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OnBaseMachine
07-29-2008, 08:23 PM
Reds owner visits in Houston

With his team losers of four in a row, Reds owner/CEO Bob Castellini dropped in for a visit in Houston on Tuesday. Castellini met for about an hour with manager Dusty Baker and general manager Walt Jocketty in Baker's office with the door shut. Castellini said his visit was to offer "moral support."

Indications are that the Reds will be quiet before Thursday's deadline. The team is seven games under .500 but there will be no clearing payroll of the books.

"I think a winning record is very important," Castellini said. "Walt has not been instructed to dump salary."

The Reds have had seven consecutive losing seasons.

"There's nothing close," Jocketty said. "I've had a lot of conversations with clubs that looking. If something happened, it'd probably happen close to the deadline. Lately, I've been initiating more calls than I've been receiving."

One of the key trade chips, starting pitcher Bronson Arroyo, appears to be headed nowhere. Arroyo made his feeling clear he didn't want to be dealt last week. Castellini appears to be behind him.

"I'd rather Bronson Arroyo be here next year than me," Castellini said. "He's been one of our shining starts here lately."

-- Mark Sheldon

http://trades.mlblogs.com/

OnBaseMachine
07-29-2008, 08:24 PM
I highly doubt Castellini flew to Houston to just offer Baker and Jocketty "moral support." I'm thinking this may be an indication that the Reds may indeed make a trade.

Spring~Fields
07-29-2008, 08:27 PM
http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=blog07&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3ae57bcc87-152a-4f72-96fb-cc08b1f396efPost%3ad5d5e751-1ba5-4414-a4f3-fcdcbc3b0f46&sid=sitelife.cincinnati.com

Reds CEO Bob Castellini made a side trip to Houston and met with the front office staff and Dusty Baker.

"It's discouraging and frustrating," he said. "We've got talent on this team and we don't want anyone to lose their confidence. We'll take it one day at a time."

Here's what he said:

On Bronson Arroyo and a salary dump: "I'd rather Bronson Arroyo be here next year than me. He's been one of our shining stars lately."

On Adam Dunn: "How can you not be a supporter of his power. He's probably had the best year he's ever had in Major League Baseball."

Castellini, however, would not answer the direct question about whether there was a chance that Dunn would be back.

On deals being discussed with Walt Jocketty: "Walt can talk to me forever and not say a thing."

On why he's here: "I was in Colorado. It was a good opportunity to swing by, give everybody moral support. This is the time of year you can lose confidence. That shouldn't happen with a team of this caliber. That Rockie series was rocky. It was the worst series that we've had since we owned the team. These fellows are better than that and so are the managers and coaches behind them. We're all better than that."

On a winning record: "I think a winning record is very, very important. We want to win. Walt has not been instructed to dump salary."

On the Ken Griffey Jr.-Jeff Brantley controversy: "I got a little whiff of that today. That will be handled internally."

Are the broadcasters too critical in general? "They're still working for us. Sometimes all of us can be overly critical or keeping saying things and saying them instead of leaving them alone. If once in a while that happens with some of our announcers, that's a human error and they hear about from the fans and everybody else. I don't think any of our five key (announcers are) overly negative."

Walt Jocketty answered questions also:
Nn potential trades:" "Nothing close. We've had a lot of conversations. I still think clubs are looking. But if something's going to happen, it will probably be close to the deadline. I've been making calls.

"If we're going to make a trade and take someone away from our club, it's going to have to for someone who will help us for the future."

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BCubb2003
07-29-2008, 08:29 PM
Is moral support worse than a vote of confidence?

OnBaseMachine
07-29-2008, 08:33 PM
Castellini makes surprise visit

By Hal McCoy | Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 06:47 PM
What do you think?

Bob Castellini popped into town unannounced Tuesday and spent an hour in manager Dusty Baker’s office with general manager Walt Jocketty. He said he was in Denver and decided to drop in for some butt-propping.

Smoke was not detected coming out of the office. Baker walked out with his job in place, as did Jocketty.

“This is discouraging and frustrating,” Castellini said when he emerged. “We have talent on this team and we don’t want anybody to lose their confidence. We’ll take it one day at a time.”

That’s what has been happening, only mostly it is one loss at a time.

Castellini quickly shuffled aside any chance that Bronson Arroyo might be traded when he said, “I’d rather Bronson Arroyo be here next year than me.”

Said Jocketty to Castellini, “He has a chance to win more games than you.”

Then Castellini added, “He has been one of our shining starts here lately (Bronson).”

