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nate
07-23-2008, 11:33 AM
Here's (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=953) one for all you Mark Berry fans out there.


Know Your Third-Base Coach

by Steven Goldman

Lately, the Yankees have had a rash of runners thrown out at the plate, third-base coach Bobby Meacham pinwheeling them on to their doom. In the recently concluded A’s series, somehow a sweep for the Yankees, it seemed as if they were being gunned down at home, batter after batter. I was curious if this was real or just an impression, so I asked our own Bil “Statsman” Burke to rustle up a ranking of teams by runners thrown out at the plate. These are honest-to-goodness, catcher-applies the tag plays, not force-outs on bases loaded grounders or anything like that. Here’s what he came up with.

In the following, Out is the total number of outs. The next three columns show what base the runner started from: B = Batter, which is to say home plate; F = First base, S = Second base, T = Third. The final column shows each team’s current third-base coach. We can’t generalize about the third base coaches from this data given that so many factors are in play here, from runners ignoring stop signs or falling down or the game state, but it is interesting that the number of chances a team takes doesn’t seem to correspond to the quality of its offense.



Team Out B F S T Coach
ANA 16 1 2 4 9 Dino Ebel
PHI 16 1 4 2 9 Steve Smith
BAL 14 0 2 4 8 Juan Samuel
NYA 13 0 1 7 5 Bobby Meacham
TBA 13 0 0 7 6 Tom Foley
MIN 13 0 3 3 7 Scott Ullger
SLN 13 0 1 3 9 Jose Oquendo
HOU 13 0 4 3 6 Ed Romero
LAN 13 0 1 3 9 Larry Bowa
DET 12 0 0 7 5 Gene Lamont
ARI 12 1 0 5 6 Chip Hale
SDN 12 0 2 3 7 Glenn Hoffman
CIN 12 0 3 2 7 Mark Berry
BOS 12 0 1 4 7 DeMarlo Hale
SEA 12 1 2 1 8 Sam Perlozzo
PIT 12 0 2 6 4 Tony Beasley
TOR 12 0 3 4 5 Nick Leyva
WAS 11 0 2 7 2 Tim Tolman
KCA 11 0 2 4 5 Luis Silverio
CLE 11 0 4 4 3 Joel Skinner
CHN 11 0 2 2 7 Mike Quade
OAK 10 0 1 3 6 Tony DeFrancesco
MIL 9 0 2 2 5 Dave Sveum
TEX 9 0 1 2 6 Matt Walbeck
COL 9 0 2 3 4 Mike Gallego
ATL 9 0 0 4 5 Brian Snitker
FLO 8 0 4 2 2 Bo Porter
SFN 8 0 0 4 4 Tim Flannery
NYN 8 1 2 1 4 Luis Aguayo
CHA 7 0 0 4 3 Jeff Cox
TOTAL 341 5 53 110 173

George Anderson
07-23-2008, 11:46 AM
Good thing for Meacham that George isn't running the show anymore.


In Game 2 of the 1980 ALCS, Yankee third base coach Mike Ferraro waved Willie Randolph home on a double by Bob Watson with two outs in the top of the eighth inning and the Yankees down 3-2. Randolph was gunned down at the plate on a relay throw by George Brett, prompting Steinbrenner to jump out of his seat and shout what appeared to be profanities on live national television. Steinbrenner wanted Ferraro fired on the spot after the game, but Howser refused. The Yankees would go on to lose the ALCS in three games, and Steinbrenner fired Howser shortly after that.

NJReds
07-23-2008, 12:01 PM
Wasn't Meacham one of the two Yankees that was tagged out at home by Carlton Fisk many years ago? I think Dale Berra was the other.

Maybe he's just getting revenge?

redsmetz
07-23-2008, 04:25 PM
Wasn't Meacham one of the two Yankees that was tagged out at home by Carlton Fisk many years ago? I think Dale Berra was the other.

Maybe he's just getting revenge?

Wow, good memory:


On 8/2/1985 the White Sox played the Yankees at Yankee Stadium). It was the bottom of the 7th inning with the scored tied 3-3); Andre Robertson (pitcher) singled; Bobby Meacham in to run for Robertson; Dale Berra reached on an error by Tim Hulett (3B). [Meacham to second, Berra to first]; Rickey Henderson singled [Meacham out at home on a throw from Luis Salazar to Ozzie Guillen to Carlton Fisk; Berra on the heels of Meacham was tagged out at home by Fisk]; Fisk tagged both runners at the plate. Don Mattingly flied out to Luis Salazar to end the inning. 0 Runs, 2 Hits, 1 Error, 1 LOB (Henderson). White Sox 3, Yankees 3.

Big Klu
07-23-2008, 05:15 PM
Wow, good memory:

I remember watching that game on TV. It was a special Friday Night Game Of The Week on NBC.