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Red in Chicago
07-29-2008, 08:44 PM
REDS

Patterson cf
Keppinger ss
Dunn lf
Phillips 2b
Bruce rf
Cabrera 3b
Votto 1b
Ross c
Arroyo p

Astros

Matsui 2b
Tejada ss
Berkman 1b
Lee lf
Blum 3b
Pence rf
Erstad cf
Quintero c
Moehler p

OnBaseMachine
07-29-2008, 08:45 PM
The Reds *should* crush Moehler but ya never know. I predict two homeruns from Dunn tonight and one from Bruce.

mbgrayson
07-29-2008, 08:49 PM
Is Griffey sitting due to the Grifffey-Brantley feud?

KronoRed
07-29-2008, 08:51 PM
Is Griffey sitting due to the Grifffey-Brantley feud?

I doubt it but expect the radio guys to make believe he is.

Matt700wlw
07-29-2008, 09:10 PM
I doubt it but expect the radio guys to make believe he is.

Yeah, I'm sure that will happen......

oneupper
07-29-2008, 09:10 PM
5 pitches...two outs.

OnBaseMachine
07-29-2008, 09:11 PM
Dunn again hits a bomb that is gone in GABP but is only a warning track flyout in this park.

NC Reds
07-29-2008, 09:11 PM
Dusty never learns. There is no justification for Corey Patterson-Baker to hit leadoff.

MasonBuzz3
07-29-2008, 09:14 PM
Dunner hitting 3rd...if only it was more than a one night thing

OnBaseMachine
07-29-2008, 09:16 PM
1-2-3 first inning by Arroyo. He took a line drive off the leg that caromed to Phillips for an out. He looks to be OK.

OnBaseMachine
07-29-2008, 09:21 PM
Bruce with a 400+ foot flyout to CF. Two outs.

OnBaseMachine
07-29-2008, 09:23 PM
Six up six down for Moehler.

NC Reds
07-29-2008, 09:23 PM
I really don't like that ballpark. Luck, in the form of long flyballs to the wrong part of the park, comes into play too much there.

Ltlabner
07-29-2008, 09:24 PM
CPatt leading off...his special type of suck be dammed.

WVRedsFan
07-29-2008, 09:28 PM
The Reds *should* crush Moehler but ya never know. I predict two homeruns from Dunn tonight and one from Bruce.OBM is the eternal optimist.

The Reds will be lucky to get 3 runs total tonight.

Moehler will pitch his best game of the seaon tonight against this team which is in a horrible funk and without Encarnacion and Griffey.

KittyDuran
07-29-2008, 09:31 PM
OBM is the eternal optimist.

The Reds will be lucky to get 3 runs total tonight.

Moehler will pitch his best game of the seaon tonight against this team which is in a horrible funk and without Encarnacion and Griffey.This team is in a horrible funk with Encarnacion and Griffey...:(

OnBaseMachine
07-29-2008, 09:32 PM
1-0 Astros after two innings.

NC Reds
07-29-2008, 09:35 PM
Good swing by Votto.

OnBaseMachine
07-29-2008, 09:35 PM
Votto doubles to begin the third.

OnBaseMachine
07-29-2008, 09:39 PM
Another 400 foot flyout this time by Ross. Votto moves to third.

RedsManRick
07-29-2008, 09:39 PM
There's another 400 foot out to CF.

SteelSD
07-29-2008, 09:42 PM
According to Astros' announcers, Jolbert Cabrera is the reason the Reds can afford to carry three catchers.

In other (real) news, Twins DFA Adam Everett.

OnBaseMachine
07-29-2008, 09:43 PM
Arroyo doubles to score Votto. 1-1.

NC Reds
07-29-2008, 09:44 PM
Yeah, I hate this park.

I'm cheering for Corey to break futility records this year. The next time Dusty makes a suggestion on a player, the GM just has to say, "remember what you said Corey Patterson would bring to the team."

