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Red in Chicago
07-26-2008, 07:10 PM
Rockies:

WIlly Taveras cf
Clint Barmes 2b
Matt Holliday lf
Brad Hawpe rf
Garrett Atkins 1b
Ian Stewart 3b
Troy Tulowitzki ss
Yorvit Torrealba c
Jorge De La Rosa p


Redlegs

Jay Bruce cf
Jeff Keppinger ss
Ken Girffey Jr. rf
Brandon Phillips 2b
Adam Dunn lf
Edwin Encarnacion 3b
Joey Votto 1b
David Ross c
Homer Bailey p

Caseyfan21
07-26-2008, 07:59 PM
Per FSN pregame show...game is going to have a delay due to the weather

Matt700wlw
07-26-2008, 07:59 PM
It won't be terribly long...and it should be the only one

Matt700wlw
07-26-2008, 08:16 PM
I love rain delays without rain

GAC
07-26-2008, 08:44 PM
That 80's Night theme is a killer! :lol:

Matt700wlw
07-26-2008, 08:45 PM
So's the banana phone....:bash:


Why does it always rain when I'm working? I only do 1 or 2 of these a week now :dunno:

Luck, I guess...

klw
07-26-2008, 08:46 PM
looks like things should be underway soon

MasonBuzz3
07-26-2008, 08:48 PM
looks like things should be underway soon

CTR has a 7:55 first pitch on his blog....and a couple of pictures of the TV guys in their 80's wear

Matt700wlw
07-26-2008, 08:58 PM
Purple isn't a very manly color....Holliday would look more manly in Red :)

mbgrayson
07-26-2008, 09:01 PM
Ross singlehandedly shutting down the Rocks.

Diving catch of a Tavares foul pop, then he guns down Barmes.

Matt700wlw
07-26-2008, 09:02 PM
If your Matt Holliday, every day is one :p:

Matt700wlw
07-26-2008, 09:02 PM
What was that, Junior? Great effort...

mbgrayson
07-26-2008, 09:03 PM
Junior: You are allowed to run in and catch that one...

corkedbat
07-26-2008, 09:04 PM
What was that, Junior? Great effort...

Father Time

Matt700wlw
07-26-2008, 09:04 PM
Father Time

It's hard to watch sometimes...

corkedbat
07-26-2008, 09:05 PM
It's hard to watch sometimes...

My thoughts exactly

GAC
07-26-2008, 09:11 PM
chat is open :beerme:

mbgrayson
07-26-2008, 09:11 PM
Tonight's home plate umpire:
FIELDIN CULBRETH 8.45 runs per game, 20 home plate games this year, 14.0 Ks per game, 7.5 BBs per game, 1.9 K/BB ratio.

Matt700wlw
07-26-2008, 09:12 PM
Ump stats....baseball really does have it all

mbgrayson
07-26-2008, 09:14 PM
Ump stats....baseball really does have it all

I think ump stats may help explain some of the variability in pitcher stats....

Matt700wlw
07-26-2008, 09:15 PM
Hal says he doesn't think the Reds will do anything by the trade deadline...maybe minor tweaking.


Fun.

BCubb2003
07-26-2008, 09:17 PM
Is there an ump fantasy league?

Bob Borkowski
07-26-2008, 09:18 PM
Hal says he doesn't think the Reds will do anything by the trade deadline...maybe minor tweaking.


Fun.

That could be the most productive thing they could do.

Matt700wlw
07-26-2008, 09:19 PM
That could be the most productive thing they could do.

Yeah maybe...it's just not as fun :)


They're not going to trade for the sake of trading (salary dump)....they're going to trade if they feel it's the right deal for them. With them having a ton of free agents to be, they don't HAVE to salary dump...they can wait until the end of the year to rework the budget.

Matt700wlw
07-26-2008, 09:22 PM
Erroneous Edwin

GAC
07-26-2008, 09:23 PM
EE error. He should have went home with it. The guy held up and then wasn't half way home when EE made the throw to 1B.

Bob Borkowski
07-26-2008, 09:25 PM
Mid of 2nd - Rocks 1, Reds 0

jojo
07-26-2008, 09:28 PM
I'm not watching the game tonight.....did Phillips sprint from the dugout to the batters box against this lefty? :cool:

GAC
07-26-2008, 09:31 PM
Is there an ump fantasy league?

