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Red in Chicago
07-28-2008, 07:52 PM
don't worry, we'll have a game thread tonight :p:

Reds:
Bruce cf
Keppinger ss
Griffey rf
Phillips 2b
Dunn lf
Encarnacion 3b
Votto 1b
Bako c
Cueto p

Astros:
Matsui 2b
Tejada ss
Berkman 1b
Lee lf
Blum 3b
Pence rf
Erstad cf
Ausmus c
Oswalt p

Red in Chicago
07-28-2008, 08:50 PM
open for business a bit early today, since we messed up yesterday...

VR
07-28-2008, 08:55 PM
Whatever you do, do not mess with the juggernaut offense that this lineup has proven itself to be.

Just plain stubborn.

OnBaseMachine
07-28-2008, 09:13 PM
Bruce flied out, Kepp singled, Griffey GIDP.

Cueto got ahead 0-2 on Matsui with two fastballs and tried to throw another fastball past him and Matsui doubled.

NC Reds
07-28-2008, 09:13 PM
I don't understand our pitchers' propensity to throw hittable pitches with favorable two strike counts.

OnBaseMachine
07-28-2008, 09:14 PM
Goodness. I hate this defense. Routine groundball rolls into centerfield for a RBI single. Ridiculous that Keppinger can't make that play. Geez.

OnBaseMachine
07-28-2008, 09:15 PM
I don't understand our pitchers' propensity to throw hittable pitches with favorable two strike counts.

I agree. You have a killer slider and changeup, why not make the hitter chase one of those pitches out of the zone instead of throwing a hittable 0-2 fastball?

Raisor
07-28-2008, 09:18 PM
I agree. You have a killer slider and changeup, why not make the hitter chase one of those pitches out of the zone instead of throwing a hittable 0-2 fastball?

Isn't Bako calling the game?

OnBaseMachine
07-28-2008, 09:18 PM
Isn't Bako calling the game?

Yep. For a so called defense expert, he's hasn't impressed me.

OnBaseMachine
07-28-2008, 09:19 PM
Cueto threw 120 pitches last start, a career high so it will be interesting to see how he bounces back tonight.

WVRedsFan
07-28-2008, 09:22 PM
Not very well, I'm afraid. 2-0, runners on first and second and no one out.

Mayday! Mayday!

CTA513
07-28-2008, 09:22 PM
It looks like the bullpen is going to get some more work tonight.

OnBaseMachine
07-28-2008, 09:22 PM
Berkman walked. Cueto threw a slider in the dirt and Lee somehow made contact and bloops a RBI single. First and third and nobody out.

It's going to be a long night. Cueto has a good changeup tonight but isn't locating his slider or fastball, plus the Astros are getting lucky groundballs and bloop hits.

OnBaseMachine
07-28-2008, 09:24 PM
Wouldn't it be nice to have a catcher who could actually, um, catch the ball? 3-0 on a sac fly.

toledodan
07-28-2008, 09:25 PM
where in the world is the pitching coach?

CTA513
07-28-2008, 09:25 PM
Already down 3-0 with Oswalt pitching.

:thumbdown

WVRedsFan
07-28-2008, 09:25 PM
Wouldn't it be nice to have a catcher who could actually, um, catch the ball? 3-0 on a sac fly.

Shhh. don't you know what Ross' OPS is? It's off the charts. Who cares if he can catch the ball. He needs to be in instead of Bako, right? :)

CTA513
07-28-2008, 09:26 PM
where in the world is the pitching coach?


In the dugout watching Cueto struggle.

toledodan
07-28-2008, 09:26 PM
Already down 3-0 with Oswalt pitching.

:thumbdown

you just get the feeling the game is over already.:thumbdown

OnBaseMachine
07-28-2008, 09:27 PM
Shhh. don't you know what Ross' OPS is? It's off the charts. Who cares if he can catch the ball. He needs to be in instead of Bako, right? :)

Bako is catching tonight.

