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Red in Chicago
07-22-2008, 08:19 PM
sorry, just got home...someone please post lineups and carry on...

Screwball
07-22-2008, 08:20 PM
Cueto looked pretty tough in the first. 2 Ks, a walk, and a pop-up. His fastball hit 96 at one point.

Bruce with a solid base knock into right to start off the bottom of the first.

Homer Bailey
07-22-2008, 08:23 PM
1-6-3 DP but Bruce was safe at 2nd. Of course the call is blown. Greene didn't have his foot on the bag when he caught the ball.

flyer85
07-22-2008, 08:24 PM
dusty sure takes it easy on opposing rhps

Screwball
07-22-2008, 08:28 PM
Phillips strikes out on a breaking ball way down and away. Seems RHPs know what we know - he'll chase that just about every time with 2 strikes.

Homer Bailey
07-22-2008, 08:30 PM
dusty sure takes it easy on opposing rhps

Does it out of respect. Wouldn't want Peavy to dislike Dusty. After all, he is a players manager.

Screwball
07-22-2008, 08:33 PM
Cueto: 2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 3 K, 1 BB.

28 pitches through 2.

Screwball
07-22-2008, 08:36 PM
Dunn with a rocket that one hops the RF wall. He hits it too hard so he's held to a single.

Screwball
07-22-2008, 08:37 PM
Valentin with his obligatory out.

Screwball
07-22-2008, 08:39 PM
EE pops out to short. Dunn still on first with 2 out.

Bako now up.

Razor Shines
07-22-2008, 08:39 PM
Valentin with his obligatory out.

Out of respect for Dusty's respect for Peavy.

Homer Bailey
07-22-2008, 08:39 PM
The Reds really don't have any good hitting catchers. Somehow Dusty manages to get two of them in the lineup without using a DH.

VR
07-22-2008, 08:40 PM
Does it out of respect. Wouldn't want Peavy to dislike Dusty. After all, he is a players manager.

Peavy has earned the right to face a lesser lineup. He's old school.

Screwball
07-22-2008, 08:41 PM
Peavy's 2008 splits:

RHB: .192/.242/.346/.588
LHB: .267/.324/.405/.729

His career splits look very similar as well. Dude's just death on righties.

BTW, Bako struck out.

Homer Bailey
07-22-2008, 08:42 PM
Did anyone notice that it took George Grande exactly 8 seconds into the broadcast to say "get em on get em over get em in?"

Literally:

"Along with the crafty left hander Chris Welsh, I'm George Grande. Get em on get em over get em in..... blah blah blah."

My finger went right to mute.

Screwball
07-22-2008, 08:44 PM
Cueto leads off the 3rd by clipping the catcher Carlin's foot.

Runner on 1st with no out as Peavy steps in to bunt.

Screwball
07-22-2008, 08:45 PM
Peavy strikes out trying to bunt. 4 Ks for Cueto.

Matt700wlw
07-22-2008, 08:46 PM
Dunn with a rocket that one hops the RF wall. He hits it too hard so he's held to a single.

He can't even double correctly ;)

Screwball
07-22-2008, 08:47 PM
Pete Rose wearing possibly the ugliest hat ever made.

Tom Servo
07-22-2008, 08:47 PM
Nice lime green hat, Pete.

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 08:49 PM
Dunn has been hot lately... So has Cueto... nice pitch!

Screwball
07-22-2008, 08:49 PM
Lil' Hairston goes down swinging on a slider. 5 Ks for Cueto.

Tom Servo
07-22-2008, 08:49 PM
I had just asked my dad if Cueto always had a red glove because I couldn't recall him ever having it before, and then Welsh answers that question.

Screwball
07-22-2008, 08:52 PM
Cueto jams Edgar Gonzalez but he's able to muscle it over the head of Phillips for a bloop single.

1st and 3rd with two out as the always tough Brian Giles digs in.

Matt700wlw
07-22-2008, 08:54 PM
filthy

Ltlabner
07-22-2008, 08:55 PM
Thom B describes Cueto's pitch as "wicked"

Tom Servo
07-22-2008, 08:55 PM
Stupid Giles.

VR
07-22-2008, 08:55 PM
The Reds really don't have any good hitting catchers. Somehow Dusty manages to get two of them in the lineup without using a DH.

Ross has OPS'ed 1.058 over the last month

Bako has OPS'ed .398 over the last month.



It's so scary that Bako keeps getting run out there.

Screwball
07-22-2008, 08:55 PM
Giles, of course, doubles into RCF to plate two.

2-0 Padres.

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 08:57 PM
Another day... Same ole Reds...

Screwball
07-22-2008, 08:57 PM
Adrian Gonzalez is also jammed but muscles one into RF for a single scoring Giles.

3-0 Padres.

Matt700wlw
07-22-2008, 08:57 PM
3-0. Wow.

VR
07-22-2008, 08:57 PM
Has Cueto ever had a one run inning? It's all or nuttin' with that boy.

Falls City Beer
07-22-2008, 08:58 PM
Come on. Who didn't see this coming?

Screwball
07-22-2008, 08:59 PM
Cueto pitching better than his runs allowed indicates. I saw about 2 bad pitches that inning, yet 3 runs scored.

Screwball
07-22-2008, 09:02 PM
Cueto grounds out to 1st.

1 out in the bottom of the 3rd.

Matt700wlw
07-22-2008, 09:02 PM
Padres are 8-0 vs the Reds when Peavy starts

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 09:02 PM
Bruce singles to left...