Hey! This is a family forum buddy! :p:

CTA513
07-26-2008, 09:32 PM
De La Rosa for Cy Young.

Matt700wlw
07-26-2008, 09:33 PM
De La Rosa is Steve Trachsel like...well, maybe not that slow....

Bob Borkowski
07-26-2008, 09:33 PM
1-2-3

End of 2

1-zip Rocks

BCubb2003
07-26-2008, 09:34 PM
How did Reds radio broadcasts snag a Porsche sponsor?

Matt700wlw
07-26-2008, 09:35 PM
How did Reds radio broadcasts snag a Porsche sponsor?

Not sure, but I'd be more than happy to be their spokesperson :D

CTA513
07-26-2008, 09:37 PM
The Reds are flashing a whole bunch of defense for Bailey.

:rolleyes:

corkedbat
07-26-2008, 09:37 PM
Hal says he doesn't think the Reds will do anything by the trade deadline...maybe minor tweaking.


Fun.

The Reds have little that they want to trade that anyone wants anything to do with (at least, not at the Reds asking price).

Matt700wlw
07-26-2008, 09:37 PM
Wow....ball drops.

RedsManRick
07-26-2008, 09:37 PM
Reds craptastic DER in action. That's two balls hit to Junior that should have been outs.

Matt700wlw
07-26-2008, 09:38 PM
Nice play there by Bruce.

corkedbat
07-26-2008, 09:39 PM
Time to retire Junior's jersey - with him in it. :cry:

NC Reds
07-26-2008, 09:40 PM
Someone tell the Rockies to hit the ball into the 10' x 10' square that Junior plays in.

Double by Atkins.

CTA513
07-26-2008, 09:40 PM
Can't get hitters out after getting 2 strikes on them.

RedsManRick
07-26-2008, 09:40 PM
Homer just doesn't have very good stuff. I honestly don't see anything better than what we could get Fogg or Belisle. No out pitch and no command of anything besides his fastball... sometimes.

NJReds
07-26-2008, 09:41 PM
It's easy to complain about the Reds' pitching, but these guys are throwing with the worst defense in the league behind them, and in a bandbox. That has to put a strain on the pitchers.

Matt700wlw
07-26-2008, 09:41 PM
Fogg and Belisle are what they are....Bailey is still young and can develop.

I let him keep pitching in the rotation for the big club. He's looked a lot more comfortable this time around - however, I'm not really sure what you do when Harang comes back...

Falls City Beer
07-26-2008, 09:44 PM
Homer just doesn't have very good stuff. I honestly don't see anything better than what we could get Fogg or Belisle. No out pitch and no command of anything besides his fastball... sometimes.

I have no clue how he got as hyped as he did. I still claim it was his nickname and his home state.

_Sir_Charles_
07-26-2008, 09:47 PM
It's easy to complain about the Reds' pitching, but these guys are throwing with the worst defense in the league behind them, and in a bandbox. That has to put a strain on the pitchers.



Fogg and Belisle are what they are....Bailey is still young and can develop.

I let him keep pitching in the rotation for the big club. He's looked a lot more comfortable this time around


Both dead on. People are complaining about our pitching this year and Reds fans need to step back and look at things from a history standpoint. This is BY FAR the best pitching staff we've had in a long, LONG time. Pen & starters. Their numbers don't look it...but in this stadium and with this porous defense...who can blame them. They'll be fine. Our concerns should be our offense and defense...not the pitchers.

Falls City Beer
07-26-2008, 09:50 PM
Anyone want to rail on Ross now? We get a bat-by-bat drubbing of Bako.

Matt700wlw
07-26-2008, 09:50 PM
Ross. Boo...

:)

CTA513
07-26-2008, 09:51 PM
Anyone want to rail on Ross now? We get a bat-by-bat drubbing of Bako.

Ross sucks

Bob Borkowski
07-26-2008, 09:51 PM
After three full innings of play, Colorado Rockies 1 and Cincinnati Reds 0

RedsManRick
07-26-2008, 09:51 PM
Both dead on. People are complaining about our pitching this year and Reds fans need to step back and look at things from a history standpoint. This is BY FAR the best pitching staff we've had in a long, LONG time. Pen & starters. Their numbers don't look it...but in this stadium and with this porous defense...who can blame them. They'll be fine. Our concerns should be our offense and defense...not the pitchers.