Pence K's on the 30th pitch of the inning. Two outs. Hopefully Dusty realizes that Cueto doesn't have the command of his slider tonight and doesn't leave him too long to get pummeled.

toledodan
07-28-2008, 09:27 PM
In the dugout watching Cueto struggle.


he does that every game. its time to get a new pitching coach.

WVRedsFan
07-28-2008, 09:31 PM
Bako is catching tonight.

Pence K's on the 30th pitch of the inning. Two outs. Hopefully Dusty realizes that Cueto doesn't have the command of his slider tonight and doesn't leave him too long to get pummeled.

Just being sarcastic. We don't have a catcher I'd go to battle with.

OnBaseMachine
07-28-2008, 09:33 PM
We don't have a catcher I'd go to battle with.

Agreed. Baker talked up Bako as a defensive specialist but he's been very unimpressive IMO.

OnBaseMachine
07-28-2008, 09:36 PM
Phillips doubled, Dunn singled. First and third nobody out.

Edwin K's.

NC Reds
07-28-2008, 09:38 PM
Edwin is maddening to watch. He has some of the worst at bats imaginable, then hits ropes later in the same game.

flyer85
07-28-2008, 09:39 PM
Dunn with an RISP hit

Falls City Beer
07-28-2008, 09:39 PM
Votto = awful.

flyer85
07-28-2008, 09:39 PM
Votto k's on a pitch a foot outside

Razor Shines
07-28-2008, 09:40 PM
Just an FYI type of thing, but the LAA Angels for the last month have started a hitter in the 3 spot that is waaaaaaay worse than JR. Does Socia feel bad for Dusty or something?

mbgrayson
07-28-2008, 09:41 PM
Pathetic. Simply pathetic.

Reds have 1st and 3rd with no outs.
EE Ks.
Votto Ks.
Bako Ks.

Pathetic.

OnBaseMachine
07-28-2008, 09:41 PM
Votto = awful.

Good Lord. Reds fans have no patience with young players. I'm sure Jay Bruce and Edinson Volquez will be next...

Falls City Beer
07-28-2008, 09:42 PM
Good Lord. Reds fans have no patience with young players. I'm sure Jay Bruce and Edinson Volquez will be next...

Votto has been plummeting. Bruce, it's too early. And Volquez is one of the best starters in baseball.

flyer85
07-28-2008, 09:42 PM
Bako Ks on one that was only 6 inches outside

WVRedsFan
07-28-2008, 09:43 PM
You know, I thought about skipping this one. Looks like I was correct on this one. Three worst at-bats I've seen in awhile.

CTA513
07-28-2008, 09:45 PM
Fresh off the DL with no rehab starts and he strikes out the side after having runners at 1st and 3rd with no outs.

Razor Shines
07-28-2008, 09:45 PM
Votto has been plummeting. Bruce, it's too early. And Volquez is one of the best starters in baseball.

471 career PAs isn't too early? An .811 OPS in his first 471 PAs. I'm willing to give him some time.

oneupper
07-28-2008, 09:46 PM
Fresh off the DL with no rehab starts and he strikes out the side after having runners at 1st and 3rd with no outs.

There never seems to be a game plan, does there?:(

kaldaniels
07-28-2008, 09:46 PM
Votto has been plummeting. Bruce, it's too early. And Volquez is one of the best starters in baseball.

Sorry but if you are going to rip Votto, gotta rip EV who has been "plummetting".

I like them all for the record.

OnBaseMachine
07-28-2008, 09:47 PM
471 career PAs isn't too early? An .811 OPS in his first 471 PAs. I'm willing to give him some time.

Exactly.

Cueto throws a 1-2-3 second inning.

flyer85
07-28-2008, 09:47 PM
if there is anything that really bothers about Bruce and Votto is that they certainly have shown themselves to be hackers

OnBaseMachine
07-28-2008, 09:48 PM
if there is anything that really bothers about Bruce and Votto is that they certainly have shown themselves to be hackers

Votto was a patient hitter in the minors...remember he was told in the spring to be more aggressive...

Falls City Beer
07-28-2008, 09:49 PM
471 career PAs isn't too early? .