Screwball
07-22-2008, 09:03 PM
Bruce singles sharply into LF. He's 2-2 so far.

Runner on 1st with 1 out. Kepp up.

Red in Chicago
07-22-2008, 09:03 PM
i would love to hear an interview between harang and castellini...now that would be something keeping me at the edge of my seat

Matt700wlw
07-22-2008, 09:03 PM
Bruce!!

Hollcat
07-22-2008, 09:03 PM
All Reds Killer team

Brian McCann
Brian Giles
Bill Hall
Lance Berkman
Jason Bay
Albert Pujols

Seems as is Kouzmanoff is becoming one.
Who else belongs on the list?

Screwball
07-22-2008, 09:04 PM
Kepp flies out to CF. 2 out with Bruce still on 1st.

Griff settles in.

flyer85
07-22-2008, 09:04 PM
Bruce singles sharply into LF. He's 2-2 so far.

Runner on 1st with 1 out. Kepp up.too bad Dusty didn't bat a couple of LHBs right behind. A lefty specialist isn't going to matter when you don't score off the starter.

Hollcat
07-22-2008, 09:05 PM
All Reds Killer team

Brian McCann
Brian Giles
Bill Hall
Lance Berkman
Jason Bay
Albert Pujols

Seems as is Kouzmanoff is becoming one.
Who else belongs on the list?


Also Mike Fontenot is working his way onto the list.

klw
07-22-2008, 09:05 PM
All Reds Killer team

Brian McCann
Brian Giles
Bill Hall
Lance Berkman
Jason Bay
Albert Pujols

Seems as is Kouzmanoff is becoming one.
Who else belongs on the list?

Roy Oswalt
Tom Glavine

Screwball
07-22-2008, 09:05 PM
All Reds Killer team

Brian McCann
Brian Giles
Bill Hall
Lance Berkman
Jason Bay
Albert Pujols

Seems as is Kouzmanoff is becoming one.
Who else belongs on the list?

Adam LaRoche this year.

Screwball
07-22-2008, 09:07 PM
Yikes, don't know about that called strike 3 on Griff. At any rate, he strikes out. ETA: Gameday has it at the knees and on the corner. Great pitch by Peavy.

3-0 Pads after 3.

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 09:08 PM
It's a little bit different when those guys are on everyone's all time killers list... It's guys like Bill Hall and Jeff Suppan over the years that have killed us that kills me!

Screwball
07-22-2008, 09:09 PM
Chase Headley flies out to shallow LF.

1 down and Khalil Greene's now up.

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 09:10 PM
Khalil Green Killing us now...

Screwball
07-22-2008, 09:11 PM
Greene smokes a 3-2 pitch into deep LCF for a double. Both doubles against Cueto have come on full counts.

Runner on 2nd, 1 out with Carlin due up.

Screwball
07-22-2008, 09:12 PM
Cueto's changeup is nasty. Not sure why he doesn't throw it more often.

VR
07-22-2008, 09:14 PM
Cueto's changeup is nasty. Not sure why he doesn't throw it more often.

Bako calling the game.

Screwball
07-22-2008, 09:14 PM
Luke Carlin grounds weakly to 2nd on a good changeup. Greene, however, advances to 3rd.

2 out with Peavy at bat.

Screwball
07-22-2008, 09:15 PM
Bako calling the game.

Is he still not allowed to shake him off?

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 09:15 PM
3-0 mid 4...

Hollcat
07-22-2008, 09:16 PM
I'm surprised we got Peavy out. It seems like pitchers have killed us in key situations this year.

Screwball
07-22-2008, 09:17 PM
Peavy Ks on a hard slider down and away. 6 Ks against just 1 BB for Cueto through 4. 75 pitches thrown though.

Still 3-0 Pads in the middle of 4.

Screwball
07-22-2008, 09:19 PM
Phillips grounds to 2nd. 1 out.

Dunn up.

Screwball
07-22-2008, 09:21 PM
Dunn smokes one to the right side of the field but The Shift gets him out. 2 down, nobody on with Valentin now up.

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 09:22 PM
Javy singles to left... c'mon Edwin

Screwball
07-22-2008, 09:23 PM
Valentin forgets to make an out and singles into left. :)

Stormy
07-22-2008, 09:23 PM
Come on. Who didn't see this coming?

See what coming?

Screwball
07-22-2008, 09:24 PM
EE with a good eye works the walk. Runners at 1st and 2nd with, sigh, Bako now up.

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 09:24 PM
Edwin walks... 1st and 2nd for Bako...

WVRedsFan
07-22-2008, 09:25 PM
It's now or never, Bako.

Stormy
07-22-2008, 09:26 PM
Cueto pitching better than his runs allowed indicates. I saw about 2 bad pitches that inning, yet 3 runs scored.

Agreed. Filthy movement, throwing 3 pitches for strikes, missing bats galore, and stellar control. He grooved one bad 3-2 fastball to Giles, one pitch after Giles barely stayed alive on a wicked slider. It happens to the greatest of them... Cueto is an absolutely phenomenal talent, with a potentially better arsenal than Volquez IMHO.

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 09:26 PM
Bako K's.. why does he still play???

WVRedsFan
07-22-2008, 09:26 PM
Never. Bako K's.

Screwball
07-22-2008, 09:27 PM
Peavy outclasses Bako and adds another K to his total. 4 for him through 4.

3-0 Fathers.

WVRedsFan
07-22-2008, 09:28 PM
Bako K's.. why does he still play???

Well...

