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OnBaseMachine
07-29-2008, 01:23 PM
AAA Louisville

LHP Danny Ray Herrera: 55 IP, 45 H, 1 HR, 15 BB/43 K, 2.29 ERA

RHP Josh Roenicke: 46.2 IP, 43 H, 3 HR, 17 BB/53 K, 2.70 ERA

LHP Tyler Pelland: 43 IP, 36 H, 4 HR, 27 BB/51 K, 3.98 ERA...0.73 ERA in July.

RHP Carlos Fisher: 54.1 IP, 54 H, 3 HR, 22 BB/52 K, 3.48 ERA

AA Chattanooga

RHP Robert Manuel: 67.2 IP, 45 H, 2 HR, 17 BB/86 K, 1.33 ERA

RHP Ramon Geronimo: 46 IP, 22 H, 0 HR, 12 BB/56 K, 0.78 ERA

High-A Sarasota

RHP Zach Stewart: 19.1 IP, 12 H, 0 HR, 5 BB/18 K, 0.47 ERA

LHP Philippe-Alexandre Valiquette: 50.1 IP, 51 H, 2 HR, 21 BB/51 K, 3.04 ERA

RHP Terrell Young: 42.2 IP, 36 H, 1 HR, 22 BB/38 K, 2.74 ERA

Low-A Dayton

LHP Aguido Gonzalez: 22 IP, 9 H, 0 HR, 9 BB/29 K, 0.00 ERA

LHP Jeremy Horst: 70.2 IP, 47 H, 2 HR, 26 BB/79 K...converted to starter now.

RHP Jeff Jeffords: 57 IP, 48 H, 3 HR, 30 BB/65 K, 3.63 ERA

Rookie-Billings

RHP Josh Beal: 16 IP, 16 H, 0 HR, 5 BB/17 K, 2.81 ERA

LHP Mace Thurman: 12.2 IP, 5 H, 0 HR, 4 BB/11 K, 0.00 ERA

GCL Reds

LHP Blaine Howell: 13.1 IP, 12 H, 0 HR, 6 BB/17 K, 1.35 ERA

Others

RHP Sean Watson (AA Chattanooga) was considered one of the better relief arms in the system entering the season but his control has been awful, on the plus side he still has great strikeouts rates: 41 IP, 36 H, 5 HR, 34 BB/58 K, 5.71 ERA.

LHP Pedro Viola is another big arm that has struggled this season, though he is starting to come around it appears: 50 IP, 58 H, 3 HR, 26 BB/56 K, 5.58 ERA...his last four appearances: 7.2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 9 K.

TheBigLebowski
07-29-2008, 01:30 PM
Very encouraging. Roenicke should have been up a while ago imo.

GoReds33
07-29-2008, 01:31 PM
Somebody please explain to me why Roenicke, and Herrera aren't up here. Both are mowing down hitters in AAA. Sure Herrera's a soft thrower, but with all the hard throwing guys we have now, he'd be a nice person to throw out there every few days.

BuckeyeRedleg
07-29-2008, 01:43 PM
Well done, OBM.

mace
07-29-2008, 02:46 PM
One more way to take a look at these guys.

ERA:

Aguido Gonzalez (Bill-Day-Sar) 0.00 (22 IP)
Mace Thurman (Bill) 0.00 (12.2 IP)
Zach Stewart (Day-Sar) 0.47 (19.2 IP)
Ramon Geronimo (Sar-Chat) 0.78 (46 IP)
Robert Manuel (Sar-Chat) 1.33 (67.2 IP)
Daniel Herrera (Chat-Lou) 2.29 (55 IP)

WHIP:

Mace Thurman (Bill) 0.71 (12.2 IP)
Ramon Geronimo (Sar-Chat) 0.76 (46 IP)
Aguido Gonzalex (Bill-Day-Sar) 0.86 (22 IP)
Zach Stewart (Day) 0.88 (19.2 IP)
Robert Manuel (Sar-Chat) 0.92 (67.2 IP)
Jeremy Horst (Day) 1.03 (70.2 IP)

K/IP:

