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Red in Chicago
08-04-2008, 08:15 PM
sorry, just got home

nate
08-04-2008, 08:19 PM
Bronson with a pretty easy first inning. 0-0.

fearofpopvol1
08-04-2008, 08:20 PM
Interesting with EdE in the 3 hole. Not sure I've EVER seen that before.

Spring~Fields
08-04-2008, 08:20 PM
Cincinnati
J. Keppinger SS
J. Votto 1B
E. Encarnacion 3B
B. Phillips 2B
A. Dunn LF
J. Cabrera RF
J. Bruce CF
D. Ross C
B. Arroyo P

Milwaukee
R. Weeks 2B
J.J. Hardy SS
R. Braun LF
P. Fielder 1B
C. Hart RF
C. Counsell 3B
M. Cameron CF
J. Kendall C
M. Parra P

nate
08-04-2008, 08:23 PM
According to Chris, Dusty might be "managing by the seat of his pants" tonight.

OnBaseMachine
08-04-2008, 08:26 PM
Brandon Phillips could be a dynamite player if he didn't swing at every pitch within the two batters boxes. Hopefully he'll learn someday.

WVRedsFan
08-04-2008, 08:32 PM
Brandon Phillips could be a dynamite player if he didn't swing at every pitch within the two batters boxes. Hopefully he'll learn someday.

Man, that's so true. He'll even admit he goes out there to swing. you'd think our illustrous hitting coach would say something to him, but since he's the supposed face of the franchise and the anointed team leader with Jr. gone, that's probably out of the question.

Matt700wlw
08-04-2008, 08:33 PM
According to Chris, Dusty might be "managing by the seat of his pants" tonight.

Thankfully he's wearing pants

nate
08-04-2008, 08:34 PM
Thankfully he's wearing pants

Duh.

Where else would he keep the dice?

Strikes Out Looking
08-04-2008, 08:34 PM
Brandon Phillips could be a dynamite player if he didn't swing at every pitch within the two batters boxes. Hopefully he'll learn someday.

Or get picked off second. Or cover his head like a school girl when trying to catch a pop fly. (I was at yesterday's game and I'm still a bit upset)

WVRedsFan
08-04-2008, 08:36 PM
Or get picked off second. Or cover his head like a school girl when trying to catch a pop fly. (I was at yesterday's game and I'm still a bit upset)Careful. I called him a butcher in the field the other day and got a lecture. I probably deserved it, but sometimes he does. In fact, he had a bad series in Washington.

Strikes Out Looking
08-04-2008, 08:41 PM
Lecture away, I know what I saw.

nate
08-04-2008, 08:45 PM
Chat is OPEN!

Strikes Out Looking
08-04-2008, 08:46 PM
Manny "Cy Young" Para strikes out the side in the second. Dunn looking, the other two swinging.

CTA513
08-04-2008, 08:46 PM
I guess this home plate ump doesn't ask the other umps if the batter swung or not?

OnBaseMachine
08-04-2008, 08:46 PM
It didn't look like Bruce went around. If it's that close the home plate ump needs to check with the 3B ump.

CTA513
08-04-2008, 08:49 PM
Even Parra is making Arroyo work.

RedsManRick
08-04-2008, 09:10 PM
Wow. Pitching is much easier when you get 3 inches on either side of the plate. Arroyo at 75 pitches through 4. Arroyo could really use a 10 pitch inning.

CTA513
08-04-2008, 09:11 PM
Maybe one of the Reds hitters can get a hit this inning?

OnBaseMachine
08-04-2008, 09:17 PM
Parra walked Keppinger to lead off the first inning ans has retired the next 12 since then.

0-0 after 4.

OnBaseMachine
08-04-2008, 09:21 PM
Excellent play by Phillips. I didn't think he had a chance to get him.

OnBaseMachine
08-04-2008, 09:22 PM
Wow. Pitching is much easier when you get 3 inches on either side of the plate. Arroyo at 75 pitches through 4. Arroyo could really use a 10 pitch inning.

You got your wish. Arroyo just threw a 1-2-3 5th inning on 10 pitches.

0-0 after 4 1/2.

RedsManRick
08-04-2008, 09:24 PM
You got your wish. Arroyo just threw a 1-2-3 5th inning on 10 pitches.

0-0 after 4 1/2.

Arroyo could really use a 3 pitch 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th inning.

OnBaseMachine
08-04-2008, 09:27 PM
Arroyo could really use a 3 pitch 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th inning.

Now you're pushing it. ;)

CTA513
08-04-2008, 09:27 PM
Parra with a no hitter

OnBaseMachine
08-04-2008, 09:28 PM
Cabrera singles to break up the no-no.