I'm not saying we should start Belisle or Fogg over Bailey. He's cheap and young. I just don't see a high ceiling. What's he going to do that will make him much more effective? Even if he gets his command, he doesn't have great velocity and doesn't have great movement. Sure, he could be a Jeff Suppan type #4 innings eater.

It's more of a comment about his hype. I simply don't understand how this guy was considered one of the type prospects in the game. What did people see in him? What's changed? Was he really throwing mid 90's on his fastball? Did his curve have bite? Could he avoid spinning it ever other time?

Falls City Beer
07-26-2008, 09:52 PM
Ross sucks

Yes. True.

_Sir_Charles_
07-26-2008, 09:52 PM
Ross has been playing somewhat better lately, but he's still unacceptable as a starter....all three of them are. I certainly don't see any of them getting marginally better, so I think it's time to give Hannigan a shot and lose some of the dead weight on our roster. 3 catchers is ridiculous. I could understand it early in the season when there were injury problems (Ross). But 3 catchers all season long? That's just stupid.

Matt700wlw
07-26-2008, 09:53 PM
I'm not saying we should start Belisle or Fogg over Bailey. He's cheap and young. I just don't see a high ceiling. What's he going to do that will make him much more effective? Even if he gets his command, he doesn't have great velocity and doesn't have great movement. Sure, he could be a Jeff Suppan type #4 innings eater.

It's more of a comment about his hype. I simply don't understand how this guy was considered one of the type prospects in the game. What did people see in him? What's changed? Was he really throwing mid 90's on his fastball? Did his curve have bite? Could he avoid spinning it ever other time?



Probably the scorching fastball that we've yet to see....

Will we ever? It's not looking that way, but that doesn't mean he can't be an effective pitcher.

CTA513
07-26-2008, 09:53 PM
Yes. True.

and so does Bako and Valentin.

Falls City Beer
07-26-2008, 09:55 PM
and so does Bako and Valentin.

Absolutely. But Bako is passable behind the plate.

VR
07-26-2008, 09:55 PM
Yes. True.

Ross has an OPS almost triple Bako's over the last couple months. Triple. Whatever suckitude Ross has, multiply by 3 for old man Bako.

Matt700wlw
07-26-2008, 09:57 PM
Bruuuuuuuuuce!!

NC Reds
07-26-2008, 09:57 PM
Great throw Bruce!

We're lucky this game is not a blowout.

VR
07-26-2008, 09:59 PM
4 innings/ 9 hits/ 1 bb/ O earned runs

Ain't no thang.

GAC
07-26-2008, 10:01 PM
C'mon Reds! This guy has an ERA of 6.71. And he also has control problems. Show some patience up there.

Don't make me come down there! :p:

Falls City Beer
07-26-2008, 10:03 PM
Guy who's proving himself a bench player: Keppinger.

Matt700wlw
07-26-2008, 10:04 PM
:griffey:

:jump:

jesusfan
07-26-2008, 10:04 PM
JUNIOR!!! 1-1! 607!

NC Reds
07-26-2008, 10:04 PM
Griffey turns back the clock with an oppo HR. Nice.

Caseyfan21
07-26-2008, 10:04 PM
"The Fresh Prince plays longball"

1-1

jesusfan
07-26-2008, 10:04 PM
Guy who's proving himself a bench player: Keppinger.

That's okay we have Hairston coming back...

Red in Chicago
07-26-2008, 10:04 PM
wow, some opp field damage by griff:eek:

Red in Chicago
07-26-2008, 10:05 PM
did grif just cuss someone out there after he got back to the dugout?

VR
07-26-2008, 10:05 PM
JUNIOR!!! 1-1! 607!

Brantley "popped up to the left side":thumbup:

reds44
07-26-2008, 10:06 PM
Has Homer really given up 9 hits already?

kaldaniels
07-26-2008, 10:08 PM
did grif just cuss someone out there after he got back to the dugout?

Yes he did. R-rated baseball tonight in your living room tonight folks. :D

Bob Borkowski
07-26-2008, 10:08 PM
As we head to the fifth, Reds and Rockies 1-1

_Sir_Charles_
07-26-2008, 10:08 PM
Has Homer really given up 9 hits already?

Yep, he's not fooling anybody today. Ross isn't mixing up the pitches at all. I don't know if Homer is missing his spots, but there's very little changing of speeds.