If he were 21, yeah, too early; same if he were a pitcher like Cueto who had his struggles and will have in the future. But Votto isn't a kid.

oneupper
07-28-2008, 09:49 PM
if there is anything that really bothers about Bruce and Votto is that they certainly have shown themselves to be hackers

Or are they "protecting the plate"?

CrackerJack
07-28-2008, 09:49 PM
No mention of Cueto not backing up Bako on that throw to the plate? Cost a base, Cueto knew it. Seems to be the type of thing that happens often...players not really focused or motivated, or doing things all the talk show people like to rail on and on about.

Raisor
07-28-2008, 09:49 PM
if there is anything that really bothers about Bruce and Votto is that they certainly have shown themselves to be hackers

Not to be the boy that cried "Dusty", but could this be a Dusty influence?

Falls City Beer
07-28-2008, 09:53 PM
Not to be the boy that cried "Dusty", but could this be a Dusty influence?

Anything's possible. But I have yet to see a hitter who was patient suddenly become overly aggressive. For the most part, people are what they are.

If I had to guess, Votto swings more because in MLB more pitchers throw in the strike zone with regularity.

OnBaseMachine
07-28-2008, 09:56 PM
-Cueto struckout
-Bruce singled
-Kepp lined out
-Griffey singled, Bruce to third
-Phillips walks

Bases loaded and two outs for Dunn.

OnBaseMachine
07-28-2008, 09:57 PM
Grand Slam Dunn!!!

#30!

4-3 Reds.

mbgrayson
07-28-2008, 09:57 PM
Dunnnnneeeerrrr!

toledodan
07-28-2008, 09:57 PM
grandslam for dunn!

NC Reds
07-28-2008, 09:57 PM
Please re-sign Dunn.

CrackerJack
07-28-2008, 09:58 PM
Wow, another notch in the "please re-sign Dunn" pole.

jesusfan
07-28-2008, 09:58 PM
Dunner!!! 30 Jacks on the year!

Falls City Beer
07-28-2008, 09:58 PM
RISP-Y

guttle11
07-28-2008, 09:58 PM
A 430 foot wall scraper.

Falls City Beer
07-28-2008, 09:58 PM
Seriously. Other GMs aren't interested? Suck it.

Raisor
07-28-2008, 09:58 PM
I blame Dunn.

OnBaseMachine
07-28-2008, 09:58 PM
Fifth straight 30+ homerun season for Dunn and his 9th career grand slam, including his second GS in the last five games.

CTA513
07-28-2008, 09:59 PM
Finally someone made him pay for putting runners on.

Razor Shines
07-28-2008, 09:59 PM
A slightly less than mediocre grand slam.

Raisor
07-28-2008, 09:59 PM
Seriously. Other GMs aren't interested? Suck it.

Yup.

flyer85
07-28-2008, 09:59 PM
that was a nice swing by Dunn. Hit it out the front door.

Razor Shines
07-28-2008, 10:00 PM
Seriously. Other GMs aren't interested? Suck it.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

toledodan
07-28-2008, 10:00 PM
this just sucks me back in for a few more innings.:D

flyer85
07-28-2008, 10:00 PM
Votto was a patient hitter in the minors...remember he was told in the spring to be more aggressive...I do remember ... whatever the reason, he is hacking

KronoRed
07-28-2008, 10:01 PM
Dunn will give back 4 runs next inning with his D...just watch ;)

flyer85
07-28-2008, 10:03 PM
nice swing by Berkman ... he is nice to watch from the left side

Raisor
07-28-2008, 10:04 PM
Dunn will give back 4 runs next inning with his D...just watch ;)


Marty? I wouldn't think you would have enough time to post as much as you do.

:thumbup:

jesusfan
07-28-2008, 10:05 PM
my goodness Cueto...

Falls City Beer
07-28-2008, 10:05 PM
Dunn will give back 4 runs next inning with his D...just watch ;)

You're right. 1 error or misplay always = 3 runs

CTA513
07-28-2008, 10:05 PM
This is typical Reds pitching.

OnBaseMachine
07-28-2008, 10:05 PM
Blum homers, 5-4. Why do scrubs like Blum always kills the Reds?