After last night's performance by Ross and Bako reverting back to his norm, it just might be that it doesn't matter who catches. Ross has been the best so far, but he's due for his annual swoon.

Kc61
07-22-2008, 09:28 PM
Watching this game, I get the feeling the season ended last night in the ninth inning. Well, we made it to late July this year. It's been worse.

Falls City Beer
07-22-2008, 09:28 PM
Bako K's.. why does he still play???

Catchers can't play every day. And it's not like Ross is good enough to play 5 out of every 6. At least Bako calls a decent game and doesn't shrink from collisions at the plate.

Homer Bailey
07-22-2008, 09:29 PM
Bako strikes out every time.

flyer85
07-22-2008, 09:29 PM
Bako has completed his transition back to a pumpkin

Kc61
07-22-2008, 09:29 PM
Catchers can't play every day. And it's not like Ross is good enough to play 5 out of every 6. At least Bako calls a decent game and doesn't shrink from collisions at the plate.

Item number one for this off season is to acquire a solid lead catcher.

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 09:31 PM
Catchers can't play every day. And it's not like Ross is good enough to play 5 out of every 6. At least Bako calls a decent game and doesn't shrink from collisions at the plate.

It would be different if Bako played once or twice a week... I take Ross anyday over Bako... not saying Ross is great, but he sure is better than Bako...

Personally, I'd like to sign pudge for two years, if the price is right...

Screwball
07-22-2008, 09:31 PM
Watching this game, I get the feeling the season ended last night in the ninth inning. Well, we made it to late July this year. It's been worse.

Eh, tough to look like a good team against Peavy. But I know what ya mean. Last night really seemed to take the wind out of the Reds' (and the fans'?) sails.

Lil' Hairston grounds back to Cueto. 1 out.

Edgar Gonzalez also grounds back to Cueto. 2 out.

Brian [freaking] Giles due up.

WVRedsFan
07-22-2008, 09:32 PM
Item number one for this off season is to acquire a solid lead catcher.
I keep hearing that we have our lead catcher in Ross. I don't believe it, but that's what I hear.

I say deep-6 all three and start over.

Kc61
07-22-2008, 09:32 PM
It would be different if Bako played once or twice a week... I take Ross anyday over Bako... not saying Ross is great, but he sure is better than Bako...

Personally, I'd like to sign pudge for two years, if the price is right...

Ross is a good platoon guy. Or maybe a back up who gets a fair amount of playing time. But the team, offensively and defensively, needs a lead catcher. There is nobody in the high minors who is going to be a starting catcher for this team so the guy has to come from outside.

Stormy
07-22-2008, 09:34 PM
Giles has been giving Cueto fits, fouling off every nasty out pitch thrown to him... I'm not sure what more you can do than walk him.

95mph heat, 87mph slider down and in, 83mph change away... all fouled off. If not for Giles, Cueto would be cruising tonight, and would have thrown far fewer pitches.

Screwball
07-22-2008, 09:34 PM
Cueto throwing everything but the kitchen sink at Giles (on the black no less), and he keeps managing to stay alive.

Giles eventually walks. He's been on base all 3 times up. He's good.

2 out with Adrian Gonzalez now up.

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 09:36 PM
In the offseason I offer pudge 2 years 15 million and see if he bites... That is if someone else doesn't pay high dollar for him.. It's hard to say what the market for him will be... Pudge, C.C, and resign Dunn is my wish list, if not going to resign Dunn you have to get Milton Bradley or Burrell..

VR
07-22-2008, 09:37 PM
Well...

After last night's performance by Ross and Bako reverting back to his norm, it just might be that it doesn't matter who catches. Ross has been the best so far, but he's due for his annual swoon.

Getting a great performance out of Homer? His double? Two walks?

Not sure what was so brutal about last night's performance.

Screwball
07-22-2008, 09:37 PM
Cueto seems to be laboring. He walks A-Gon.

Runners on 1st and 2nd now with the 2 out. Reds killer Kouzmanoff now up.

WVRedsFan
07-22-2008, 09:38 PM
In the offseason I offer pudge 2 years 15 million and see if he bites... That is if someone else doesn't pay high dollar for him.. It's hard to say what the market for him will be... Pudge, C.C, and resign Dunn is my wish list, if not going to resign Dunn you have to get Milton Bradley or Burrell..Great wish list, but I don't think you'll see "Pudge" or CC in a Reds uniform next--and maybe not even Dunn

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 09:39 PM
Getting a great performance out of Homer? His double? Two walks?

Not sure what was so brutal about last night's performance.

Everyone keeps referencing to the base-running blunder... People just pick guys who they want to hate... Ross has been great the last 3 weeks... I know he's not going to be a .280-.300 hitter, but how many teams have catchers that are...

Kc61
07-22-2008, 09:39 PM
In the offseason I offer pudge 2 years 15 million and see if he bites... That is if someone else doesn't pay high dollar for him.. It's hard to say what the market for him will be... Pudge, C.C, and resign Dunn is my wish list, if not going to resign Dunn you have to get Milton Bradley or Burrell..

That's one way to go.

Reds would also need a very good fourth outfielder because, without Griffey, you have Hairston starting and he is injury prone. So they can't just go with Dunn, Hairston and Bruce. They need a good fourth.

That also leaves the left side of the infield. Not sure shortstop is resolved. Quite sure EE will stay at third next year, hope he cuts down on the errors.

There really is quite a bit to do with this team.

WVRedsFan
07-22-2008, 09:40 PM
Getting a great performance out of Homer? His double? Two walks?