Sean Watson (Sat-Chat) 1.41 (41 IP)
Aguido Gonzalez (Bill-Day-Sar) 1.32 (22 IP)
Blaine Howell (GCL) 1.28 (13.1 IP)
Robert Manuel (Sat-Chat) 1.27 (67.2 IP)
Ramon Geronimo (Sar-Chat) 1.22 (46 IP)
Tyler Pelland (Lou) 1.19 (43 IP)
Jeff Jeffords (Day) 1.14 (57 IP)
Josh Roenicke (Chat-Lou) 1.14 (46.2 IP)
Jeremy Horst (Day) 1.12 (70.2 IP)
Pedro Viola (Chat) 1.12 (50 IP)
Josh Beal (Bill) 1.06 (16 IP)
Philippe Alexandre-Valiquette 1.01 (50.1)

Relative Youthfulness:

Blaine Howell 19
Josh Beal 20
Mace Thurman 21
Philippe A-V 21
Aguido Gonzalez 21
Zach Stewart 21
Jeremy Horst 22
Terrell Young 23 (very soon)
Sean Watson 23 (just turned)
Jeff Jeffords 23
Daniel Herrera 23
Ramon Geronimo 24
Tyler Pelland 24
Robert Manuel 25 (just turned)
Pedro Viola 25 (just turned)
Carlos Fisher 25
Josh Roenicke 26 (very soon)

RED VAN HOT
07-29-2008, 02:53 PM
Thanks for the post. This thread provides an opportunity for me to ask the board about information on some of these pitchers.

In most cases, it is easy to determine why a player is moving up through the system. For example, Roenicke appears to throw hard. Fisher gets a lot of ground balls. Then, there is the pitcher who does not appear to do either, but nevertheless has high strikeout rate, low walk rate, and low batting average against. In these cases, my guess is that they have an unusual out pitch that few batters at that level have ever seen. Herrera seems to fall into that category.

Can anyone comment on what has made the following pitchers so effective?
Manuel
Geronimo
A. Gonzalez

camisadelgolf
07-29-2008, 03:19 PM
I kind of feel bad. I just started a similar thread without knowing this thread existed.

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1705442#post1705442

One thing these threads show is that the Reds will have to get rid of some guys relief arms who still have a chance to put things together in the Major Leagues. I can't believe I'm saying this, but the Reds have a surplus of quality pitchers in the low minors. I just hope they make the right decisions in who they discard. Actually, what I want even more is for the Reds to pick up another minor league affiliate.

mace
07-29-2008, 03:45 PM
Can we merge these? It would be nice to have your information from the other thread over here. This is all good stuff.

camisadelgolf
07-29-2008, 03:47 PM
Can we merge these? It would be nice to have your information from the other thread over here. This is all good stuff.

Yeah, good idea.

Here are some select stats on all the Reds pitchers in the organizations. Some people might be surprised by some guys who are putting up some good numbers in the low minors (Hildenbrandt, Snowden, Torcise, Thurman, et al). The guys with asterisks have pitched for multiple teams this year.