OnBaseMachine
08-04-2008, 09:30 PM
Bruce walks on four pitches. First and second one out for Ross.

OnBaseMachine
08-04-2008, 09:33 PM
Ross walks to load the bases with one out for Arroyo.

RedsManRick
08-04-2008, 09:34 PM
I'm telling Arroyo to keep the bat on his shoulder no matter what. His job is to get Jeff Keppinger an AB.

And I would've been wrong. WTG Arroyo!! 2-0 Reds.

I hope Dusty noticed that walks score runs.

OnBaseMachine
08-04-2008, 09:35 PM
I'm telling Arroyo to keep the bat on his shoulder no matter what. His job is to get Jeff Keppinger an AB.

If it were anyone but Arroyo then I'd agree, but Arroyo can hit.

And he does. A 2-run double by Arroyo!

OnBaseMachine
08-04-2008, 09:37 PM
Votto singles in two runs! 4-0 Reds.

I love Votto batting second.

CTA513
08-04-2008, 09:49 PM
Arroyo gets two outs in the 6th inning and then walks back to back hitters on 8 straight balls.

OnBaseMachine
08-04-2008, 09:49 PM
Arroyo retires the first two hitters with ease to begin the 6th inning but then walks Braun and Fielder on eight straight pitches.

RedsManRick
08-04-2008, 09:52 PM
I'm sure it's just my perception, but it seems like nearly every ball hit to SS has been a hit recently.

That ball was crushed, so I don't fault Keppinger, but man, it's been ugly.

OnBaseMachine
08-04-2008, 09:52 PM
Hart RBI single. Bad pitching by Arroyo, two outs and nobody on. Why in the world do you pitch around Braun? Throws strikes, if he goes deep it's only 4-1.

OnBaseMachine
08-04-2008, 09:52 PM
I'm sure it's just my perception, but it seems like nearly every ball hit to SS has been a hit recently.

That ball was crushed, so I don't fault Keppinger, but man, it's been ugly.

You're exactly right. If the ball isn't hit right at him then it's a hit.

RedsManRick
08-04-2008, 09:54 PM
Phew. Grounder to 1B. Votto bobbles it but keeps it in front of him and makes the flip in time. My heart skipped a beat.

OnBaseMachine
08-04-2008, 09:55 PM
Arroyo gets a groundout to end the inning. A very good start by Arroyo.

6 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 2 BB, 6 K

Kc61
08-04-2008, 09:57 PM
Arroyo gets a groundout to end the inning. A very good start by Arroyo.

6 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 2 BB, 6 K

Arroyo has always been good working out of trouble.

RedsManRick
08-04-2008, 10:03 PM
BRUUUUUUUUCE!

Love to see him take the lefty deep oppo. Very good sign.

AmarilloRed
08-04-2008, 10:04 PM
6-1 Reds.

OnBaseMachine
08-04-2008, 10:05 PM
Bruce with a long 2-run homerun to left. 6-1 Reds. I'm telling ya, Bruce can hit lefties. He crushed them when he first came up and then struggled but he appears to be breaking out of that slump. He's now got three homeruns in his last four games and 10 overall.

Matt700wlw
08-04-2008, 10:06 PM
Too bad Bruce can't hit lefties... ;)

OnBaseMachine
08-04-2008, 10:09 PM
Majewski comes in and allows a solo HR to Cameron. Please just release the guy, he's horrible.

WVRedsFan
08-04-2008, 10:09 PM
I just love Majewski. Such fodder does not need to be on any club. Get him outa here.

Good grief.

OnBaseMachine
08-04-2008, 10:11 PM
Wow! Manny Parra and Price Fielder are fighting in the Brewers dugout.

dougdirt
08-04-2008, 10:11 PM
What the heck was that about? Prince lost his cool there.

gm
08-04-2008, 10:12 PM
Wow! Manny Parra and Price Fielder are fighting in the Brewers dugout.

Looks like Prince took some anger mgmt classes from Ozzie Guillen

Playoff stress, much?

Razor Shines
08-04-2008, 10:12 PM
It looked more like Parra was allowing Prince to use him as a punching bag.

Razor Shines
08-04-2008, 10:13 PM
I was about to change the channel after Cameron's HR. That'll teach me.

OnBaseMachine
08-04-2008, 10:13 PM
6-2 Reds after 6 1/2.

BCubb2003
08-04-2008, 10:14 PM
At least Fielder won't have to face Parra at the plate.

Falls City Beer
08-04-2008, 10:14 PM
Gary Majewski suits up for a MLB team. Let that sink in.

