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reds44
08-02-2008, 12:17 AM
Who's with me?

SirFelixCat
08-02-2008, 12:18 AM
Who's with me?

Aaron Harang should.

reds44
08-02-2008, 12:20 AM
Aaron Harang should.
Then Masset should replace Fogg.

WVRedsFan
08-02-2008, 12:22 AM
A little early to tell. He had a good outing tonight, but so did Thompson against the Yankees and we know how that turned out.

I am all in favor of someone (anyone?) replacing Homer. In fact, I'd run him back to Louisville tonight. If there ever was a pitcher who wasn't ready, Homer is the guy. Besides, Harang will be back soon and we've only got room for one 5th starter and Fogg is not suitable as a bullpen guy. The solution was to trade Fogg, but apparently no one wanted him (and I understand).

Maybe Affeldt?

BTW, Dusty said tonight that they were "stretching out" Masset for that reason.

Patrick Bateman
08-02-2008, 12:29 AM
I wasn't that particularly impressed with Masset today, but basically anyone in the major league rotation is a better idea than Bailey right now.

Masset reminds me in a lot of ways to Todd Wellemeyer. He's got a big frame, good velocity on the fastball, used to have theoretical promise... but also has no breaking stuff, below average command. Heck even mechanically they seem familiar.

I don't like Wellemeyer and I never have, and I probably wont like Masset. But ya, he's as logical as any candidate to replace Bailey as any. Protect the young arms and let them develop. Long term Masset likely wont be anything other than a 6-7th type of pitcher.

Reds1
08-02-2008, 01:08 AM
Masset had better movement then I was expecting. I was very surprised of his stuff. He had all his pitches tonight though. I still like homer getting another start. Just not hitting spots.

KronoRed
08-02-2008, 01:36 AM
The Bailey experiment needs to be over for this year, this was the Nationals, not a team with talent.

Big Klu
08-02-2008, 01:43 AM
Who did Masset replace on the roster? I'm assuming it was Coffey.

(Hairston was activated to replace Griffey.)

Tornon
08-02-2008, 02:20 AM
Who did Masset replace on the roster? I'm assuming it was Coffey.



Yea, it was Coffey. I had been trying to figure out the same thing, everything I had found listed 26 people on the Reds roster but this has since appeared on espn.com's transactions:

Activated outfielder Jerry Hairston Jr. from 15-day disabled list; optioned pitcher Todd Coffey to Louisville of the International League (AAA).

OnBaseMachine
08-02-2008, 02:22 AM
Masset replaced Griffey and Hairston replaced Coffey.

camisadelgolf
08-02-2008, 02:56 AM
Does this link work?
http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/media/player/mp_tpl_3_1.jsp?w=2007/open/tp/archive05/052007_chachn_masset_3k_reel_tp_350.wmv&pid=mlb_tp&gid=2007/05/20/chamlb-chnmlb-1&mid=200705201977103&cid=mlb&fid=mlb_tp400&v=2&id=573027

icehole3
08-02-2008, 05:08 AM
I like Masset his stuff was down and moving, what more do you want...give the kid a chance.

mth123
08-02-2008, 05:23 AM
Then Masset should replace Fogg.

I'm not real high on Masset, but I'd replace Bailey and Fogg with Harang and Masset. Hopefully Masset can be the swingman next season. If he can give the Reds what Wellemeyer has given the Cards (122.1 Innings at 4.13 ERA) that would be a great return for Griffey. Hopefully Bailey is sent down before his next turn with Masset taking over. Dusty said after the game "we're stretching him out." I think it will be another couple turns through the rotation before Harang is ready. By then, the team should have had time to test the waiver wire. I'd be surprised if Fogg isn't sent off in a waiver deal to make room.

Reds1
08-02-2008, 09:27 AM
I'm not real high on Masset, but I'd replace Bailey and Fogg with Harang and Masset. Hopefully Masset can be the swingman next season. If he can give the Reds what Wellemeyer has given the Cards (122.1 Innings at 4.13 ERA) that would be a great return for Griffey. Hopefully Bailey is sent down before his next turn with Masset taking over. Dusty said after the game "we're stretching him out." I think it will be another couple turns through the rotation before Harang is ready. By then, the team should have had time to test the waiver wire. I'd be surprised if Fogg isn't sent off in a waiver deal to make room.


I agree. I think they'll give Homer another start, but on that day Masset will be rested to go several innings again.

Matt700wlw
08-02-2008, 09:56 AM
Harang is pitching a rehab start on Monday, so he's not quite ready to come back yet....Bailey's turn would be Wednesday.

Maybe he doesn't make that start.

princeton
08-02-2008, 10:21 AM
I've never seen Masset, but I'm expecting him to be a disaster. He's given up a lot of hits in his career.

I expect that yesterday was his high water mark.