And does he still support Adam Dunn? “How can you not be a supporter of his power? He is probably having the best year he has ever had in major-league baseball.”

Is there a chance we’ll see him back next year?

“Is there a chance we’ll see you back?” Castellini asked.

“He’s not a free agent,” said Jocketty, meaning the writer, not Dunn.

So, the team is not in a salary dump mode headed into Thursday’s trade deadline?

“Walt has not been instructed to dump salary,” said Jocketty.

Castellini was, uh, rather blunt about the three-game series at home during which the Colorado Rockies dumped on the Reds three straight, outscoring them 23-3 and outhitting them 46-15.

“The Rockies series was rocky,” said Castellini. “Fellows, it was the worst series since we’ve owned the team. Now I’m here to give moral support. This is the time of year when you can lose confidence. That shouldn’t happen to a team of this calibre.

“These fellow are better than this - and the managers and the coaches - we’re all better than thisl,” Castellini added. “We have a lot of good things going on here. Mike Lincoln.”

What else?

“A lot of good things in general,” he said.

OK, HOW ABOUT trades?

“A lot of conversations, but nothing close,” said Jocketty, who admitted that he is probably initiating more phone calls than he is receiving. “I’ve had a lot of conversations, but if something happens it’ll probably be closer to the deadline (4 p.m. Thursday).

“A winning record is very importatn to us - we want to win,” said Castellini. “We’re taking it day-by-day.”

Said Jocketty, “To make a trade just to make a trade is a big mistake. To make a trade to take away from our club, it has to be something to help us now and in the future.”

http://www.daytondailynews.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/cincinnatireds/

klw
07-29-2008, 08:35 PM
Maybe he saw tonight's lineup and was spurred to fly down.

Always Red
07-29-2008, 08:42 PM
“A winning record is very important to us - we want to win,” said Castellini. “We’re taking it day-by-day.”


http://www.daytondailynews.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/cincinnatireds/

I hope Jocketty told Castellini that having a winning record in baseball does not make you a winner.


On deals being discussed with Walt Jocketty: "Walt can talk to me forever and not say a thing."

Maybe Walt explained that to Cast without saying any words?? ;)

RedsManRick
07-29-2008, 08:45 PM
I guess he's here to tell Dusty to get Patterson back in the leadoff spot.

Spring~Fields
07-29-2008, 08:54 PM
I guess he's here to tell Dusty to get Patterson back in the leadoff spot.


You know RedsManRick, (sorry can't resist.)


"That shouldn't happen with a team of this caliber."

:)

KronoRed
07-29-2008, 08:54 PM
Reminds me of when John Allen flew out to Colorado.

Spring~Fields
07-29-2008, 09:02 PM
“A winning record is very importatn to us -we want to win,” said Castellini. “We’re taking it day-by-day.”



day-by-day ?

Isn't that what they say when one is in critical condition or on their death bed?

Matt700wlw
07-29-2008, 09:06 PM
The winning record doesn't mean a thing this season....82 wins or 70, in end, NEITHER are good enough to compete, and this team is going to struggle to get to 82

Quit focusing on this lost season and get this team in a better position for next season, if at all possible. This year is OVER...the fans don't care about the "winning season" if that season doesn't put them in position of postseason play...THAT should be the goal...not "a winning season"


The current roster, as is, won't win next year either.

GAC
07-29-2008, 09:11 PM
"It's discouraging and frustrating," he said. "We've got talent on this team and we don't want anyone to lose their confidence[/b].

It's pretty much the same talent you've had for the last year or so. Now it's all about a confidence level?

Spring~Fields
07-29-2008, 09:28 PM
It's pretty much the same talent you've had for the last year or so. Now it's all about a confidence level?

Yeah confidence. :)

Bob's livin large while the players and fans are getting their lunches handed to them, taking a beating.

Spring~Fields
07-29-2008, 09:29 PM
The winning record doesn't mean a thing this season....82 wins or 70, in end, NEITHER are good enough to compete, and this team is going to struggle to get to 82

Quit focusing on this lost season and get this team in a better position for next season, if at all possible. This year is OVER...the fans don't care about the "winning season" if that season doesn't put them in position of postseason play...THAT should be the goal...not "a winning season"


The current roster, as is, won't win next year either.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

cincyinco
07-30-2008, 03:37 AM
Whenever Bob C gives a vote of confidence or "moral support" it usually has been a death sentence for whomever. Jerry Narron, krivsky, etc.