Cueto doesn't have command of his slider or fastball tonight, hopefully Dusty doesn't leave him in there very long.

toledodan
07-28-2008, 10:05 PM
Paging Dick Pole!
Paging Dick Pole!
Paging Dick Pole!

Ltlabner
07-28-2008, 10:05 PM
I'd like to appologize to Redszone.

Latley, whenever I flip on the TV the Reds are getting clobbered.

I just flipped on the TV in time to see a 2 run homer.

flyer85
07-28-2008, 10:05 PM
that didnt ;ast long ... just above the belt, right down the middle

CTA513
07-28-2008, 10:06 PM
Blum homers, 5-4. Why do scrubs like Blum always kills the Reds?

Cueto doesn't have command of his slider or fastball tonight, hopefully Dusty doesn't leave him in there very long.

Im thinking Dusty will leave him out as long as he can with the amount of innings the bullpen has pitched in the last week.

Razor Shines
07-28-2008, 10:07 PM
I'd like to appologize to Redszone.

Latley, whenever I flip on the TV the Reds are getting clobbered.

I just flipped on the TV in time to see a 2 run homer.

Why don't you go get a second job then? :)

Falls City Beer
07-28-2008, 10:08 PM
Is there a single RH starter on this team capable of retiring lefties with regularity?

Ltlabner
07-28-2008, 10:10 PM
Why don't you go get a second job then? :)

No kidding.

You thought Dusty and Dunn's horrable defense was the Reds' problem?

Nope.....it's all Ltlabner. Somehow my TV has the magic power to cause the Reds to go to suck-ville whenever it's turned on.

Razor Shines
07-28-2008, 10:11 PM
No kidding.

You thought Dusty and Dunn's horrable defense was the Reds' problem?

Nope.....it's all Ltlabner.

Hold on just a second. Your luck may be turning. Bako just got an infield hit.

guttle11
07-28-2008, 10:11 PM
Did Bako just get an infield hit? My TV might need adjusting.

Patrick Bateman
07-28-2008, 10:12 PM
Is there a single RH starter on this team capable of retiring lefties with regularity?

Volquez would be about it, and he's hardly dominant against them.

Raisor
07-28-2008, 10:14 PM
Watching the Redsox game on ESPN, and the announcers just said that Theo should just go to Manny and tell him that he's been traded to the Redsox.

Razor Shines
07-28-2008, 10:16 PM
Watching the Redsox game on ESPN, and the announcers just said that Theo should just go to Manny and tell him that he's been traded to the Redsox.

That's actually a really funny idea.

toledodan
07-28-2008, 10:17 PM
Watching the Redsox game on ESPN, and the announcers just said that Theo should just go to Manny and tell him that he's been traded to the Redsox.



:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

OnBaseMachine
07-28-2008, 10:18 PM
An easy 1-2-3 4th inning for Cueto.

5-4 Astros after four innings.

jesusfan
07-28-2008, 10:30 PM
Berkman the best player in the league?? Not quite...

OnBaseMachine
07-28-2008, 10:31 PM
Nice fastball with good movement to K Berkman for the second out. 5-4 Astros in the 5th.

OnBaseMachine
07-28-2008, 10:34 PM
Lee pops out.

5-4 Astros after 5.

Razor Shines
07-28-2008, 10:35 PM
Berkman the best player in the league?? Not quite...

Actually, this year, probably. #1 in NL in OPS. #1 in NL in RC.

mbgrayson
07-28-2008, 10:35 PM
Cueto at 90 pitches after 5. I expect he will go one more inning.

OnBaseMachine
07-28-2008, 10:46 PM
Cueto at 90 pitches after 5. I expect he will go one more inning.

I'd pull him. He threw 120 pitches last time out and clearly doesn't have his best stuff tonight.

OnBaseMachine
07-28-2008, 10:46 PM
Cueto back out there and Blum bloops a single. Pull him Dusty.

OnBaseMachine
07-28-2008, 10:53 PM
Two on two out with a lefty coming up. Pull him Dusty.

flyer85
07-28-2008, 10:55 PM
Two on two out with a lefty coming up. Pull him Dusty.surely you jest

OnBaseMachine
07-28-2008, 10:58 PM
Newhan K's.