Not sure what was so brutal about last night's performance.

Think hard...I think you might remember :).

I understand him not playing tonight, Peavy is tough.

Stormy
07-22-2008, 09:40 PM
Good work to get out of that inning by the kid. Cueto is such a stud in the making.

Screwball
07-22-2008, 09:41 PM
Great slider down and away gets Kouz to go down swinging. 7 Ks for Cueto through 5. Unfortunately, he's at 99 pitches thrown. My guess is Dusty still sends him back out.

3-0 Padres in the middle of 5.

CTA513
07-22-2008, 09:41 PM
Cueto should be done after this inning.

lollipopcurve
07-22-2008, 09:42 PM
Cueto should be pulled. 100 pitches.

Then again, there's no long man and a few guys in the pen are burnt.

Kc61
07-22-2008, 09:43 PM
Good work to get out of that inning by the kid. Cueto is such a stud in the making.

Every game he makes one or two critical mistakes. That's really what he needs to overcome.

Bruce, Volquez and Cueto are three very valuable people for the Reds.

lollipopcurve
07-22-2008, 09:43 PM
Of course, Dusty is running him out there.

CTA513
07-22-2008, 09:43 PM
It looks like Cueto will be pitching the 6th.

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 09:43 PM
That's one way to go.

Reds would also need a very good fourth outfielder because, without Griffey, you have Hairston starting and he is injury prone. So they can't just go with Dunn, Hairston and Bruce. They need a good fourth.

That also leaves the left side of the infield. Not sure shortstop is resolved. Quite sure EE will stay at third next year, hope he cuts down on the errors.

There really is quite a bit to do with this team.

Pudge would solve many problems in my opinion, not only with the bat but in the heads of the young pitchers too... Personally, I think this line-up would be a thing of beauty.. I know Pudge isn't your ideal 4 hitter, but he will make contact, hit in the clutch and provide protection for Bruce and/or Dunn... I'd love this.... Add C.C to the rotation... C.C, Volquez, Harang, Cueto, Bailey!

1. Hairston-CF
2. Keppinger-SS
3. Bruce-RF
4. Pudge-C
5. Dunn-LF
6. Phillips-2nd
7. Votto- 1st
8. Encarnacion-3rd
9. Pitcher

Kc61
07-22-2008, 09:44 PM
Dusty must save the bullpen tonight. And he doesn't want to use the back of the bullpen too early, he's trying to compete in the game.

So one more inning for Cueto is ok here. But that's all.

Screwball
07-22-2008, 09:44 PM
Cueto with a swinging bunt. Carlins throws a rocket down to first to get Cueto by about half a step. Nice play by the Padres catcher there.

1 out, nobody on here in the 5th. Bruce up. He pops out to 3rd. 2 down.

Kepp up.

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 09:45 PM
wow... I almost missed that inning... Had to take a breath and blink... 3-0 after 5...

Screwball
07-22-2008, 09:45 PM
Reds with a quick bottom of the 5th. They go down 1-2-3 in about 2 pitches, or something like that.

Still 3-0 Papas.

ETA: Peavy at 76 ptiches through 5. With his stuff tonight and the way this team hates to take pitches, a CG isn't out of the question.

lollipopcurve
07-22-2008, 09:46 PM
So Peavy gets a 5 pitch inning and Cueto is right back out on the mound after running hard to first, on the heels of a pretty long 5th.

This staff is poorly managed.

Stormy
07-22-2008, 09:47 PM
Man, wish our "offense" could have given Cueto more than a 3 minute rest, coming out of that laborious inning. Wonder how far Dusty will allow him to go this inning?

lollipopcurve
07-22-2008, 09:48 PM
So one more inning for Cueto is ok here. But that's all.

Disagree. He could be at 115 before he knows it, and that's too many. Let Coffey and Majewski finish the game.

Kc61
07-22-2008, 09:48 PM
Pudge would solve many problems in my opinion, not only with the bat but in the heads of the young pitchers too... Personally, I think this line-up would be a thing of beauty.. I know Pudge isn't your ideal 4 hitter, but he will make contact, hit in the clutch and provide protection for Bruce and/or Dunn... I'd love this.... Add C.C to the rotation... C.C, Volquez, Harang, Cueto, Bailey!

1. Hairston-CF
2. Keppinger-SS
3. Bruce-RF
4. Pudge-C
5. Dunn-LF
6. Phillips-2nd
7. Votto- 1st
8. Encarnacion-3rd
9. Pitcher

Somehow, I don't think Keppinger will be at short next year. Maybe EE bats second and Gonzalez hits eighth at short. Or someone new at short. Kepp can hit, but the Reds may want more range there to help the pitching out.

We'll see.

What I want to see soon is the following four righties in the pen -- Cordero, Burton, Roenicke and Zach Stewart (high pick this year, moving up quickly). Four hard throwing righties. With Bray and another good lefty flame thrower.

HokieRed
07-22-2008, 09:49 PM
Why run Cueto out there? We're not going to beat Peavy anyway. Put in Coffey and Majewski and let em pitch.

Screwball
07-22-2008, 09:50 PM
Cueto strikes out Headley, but the ball gets by Bako so Headley is safe at first. 8 Ks for Cueto, but the leadoff runner is on 1st.

Greene now due up.

WVRedsFan
07-22-2008, 09:50 PM
Man, wish our "offense" could have given Cueto more than a 3 minute rest, coming out of that laborious inning. Wonder how far Dusty will allow him to go this inning?