BCubb2003
07-29-2008, 09:48 PM
There's another 400 foot out to CF.

What happened to the Juice Box and Earned Run Field?

OnBaseMachine
07-29-2008, 09:52 PM
Two out solo homerun by Tejada makes it 2-1 Astros in the third.

SteelSD
07-29-2008, 09:53 PM
What happened to the Juice Box and Earned Run Field?

Tejada with a reminder. ;)

jesusfan
07-29-2008, 09:53 PM
That ball just landed in Cincinnati..

jesusfan
07-29-2008, 09:54 PM
Tejada with a reminder. ;)

I think that ball would've been gone pretty much anywhere on the earth where there is a baseball field...

RedsManRick
07-29-2008, 10:00 PM
I'm so confused. The Astros announcers keep talking about Dunn like he's a very good player who would be an asset to any team. Don't they know he hates baseball and strikes out a lot?

SteelSD
07-29-2008, 10:00 PM
I think that ball would've been gone pretty much anywhere on the earth where there is a baseball field...

And some places that don't have a baseball field.

BTW, I like the Astros' announcers. They aren't smart enough to count higher than the number of stars on the Astros unis, but they're like two drunk guys who are just out to have a good time. Invoking the name of Kal Daniels pretty much at random was pretty funny.

oneupper
07-29-2008, 10:06 PM
And some places that don't have a baseball field.

BTW, I like the Astros' announcers. They aren't smart enough to count higher than the number of stars on the Astros unis, but they're like two drunk guys who are just out to have a good time. Invoking the name of Kal Daniels pretty much at random was pretty funny.

Astros announcers: "Corey Patterson should not be leading off"

They're smart enough.

OnBaseMachine
07-29-2008, 10:10 PM
2-1 Astros after four.

SteelSD
07-29-2008, 10:12 PM
Astros announcers: "Corey Patterson should not be leading off"

They're smart enough.

Meh. I give no points for that. Understanding that Patterson shouldn't be leading off is akin to knowing that you don't put your hand on a hot stove burner. Some folks understand intuitively, some learn by experience, and some who don't learn get hired to be our favorite team's manager.

In short, it's an incredibly low bar. ;)

jesusfan
07-29-2008, 10:16 PM
1 run in 5 innings against Brian freaking Moehler... This Reds ship is really sinking now... I've already jumped off....

jesusfan
07-29-2008, 10:17 PM
1 more inning and Lackey has no hit the Red Sox...

jesusfan
07-29-2008, 10:27 PM
Pedroia breaks up the no no with 1 out in the 9th... dang

jesusfan
07-29-2008, 10:28 PM
Youk breaks up the shut out with a home-run to left... that was quick..

jesusfan
07-29-2008, 10:28 PM
I know I know... this hasn't turned into the Redsox vs Angels game thread... but it may as well...

Matt700wlw
07-29-2008, 10:32 PM
:lol:

OnBaseMachine
07-29-2008, 10:32 PM
Goodness. Arroyo retired the first two hitters in the 5th with ease and then allowed a single, single, HBP and grand slam to Lee.

6-1 Astros.

CTA513
07-29-2008, 10:32 PM
Arroyo did all this with 2 outs in the inning.

RedFanAlways1966
07-29-2008, 10:33 PM
Arroyo doubles to score Votto.

The REDS first run scored without a home run since the 9th inning last Friday. 29 innings... pathetic.

Falls City Beer
07-29-2008, 10:34 PM
No one's going to trade for Arroyo now. Yippee. Two more years of this.

OnBaseMachine
07-29-2008, 10:35 PM
No one's going to trade for Arroyo now. Yippee. Two more years of this.

They weren't going to anyways because the Reds pulled him off the market.

Falls City Beer
07-29-2008, 10:36 PM
They weren't going to anyways because the Reds pulled him off the market.

Wayne will be remembered as fondly as DanO before it's all over.

