Suck again!

Matt700wlw
07-21-2008, 11:18 PM
joke of a team.

toledodan
07-21-2008, 11:18 PM
bruce k's. bases loaded 0 outs and don't score. please blow this team up now.

flyer85
07-21-2008, 11:19 PM
Hoffman got the last 3 Reds out by throwing one strike in his last 10 pitches

jesusfan
07-21-2008, 11:19 PM
that's unreal... bases jacked... nothing at all! How in the world?

jesusfan
07-21-2008, 11:20 PM
Why do I look at the schedule and see wins??? We always lose those games... They must be licking their chops playing the Reds...

CTA513
07-21-2008, 11:20 PM
Hoffman got the last 3 Reds out by throwing one strike in his last 10 pitches

Not surprising

Matt700wlw
07-21-2008, 11:20 PM
We Suck again!

They always did

Stormy
07-21-2008, 11:20 PM
Hey jesusfan, that's a great quote by Chesterton in your signature line.

Oh well, another night, another defeat snatched from the jaws of victory.

mbgrayson
07-21-2008, 11:21 PM
Ross, Valentin, and Bruce should have to run laps around the field tonight....

flyer85
07-21-2008, 11:21 PM
that's unreal... bases jacked... nothing at all! How in the world?
simple ... swing at balls

Cicero
07-21-2008, 11:21 PM
Okay that was ugly. Losing games like this to teams we should beat is the reason we can't get to .500

Cordero needs a day or two off and someone needs to pistol whip the last three batters in tonights game.

Tony Cloninger
07-21-2008, 11:21 PM
2 and 0 ...I am yelling it's a changeup......and after that swing.....forget it....it was all he was going to see.

WVRedsFan
07-21-2008, 11:22 PM
Going for the high pitch is a little league move. Sorry if he is OPS'ing or whatever, he looked bad there when we needed him to have a good eye. Something this team just can't resist doing--hacking away.

I came in late on this one and I should have stayed away, but it's like the car wreck on the side of the road. I cannot resist looking. That's three games since the break we should have won.

Caseyfan21
07-21-2008, 11:23 PM
I came in late on this one and I should have stayed away, but it's like the car wreck on the side of the road. I cannot resist looking. That's three games since the break we should have won.

Sort of how I feel most nights watching the Reds...

flyer85
07-21-2008, 11:24 PM
2 and 0 ...I am yelling it's a changeup.
watching with the wife and I tell her no way is Bruce getting a 2-0 fastball

Tony Cloninger
07-21-2008, 11:24 PM
Ross had not hacked at all this game.....he just saw something fast actually coming for Hoffman....and he could not resist. Many hitters have this problem....I had it back in college....so that's why I am here.....posting on RZ.

flyer85
07-21-2008, 11:25 PM
Going for the high pitch is a little league move. Sorry if he is OPS'ing or whatever, he looked bad there when we needed him to have a good eye. Something this team just can't resist doing--hacking away.

I came in late on this one and I should have stayed away, but it's like the car wreck on the side of the road. I cannot resist looking. That's three games since the break we should have won.and people wonder what the offense will look like when the 2 most patient hitters go away.

Tony Cloninger
07-21-2008, 11:28 PM
Pre-1920's baseball?

WVRedsFan
07-21-2008, 11:33 PM
I also wonder what use Valentin has. How many pitches did he see?

And Ross is just Ross. He is hitting well this year, so we forgive the rest of his faults. Sad part is there's not much better out there. Javier is the guys who gets my goat. He can't catch, he hacks and he takes up space. He needs to go soon. Bruce is young. He's not there yet but probably will be. The Reds got good at-bats from everyone until Ross' misjudgment and the rest of the gang did what they do best. popup and strike out.

Guys, I've been a Reds fan forever, but losing them in the 9th after having your $50 million closer pitch batting practice and then loading the bases with no outs and see strikeout on a bad pitch, a pop up on the first pitch, and another strikeout is a little much to take. Forgive my testiness, but this is the reason why this team does not look very good for 2009. Too many parts that don't fit.

WVRedsFan
07-21-2008, 11:36 PM
Welsh goes off on the Reds while George pimps Hoffman for the Hall of Fame over and over. Chris almost yells at George. Great theatre.

flyer85
07-21-2008, 11:37 PM
I also wonder what use Valentin has. How many pitches did he see?the problem was the pitch he swung at almost hit him.

Tony Cloninger
07-21-2008, 11:44 PM
Forget about george.....he is off on his own trip down...offering no analysis or in depth commentary..EVER. Except when someone sadly passes away.


In times like these...I wish for the musings of Mike De La Hoz.

KronoRed
07-22-2008, 12:05 AM
simple ... swing at balls

Yep, hacked their way out of a good inning.

GO TEAM.

flyer85
07-22-2008, 12:11 AM
Yep, hacked their way out of a good inning.

GO TEAM.
that's what really bothers me about this team, they rarely allow a pitcher to get himself into trouble. They have too many hackers in the lineup and it needs to be addressed. I also think Dusty is a big part of the problem.

Big Klu
07-22-2008, 12:19 AM
Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds All-Time Home Run Leaders
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Adam Dunn - 266
5. Ted Kluszewski - 251
6. George Foster - 244
7. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 208
8. Eric Davis - 203
9. Barry Larkin - 198
10. Vada Pinson - 186
11. Wally Post - 172
12. Gus Bell - 160
13. Joe Morgan - 152
13. Pete Rose - 152
15. Lee May - 147
16. Dan Driessen - 133
17. Reggie Sanders - 125
18. Ernie Lombardi - 120
19. Sean Casey - 118
20. Frank McCormick - 110
21. Dave Parker - 107
22. Chris Sabo - 104
23. Dave Concepcion - 101
24. Gordy Coleman - 98
25. Paul O'Neill - 96

WVRedsFan
07-22-2008, 12:23 AM
that's what really bothers me about this team, they rarely allow a pitcher to get himself into trouble. They have too many hackers in the lineup and it needs to be addressed. I also think Dusty is a big part of the problem.

I'm not blaming Dusty because this team has a history long before Dusty. Remember Narron encouraging Dunn to swing more often? One example of folks all over baseball really not understanding baseball. Or something like that.

Truth is we have the young Bruce, who can be exused because he's so young, Phillips, Encarnacion, Ross, Patterson, Valentin, and sometimes even Votto and Griffey who love to hack at that first pitch. Tonight, Hoffman didn't throw many strikes--I estimated it at 8--but there we were just swinging from the heels. Leave him alone and he walks in the tying runs, but nooo. Unintelligent hitting. OTOH, we had Cordero doing the same thing and what were the Padres doing? Not swinging at those low off the plate pitches and he walks three, finally has to throw one in there and the result was 3 runs. Why can't our guys see this? I have no idea.