This is what I call the danger zone for Cueto. It's a pretty good pitching performance that might turn into a disaster if he goes much farther.

Time to see what Coffey has.

BTW, want to talk about catching now. K and on first. Wow.

Homer Bailey
07-22-2008, 09:51 PM
It amazes me how much Bailey looks like Christian Bale

http://wayangtopia.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/christian-bale-posters.jpg

http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/images/2005/04/18/mTKFAmGl.jpg

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 09:52 PM
Somehow, I don't think Keppinger will be at short next year. Maybe EE bats second and Gonzalez hits eighth at short. Or someone new at short. Kepp can hit, but the Reds may want more range there to help the pitching out.

We'll see.

What I want to see soon is the following four righties in the pen -- Cordero, Burton, Roenicke and Zach Stewart (high pick this year, moving up quickly). Four hard throwing righties. With Bray and another good lefty flame thrower.

I agree.. .I just really really want the reds to go after Pudge and C.C... Re-sign Dunn or not, those are the two I really want... we will need a few more outfielders though..

Screwball
07-22-2008, 09:52 PM
9th K by Cueto on Greene on another slider (shocking, I know). 1 out, runner on 1st.

Carlin now up.

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 09:53 PM
113 pitches and counting...

HumnHilghtFreel
07-22-2008, 09:54 PM
113 pitches and counting...

Yeah, I know Dusty wants to rest the bullpen... but this isn't exactly the best way to do it

WVRedsFan
07-22-2008, 09:54 PM
we will need a few more outfielders though..

My biggest fear is that they'll let Dunn and Griffey walk, and we'll be left with Bruce, Hopper, and Freel in the outfield next year. Yes, we need a power hitting outfielder to replace those two, but they come at a premium that might make Dunn look cheap.

Kc61
07-22-2008, 09:55 PM
113 pitches and counting...

It's ok. The pen is gassed, Cueto isn't laboring out there.

I just have a problem with babying these starting pitchers too much. They need to be trained to go seven or eight innings.

Majewski is warming, if this inning goes any longer he'll get the call.

Two outs, pitcher up. Last batter for Cueto whatever happens.

Screwball
07-22-2008, 09:55 PM
Cueto induces a full-count groundout from Carlin. 2 outs, runner on 2nd.

Cueto should be out of the inning, but he'll now face Peavy.

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 09:55 PM
Cueto at 118 pitches... This HAS to be his last batter...!!!

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 09:56 PM
It's ok. The pen is gassed, Cueto isn't laboring out there.

I just have a problem with babying these starting pitchers too much. They need to be trained to go seven or eight innings.

Majewski is warming, if this inning goes much longer he'll get the call.

Two outs, pitcher up. Last batter for Cueto whatever happens.

I agree... I was just telling the number of pitches... I know that gets alot of people worked up around here... 120 pitches is a bunch though...

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 09:57 PM
Cueto with his 10th K! 3-0 mid 6... C'mon Offense!

WVRedsFan
07-22-2008, 09:57 PM
Good job by Cueto. Quality start. Only our putrid offense against a good pitcher ruins it.

Screwball
07-22-2008, 09:57 PM
Peavy with an 0-2 liner down the left field line but it mercifully goes foul.

Cueto then gets him to strikeout on a... wait for it... slider down and away. 10 Ks for Cueto against just 1 BB. I don't care about the 3 earned runs. Great, great pitching by the young phenom tonight.

ETA: 120 pitches for Johnny tonight.

lollipopcurve
07-22-2008, 09:58 PM
They need to be trained to go seven or eight innings.

They need to be trained to be pitch efficient, allowing them to go 7-8 without hitting 130 pitches.

lollipopcurve
07-22-2008, 09:59 PM
120 pitches is a bunch though..

Yep.

Cueto was leading off the bottom of the fifth -- perfect spot for a pinch hitter in a game you trail by 3.

WVRedsFan
07-22-2008, 09:59 PM
Our young pitchers get squeezed a lot, adding to those pitch counts.

Screwball
07-22-2008, 10:00 PM
They need to be trained to be pitch efficient, allowing them to go 7-8 without hitting 130 pitches.

Agreed. IMO, pitch count is far more important than innings pitched.

Kc61
07-22-2008, 10:00 PM
Reds with an off day Thursday. Unless Fogg really got hurt tonight, Cueto will get an extra rest day next time through.

Cueto showed something there. Pitching with 100 pitches his stuff seemed better, not worse. He pitched very well tonight, just needs to avoid those occasional lapses.

Very glad to see Cueto tonight because he was the only reason to tune in.

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 10:01 PM
Griffey walks... c'mon BP!

WVRedsFan
07-22-2008, 10:01 PM
Got in late. Did anyone on either broadcast mention how Fogg was? It seems only Fay and C. Trent know anything about it.

Screwball
07-22-2008, 10:01 PM
Leading off the bottom of the 6th, Griff works the count full and then walks.

For the 3rd time tonight, the Reds have the leadoff batter on base. Let's see what they can do with it now.

Screwball
07-22-2008, 10:02 PM
Phillips with a solid single up the middle into CF.

Runners on 1st and 2nd and nobody out with Dunn now up.

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 10:03 PM
Phillips kills it up the middle... 1st and 2nd with Dunn up... shew... can we make something happen w/o ruining our chances tonight?

lollipopcurve
07-22-2008, 10:03 PM
Unless Fogg really got hurt tonight, Cueto will get an extra rest day next time through.