OnBaseMachine
07-29-2008, 10:37 PM
Wayne will be remembered as fondly as DanO before it's all over.

Oh great, another bash Wayne Krivsky post. Cool. It's not like we have enough of those.

Arroyo was drawing interest but Jocketty pulled him off the market, not Wayne.

Matt700wlw
07-29-2008, 10:37 PM
No one's going to trade for Arroyo now. Yippee. Two more years of this.

They took him off the block anyway....

OnBaseMachine
07-29-2008, 10:38 PM
Arroyo was one strike away from having a 1-2-3 inning and then lost it and turned it into a four run inning.

Falls City Beer
07-29-2008, 10:39 PM
They took him off the block anyway....

Because no one was going to give them anything in return. The pulling him off the market is simply a reflection of that fact. They'd still trade him, but no one wants the contract or the player.

OnBaseMachine
07-29-2008, 10:40 PM
Because no one was going to give them anything in return. The pulling him off the market is simply a reflection of that fact. They'd still trade him, but no one wants the contract or the player.

The Rockies and Yankees expressed interest as did the Phillies.

Falls City Beer
07-29-2008, 10:41 PM
The Rockies and Yankees expressed interest as did the Phillies.

Sure, they'd trade for him if the Reds would pick up a big chunk of the contract.

HokieRed
07-29-2008, 10:45 PM
Wayne Krivsky is manifestly a worse GM than Dan O'Brien and it's not even close.

Falls City Beer
07-29-2008, 10:45 PM
Wayne Krivsky is manifestly a worse GM than Dan O'Brien and it's not even close.

I'm not sure about that.

edabbs44
07-29-2008, 10:46 PM
Oh great, another bash Wayne Krivsky post. Cool. It's not like we have enough of those.

Arroyo was drawing interest but Jocketty pulled him off the market, not Wayne.

Arroyo has a lot more interest without the needless extension.

OnBaseMachine
07-29-2008, 10:48 PM
Wayne Krivsky is manifestly a worse GM than Dan O'Brien and it's not even close.

Good Lord. What a ridiculous statement. Krivsky brought plenty of talent to this organization.

SteelSD
07-29-2008, 10:53 PM
Because no one was going to give them anything in return. The pulling him off the market is simply a reflection of that fact. They'd still trade him, but no one wants the contract or the player.

The time to trade Arroyo was after the 2006 season. Unfortunately, at that point the Reds were so pitching-starved that they saw Arroyo as a long-term solution as a member of the team rather than as a commodity who should have been moved for a haul of prospects in order to enable a very necessary talent churn.

Spring~Fields
07-29-2008, 10:54 PM
Meh. I give no points for that. Understanding that Patterson shouldn't be leading off is akin to knowing that you don't put your hand on a hot stove burner. Some folks understand intuitively, some learn by experience, and some who don't learn get hired to be our favorite team's manager.
In short, it's an incredibly low bar. ;)

:bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl: :bowrofl:

Best play of the game.

Matt700wlw
07-29-2008, 11:01 PM
Here's the nightly double switch...Edwin and Majewski in...Arroyo and Cabrera out

Falls City Beer
07-29-2008, 11:04 PM
Here's the nightly double switch...Edwin and Majewski in...Arroyo and Cabrera out

Like it matters.

KoryMac5
07-29-2008, 11:08 PM
You know the Reds aren't having a good night when the game thread is at 4 pgs and its the end of the 7th. Its time to close the doors and turn off the lights.

Matt700wlw
07-29-2008, 11:09 PM
80 pitches....wow

NC Reds
07-29-2008, 11:11 PM
I really thought we would drub Moeller. He's poor and right-handed. Of course, Dusty made sure to start a lesser lineup against him. Hello Corey.

Matt700wlw
07-29-2008, 11:13 PM
The Reds are a few outs away from last place.....

OnBaseMachine
07-29-2008, 11:13 PM
OBM is the eternal optimist.

The Reds will be lucky to get 3 runs total tonight.