Red in Chicago
07-26-2008, 10:08 PM
did grif just cuss someone out there after he got back to the dugout?

ok, i rewound that and he dropped an f-bomb on someone in the stands...i've never seen him do that before...someone must have really ticked him off

toledodan
07-26-2008, 10:08 PM
Has Homer really given up 9 hits already?

yep. bruce with 2 outfield assists has helped the cause.

mbgrayson
07-26-2008, 10:08 PM
did grif just cuss someone out there after he got back to the dugout?

Yes. Griffey looked angry and was looking up over the dugout, and clearly said "F___ Y__" to someone. The TV guys hesitated, and ignored it.

kaldaniels
07-26-2008, 10:09 PM
Has Homer really given up 9 hits already?

Tonight has the makings of one of Tim Kurkjains odd box score lines.

Bob Borkowski
07-26-2008, 10:09 PM
Yes he did. R-rated baseball tonight in your living room tonight folks. :D

Someone in the dugout or in the stands?

kaldaniels
07-26-2008, 10:09 PM
Someone in the dugout or in the stands?

Stands.

redsfan30
07-26-2008, 10:10 PM
Junior yelling that was clear as day on the broadcast. Somebody must have REALLY got under his skin.

Edwin was looking on and looked somewhat stunned.

Red in Chicago
07-26-2008, 10:10 PM
Someone in the dugout or in the stands?

someone in the stands...it takes a lot to get under jr's skin...must have been a very rude remark by some "fan"

RedFanAlways1966
07-26-2008, 10:10 PM
Entering tonight: when Bailey starts (5 GS), the REDS offense has...

* scored 8 total runs (1.6 runs/game).
* been shutout twice.
* gone homerless in 3 of the games.
* 32 total hits (6.4 hits/game).

Matt700wlw
07-26-2008, 10:10 PM
Stands.

At least he didn't throw a ball at him :p:

MasonBuzz3
07-26-2008, 10:10 PM
Has Homer really given up 9 hits already?
pitching to contact... DanO would be pleased

Red in Chicago
07-26-2008, 10:11 PM
At least he didn't throw a ball at him :p:

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

kaldaniels
07-26-2008, 10:12 PM
So following in the tradition of Danny Graves, are we to assume Jr. will be released???

Matt700wlw
07-26-2008, 10:13 PM
So following in the tradition of Danny Graves, are we to assume Jr. will be released???

I don't know if he feels small yet...

VR
07-26-2008, 10:13 PM
Guy who's proving himself a bench player: Keppinger.

.468 ops in July, and Dusty continues to insist on batting him 2nd. Just as stubborn as can be with players. If they are hot, keep em at the bottom of the lineup. If they are out machines, put em at the top of the order.

jesusfan
07-26-2008, 10:14 PM
goodness...

Matt700wlw
07-26-2008, 10:14 PM
I'm guessing now we have a topic for extra innings....Griffey dropping an F bomb.

Somebody's bound to call about it....maybe this thing will go long enough where we can skip extra innings :D

jesusfan
07-26-2008, 10:15 PM
Griffey guns him down!

Matt700wlw
07-26-2008, 10:15 PM
Nice play by F bomb!

MasonBuzz3
07-26-2008, 10:15 PM
can we get that fan to yell at Jr. every game?

great throw

toledodan
07-26-2008, 10:15 PM
griffey with a outfield assist as well!

RedFanAlways1966
07-26-2008, 10:15 PM
Wow! Now Junior guns a runner at home. Outfield assists helping Homer survive.

jesusfan
07-26-2008, 10:17 PM
Homer is getting lit up but only 2 runs... wow

CTA513
07-26-2008, 10:17 PM
The Rockies have 13 hits and only 2 runs in 4.2 innings.

:ughmamoru

OnBaseMachine
07-26-2008, 10:17 PM
I've been pleased with Homer's past two starts but he doesn't have it tonight.

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-26-2008, 10:17 PM
Homer Bailey throwing batting practice and getting lucky doing it

KronoRed
07-26-2008, 10:17 PM
If we were in Denver I shudder at what the score might be

_Sir_Charles_
07-26-2008, 10:18 PM
"The Reds have put on an absolute defensive clinic up to this point tonight"~Marty B.

yep, he REALLY just said that. 2 singles that should've been caught by Griff. And an E by Edwin. Yep, defensive gem. A few good plays don't negate the other 3 lousy ones.

jesusfan
07-26-2008, 10:19 PM
14th hit.. goodness...