Info Age GCL G GS IP H HR BB SO ERA WHIP BB/9IP SO/9IP K/BB
2007 3rd round 19 Evan Hildenbrandt 6 6 31.3 26 2 12 29 2.87 1.21 3.45 8.33 2.42
2007 16th round 19 Shea Snowden 6 4 31.0 23 0 8 28 0.87 1.00 2.32 8.13 3.50
2006 free agent 18 Efrain Rodriguez 5 5 23.3 33 1 9 11 6.17 1.80 3.47 4.24 1.22
2007 48th round 18 Mike Henry 7 1 18.0 15 1 16 16 4.50 1.72 8.00 8.00 1.00
2007 5th round 22 Drew Bowman* 6 6 16.7 21 0 4 19 4.32 1.50 2.16 10.26 4.75 GCL, Dayton
2004 free agent 20 Hector Santana 8 2 15.7 21 0 3 12 4.60 1.53 1.72 6.89 4.00
2008 13th round 19 Blaine Howell* 9 0 13.3 12 0 6 17 1.35 1.35 4.05 11.48 2.83 GCL, Sarasota
2008 47th round 22 David Torcise 8 0 13.0 6 0 3 11 1.38 0.69 2.08 7.62 3.67
2006 free agent 19 Rafael Ceballos 8 0 11.0 14 3 7 6 8.18 1.91 5.73 4.91 0.86
2008 26th round 22 Mike Bohana 10 0 10.3 14 0 4 10 4.35 1.74 3.48 8.71 2.50
2008 34th round 21 Bryan Gardner 8 0 10.3 11 1 7 11 5.23 1.74 6.10 9.58 1.57
2007 free agent 18 Matteo Pizziconi 7 0 8.7 7 0 6 9 1.04 1.50 6.23 9.35 1.50
2006 free agent 20 Hugo Calderon 5 0 7.0 3 0 7 3 1.29 1.43 9.00 3.86 0.43
2007 34th round 19 Jeremy Vinyard 3 0 4.0 6 0 2 3 2.25 2.00 4.50 6.75 1.50
2008 7th round 19 Pedro Villareal 2 0 2.3 6 0 2 3 7.71 3.43 7.71 11.57 1.50
2008 25th round 17 Raul Rodriguez 1 0 1.0 1 0 2 0 9.00 3.00 18.00 0.00 0.00
2008 41st round 21 Justin Walker 1 0 1.0 2 0 1 0 9.00 3.00 9.00 0.00 0.00
2007 free agent 18 Luca Panerati 1 0 1.0 0 0 0 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 #DIV/0!
1999 free agent 25 Jerry Gil 1 0 1.0 0 0 0 2 0.00 0.00 0.00 18.00 #DIV/0!

Info Age Billings G GS IP H HR BB SO ERA WHIP BB/9IP SO/9IP K/BB
2006 16th round 22 Jamie Arneson* 22 14 71.7 85 7 58 61 6.91 2.00 7.28 7.66 1.05 Billings, Dayton
2005 free agent 19 Oscar Castro 8 8 41.0 41 1 9 28 5.05 1.22 1.98 6.15 3.11
2004 free agent 22 Leo Astorga 7 7 37.3 36 2 8 29 2.41 1.18 1.93 6.99 3.63
2007 29th round 23 Steve Otterness* 24 0 33.0 35 3 22 31 5.73 1.73 6.00 8.45 1.41 Billings, Dayton, Sarasota
2008 14th round 21 Lance Janke 7 7 28.7 30 2 8 21 4.40 1.33 2.51 6.59 2.63
2008 5th round 21 Clayton Shunick 7 7 26.7 31 4 4 27 7.09 1.31 1.35 9.11 6.75
2008 32nd round 21 Justin Freeman 8 1 20.7 26 3 5 20 5.66 1.50 2.18 8.71 4.00
2007 free agent 22 Dan Zeffiro 8 0 18.3 15 1 7 12 3.44 1.20 3.44 5.89 1.71
2007 44th round 20 Josh Beal* 13 0 16.0 16 0 5 17 2.81 1.31 2.81 9.56 3.40 Billings, Sarasota
2006 11th round 20 Brandon Rice 9 0 13.7 21 1 5 4 5.93 1.90 3.29 2.63 0.80
2007 31st round 22 Jordan Hotchkiss 11 0 13.3 18 1 4 13 6.08 1.65 2.70 8.78 3.25
2005 free agent 22 Junior Martinez 10 0 13.0 14 2 13 10 7.62 2.08 9.00 6.92 0.77
2008 19th round 21 Mace Thurman 7 0 12.7 5 0 4 11 0.00 0.71 2.84 7.82 2.75
2008 24th round 21 Enrique Garcia 5 1 12.7 9 1 6 8 3.55 1.18 4.26 5.68 1.33
2008 37th round 22 Randall Linebaugh 11 0 12.0 13 2 3 16 3.75 1.33 2.25 12.00 5.33
2008 23rd round 23 Will Hudgens 5 0 10.3 14 2 2 7 10.45 1.55 1.74 6.10 3.50