But anyway, sounds like more of the same to me. Jocketty sits on his hands, reds maintain status quo... We may be looking at no moves, and getting nothing of value for pending FA's. But the losing is coming to and end still, right?

If yonder alonso doesn't sign, that will just be the icing on the crap cake that is the reds franchise this year. What a sharade its been so far.

Ltlabner
07-30-2008, 08:42 AM
Wait a sec. I thought the losing stopped a while back. Maybe Bob meant the losing stops now! No really. I mean it this time.

Agree with Matt. Pack it in. Forget the charade of "competing" and "wining baseball" and do something to put the team in a position to suceede in the future.

And here I thought Mr. Wonderfull from St. Louis would really shake things up.

redsmetz
07-30-2008, 11:13 AM
And here I thought Mr. Wonderfull from St. Louis would really shake things up.

I'm guessing you're referring to Castellini and his being part of the ownership group in St. Louis. I've always wondered about this being a plus because I've always understood that Castellini was just one of the ownership group much like the Reds have had a group of folks who've owned the team. Holdovers here have been Mrs. Nippert, William J. Reik and George L. Strike. They all have a place at the table as investors (which is how they and about 15 other folks or LLC's), but they're not managing owners.

I'm not suggesting that Castellini doesn't have the business savvy to run this organization and that he didn't necessarily pick up some valuable insight being part of the ownership group in St. Louis (and Baltimore earlier - but lets not go there!). But I've never had the impression that he had much to do with the day to day operations of the Cardinals.

Now if you mean Jocketty, allow me to quote Ms. Emily Litella: "Never mind"

flyer85
07-30-2008, 11:27 AM
kind of seems like we're on Bob and Walt's Excellent Adventure

Matt700wlw
07-30-2008, 11:35 AM
What we were told on January 20, 2006

Dear Cincinnati Reds Fans,
We are proud to be the new owners of America's first professional baseball team, the Cincinnati Reds.

We're long-time baseball fans who have grown up with the Reds and have fond memories of going to the ballpark. In our lifetime, we faithfully cheered on the Reds through three World Series championships, six National League championships and eight division titles.

We know this team truly belongs to you, and we understand what the Reds mean to our city and our region. We know what a winning team can do for a city's pride. We also understand the unique legacy the Reds hold in baseball history and the potential to reignite an American love affair with the nation's first professional baseball team.

It is with a sense of both responsibility and respect that we pledge to Reds fans:
We will bring championship baseball to Cincinnati. The Reds have a long tradition of success. Only three cities have won more World Series than Cincinnati. We will work hard to be a championship team again.

We will build one of the most respected organizations in baseball. As partners in other successful baseball organizations we know how it's done. We will build a winning management team by putting the right people in the right positions with the right resources to win. We will foster a winning attitude and culture.

We will have a greater community presence. We will continue to improve the lives of area children by building on already successful Reds Community Fund programs like the Rookie Success League. Whether it's providing a way for inner-city children to play baseball or generating funds for charity, we'll take this outreach to a new level.
We will rekindle the Reds Nation spirit. We'll share our story and our strategy, communicating directly with fans everywhere who want to know what is going on. When you visit the ballpark, we'll periodically be asking for your feedback so we can continuously improve the experience. Our goal is that you feel a part of the Reds Nation whether you're at the game, listening on the radio or living in another major league city.
We will not rest until you are happy. The Reds are, after all, your team. You buy the tickets. You watch the games. You support us financially and emotionally. Without you, the Reds cannot be great. We know you won't be happy until the team wins. We won't be happy, either.

Bringing championship baseball to Cincinnati is the ultimate goal. Like you we believe in the power, potential and magic of the Cincinnati Reds. We will work tirelessly to bring a winner home to you.

CrackerJack
07-30-2008, 12:01 PM
Wonder if he's meeting with the Duster....can't be happy with the job he's done.

redsmetz
07-30-2008, 12:19 PM
Wonder if he's meeting with the Duster....can't be happy with the job he's done.

According to the reports, he met with both Baker and Jocketty. Clearly he is not pleased with the team's performance, but I doubt we're going to see heads roll, but I could be wrong.

Jpup
07-30-2008, 12:57 PM
I guess we know why Jr. did not start last night.

BCubb2003
07-30-2008, 01:36 PM
I guess we know why Jr. did not start last night.

Sore throat?

KronoRed
07-30-2008, 03:10 PM
According to the reports, he met with both Baker and Jocketty. Clearly he is not pleased with the team's performance, but I doubt we're going to see heads roll, but I could be wrong.