5-4 Astros after six innings.

On a night when Cueto didn't have command of his best pitch he still kept us in the ballgame. I'll take that from a young pitcher.

NC Reds
07-28-2008, 10:59 PM
Way to make him work Bako.

mbgrayson
07-28-2008, 11:00 PM
Cueto finishes with 110 pitches. Andy Phillips in to pinch hit for him.

OnBaseMachine
07-28-2008, 11:03 PM
Reds go 1-2-3 in the 7th. Dunn is responsible for the only Reds runs.

CTA513
07-28-2008, 11:04 PM
Geary should be able to go 2 innings after that 6 pitching inning.

mbgrayson
07-28-2008, 11:05 PM
Reds out 1-2-3 in the 7th, on 6 pitches.

Bako 1st pitch 6-3. (1st pitch)
A.Phillips flies to center. (4th pitch)
Bruce 4-3. (1st pitch)

Reds are hacktastic.

MasonBuzz3
07-28-2008, 11:05 PM
Dunn is responsible for the only Reds runs.

his defense has to be responsible for at least 3 of the Astros runs though:rolleyes:

mbgrayson
07-28-2008, 11:10 PM
A 3-6 double play nicely executed by Keppinger.

NC Reds
07-28-2008, 11:10 PM
Wow. The Reds turned a difficult double play. I think this is the inning to get the lead.

NC Reds
07-28-2008, 11:14 PM
Griffey is slooooooow.

OnBaseMachine
07-28-2008, 11:14 PM
Geez Griffey is s-l-o-w. Griffey hit a 77 hopper up the middle and Tejada took forever to get to it and still got Griffey by a step.

mbgrayson
07-28-2008, 11:15 PM
Griffey is slooooooow.
Yes he is. At least it looked like he ran that time. Throw just beat him at first.

Cyclone792
07-28-2008, 11:15 PM
Can anybody identify what the following batting line represents?

.249/.314/.391/.705

mbgrayson
07-28-2008, 11:17 PM
BP chops one down 3rd, and gets an infield hit.

Pitching change to bring in the lefty Wright to face Dunner.

klw
07-28-2008, 11:17 PM
Reds go 1-2-3 in the 7th. Dunn is responsible for the only Reds runs.

Plus the guys on base when he went yard helped too.

NC Reds
07-28-2008, 11:18 PM
The ballpark saved the Astros on that one.

OnBaseMachine
07-28-2008, 11:18 PM
I hate this ballpark. Dunn hits a 420 foot flyout. That's a homerun in in other ballpark but this one.

mbgrayson
07-28-2008, 11:19 PM
Dunn drives a long fly to the wall in right-center. 3 outs. That one goes out in GABP.

NC Reds
07-28-2008, 11:21 PM
I hate this ballpark. Dunn hits a 420 foot flyout. That's a homerun in in other ballpark but this one.

It's a poor design. I like asymetry but they take it too far.

CTA513
07-28-2008, 11:21 PM
Encarnacion, Votto and Bako due up in the 9th.

mbgrayson
07-28-2008, 11:23 PM
Encarnacion, Votto and Bako due up in the 9th.
Over or under on 8 pitches?

I'll take the under.

CTA513
07-28-2008, 11:24 PM
Over or under on 8 pitches?

I'll take the under.

I hope its 30+ pitches with the Reds also scoring a few runs.

OnBaseMachine
07-28-2008, 11:24 PM
Lincoln throws two more scoreless innings.

5-4 Astros after 8.

NC Reds
07-28-2008, 11:25 PM
Lincoln has earned another year in Cincy if he wants one.

mbgrayson
07-28-2008, 11:26 PM
I hope its 30+ pitches with the Reds also scoring a few runs.

Oh, don't get me wrong...I HOPE that too. But, if I was betting, I'd take the under.

NC Reds
07-28-2008, 11:27 PM
Take some pitches Ed.