Info Age Dayton G GS IP H HR BB SO ERA WHIP BB/9IP SO/9IP K/BB
2003 free agent 23 Luis Montano 21 21 113.3 111 10 26 85 3.97 1.21 2.06 6.75 3.27
2005 free agent 22 Daniel Guerrero* 19 18 88.0 117 20 26 53 7.36 1.63 2.66 5.42 2.04 Dayton, Sarasota
2007 26th round 21 Curtis Partch 25 13 84.3 93 6 35 58 5.66 1.52 3.74 6.19 1.66
2007 21st round 22 Jeremy Horst 30 4 70.7 47 2 26 79 2.67 1.03 3.31 10.06 3.04
2007 19th round 23 Jeff Jeffords 31 0 57.0 48 3 30 65 3.63 1.37 4.74 10.26 2.17
2003 free agent 23 Henry Arias* 30 0 50.3 45 3 31 45 3.93 1.51 5.54 8.05 1.45 Burlington, Dayton
2004 free agent 22 Juan Rafael* 13 5 48.7 51 3 20 47 4.62 1.46 3.70 8.69 2.35 GCL, Dayton, Sarasota
2006 5th round 20 Josh Ravin 11 11 45.3 42 7 38 38 6.35 1.76 7.54 7.54 1.00
2007 28th round 22 Jon Conatser 19 0 39.7 34 1 13 18 3.40 1.18 2.95 4.08 1.38
2007 22nd round 23 Tyler Rhoden 23 0 38.3 43 1 26 23 4.70 1.80 6.10 5.40 0.88
2007 1st round 18 Kyle Lotzkar 8 8 30.0 25 2 21 45 4.50 1.53 6.30 13.50 2.14
2007 free agent 21 Aguido Gonzalez* 16 0 22.0 9 0 9 29 0.00 0.82 3.68 11.86 3.22 Billings, Dayton, Sarasota

Info Age Sarasota G GS IP H HR BB SO ERA WHIP BB/9IP SO/9IP K/BB
2007 3rd round 23 Scott Carroll* 20 19 113.3 117 4 32 76 3.41 1.31 2.54 6.04 2.38 Dayton, Sarasota
2002 free agent 22 Alex Smit 21 21 111.7 98 9 56 94 3.87 1.38 4.51 7.58 1.68
2007 15th round 23 Matt Klinker* 19 18 105.0 98 5 27 76 3.26 1.19 2.31 6.51 2.81 Dayton, Sarasota
2005 free agent 22 Enerio Del Rosario* 26 11 80.3 82 4 27 54 3.70 1.36 3.02 6.05 2.00 Dayton, Sarasota
2004 4th round 22 Rafael Gonzalez 17 15 74.3 80 14 35 53 6.42 1.55 4.24 6.42 1.51
2004 free agent 23 Misael DeJesus* 29 7 69.3 61 7 33 77 4.93 1.36 4.28 10.00 2.33 Sarasota, Chattanooga
2005 13th round 23 Logan Ondrusek* 32 0 56.0 65 1 28 49 4.34 1.66 4.50 7.88 1.75 Sarasota, Louisville
2007 14th round 23 Joe Krebs* 35 0 52.7 51 4 17 42 2.75 1.29 2.91 7.18 2.47 Dayton, Sarasota
2004 7th round 21 Phil Valiquette* 36 0 50.3 51 2 21 51 3.04 1.43 3.75 9.12 2.43 Dayton, Sarasota
2004 free agent 21 Ruben Medina 34 0 49.0 51 1 23 30 3.49 1.51 4.22 5.51 1.30
2004 10th round 22 Terrell Young* 32 0 42.7 36 1 22 38 2.74 1.36 4.64 8.02 1.73 Dayton, Sarasota
2003 5th round 27 Justin James* 14 3 24.0 18 2 10 18 4.13 1.17 3.75 6.75 1.80 GCL, Sarasota, Chattanooga
2008 3rd round 21 Zach Stewart* 13 0 19.3 12 0 5 18 0.47 0.88 2.33 8.38 3.60 Dayton, Sarasota

