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GAC
07-27-2008, 08:55 AM
I personally believe that no movement will be made before the deadline next week, and that any changes Walt enacts will come in the off-season. That is where he is going to TRY to make his biggest impact.

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080727/SPT04/807270384/1071

With this year's trade deadline looming Thursday, it's possible the Reds will make a deal or two that will have a significant positive impact on the future.

With that in mind, here's a look at the Reds' 10 best in-season trades (and before you scream, remember the deal with the Houston Astros that brought Joe Morgan, Jack Billingham and Cesar Geronimo occurred in the offseason):

10. Phillips rescued

When: April 7, 2006
Particulars: Reds acquire second baseman Brandon Phillips for a player to be named later (Jeff Stevens).
The Skinny: Just a few days into the 2006 season, Wayne Krivsky made a seemingly minor move by getting Phillips, but he has blossomed into one of the game's best second basemen while Stevens has been a career minor-leaguer.
9. Harang harnessed

When: July 30, 2003
Particulars: Reds acquire pitchers Aaron Harang, Joe Valentine and Jeff Bruksch from the Oakland Athletics for outfielder Jose Guillen.
The Skinny: Jim Bowden was fired as general manager and Bob Boone as manager, and those in charge began making sweeping changes. This deal was met with some anger from fans because of how well Guillen was playing at the time (.337 average with 23 homers and 63 RBI in 91 games) and because Harang was struggling with the A's (6-7 with an ERA over 5.00 in 21 career starts). Before arm problems this season, Harang had developed into one of the National League's most consistent starters, while the moody Guillen is playing for his fifth team since 2003.
8. George who?

When: May 29, 1971
Particulars: Reds acquire outfielder George Foster from the San Francisco Giants for infielder Frank Duffy and pitcher Vern Geishert.
The Skinny: It was thought to be a rather insignificant move in an insignificant season, but this turned out to be a steal. Foster was just a skinny backup outfielder at the time the Reds acquired him, and he didn't blossom until four years later when he became the final piece of the Big Red Machine. He became the National League's most valuable player two years later. Duffy eventually became a starting shortstop with the Cleveland Indians from 1972-77 but finished with just a .232 career average, and Geishert never again pitched in the big leagues.
7. Cementing a playoff spot

When: July 21, 1995
Particulars: Reds acquire pitchers Mark Portugal and Dave Burba and outfielder Darren Lewis from the San Francisco Giants for outfielder Deion Sanders, first baseman Dave McCarty and pitchers Ricky Pickett, John Roper and Scott Service.
The Skinny: This was one of the final two moves that solidified a playoff spot for the Reds in 1995. Portugal was 6-5 with a 3.82 ERA in 14 starts with the Reds, Burba went 6-2 in 15 games and nine starts, and Lewis provided solid defense in center field. None of the players dealt was ever a factor in the majors again.
6. Final piece in 1995

When: July 31, 1995
Particulars: Reds acquire pitcher David Wells from the Detroit Tigers for pitchers C.J. Nitkowski and Dave Tuttle and a player to be named later (Mark Lewis).
The Skinny: Just to ensure the Reds had enough starting pitching, Bowden landed Wells, who went 6-5 with a 3.59 ERA in 11 starts. Nitkowski was always long on potential, but never became a star.
5. A loaded Derringer

When: May 7, 1933
Particulars: Reds acquire pitchers Paul Derringer and Allyn Stout and second baseman Sparky Adams from the St. Louis Cardinals for shortstop Leo Durocher and pitcher Jack Ogden.
The Skinny: Derringer was acquired just a few weeks into the 1933 season and went on to go 7-25 with the Reds in 1933, but he won 22 games two years later. And in the 1939-40 seasons, when the Reds won two National League pennants and one World Series, he was 45-19. Durocher was a solid but not spectacular player; Ogden never appeared in the majors again.
4. Bucking the trend