Nah, it's all the rotten players faults :D

Spring~Fields
07-30-2008, 03:21 PM
What we were told on January 20, 2006

Dear Cincinnati Reds Fans,

We are proud to be the new owners

We know what a winning team can do for a city's pride.

It is with a sense of both responsibility and respect

that we pledge to Reds fans:

We will bring championship baseball to Cincinnati.

We will work hard to be a championship team again.

We will build one of the most respected organizations in baseball.

As partners in other successful baseball organizations we know how it's done.

We will build a winning management team by putting the right people in the right positions with the right resources to win.

We will foster a winning attitude and culture.

You buy the tickets.

You watch the games.

You support us financially

We will work tirelessly to bring a winner home to you.

RedlegJake
07-30-2008, 04:14 PM
Losing creates threads like this. Defeatist, everyone stinks, we'll never win, woe-is-us threads. We'll pick at soundbites and gnaw on every error, every loss magnifies the feeling of being stuck in an unending mire that goes on and on like the Okefenokee swamp.

We follow a franchise that has zigged then zagged and never held a course for more than a couple of years. Cried for a new owner, a new GM, a new manager, and we got them - over and over again actually. So, maybe Bob is a man of his word and he fires himself. Sells. Another new owner. Or maybe he gets impatient after another year of this and fires Walt. And the cycle just repeats itself hopelessly. Bob is learning. Being a background partner ain't the same thing as being the man in charge of the group. Winning isn't fierce soundbites, or podium pounding rants that the losing stops now. Sometimes the losing begins to stop before it's actually recorded in the win-loss column. Our team's owner now has his GM - the guy he really wanted all along. Before long, Walt will get his manager - the guy he really wants. The the picture will be complete and the FO churn can cease.

Sometimes getting to the wins is a slow slog forward, a deal that makes you a bit better here and there, maturation of prospects garnered by good scouting and assessment, and stability in an organization that yields a plan that works and becomes a system that produces.

That's the genius of Billy Beane. Not his talent judgement, or his trading acumen. It's the proven system he's put in place that a whole organization gets behind. The Cardinals under Jocketty gathered a team, a manager, coaches, and GM: a long lasting team that produced a plan - different than Bean's to be sure, but a successful system all the same. More on acquiring proven under-appreciated talent using their prospects as bait, kind of anti-Beane in its direction but there are many ways to build a winning franchise.

Again, though, the whole Cardinal organization followed a plan that became a system that produced the right players more often than not. Their new owners chafed and Jocketty was out in favor of a more sabremetric guy but for now the same system is still operating in Saint Lou. Walt spent 13 years building that system and LaRussa, Duncan and others still there are holding the course. Once the new guy begins to break it down - maybe they find a new path or maybe they start to fall apart, but it's the continuity of the past that is still holding them together right now. Continuity. Winning starts there.

Sorry for the rant. This has been a darn difficult season. Posting is difficult. It's hard to have anything to say that isn't being said over and over again. Losing makes for bitter company sometimes.

MartyFan
07-30-2008, 05:06 PM
I don't think there is any huge need to trade all the players now...this team IS NOT as bad as their record. I know that doesn't change the record but the team overall is better than it was a year ago.

With the contracts that will be coming off at the end of the year, the Reds could keep the team they have left, add a couple of FA's and be a beast....or not.

harangatang
07-30-2008, 07:10 PM
If Bob said things like we need find a way to at least score more runs than we allow or we need to improve the offense (Reds team OPS+ is at 93 right now) I would feel a little more confident as his abilities as an owner. The Reds are little worse than their record shows with a Pythag W-L is at 47-61 right now. Either Castellini isn't saying the truth or he is severely misinformed.

BCubb2003
07-30-2008, 07:23 PM
To oversimplify things, the Reds need a bunch of Brandon Phillipses up the middle and some Adam Dunns on the corners. Let's hope they don't all slump at the same time.

Unfortunately, it's easier to end up with Alex Gonzalezes up the middle and a grab bag of Encarnacions, Vottos, Hattebergs on the corners.

Spring~Fields
07-31-2008, 09:51 PM
Whenever Bob C gives a vote of confidence or "moral support" it usually has been a death sentence for whomever. Jerry Narron, krivsky, etc.



Good memory, you called that one.

Spring~Fields
07-31-2008, 09:52 PM
Unfortunately, it's easier to end up with Alex Gonzalezes up the middle and a grab bag of Encarnacions, Vottos, Hattebergs on the corners.

Sometimes that is all the GM can afford on the company credit card.