Info Age Chattanooga G GS IP H HR BB SO ERA WHIP BB/9IP SO/9IP K/BB
2005 5th round 24 James Avery 22 22 118.3 137 13 42 86 4.94 1.51 3.19 6.54 2.05
2006 6th round 22 Jordan Smith* 20 20 115.7 125 8 24 81 3.81 1.29 1.87 6.30 3.38 Sarasota, Chattanooga
2005 4th round 24 Sam LeCure 20 20 113.0 107 10 48 99 3.82 1.37 3.82 7.88 2.06
2005 2nd round 21 Travis Wood* 20 20 98.7 98 7 52 86 4.74 1.52 4.74 7.84 1.65 Sarasota, Chattanooga
2002 4th round 24 Camilo Vazquez* 27 9 76.7 79 6 32 61 3.87 1.45 3.76 7.16 1.91 Sarasota, Chattanooga, Louisville
2005 free agent 24 Robert Manuel* 42 0 67.7 45 2 17 86 1.33 0.92 2.26 11.44 5.06 Sarasota, Chattanooga
2005 free agent 25 Pedro Viola 43 1 50.0 58 3 26 56 5.58 1.68 4.68 10.08 2.15
2006 30th round 23 Lee Tabor* 39 0 49.3 53 4 23 35 4.38 1.54 4.20 6.39 1.52 Sarasota, Chattanooga
2004 free agent 24 Ramon Geronimo* 39 0 46.0 22 0 12 56 0.78 0.74 2.35 10.96 4.67 Sarasota, Chattanooga
2006 19th round 23 Derrik Lutz 46 0 44.3 55 2 27 38 5.48 1.85 5.48 7.71 1.41
2006 2nd round 22 Sean Watson 41 0 41.0 36 5 34 58 5.71 1.71 7.46 12.73 1.71
2001 12th round 25 Mike Hrynio 27 0 38.3 41 6 18 35 5.87 1.54 4.23 8.22 1.94

Info Age Louisville G GS IP H HR BB SO ERA WHIP BB/9IP SO/9IP K/BB
1998 2nd round 31 Adam Pettyjohn 21 21 127.7 133 14 35 59 4.72 1.32 2.47 4.16 1.69
2006 13th round 25 Ben Jukich* 21 21 125.3 132 7 47 96 3.95 1.43 3.38 6.89 2.04 Chattanooga, Louisville
2003 8th round 22 Daryl Thompson* 19 19 115.3 90 9 30 90 2.81 1.04 2.34 7.02 3.00 Chattanooga, Louisville, Cincinnati
2004 free agent 25 Ramon Ramirez* 25 19 112.7 94 12 43 115 4.23 1.22 3.43 9.19 2.67 Chattanooga, Louisville
2005 3rd round 24 Matt Maloney 20 20 111.7 105 12 32 107 4.19 1.23 2.58 8.62 3.34
2003 free agent 26 Justin Mallett* 22 12 82.7 76 8 35 60 4.57 1.34 3.81 6.53 1.71 Chattanooga, Louisville
1998 2nd round 28 Matt Belisle* 28 9 78.3 92 5 16 44 4.94 1.38 1.84 5.06 2.75 Sarasota, Chattanooga, Louisville, Cincinnati
2006 45th round 23 Danny Herrera* 46 0 58.0 49 2 16 47 2.64 1.12 2.48 7.29 2.94 Chattanooga, Louisville, Cincinnati
2005 11th round 25 Carlos Fisher* 39 0 54.3 54 3 22 52 3.48 1.40 3.64 8.61 2.36 Chattanooga, Louisville
1998 9th round 30 Jon Adkins 41 0 48.3 47 4 9 31 3.54 1.16 1.68 5.77 3.44
2006 10th round 25 Josh Roenicke* 44 0 46.7 43 3 17 53 2.70 1.29 3.28 10.22 3.12 Chattanooga, Louisville
2001 4th round 25 Bobby Livingston* 8 8 45.7 51 0 13 34 3.35 1.40 2.56 6.70 2.62 GCL, Sarasota, Louisville
2002 9th round 24 Ty Pelland 34 0 43.0 36 4 27 51 3.98 1.47 5.65 10.67 1.89
2001 4th round 27 Marcus McBeth 22 0 22.7 22 6 14 18 6.75 1.59 5.56 7.15 1.29