And if he did get hurt and has to miss the start, they should bring someone up to take his place, so others can take advantage of the off day.

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 10:03 PM
Dunn didn't like that shin burner....

Screwball
07-22-2008, 10:03 PM
Terrible called strike on 1-0 to Dunn there.

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 10:04 PM
Dunn grounds into a 4-6 FC... weak attempt to break up the DP by Phillips.. wow lol

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 10:04 PM
c'mon Javy! Would love Votto here...

Screwball
07-22-2008, 10:04 PM
Dunn hits a tailor made DP ball to 2nd, but he's able to somehow beat it out. Runners on 1st and 3rd now with 1 out.

Valentin digs in.

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 10:05 PM
what in the world? I'm not even saying anything... what... yes that run means something Welsh!

Screwball
07-22-2008, 10:05 PM
Valentin flies out to shallow center, unable to score Griffey.

EE up with 2 out and runners on the corners. Need a base hit now to score.

WVRedsFan
07-22-2008, 10:05 PM
Brandon jogged to first on his single and slides five feet in front of the bag.

Edwin now up -- come on!

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 10:06 PM
Brandon jogged to first on his single and slides five feet in front of the bag.

Edwin now up -- come on!

Yea... and Welsh said it was great base running to break up the double play... do they even watch the game???

lollipopcurve
07-22-2008, 10:06 PM
Edwin down 0-2

sliders coming

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 10:07 PM
Edwin ducks away from that one...

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 10:07 PM
Edwin hanging tough...

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 10:09 PM
3-2 coming...

Homer Bailey
07-22-2008, 10:09 PM
Pinch hit for Bako please. Ugh.

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 10:10 PM
Edwin walks... great ab... c'mon now pinch hit Votto for Bako!!!

HumnHilghtFreel
07-22-2008, 10:10 PM
Great AB there by Edwin

flyer85
07-22-2008, 10:10 PM
must PH for Bako

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 10:10 PM
YES! Thank you Dusty Baker... you listened to me...

WVRedsFan
07-22-2008, 10:10 PM
Bako up to K for the third time. No! Here comes Votto!

RedsManRick
07-22-2008, 10:10 PM
Great AB by EE. Now up to 8 BB to just 5 K in the month of July. Some kind of hot.

Screwball
07-22-2008, 10:10 PM
If nothing else, Edwin's battling. 9 pitches this AB.

Great job by EE to work the walk and to load the bases. However, Dusty inexplicably leaves Bako in to hit with 2 out.

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 10:10 PM
Even if Votto doesn't do anything right here at least Baker has made the right move... what, NO WAY!!! BAKO WILL HIT!!!! OKAY... IM DONE!

RedsManRick
07-22-2008, 10:11 PM
You have to be kidding me. Letting Bako hit and putting Votto on deck. There are two outs Dusty! Bako is horrible and everybody knows it but Dusty Baker. God forbid you actually try and plate the runs now and worry about late game subs later. Heck, you can move Javy behind the plate and don't have to burn a guy.

Homer Bailey
07-22-2008, 10:11 PM
YES! Thank you Dusty Baker... you listened to me...

No he didnt. Unreal.

Kc61
07-22-2008, 10:11 PM
Peavy, knowing that Bako is on deck, walks EE to load the bases with no concern.

flyer85
07-22-2008, 10:11 PM
Dusty is a freaking ____________

Matt700wlw
07-22-2008, 10:11 PM
Votto to hit

WVRedsFan
07-22-2008, 10:11 PM
NO, it's Bako. We're doomed.

dougdirt
07-22-2008, 10:11 PM
What the heck just happened?!

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 10:11 PM
Cya guys!

Homer Bailey
07-22-2008, 10:11 PM
Goin out on a limb. K swinging here.

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 10:11 PM
I can't stand Dusty Baker any longer!

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 10:12 PM
Goin out on a limb. K swinging here.

K looking...

flyer85
07-22-2008, 10:12 PM
The man is so dumb it's like he's not even trying ... even GG is questioning him

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 10:12 PM
That could've been called an out if that hit Bako in play.. .I don't know if it did though...

Matt700wlw
07-22-2008, 10:12 PM
Votto's on deck then

HumnHilghtFreel
07-22-2008, 10:13 PM
Dusty knew that would happen.

WVRedsFan
07-22-2008, 10:13 PM
Bako delivers

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 10:13 PM
wow... still not the right move... I don't care if we did score 2...

Homer Bailey
07-22-2008, 10:13 PM
Wow.

RedsManRick
07-22-2008, 10:13 PM
And Bako lets Dusty Baker off the hook. I'll take it!

Screwball
07-22-2008, 10:13 PM
:laugh:

Bako singles to score 2.

3-2 Pads with runners on the corners and Votto now coming up. Unreal.

dougdirt
07-22-2008, 10:13 PM
How many times is Dusty going to be rewarded for stupidity?

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 10:13 PM
where was the 2nd basemen at???

flyer85
07-22-2008, 10:13 PM
sometimes stupidity is rewarded

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 10:13 PM
That just gives Baker the confidence to do that next time....

WVRedsFan
07-22-2008, 10:13 PM
3-3. Now if Votto can keep it going...

If...

joshnky
07-22-2008, 10:14 PM
Now Votto will K proving the genius of Dusty Baker.

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 10:14 PM
YES!!!! Votto ties it up... we are getting breaks????

RedsManRick
07-22-2008, 10:14 PM
Votto with a check swing single to LF! Tie ball game folks! Cueto is a happy camper.

DIPS in action right there.