KoryMac5
07-28-2008, 11:27 PM
Lincoln has been a bright spot on this team. Good for him I am sure with the arm trouble he spent some time doubting his future over the last two yrs.

CTA513
07-28-2008, 11:28 PM
Oh, don't get me wrong...I HOPE that too. But, if I was betting, I'd take the under.

I'll take an 8 pitch inning if 5 of those pitches go over the wall and the other 3 pitches are outs.

:D

CTA513
07-28-2008, 11:30 PM
Another weak pop up

mbgrayson
07-28-2008, 11:31 PM
EE pops to 3rd in foul territory. One out.

(6 pitches)

NC Reds
07-28-2008, 11:31 PM
Joey looks like he is pulling off everything right now.

OnBaseMachine
07-28-2008, 11:33 PM
Votto flies out to the wall in LF. Two outs.

mbgrayson
07-28-2008, 11:33 PM
Votto out on a liner to left. (6 pitches to Votto, 12 total)

Well, it is over 8 pitches. I forgot the Valverde factor....guy throws hard, but walks a lot of guys too.

NC Reds
07-28-2008, 11:33 PM
That was a good swing by Votto. Astros are a bit fortunate tonight. They had a lot of seeing eye hits early.

NC Reds
07-28-2008, 11:35 PM
Javy was robbed.

mbgrayson
07-28-2008, 11:35 PM
Javy pinch hitting for Bako. Javier lines out to Berkman at 1st. Nice play. Game.

HokieRed
07-28-2008, 11:37 PM
Just another stop on the way to 72-90.

CTA513
07-28-2008, 11:39 PM
1st and 3rd with 0 outs earlier in the game and the Reds end up losing by 1 run.

:sleep:

BuckeyeRedleg
07-28-2008, 11:49 PM
On their way to another top 7 pick in next year's draft.

Sweet.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Big Klu
07-28-2008, 11:54 PM
Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds All-Time Home Run Leaders
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Adam Dunn - 268
5. Ted Kluszewski - 251
6. George Foster - 244
7. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 209
8. Eric Davis - 203
9. Barry Larkin - 198
10. Vada Pinson - 186
11. Wally Post - 172
12. Gus Bell - 160
13. Joe Morgan - 152
13. Pete Rose - 152
15. Lee May - 147
16. Dan Driessen - 133
17. Reggie Sanders - 125
18. Ernie Lombardi - 120
19. Sean Casey - 118
20. Frank McCormick - 110
21. Dave Parker - 107
22. Chris Sabo - 104
23. Dave Concepcion - 101
24. Gordy Coleman - 98
25. Paul O'Neill - 96

mbgrayson
07-29-2008, 01:12 AM
Also on the bright side, Francisco Cordero is nicely rested after four straight games where we had no chance to win.....

_Sir_Charles_
07-29-2008, 01:26 AM
I just got home from the game. And while I never like seeing the Reds lose, watching a game in Minute Maid park is a pleasure. The fans are cordial, the atmosphere is pleasant and the ballpark is just really nice to watch a game from. We got there early for BP and got to chat a bit with Jay Bruce. This was his first game in Houston and I was pleasantly surprised by the large turnout he got. I saw a TON of "Bruce Almighty" t-shirts all over the place, "Welcome Home Jay" signs, etc. My daughter got an autograph on a ball from him and I was asking him how it feels to play back near his home and he said he was actually a little bit nervous. There were easily 30-40 people along the 3rd base line during BP all waiting to chat with him. It was kinda cool. We also got to shake Ross's hand and Edwin's. All in all, it was a really nice evening. Would've been better had we won...but you can't have everything. I've got a few nice photos from BP...you can see them here (http://www.the-genies-lamp.com/cincinnati_reds_photos.htm) if you want to.

For those of you who are saying that they hate this ballpark...you've got to visit it first. Yes, it's asymetric...but it's still one of the nicest parks I've ever been to. Just thought I'd share our visit. :O)

Ron Madden
07-29-2008, 06:38 AM
Heard on WLW radio.....

Damn that Adam Dunn! The Reds haven't won with him in the lineup, it's time to try something different.

:( :confused: :(