Info Age Cincinnati G GS IP H HR BB SO ERA WHIP BB/9IP SO/9IP K/BB
2004 free agent 22 Johnny Cueto 22 22 129.0 129 23 47 116 5.02 1.36 3.28 8.09 2.47
2001 free agent 25 Edinson Volquez 22 21 126.7 105 8 61 134 2.77 1.31 4.33 9.52 2.20
1999 2nd round 29 Aaron Harang 20 19 123.0 138 20 34 108 4.76 1.40 2.49 7.90 3.18
2004 1st round 22 Homer Bailey* 22 22 122.7 139 16 51 93 4.92 1.55 3.74 6.82 1.82 Louisville, Cincinnati
1995 3rd round 31 Bronson Arroyo 22 22 119.0 142 21 42 104 5.60 1.55 3.18 7.87 2.48
1998 3rd round 31 Josh Fogg* 20 13 85.3 100 12 23 55 5.59 1.44 2.43 5.80 2.39 Sarasota, Louisville, Cincinnati
1998 41st round 27 Todd Coffey* 46 0 54.0 67 8 18 46 4.83 1.57 3.00 7.67 2.56 Louisville, Cincinnati
1997 3rd round 29 Jeremy Affeldt 54 0 53.3 56 7 21 55 4.05 1.44 3.54 9.28 2.62
1996 13th round 33 Mike Lincoln 40 0 51.3 39 7 14 45 3.33 1.03 2.45 7.89 3.21
2002 8th round 27 Jared Burton 43 0 48.3 45 3 17 50 2.23 1.28 3.17 9.31 2.94
1998 2nd round 28 Gary Majewski* 48 0 48.0 51 3 14 37 3.75 1.35 2.63 6.94 2.64 Louisville, Cincinnati
1994 free agent 33 Francisco Cordero 49 0 47.3 39 4 29 51 3.42 1.44 5.51 9.70 1.76
1988 3rd round 38 Dave Weathers 47 0 44.0 50 5 19 31 3.48 1.57 3.89 6.34 1.63
2004 1st round 25 Bill Bray* 51 0 43.3 40 3 23 54 2.70 1.45 4.78 11.22 2.35 Louisville, Cincinnati
1986 1st round 40 Kent Mercker* 18 1 16.3 15 1 9 7 3.31 1.47 4.96 3.86 0.78 Dayton, Louisville, Cincinnati

corkedbat
07-29-2008, 03:59 PM
Didn't realize Reonicke was 26. Just another reason to get him up here now and start getgtin him ready for next season

mace
07-29-2008, 04:37 PM
Roenicke's a guy that I don't mind seeing still at AAA. He arrived late to pitching, and apparently he's getting by mostly with fastballs. As hard as he throws, the numbers tell me that he probably doesn't have great location of the fastball. In the big leagues, that's big trouble. So I don't mind seeing him refine his craft in the minor leagues for a little longer.

kpresidente
07-29-2008, 08:53 PM
LHP Tyler Pelland: 43 IP, 36 H, 4 HR, 27 BB/51 K, 3.98 ERA...0.73 ERA in July.

This is the one that caught my eye. I'd noticed while looking around a while ago that his ERA was down in the low-4s, but hadn't looked further into it. It'd be nice to see him regain his prospect status after a horrible start.

redsmetz
07-30-2008, 12:54 PM
Roenicke's a guy that I don't mind seeing still at AAA. He arrived late to pitching, and apparently he's getting by mostly with fastballs. As hard as he throws, the numbers tell me that he probably doesn't have great location of the fastball. In the big leagues, that's big trouble. So I don't mind seeing him refine his craft in the minor leagues for a little longer.

I think this is an important point. In our zeal to see guys get to the big leagues, there are sometimes reasons why it may be better to hold the guy back for further refining. Things aren't often clearly black and white. Sometimes, there's some grey in the picture.