Moehler will pitch his best game of the seaon tonight against this team which is in a horrible funk and without Encarnacion and Griffey.

You were right. One run in 8 innings off Moehler. Wow.

Doc. Scott
07-29-2008, 11:13 PM
It absolutely boggles my mind that Corey Patterson has managed to hit a hundred big-league home runs.

CTA513
07-29-2008, 11:13 PM
The Reds are a few outs away from last place.....

They might as well keep losing and try to get the #1 pick.

Matt700wlw
07-29-2008, 11:14 PM
Why is CP here? I mean really!

CTA513
07-29-2008, 11:14 PM
Whats the lowest average ever for someone who has over 200 at bats in a season?

Falls City Beer
07-29-2008, 11:16 PM
Soft-tossing righty--Reds' venom with no antidote.

Arroyo would absolute handcuff this offense if he were pitching against it--maybe it is smart they're hanging on to him.

Raisor
07-29-2008, 11:16 PM
I'm watching The OC on the soap network (via DVR).

My wife loves it, and the girls are hot.

RedFanAlways1966
07-29-2008, 11:20 PM
Whats the lowest average ever for someone who has over 200 at bats in a season?

Ray Oyler hit .135 in 247 PA for the champion 1968 Detroit Tigers.

Doc. Scott
07-29-2008, 11:24 PM
Gary Majewski in July: 10 games, 10.2 innings, five hits, one run, four walks, seven strikeouts.

That is some primo mop-up duty, there.

mbgrayson
07-29-2008, 11:24 PM
Ray Oyler hit .135 in 247 PA for the champion 1968 Detroit Tigers.
Keep whiffing Corey! You can do it! .183 and dropping....you can do it!

mbgrayson
07-29-2008, 11:26 PM
Ray Oyler hit .135 in 247 PA for the champion 1968 Detroit Tigers.

I'll bet he didn't hit lead-off....

mbgrayson
07-29-2008, 11:28 PM
Why isn't Griffey pinch hitting here? IS he in trouble for the Brantley thing?

VR
07-29-2008, 11:28 PM
Whats the lowest average ever for someone who has over 200 at bats in a season?

He's 9 for his last 80. That's a .112 BA.

Would it surprise you if I told you that was his OBP as well? Actually....no walks over his last 140 ab's.....dating back to April 29th.

OOOOOhh! I have an idea, let's bat HIM leadoff!

Bronson Arroyo has a higher ba, obp, and ops.

Doc. Scott
07-29-2008, 11:28 PM
Why isn't Griffey pinch hitting here? IS he in trouble for the Brantley thing?

No, it's because Valentin is clutch, man.

NC Reds
07-29-2008, 11:31 PM
It's probably not fair to scapegoat, but I think firing Brook Jacoby would be a step in the right direction. I'd rather fire Dusty, but I know that won't happen.

Oh yeah, cut Corey too so Dusty can't use him.

Doc. Scott
07-29-2008, 11:31 PM
Moehler is yanked after walking Valentin. Screw you, Scuffy!

RedFanAlways1966
07-29-2008, 11:32 PM
Valentin walks... 1st walk of the game for either team. Matches the April 10th game at Milwaukee where there was a total of 1 walk in the game (REDS 1 - Milw 0).

One more walk and the tying run comes to the plate. A REDS fan can dream, right?!?

mbgrayson
07-29-2008, 11:33 PM
No, it's because Valentin is clutch, man.
Griffey's career line vs. Moehler: .297/.325/.459 for an OPS of .784. THis is over 37 ABs. I just don't get him sitting infavor of Patterson when Thursay is an off day.

Now Griffey on deck while Votto batting. ????

VR
07-29-2008, 11:36 PM
stro's announcers getting a great kick out of Votto swinging at 2-0 after the first two weren't close.