When: June 13, 1938
Particulars: Reds acquire pitcher Bucky Walters from the Philadelphia Phillies for catcher Spud Davis, pitcher Al Hollingsworth and cash.
The Skinny: Walters was 29 and quite below average when the Reds got him, but he went on to win 160 games for the Reds from 1938-47 and ranks first on the team's all-time shutout list with 32 and is second in complete games with 195. He won 49 games in 1939 and 1940, helping the Reds twice win the National League pennant and capture the World Series in 1940. Davis was nothing more than a backup catcher the rest of his career, and Hollingsworth was a below-average pitcher.
3. Rousting Roush

When: July 20, 1916
Particulars: Reds acquire outfielder Edd Roush, third baseman Bill McKechnie and pitcher-manager Christy Mathewson from the New York Giants for shortstop-manager Buck Herzog and outfielder Red Killefer.
The Skinny: Mathewson was at the dead end of a Hall of Fame career and he earned only one of his 373 career wins with the Reds, but it was Roush who became a star. He has the second-highest career average in team history (.331), holds the team record for career triples (153) and was the best player on the 1919 World Series championship team. Herzog was a solid but not great player, and Killefer had only one more big-league at-bat after the trade.
2. Pete comes home

When: Aug. 16, 1984
Particulars: Reds acquire Pete Rose from the Montreal Expos for utilityman Tom Lawless.
The Skinny: The significance of this trade, of course, was that it brought Reds legend Rose back home after an almost six-year absence. He became a player-manager and set the all-time hits record the next season. He played his last game in 1986 and then managed full-time until his banishment from baseball in 1989.
1. Tom Terrific arrives

When: June 15, 1977
Particulars: Reds acquire pitcher Tom Seaver from the New York Mets for pitcher Pat Zachary, infielder Doug Flynn and outfielders Steve Henderson and Dan Norman.
The Skinny: A year after the Big Red Machine had won a second straight World Series, the pitching staff needed a serious shot in the arm and got it when the team landed Seaver. He went 14-3 with a 2.34 ERA the rest of the year, but it wasn't enough for the Reds to catch the Dodgers. Overall, Seaver posted a 75-46 record with the Reds and helped them reach the playoffs in 1979 and post the best record in the majors in the strike-shortened 1981 season when he went 14-2 with a 2.54 ERA. Flynn had been a backup and finally got to play every day; Henderson and Norman had potential, but neither ever flourished. Zachary battled arm injuries and was under .500 with the Mets.

Spring~Fields
07-27-2008, 09:09 AM
July 30, 2003
Particulars: Reds acquire pitchers Aaron Harang, Joe Valentine and Jeff Bruksch from the Oakland Athletics for outfielder Jose Guillen.

With the very real possibility that the Reds entire opening day outfield, along with several relief pitchers may choose to leave the Reds in the off season for teams that those players feel offer a better chance and opportunity to win, along with the realities of young pitching. It might be wise of Jocketty to try to make some moves like the one above, before the players walk in the off season. It is not a given that any of them, including Dunn, will want to resign with the Reds.

GAC
07-27-2008, 09:46 AM
It might be wise of Jocketty to try to make some moves like the one above, before the players walk in the off season. It is not a given that any of them, including Dunn, will want to resign with the Reds.

Some of them (Dunn excluded) need to walk..... no let me correct that.... RUUUN FORREST RUN! :p:

Walt has always been in the position, for the most part, of being that GM who is able to make that "steal" in player trades. Not the other way around.

There are very few players on this current team that other GMs have expressed much interest in. We've heard Arroyo's name pop up, as well as Weathers and Ross.

I just read where the Rockies could by buyers and that they are very interested in Arroyo. The stipulations are though..... the Reds would have to pick up some of that contract AND the player(s) Walt would get in return.

These are the types of deals Walt is being presented. After that... Blah!

I'm still one of those "deluded" individuals that believes Walt can make some sound moves in the off-season, coupled with clearing out fodder (players, plus payroll), and can makes some moves to improve this team going into '09.

As to what those moves might be, I have no idea. That's Walt's job.

Our only reason for existence is to then judge those moves, and, if needed, give Walt heck if we don't like them.

This is why the GM position exists. :p:

MasonBuzz3
07-28-2008, 12:29 AM
I think that I would include the Juan Guzman deal on this list