NC Reds
07-26-2008, 10:19 PM
Homer has no out pitch at all.

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-26-2008, 10:19 PM
If we were in Denver I shudder at what the score might be

Well, we know how many runs the Reds would have .... 1

This is ridiculous. Homer Bailey is a complete joke

MasonBuzz3
07-26-2008, 10:19 PM
Homer needs to find an out pitch...preferably soon

flyer85
07-26-2008, 10:19 PM
Homes doesn't yet have the quality of offspeed pitches to succeed as a starter.

CTA513
07-26-2008, 10:19 PM
Homer "I can't get guys out after getting 2 strikes" Bailey.

jesusfan
07-26-2008, 10:20 PM
5-1 Rockies...

OnBaseMachine
07-26-2008, 10:20 PM
hey Dusty, where you at? How about pulling him? Always too late...

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-26-2008, 10:20 PM
And the pitcher with a hit

Anyone still think Homer Bailey isn't a bust?

jesusfan
07-26-2008, 10:20 PM
15th stinkin hits....

VR
07-26-2008, 10:20 PM
The good news is the Reds now have someone up in the pen after 16 baserunners in 4 2/3 innings.

reds44
07-26-2008, 10:20 PM
Homer Bailey is awful.

Matt700wlw
07-26-2008, 10:20 PM
...Well, he only walked 1...

CTA513
07-26-2008, 10:20 PM
hey Dusty, where you at? How about pulling him? Always too late...

He had to stay in until he reached around 100 pitches.

Falls City Beer
07-26-2008, 10:21 PM
And the pitcher with a hit

Anyone still think Homer Bailey isn't a bust?

Don't blame me; I wanted him traded two years ago.

OnBaseMachine
07-26-2008, 10:21 PM
Dusty never knows when to pull his starter. Goodness.

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-26-2008, 10:21 PM
...Well, he only walked 1...

He can't pitch deep enough into a count to walk anyone. He's getting raked after 2-3 pitches every at bat

reds44
07-26-2008, 10:22 PM
It's always Dusty's fault.

OnBaseMachine
07-26-2008, 10:22 PM
Good thing we're standing pat

toledodan
07-26-2008, 10:22 PM
where was the pitching coach in all of this? pole really needs to go.

NC Reds
07-26-2008, 10:22 PM
Those last two runs were very preventable...and probably will be the difference in the game. Homer did not need to stay in the game to face one more hitter, even a pitcher.

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-26-2008, 10:23 PM
Good thing we're standing pat

Hey ... we're only a 10-game win streak from being in 5th place in the WC standings :rolleyes:

Falls City Beer
07-26-2008, 10:23 PM
It's always Dusty's fault.

Yep. Stupid Dusty, thinking his starter could retire a pitcher.

Matt700wlw
07-26-2008, 10:23 PM
He can't pitch deep enough into a count to walk anyone. He's getting raked after 2-3 pitches every at bat

I'm optimism guy....don't ruin my moment :cool:

BuckeyeRedleg
07-26-2008, 10:23 PM
Homer Bailey is awful.

I agree.

Kid doesn't have much at all.

Maloney is a better pitcher, but that's not saying much. Bailey looks like 2007 Phil Dumatrait out there.

reds44
07-26-2008, 10:23 PM
Majewski is another pro at giving up hits.

Matt700wlw
07-26-2008, 10:23 PM
where was the pitching coach in all of this? pole really needs to go.

Nap time

OnBaseMachine
07-26-2008, 10:24 PM
Those last two runs were very preventable...and probably will be the difference in the game. Homer did not need to stay in the game to face one more hitter, even a pitcher.

yep. I loathe Dusty.

reds44
07-26-2008, 10:24 PM
I agree.

Kid doesn't have much at all.

Maloney is a better pitcher, but that's not saying much. Bailey looks like 2007 Phil Dumatrait out there.
Homer is like Fogg, but somehow worse.

BuckeyeRedleg
07-26-2008, 10:24 PM
Can't remember the last time I saw a pitcher give up 15 hits and 16 baserunners.

reds44
07-26-2008, 10:24 PM
yep. I loathe Dusty.
I loathe my pitcher who can't get the pitcher out.

Don't blame Dusty.

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-26-2008, 10:25 PM
Homer Bailey is awful.

In other breaking news:

The sky is blue. :cool:

Falls City Beer
07-26-2008, 10:25 PM
I guarantee that Walt has no intention of making Bailey a part of this team's future. He's stuck with him for now, but he won't tolerate an abject failure like him in the rotation.