Rojo
07-30-2008, 05:08 PM
Can anyone comment on what has made the following pitchers so effective?
Manuel
Geronimo
A. Gonzalez

If asked before about Manuel. He's a little old for AA, but his numbers are plain sick. Anyone ever see him?

ChatterRed
07-31-2008, 01:40 AM
Good to see Geronimo moved up to double AA.

I agree about Roenicke. I have not seen him pitch, but the "getting by on fastballs" comment reminds me of Coffey. I did know that Roenicke got a late start, as to why he is 26.

Rojo
07-31-2008, 03:09 AM
I agree about Roenicke. I have not seen him pitch, but the "getting by on fastballs" comment reminds me of Coffey. I did know that Roenicke got a late start, as to why he is 26.

Well then let's dangle him in this buyers market.

mace
08-04-2008, 03:25 PM
The latest reliever to heat up is Juan Rafael of Dayton. It seems that just about every affiliate is loaded with two or three relievers who are putting up great numbers. Now, it's not unusual for relievers to post better metrics than starting pitchers; but that said, does it seems like the balance in the Reds' system is overweighted toward the bullpen? Does it seem like some of these guys might/should be converted to starters? Again, the stats can be deceiving; but it's something to ponder.

redsof72
08-04-2008, 05:02 PM
Rafael has been great but is not a prospect. Aguido Gonzalez is another one who does not have the stuff that translates into success against better hitters. I have been told that the Reds are not that high on Geronimo as a major league prospect, but you can't ignore the numbers he has put up this season. Stewart is the real deal. Horst has come out of nowhere and will have a chance.

kpresidente
08-04-2008, 10:53 PM
So which of these guys is major-league ready?

It would be a serious boost to the parent club if we could replace some of the relief pitching we're bound to lose in the offseason with some cheap, homegrown talent.

I have to think Roenicke and Herrera are ready. Geronimo and Manuel maybe by midseason. Pelland could be in the mix if he continues piching well.

ChatterRed
08-05-2008, 09:41 AM
I hope Aguido makes it to the majors. I would love hearing his name all the time. I'd think of some mob hitman.

ChatterRed
08-05-2008, 09:42 AM
So which of these guys is major-league ready?

It would be a serious boost to the parent club if we could replace some of the relief pitching we're bound to lose in the offseason with some cheap, homegrown talent.

I have to think Roenicke and Herrera are ready. Geronimo and Manuel maybe by midseason. Pelland could be in the mix if he continues piching well.


I wish we could trade CoCo to the bullpen hurting White Sox, free up his salary and start using the cheaper guys. I think they are coming along well.

PopFlyHomer
08-05-2008, 11:19 AM
Why is Robert Manuel still pitching Chattanooga? He seems to be dominating at that level.

PopFlyHomer
08-05-2008, 11:29 AM
Nevermind, I just saw that Manuel made his AAA debut last night with 2 shutout innings. That promotion seemed long over due to me.

camisadelgolf
08-05-2008, 12:42 PM
Nevermind, I just saw that Manuel made his AAA debut last night with 2 shutout innings. That promotion seemed long over due to me.

It's not that he hasn't earned it--there just hasn't been much room for him, and there have been older guys in Chattanooga that the Reds have less time to make evaulations on.

PopFlyHomer
08-08-2008, 02:35 PM
OK, I'm sure there was some kind of Louisville roster reason this happened, but are you telling me Robert Manuel---who continues to DOMINATE AA batters-- pitches 2 shutout innings in his first outing for the triple-A Bats, and promptly gets shipped back to Chattanooga????????? Com'on! It better not be because they had to make room for frickin Todd Coffey. Man.

AmarilloRed
08-09-2008, 12:13 AM
I mentioned this earlier on the minor league thread, but Carlos Fisher seems to be stepping it up a notch in Louisville.His numbers: 8 2/3 IP, 5 Hits, 1 run, 1 ER, 5 BB, 12 K, 1.04 ERA, and a .179 BAA allowed in Louisville. I would like to see him get a September callup if he continues like this the rest of August.