Kc61
08-04-2008, 10:14 PM
Maj gave up a home run but made some good pitches that inning. Threw a good heater right by Branyan.

gm
08-04-2008, 10:14 PM
I just love Majewski. Such fodder does not need to be on any club. Get him outa here.

Good grief.

Whenever Maj comes into a game I say to myself "losing time"

(it may not be fair, be he's proven he can certainly blow a lead with the best/worst of 'em)

CTA513
08-04-2008, 10:14 PM
Fielder has been acting like a baby for a while.
Ive seen him smash / break his bat on the ground a few times this season after making an out.

Falls City Beer
08-04-2008, 10:15 PM
Threw a good heater right by Branyan.

I wonder how many pitchers can claim to have struck Mr. Branyan out...

Kc61
08-04-2008, 10:15 PM
Whenever Maj comes into a game I say to myself "losing time"

(it may not be fair, be he's proven he can certainly blow a lead with the best/worst of 'em)

To be fair, Maj has been better since his return from AAA this year. Not saying he's Luis Arroyo or Elroy Face or anything, but he's been better.

Razor Shines
08-04-2008, 10:16 PM
Parra obviously said the magic words...........Something including the phrase "F Dunkin Donuts."

AmarilloRed
08-04-2008, 10:17 PM
I believe Majewski is arbitration-eligible this off-season. That should be the end of Majewski in Cincinnati.

Falls City Beer
08-04-2008, 10:17 PM
I believe Majewski is arbitration-eligible this off-season. That should be the end of Majewski in Cincinnati.

Thank you for that little ray of sunshine. Seriously.

dougdirt
08-04-2008, 10:23 PM
Ryan Braun is still pretty strong apparently.

OnBaseMachine
08-04-2008, 10:23 PM
Braun homers off Weathers to make it 6-3. Seriously, why in the world did the Reds hang on to David Weathers when there is better options in the minors?

NC Reds
08-04-2008, 10:24 PM
Can anyone explain why Roenicke is still in Louisville? I don't get it.

OnBaseMachine
08-04-2008, 10:26 PM
Now the Brewers have runners on 2nd and 3rd with two outs. I'm so glad they didn't trade Weathers.

Cyclone792
08-04-2008, 10:26 PM
Only the Reds bullpen could once again turn what should be an easy, blowout win into a potential fiasco.

AmarilloRed
08-04-2008, 10:28 PM
Can anyone explain why Roenicke is still in Louisville? I don't get it.

I think early on the Reds wanted him to get more experience at Louisville before seeing him in Cincinnati, but I think he would be ready now.

guttle11
08-04-2008, 10:28 PM
It's amazing how much Jared Burton means to this team.

OnBaseMachine
08-04-2008, 10:28 PM
Cameron K's to end the inning.

6-3 Reds after 7 1/2.

RedsManRick
08-04-2008, 10:29 PM
Cordero is going to have to face Bill Hall. I vote that he pegs him just to be safe.

Cyclone792
08-04-2008, 10:30 PM
Just an FYI ... apparently tonight at 10pm Baseball Tonight is doing a small segment on their pick for the Reds' greatest player in franchise history. I believe "their pick" may actually be a fan vote, or at least partially a fan vote.

gm
08-04-2008, 10:32 PM
Can anyone explain why Roenicke is still in Louisville? I don't get it.

'cause Dusty ain't flickin' it in

gm
08-04-2008, 10:33 PM
Cordero is going to have to face Bill Hall. I vote that he pegs him just to be safe.


darn straight, maybe he can buzz Prince too, just to get in his head

OnBaseMachine
08-04-2008, 10:34 PM
How come this team can play so well against good teams and then struggle so badly against below .500 teams like the Nats?

mbgrayson
08-04-2008, 10:35 PM
darn straight, maybe he can buzz Prince too, just to get in his head
And maybe say "This one's from Manny"...

NC Reds
08-04-2008, 10:43 PM
Nice high dollar closer we have....

Kc61
08-04-2008, 10:43 PM
I wonder if Cordero is healthy. He's struggling every time out. He doesn't seem to be fooling anyone.

CTA513
08-04-2008, 10:44 PM
I wonder how many 1-2-3 innings Corderos had this season.
Any way to find that out online?

Kc61
08-04-2008, 10:45 PM
There's no doubt Cordero was much better earlier in the season. The last month or so Cordero hasn't been the same pitcher.

AmarilloRed
08-04-2008, 10:46 PM
I wonder how many 1-2-3 innings Corderos had this season.
Any way to find that out online?