Matt700wlw
07-26-2008, 10:25 PM
In other breaking news:

The sky is blue. :cool:

Kind of black now... :D

NC Reds
07-26-2008, 10:26 PM
yep. I loathe Dusty.

Me too. All he has to do tonight is double-switch Dunn out of the game and the circle of incompetence will be complete in this one.

_Sir_Charles_
07-26-2008, 10:27 PM
I guess I'm going to be the lone supporter of Homer here. Yes, he had a bad night. One bad game does not make or break a pitcher or a career. He's got nice speed on his FB, he's got nice break on his breaking ball. I don't see him as a top of the rotation guy, but since he's been called up, he's been very good. With tonight as an exception. And don't forget, the Rockies are playing great ball right now and have some great hitters.

This season is over (and it has been since it began for the most part), keep Homer up here and let him take his lumps. He'll be better for it and for us in the long run.

BuckeyeRedleg
07-26-2008, 10:29 PM
Homer now with only 39 K's in 74 career innings.

That ain't cutting it.

I know he's still young and it's relatively early in his career, but I have little hope in him amounting to anything.

A move to the bullpen may be in order.

CTA513
07-26-2008, 10:30 PM
De La Rosa wishes he could pitch against the Reds all the time.

Matt700wlw
07-26-2008, 10:30 PM
Edwin as Tubbs :eek:

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-26-2008, 10:31 PM
De La Rosa wishes he could pitch against the Reds all the time.

He's certainly not alone in wishing that.

But at least we're standing pat so we can watch this same story next year, minus Dunn and Jr.

flyer85
07-26-2008, 10:32 PM
been saying for some time they need to try him in the pen. He offspeed pitches lack deception and tumble and it seems unlikely they are going to get it at this point.

Matt700wlw
07-26-2008, 10:32 PM
He's certainly not alone in wishing that.

But at least we're standing pat so we can watch this same story next year, minus Dunn and Jr.

Standing pat now doesn't mean anything....they have 13 or so free agents once the season ends...

Standing pat will mean a boring last few months, but won't mean much going into next year.

Matt700wlw
07-26-2008, 10:33 PM
Hamilton with a 3 run dinger today....so that's 103 RBIs now? Unreal...

_Sir_Charles_
07-26-2008, 10:33 PM
But at least we're standing pat so we can watch this same story next year, minus Dunn and Jr.

This team minus Dunn & Jr is a BIG alteration. A big boost to the defense and hopefully to our team batting average. Living and dying by the long ball is not a formula for success.

Falls City Beer
07-26-2008, 10:33 PM
I think deals will be made by the deadline.

BuckeyeRedleg
07-26-2008, 10:34 PM
This team minus Dunn & Jr is a BIG alteration. A big boost to the defense and hopefully to our team batting average. Living and dying by the long ball is not a formula for success.

I disagree.

Matt700wlw
07-26-2008, 10:35 PM
I disagree.

It hasn't worked in 8 years...

RedFanAlways1966
07-26-2008, 10:35 PM
REDS bullpen (not including F. Cordero's numbers) since the Break...
* 23.1 IP, 24 H, 30 K, 4 ER. 0 HR.
>> 1.54 ERA, 1.37 WHIP.

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-26-2008, 10:36 PM
A bomb by Andy Phillips here and we're right back in this one :ughmamoru

NC Reds
07-26-2008, 10:36 PM
This team needs Adam Dunn. I would re-sign him today if I could.

Build around Dunn-Bruce-Phillips-Edwin-Votto on offense.

_Sir_Charles_
07-26-2008, 10:37 PM
I disagree.

To which part? Hanging your hopes on the long ball? Or the defensive improvement? Or the improvement to our team BA? Or that them leaving will make a difference?

I'd personally be fine with us hanging onto Dunn...but I don't think it'll happen.

Falls City Beer
07-26-2008, 10:38 PM
This team needs Adam Dunn. I would re-sign him today if I could.

Build around Dunn-Bruce-Phillips-Edwin-Votto on offense.

As long as Phillips bats 7th.

alloverjr
07-26-2008, 10:39 PM
Talk about Homer all you want. 1 hit. De La Rosa.

Not good.

Falls City Beer
07-26-2008, 10:40 PM
Talk about Homer all you want. 1 hit. De La Rosa.