RedFanAlways1966
07-29-2008, 11:41 PM
5 game losing streak...
* Hits: Opponent = 63 ; REDS = 31
* Runs: Opponent = 34 ; REDS = 9
* HRs: Opponent = 8 ; REDS = 2

REDS starters...
* ERA = 9.85 ; WHIP = 2.15

WVRedsFan
07-30-2008, 12:07 AM
You were right. One run in 8 innings off Moehler. Wow.

OBM, I can see when this team goes into one of these spells from a mile away. I'm not sure what's wrong, but when it goes bad, everyone goes bad. We taken Jay Bruce from a patient hitter to a first pitch hitter. Jeff Keppinger no longer is the guy "that always hits." Brandon Phillips hacks at everything that comes up there and makes tons of outs. Even Votto and Edwin just swing away without regard for making the best of their at-bats. Only Dunn and Griffey are hitting well now and one of them didn't play tonight.

On the pitching front, you just knew that Bronson would have one of those games--he was due. Without a healthy Harang, we have three kids, the inconsistent Arroyo, and Josh Fogg as our starters. Volquez has not been himself and Cueto is learning on the job. It's a recipe for disaster. No hitting and no starting pitching = losses. Expect another tomorrow and by the time this road trip is over, the Reds will be back in last place. They'll fight back in August to probably fourth, but they'll have to fight both Houston and Pittsburgh for that, and both of these teams make our offense look like the 1962 Mets. It ain't pretty.

SteelSD
07-30-2008, 12:23 AM
He's 9 for his last 80. That's a .112 BA.

Would it surprise you if I told you that was his OBP as well? Actually....no walks over his last 140 ab's.....dating back to April 29th.

OOOOOhh! I have an idea, let's bat HIM leadoff!

Bronson Arroyo has a higher ba, obp, and ops.

I honestly can't think of anyone other than Dusty Baker who'd pencil Corey Patterson into the leadoff slot. It was beyond retarded to start the season with him there and it's even worse to continue to run Patterson out there after the kind of abject failure we've seen from him over and over again.

Like Baker, Patterson is a total waste of money.

WVRedsFan
07-30-2008, 12:51 AM
I honestly can't think of anyone other than Dusty Baker who'd pencil Corey Patterson into the leadoff slot. It was beyond retarded to start the season with him there and it's even worse to continue to run Patterson out there after the kind of abject failure we've seen from him over and over again.

Like Baker, Patterson is a total waste of money.


On the bright side, he hadn't started any games except the one against the Rockies and tonight in a month. Still...

Interestingly, the top of the order tonight went 2-12. The middle of the order was 3-11, and the bottom of the order was 1-10. It's going to be a long slump I think.

BuckeyeRedleg
07-30-2008, 02:27 AM
Like Baker, Patterson is a total waste of money.

6.5 million wasted dollars.

Maybe Krivsky is the Joker and he's just likes to burn money and cause chaos.

Ltlabner
07-30-2008, 08:35 AM
OBM, I can see when this team goes into one of these spells from a mile away. I'm not sure what's wrong, but when it goes bad, everyone goes bad. We taken Jay Bruce from a patient hitter to a first pitch hitter. Jeff Keppinger no longer is the guy "that always hits." Brandon Phillips hacks at everything that comes up there and makes tons of outs. Even Votto and Edwin just swing away without regard for making the best of their at-bats. Only Dunn and Griffey are hitting well now and one of them didn't play tonight.

That's the magic of Dustyball!

Be agressive at the plate. A swinging bat is a dangerous bat!

WVRedsFan
07-30-2008, 01:54 PM
That's the magic of Dustyball!

Be agressive at the plate. A swinging bat is a dangerous bat!

that should be DustyBall, sir. Show some respect. :)

Woe is us...

Matt700wlw
07-30-2008, 04:10 PM
6.5 million wasted dollars.

Maybe Krivsky is the Joker and he's just likes to burn money and cause chaos.

Then who's Batman?

guttle11
07-30-2008, 09:17 PM
Then who's Batman?

Raisor.