I remember someone quoting in a previous game thread that Cordero has had 10 1-2-3 innings this year.

Razor Shines
08-04-2008, 10:46 PM
I wonder how many 1-2-3 innings Corderos had this season.
Any way to find that out online?

Yeah. I'm sure that http://www.baseball-reference.com/ has it. Probably go through Cordero's game logs.

OnBaseMachine
08-04-2008, 10:47 PM
Cordero K's Hardy and Braun.

Reds win 6-3.

Falls City Beer
08-04-2008, 10:47 PM
Feels good to play spoiler against the Brewers. No way they should have lost that game. But they did. Ha ha.

OnBaseMachine
08-04-2008, 10:49 PM
The Reds continue to play well against good teams and struggle against the bad ones.

RedFanAlways1966
08-04-2008, 10:51 PM
Record vs. NL Central teams...

MIL: 6-4
CHI: 4-5
STL: 2-4
PIT: 3-6
HOU: 1-4

RedFanAlways1966
08-04-2008, 11:01 PM
Votto singles in two runs! 4-0 Reds.

I love Votto batting second.

The only hit (1-for-19, 6 Ks) from the top five hitters in the lineup. A key hit.

KittyDuran
08-04-2008, 11:05 PM
Jim Day on FSN - just mentioned that the Wednesday day game will be televised then re-broadcast 7pm that night.

_Sir_Charles_
08-04-2008, 11:44 PM
Just got home. Ummm...am I reading this right? Edwin hit THIRD?!?

*faints from the shock*

WVRedsFan
08-05-2008, 12:28 AM
Just got home. Ummm...am I reading this right? Edwin hit THIRD?!?

*faints from the shock*

And he went hitless...

Have the Reds ever fielder a poorer hitting club? Again, we get few hits (4) and who else fields a team like this:

Keppinger - .269 (and falling daily)
Votto - .279
Ecarnacion- .248
Phillips - .274
Dunn - .248
Bruce - .272 (and rising somewhat)
Ross - .228 (and falling again back to normal)
Arroyo - .220!!

Even the 1962 Mets had many similarities with the Reds:

Richie Ashburn .306/.424
Felix Mantilla .275/.330
Charlie Neal .260/.330
Frank Thomas .266/.329
Marv Throneberry .244/.306
Chris Cannazaro .241/.335
Elio Chacon .236/.368
Jim Hickman .245/.338

Do you see any difference? I see plenty of similarities.

HokieRed
08-05-2008, 12:43 AM
I said it over on the Old Red Guard and got ripped, but I'll say it again. Next year begins and ends with Votto and Bruce, as to position players. EE and Phillips are massively overrated and Dunn's money has got to go to fill several spots. Keppinger is proving to be strictly a backup. None of the catchers will be back next year, IMO.

WVRedsFan
08-05-2008, 03:15 AM
I said it over on the Old Red Guard and got ripped, but I'll say it again. Next year begins and ends with Votto and Bruce, as to position players. EE and Phillips are massively overrated and Dunn's money has got to go to fill several spots. Keppinger is proving to be strictly a backup. None of the catchers will be back next year, IMO.

Don't count on not having Ross around. For some odd reason, and even though Bako plays a lot, people in this organization value Ross. I've seem him botch a lot of throws (not catching them--a trait that seems to be the Reds' own problem), and look clueless at the plate enough to not value him, but to each his own I guess. I'd go with a kid who can learn over a guy who will never get any better, but that's just my opinion.

I've commented elsewhere on this forum about my frustration and impatience concerning Encarnacion. No position is more important than the hot corner and Encarnacion just doesn't measure up. Once again, just my opinion, but if he remains a Red longer than next year I'll be surprised.

Phillips is a wizard in the field at times, but he has serious problems at the plate in that he just swings at everything. The theory he uses is that he will fail sometimes, but will do great things other times and that is and has been true over his career with the Reds. Look at his OBP and you see that he is almost an automatic out a lot of the time. Can you build a team around him? No. He's OK and I'm glad he's on our team, but I wish he batted 7th instead of 4th.

Part of the problem I've seen with this team is overvalueing some of the personnel. Many value Freel, EdE, Phillips and consider them building blocks for the future. I don't see it like that, but like I said, to each his own. Don't be surprised if the team you see today won't be here in 2009 if there are other options.

HokieRed
08-05-2008, 10:56 AM
I have a strong feeling the 2009 team will not look much at all like the 2008 version. In Walt we must trust. And I think it's doubtful Ross will be back. He's going to cost too much for what he brings. I suspect our starter at C is now wearing a Rangers uniform.