Not good.

Yeah, pretty lackluster. Makes it easier on Walt though--time to deal.

klw
07-26-2008, 10:40 PM
And on that I am calling it a night.

VR
07-26-2008, 10:41 PM
As long as Phillips bats 7th.

vs. righties. He kills lefties, but batting him anywhere above 6 vs. righties is downright criminal. Alas, that's why he's such a great fit there. He's been soooo bad, he's due to turn it around. You dig, cats?

Kc61
07-26-2008, 10:42 PM
This team needs Adam Dunn. I would re-sign him today if I could.

Build around Dunn-Bruce-Phillips-Edwin-Votto on offense.

Right. It's worked so far, let's not break up a good thing. Change catchers and we're the '27 Yankees.

_Sir_Charles_
07-26-2008, 10:42 PM
Talk about Homer all you want. 1 hit. De La Rosa.

Not good.

Exactly! Yeah, Homer stunk it up tonight. But 1 friggin hit off this scrub?!? Yep, this team "needs" Adam Dunn. You don't build a team around a hitter that's so hit or miss as Dunn is. He's an asset if used correctly, but he's not a player to build the team around.

BuckeyeRedleg
07-26-2008, 10:43 PM
It hasn't worked in 8 years...

The Reds offense has not been the problem the last eight years.

It's an offense that has average 775 runs per year (820 in 2005).

BuckeyeRedleg
07-26-2008, 10:44 PM
Exactly! Yeah, Homer stunk it up tonight. But 1 friggin hit off this scrub?!? Yep, this team "needs" Adam Dunn. You don't build a team around a hitter that's so hit or miss as Dunn is. He's an asset if used correctly, but he's not a player to build the team around.


I disagree again.

_Sir_Charles_
07-26-2008, 10:46 PM
The Reds offense has not been the problem the last eight years.

It's an offense that has average 775 runs per year (820 in 2005).

This is not the team from the last 8 years. Junior is a shadow of his former self. Dunn's his usual hot & cold for months at a time. Same for Edwin. But we're missing those hitters that can just move people around the bases with singles. Votto & Bruce can become those types of players, but they're not there yet.

And look at our runs scored THIS year. This isnt' the same club anymore. A lot of the players are the same, but they're not the same players that they once were.

flyer85
07-26-2008, 10:47 PM
de la rosa has nasty stuff ... on a lot of nights he just doesn't know where it's going

KronoRed
07-26-2008, 10:47 PM
The problem the last 8 years is the same as it is tonight, what has been on the mound.

CTA513
07-26-2008, 10:47 PM
To which part? Hanging your hopes on the long ball? Or the defensive improvement? Or the improvement to our team BA? Or that them leaving will make a difference?

I'd personally be fine with us hanging onto Dunn...but I don't think it'll happen.

Who are these guys that are going to replace Dunn and Griffey?
I hope nobody is counting on Hopper, Hairston and Freel.

BuckeyeRedleg
07-26-2008, 10:48 PM
This is not the team from the last 8 years.

I was responding to Matt saying that it hasn't worked in eight years.

Ron Madden
07-26-2008, 10:48 PM
Homer Bailey is awful.


He MUST be injured again.

;)

_Sir_Charles_
07-26-2008, 10:52 PM
Who are these guys that are going to replace Dunn and Griffey?
I hope nobody is counting on Hopper, Hairston and Freel.

Youth. Youth.

I think Hairston has earned a shot next year by his performance this year. But if you look in the minors, we've got several options that can be plugged in. Also, you've got options with the FA market as well (and trades). Can we replace Dunn's 40/100/100? Probably not. Definitely not with one player. But those numbers haven't led us to the promised land yet. It's time to change tack.

Ron Madden
07-26-2008, 10:54 PM
This is not the team from the last 8 years. Junior is a shadow of his former self. Dunn's his usual hot & cold for months at a time. Same for Edwin. But we're missing those hitters that can just move people around the bases with singles. Votto & Bruce can become those types of players, but they're not there yet.

Kinda like moving people around the bases with singles to score a bunch of runs like the Rockies tonight.

:rolleyes:

Red in Chicago
07-26-2008, 10:55 PM
is bruce trying to be like andrew jones with those hip high catches;)

Matt700wlw
07-26-2008, 10:55 PM
Affeldt! Wow!

corkedbat
07-26-2008, 10:58 PM
Is the Creeper just now coming to the realization the Junior might not be there next year and Bruce might be in RF? He reeally is in the past tonight.