HumnHilghtFreel
07-22-2008, 10:14 PM
Awesome mistake single by Votto! Cueto is off the hook for the loss

lollipopcurve
07-22-2008, 10:14 PM
biggest AB in this inning was EdE's

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 10:14 PM
Cueto off the hook... let's win it for him!

Kc61
07-22-2008, 10:14 PM
Dusty, having carefully reviewed the situation with keen analysis, leaves Bako up to get a two run single.

Just shows you how these decisions are usually pretty meaningless. Anything can happen.

And now Votto, whom Dusty uses as a pinch hitter, ties the game.

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 10:14 PM
biggest AB in this inning was EdE's

Agree completely.. c'mon BRUCE!

Screwball
07-22-2008, 10:14 PM
Votto with a check swing RBI single!

3-3 game. I think those last two hits just made up for those lucky bloop singles the Pads had in the 3rd against Cueto.

WVRedsFan
07-22-2008, 10:15 PM
You just never know what's going to happen in a baseball game, now do you?

Falls City Beer
07-22-2008, 10:15 PM
Glad they got the kid off the hook.

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 10:15 PM
Why does anyone throw Bruce a fastball..

lollipopcurve
07-22-2008, 10:16 PM
Now let's see if Baker will actually go Majewski-Coffey.

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 10:16 PM
Bruce couldn't hit my grandmothers curve ball...

WVRedsFan
07-22-2008, 10:16 PM
Man, does Bruce look bad sometimes. Brutal

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 10:16 PM
Wonder who's coming in... I go with Majic man...

Kc61
07-22-2008, 10:16 PM
Why does anyone throw Bruce a fastball..

Bruce is a great young hitter, except when the pitch is in the dirt.

Screwball
07-22-2008, 10:16 PM
Bruce Ks on some nasty breaking stuff down in the dirt.

Reds score 3 though to tie the game at 3. Nice to see some backbone.

RedsManRick
07-22-2008, 10:16 PM
Dusty, having carefully reviewed the situation with keen analysis, leaves Bako up to get a two run single.

Just shows you how these decisions are usually pretty meaningless. Anything can happen.

And now Votto, whom Dusty uses as a pinch hitter, ties the game.

Getting a deuce when you hit on 19 doesn't mean it's a toss up and the odds don't matter. Baker made a bad choice and got a good result. It happens sometimes.

lollipopcurve
07-22-2008, 10:17 PM
Why does anyone throw Bruce a fastball..

Agreed. His % of swings and misses on secondary stuff is alarming.

flyer85
07-22-2008, 10:18 PM
Just shows you how these decisions are usually pretty meaningless. Anything can happen.Yep, those guys betting snake eyes all the tiime leave the casino with a bunch of money

RedsManRick
07-22-2008, 10:18 PM
Bruce really does not handle that low, inside breaking ball well at all. He had a pitch to hit that AB and just missed it.

flyer85
07-22-2008, 10:18 PM
Bruce really does not handle that low, inside breaking ball well at all. He had a pitch to hit that AB and just missed it.
and then swung at two pitches that bounced in the dirt

Screwball
07-22-2008, 10:18 PM
Getting a deuce when you hit on 19 doesn't mean it's a toss up and the odds don't matter.

Nah, that was hitting on 21, but being so drunk that the dealer couldn't understand you and moving on to the next player.

WVRedsFan
07-22-2008, 10:18 PM
Agreed. His % of swings and misses on secondary stuff is alarming.Is that because he's a "guess" hitter? OR does it go deeper?

Kc61
07-22-2008, 10:19 PM
Getting a deuce when you hit on 19 doesn't mean it's a toss up. Baker made a bad choice and got a good result. It happens sometimes.

Dusty wanted the veteran rather than the kid in that spot. There's some virtue in that, even if Bako is not as good a hitter.

I don't see a reason to call out the manager on every decision. He's entitled to play a hunch once in awhile.

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 10:19 PM
c'mon affy...

HumnHilghtFreel
07-22-2008, 10:19 PM
Bruce really does not handle that low, inside breaking ball well at all. He had a pitch to hit that AB and just missed it.

Low outside, either really. I've seen him chase a lot of bad pitches low and away

Falls City Beer
07-22-2008, 10:20 PM
Bruce DID have two hits off Peavy's best pitch, however: his fastball.

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 10:20 PM
nice play...

Screwball
07-22-2008, 10:20 PM
Great play by EE on a slow chopper to get the speedy Hairston at 1st.

1 down, with E. Gonzalez now up.

BTW, Affeldt is pitching.

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 10:20 PM
single to right... that guy is a nice young player...

lollipopcurve
07-22-2008, 10:20 PM
S. Hairston's a good ballplayer. If I'm the Reds, I hold onto Jerry and sign his bro ASAP.

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 10:21 PM
I feel much better with Affeldt against Giles... watch him go deep...

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 10:21 PM
S. Hairston's a good ballplayer. If I'm the Reds, I hold onto Jerry and sign his bro ASAP.

Same thing I said last night... some disagreed, but I take two bench, role players like those two any season...

Falls City Beer
07-22-2008, 10:21 PM
Have I ever mentioned how much I dislike Affeldt?

Screwball
07-22-2008, 10:21 PM
Gonzalez singles into RF.

Giles will face Affeldt with 1 down and a runner on 1st.

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 10:22 PM
Have I ever mentioned how much I dislike Affeldt?

And Bray, And Weathers, And Cordero... anyone i'm missing...?