NJReds
08-02-2008, 10:24 AM
I wouldn't expect that a guy that's been a reliever all year to suddenly be a starter.

Bailey shouldn't make his next start with the big club, but Masset isn't the immediate answer.

jojo
08-02-2008, 10:31 AM
Masset the latest flavor of ice cream that will revolutionize the industry..... just make sure not to use him in the heat.

camisadelgolf
08-02-2008, 10:34 AM
I ask myself if the acquisition of Masset has something to do with Cueto, Volquez, and Bailez all being so young and having thrown so few innings in their careers. From 2002-06, Masset was consistently throwing over 100 innings, and this year, he hasn't even reached 50 yet. Meanwhile, Bailey is less than 15 innings from his career high, Cueto less than 33, and Volquez less than 46.

Falls City Beer
08-02-2008, 11:22 AM
I'm not real high on Masset, but I'd replace Bailey and Fogg with Harang and Masset. Hopefully Masset can be the swingman next season. If he can give the Reds what Wellemeyer has given the Cards (122.1 Innings at 4.13 ERA) that would be a great return for Griffey. Hopefully Bailey is sent down before his next turn with Masset taking over. Dusty said after the game "we're stretching him out." I think it will be another couple turns through the rotation before Harang is ready. By then, the team should have had time to test the waiver wire. I'd be surprised if Fogg isn't sent off in a waiver deal to make room.

Good point. My goodness, if Masset can do a Steve Parris 99, what a revelation.

This team simply has to avoid sinkholes in its rotation--it doesn't have to have an ace in every slot.

Not that I'm counting on Masset to be that answer, though.

Patrick Bateman
08-02-2008, 11:24 AM
Good point. My goodness, if Masset can do a Steve Parris 99, what a revelation.

This team simply has to avoid sinkholes in its rotation--it doesn't have to have an ace in every slot.

I think Steve Parris was only as good as his defense. It was top notch in '99, and when it began to go sour, so did Parris.

Masset might have some developing groundball tendencies... that might be his ticket to success if he can keep the ball in the park.

Falls City Beer
08-02-2008, 11:29 AM
I think Steve Parris was only as good as his defense. It was top notch in '99, and when it began to go sour, so did Parris.

Masset might have some developing groundball tendencies... that might be his ticket to success if he can keep the ball in the park.



Of all the things that will likely improve for the Reds next year, I suspect defense will be first. It can be improved for the most part without breaking the payroll ceiling (and simply getting Griffey off the field).

Patrick Bateman
08-02-2008, 11:36 AM
Of all the things that will likely improve for the Reds next year, I suspect defense will be first. It can be improved for the most part without breaking the payroll ceiling (and simply getting Griffey off the field).

That's true...it depends who they find to play CF, SS, and C. I expect if anything finding some gloveman would be a priority.

princeton
08-02-2008, 11:39 AM
I think that Masset won't have nearly as good a career as Fogg

marcshoe
08-02-2008, 11:41 AM
I only got to see a couple of batters last night, but Masset sounds halfway useful. I'm not sure I'd expect too much, though.

fwiw I heard Kevin Goldstein, I think, say on XM 175 this morning that the reason you haven't heard much about the two players the Reds got in the deal was that there's nothing to talk about--they're just filler. His take on Masset was that he consistently disappoints evaluators because of his location. Everything's up in the zone.

princeton
08-02-2008, 12:00 PM
I only got to see a couple of batters last night, but Masset sounds halfway useful. I'm not sure I'd expect too much, though.

fwiw I heard Kevin Goldstein, I think, say on XM 175 this morning that the reason you haven't heard much about the two players the Reds got in the deal was that there' nothing to talk about--they're just filler. His take on Masset was that he consistently disappoints evaluators because of his location. Everything's up in the zone.

he's also out of options, I think. Only 30 days until rosters expand, so it's no big deal keeping him. he's got 60 days and the month of March to turn heads. Maybe Dick Pole finds something there.

but you've got to hope that the Reds start producing better options.

mth123
08-02-2008, 12:17 PM
I don't think anyone is counting on Masset to be anything more than a guy to soak up a few innings this year for a staff that has been overworked by its poor defensive teammates. He's a 12th man on the staff type who will be a nice bonus if he does any more than that. I don't really think the JR deal was about the guys the reds got back. The team found him a new home and saved some cash. The fact that they got a couple guys to taker a flyer on is gravy.

Right now though, the team needs some one to take Homer's spot. The change is more for Homer's good than it is Masset's.

SMcGavin
08-02-2008, 12:25 PM
Masset might have some developing groundball tendencies... that might be his ticket to success if he can keep the ball in the park.

Yeah, he's got groundball tendencies. I don't think too highly of Masset but his GB% is one thing that gives me some hope about him. I think he could be a useful bullpen arm / spot starter over the next couple of years.