NC Reds
07-26-2008, 10:59 PM
Ball boy costs Dunn a double.

Matt700wlw
07-26-2008, 11:02 PM
De La Rosa's road ERA was almost 8 going into tonight.

Way to go, Redlegs, you've mustered 2 hits against this guy

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-26-2008, 11:08 PM
Nice job Reds ...

Leadoff double and then complete failure ... lowlighted by a pitiful strikeout by EE

KronoRed
07-26-2008, 11:08 PM
Aww come on guys we're only 5 games from .500, and that's the GOAL! Go Team :D

flyer85
07-26-2008, 11:09 PM
Nice job Reds ...

Leadoff double and then complete failure ... lowlighted by a pitiful strikeout by EEthe lack of patient hitters is an issue going forward

Matt700wlw
07-26-2008, 11:10 PM
Homer Bailey's 15 hits is the most in one game since Jimmy Anderson.

You know things aren't going well when you share a feat with Jimmy Anderson.

KronoRed
07-26-2008, 11:14 PM
I remember the game when Anderson pulled that off, it was hilarious, in a way ;)

Matt700wlw
07-26-2008, 11:20 PM
I have switched my TV viewing to Women's Tennis on ESPN 2...I advise others to do the same...

No Sharapova or Ivanovic aren't playing :)

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-26-2008, 11:25 PM
This has got to be one of the 5 worst games of the year for this team. Where's the effort?

flyer85
07-26-2008, 11:26 PM
Homer Bailey's 15 hits is the most in one game since Jimmy Anderson.
Donut makers everywhere salute you

corkedbat
07-26-2008, 11:27 PM
Oh, I forgot, Hopper and Freel will be back next year. I feel much better noe about replacing Dunn & Jr. :D

Matt700wlw
07-26-2008, 11:27 PM
2 hits :lol:

CTA513
07-26-2008, 11:28 PM
2 hits :lol:

None of them from the right handed hitters.

Matt700wlw
07-26-2008, 11:33 PM
Takes care of the game...and the season.

That should officially make the Reds brass' decision for them.

Falls City Beer
07-26-2008, 11:35 PM
Takes care of the game...and the season.

That should officially make the Reds brass' decision for them.

The numbers just aren't working anymore. They may play very good ball for the rest of the season, but they just can't surmount the numbers at this point. It's too late. I think the FO will realize this.

CTA513
07-26-2008, 11:35 PM
Ryan Franklin just blew another save for the Cardinals.

OnBaseMachine
07-26-2008, 11:37 PM
On the plus side the Reds bullpen was incredible again tonight...4.1 scoreless innings. Now if they could find a 5th starter, defense, and offense.;)

Kc61
07-26-2008, 11:37 PM
Ryan Franklin just blew another save for the Cardinals.

Yeah, Tatis with a ninth inning homer. Mets playing exciting baseball right now. The Reds aren't.

BCubb2003
07-26-2008, 11:39 PM
Now if they could find a 5th starter, defense, and offense.;)

If we had some meat, we could have a sandwich, if we had some bread.

OldXOhio
07-26-2008, 11:55 PM
Ryan Franklin just blew another save for the Cardinals.

Well at least something went right this evening

Matt700wlw
07-26-2008, 11:56 PM
Well at least something went right this evening

Cubs downward spiral continued as well...

jojo
07-27-2008, 12:37 AM
Ryan Franklin just blew another save for the Cardinals.


And there ya go....his career bookended.....he sucked as a starter and sucks as a closer.

Big Klu
07-27-2008, 03:39 AM
Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds All-Time Home Run Leaders
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Adam Dunn - 267
5. Ted Kluszewski - 251
6. George Foster - 244
7. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 209
8. Eric Davis - 203
9. Barry Larkin - 198
10. Vada Pinson - 186
11. Wally Post - 172
12. Gus Bell - 160
13. Joe Morgan - 152
13. Pete Rose - 152
15. Lee May - 147
16. Dan Driessen - 133
17. Reggie Sanders - 125
18. Ernie Lombardi - 120
19. Sean Casey - 118
20. Frank McCormick - 110
21. Dave Parker - 107
22. Chris Sabo - 104
23. Dave Concepcion - 101
24. Gordy Coleman - 98
25. Paul O'Neill - 96