Screwball
07-22-2008, 10:22 PM
FSN just had Affeldt clipping the black on a 95 mph fastball. Gameday had him at 96.

WP allows Gonzalez to get to 2nd. 1 out.

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 10:23 PM
Affeldt is a left handed Matt Belisle.. Great stuff, no head...

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 10:23 PM
that stinks.... wild pitch...

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 10:23 PM
Nice K! 2 down

Screwball
07-22-2008, 10:24 PM
Affeldt with a great curveball to get Giles looking. 2 down with Gonzalez still at 2nd.

Adrian Gonzalez steps in.

RedFanAlways1966
07-22-2008, 10:24 PM
Sit down, Giles. Ks looking. Affeldt's wild pitch went about 52 feet after it left his hand. Almost hit the grass in front of the plate.

lollipopcurve
07-22-2008, 10:24 PM
Is that because he's a "guess" hitter? OR does it go deeper?

I don't know. The fact that he's not even fouling off a lot of the secondary stuff suggests he's either not recognizing pitches soon enough or he's too anxious.

Kc61
07-22-2008, 10:24 PM
Affeldt is a left handed Matt Belisle.. Great stuff, no head...

Affeldt has big time stuff, not Belisle stuff. If he had better control he would be a star.

Falls City Beer
07-22-2008, 10:24 PM
And Bray, And Weathers, And Cordero... anyone i'm missing...?

I greatly respect Weathers; he was a very good reliever for a long time. And he still pitches intelligently.

The others suck too, though. Good point.

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 10:25 PM
nice pitch... c'mon get this guy!

Matt700wlw
07-22-2008, 10:25 PM
Is that because he's a "guess" hitter? OR does it go deeper?

At this point, he's probably doing some guessing as he continues to figure out ML pitching

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 10:25 PM
Nice job Affeldt!

MasonBuzz3
07-22-2008, 10:26 PM
Affeldt has big time stuff, not Belisle stuff. If he had better control he would be a star.

Affeldt has better stuff than most closers, IMO as well

Kc61
07-22-2008, 10:26 PM
That is why you don't hit lefties back to back in the middle of the order. Nice work by Affeldt against the Padres' two best hitters.

Screwball
07-22-2008, 10:27 PM
Affeldt with a solid 7th: 1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 2 K, 0 BB, 3.83 ERA.

Yeah, I can definitely see why some hate him.

lollipopcurve
07-22-2008, 10:27 PM
Nice job by Affeldt.

So are we back to Weathers-Cordero in 8-9? Those guys are fried, but does it matter? Majewski warmed up the entire 6th inning -- for what?

Screwball
07-22-2008, 10:27 PM
That is why you don't hit lefties back to back in the middle of the order. Nice work by Affeldt against the Padres' two best hitters.

If they weren't back to back, the Reds are probably up 3-2 right now.

Kc61
07-22-2008, 10:28 PM
Affeldt with a solid 7th: 1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 2 K, 0 BB, 3.83 ERA.

Yeah, I can definitely see why some hate him.

His WHIP is over 1.4, too high for a reliever. Too bad because Affeldt has a golden arm.

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 10:28 PM
I personally like a Affeldt, Bray, Lincoln, Weathers (maybe), Roenicke, Herrera, Cordero bullpen for next season... not a lot of change... spend the dough on C.C and the offense!

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 10:29 PM
His WHIP is over 1.4, too high for a reliever. Too bad because Affeldt has a golden arm.

That is due to his high walk rates... get some control and watch out!

lollipopcurve
07-22-2008, 10:29 PM
Bud Black pulls Peavy after 108 in a tie game.

Take note, Dusty.

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 10:30 PM
Kepp lines softly to 1st...

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 10:30 PM
Bud Black pulls Peavy after 108 in a tie game.

Take note, Dusty.

He sees that 24 games under .500 is going no where...

Falls City Beer
07-22-2008, 10:30 PM
Mike Adams looks like Humpty Hump.

Screwball
07-22-2008, 10:30 PM
His WHIP is over 1.4, too high for a reliever. Too bad because Affeldt has a golden arm.

Great K/9 (9.50), solid K/BB (2.68). If his HR/FB ever normalizes (tough considering half his games are in GABP), he'd be a very good guy to bring in during high leverage stuations (like tonight against the Pads' best hitters).

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 10:31 PM
Griff singles.... Griffey looking a bit slimmer?? or is it just me...

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 10:31 PM
Here we go BP!

Kc61
07-22-2008, 10:31 PM
I personally like a Affeldt, Bray, Lincoln, Weathers, Roenicke, Herrera, Cordero bullpen for next season... not a lot of change... spend the dough on C.C and the offense!

The lefty reliever Pelland at AAA is getting it together. Hard thrower, Ks guys, just walks too many. I might opt for him rather than Herrera.

We'll see. I don't think Weathers will be back.

PuffyPig
07-22-2008, 10:31 PM
I personally like a Affeldt, Bray, Lincoln, Weathers (maybe), Roenicke, Herrera, Cordero bullpen for next season... not a lot of change... spend the dough on C.C and the offense!


I'd say you have likely forgotten our best releiver......

Screwball
07-22-2008, 10:33 PM
Kepp lines softly to 1st.

Griff singles into RF.

Phillips up with 1 out and a runner on 1st.

flyer85
07-22-2008, 10:33 PM
phillips swings at a 2-0 pitch a foot outside

jesusfan
07-22-2008, 10:33 PM
I'd say you have likely forgotten our best releiver......

my bad... Burton duh!