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Bob Borkowski
08-05-2008, 12:16 AM
http://brewersfandemonium.yuku.com/topic/14672/t/The-Dugout-Fight-video-on-Brewers-com.html?page=1

Patrick Bateman
08-05-2008, 12:33 AM
Those guys make it sound like Prince Fielder is the first guy to shove a teammate. It happens, usually for dumb reasons all the time. Parra probably criticized Fielder's inability to get Votto's 2 RBI single and Fielder reacted poorly at a frustrating point. The criticism was just a big a no-no IMO. Never show up your fielders. This was a nothing situation that just happened to be in the public's eye.

WVRedsFan
08-05-2008, 12:40 AM
I didn't know that a winning club could have so many malcontents, did you?
It just goes to prove tht fans are fans. Some want Prince's and Ned's head over this while other condone the behavior, in true fan form, or rationalize his behavior and say it doesn't mean anything. Interesting.

Wonder how we'll react when the Reds start winning? Or maybe I should have said if. :)

I hope they sit him for at least two games, don't you?

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 12:40 AM
Here's what they said
By Tom Haudricourt
Monday, Aug 4 2008, 10:25 PM

Cincinnati - Prince Fielder wasn't talking afterward and Manny Parra said very little but here's what others had to say, plus some details about what probably set off the fight between Parra and Fielder in the seventh inning of the game tonight between the Brewers and Reds at Great American Ball Park:

The altercation came almost a year to the day after a dugout altercation involving Ned Yost and a couple of players at Miller Park.

Afterward, as expected, the combatants refused to discuss the details of the incident. Parra danced around the subject, saying "it's already been taken care of," and Fielder sent word through a club spokesman that he wouldn't talk about it.

It was last Aug. 2 of last season that Yost became involved in a dugout dispute with catcher Johnny Estrada and infielder Tony Graffanino, neither of whom are with the team this year. Yost at the time downplayed the incident and said it was nobody's business, a refrain he repeated this time around.

"It's not a big deal," said Yost. "For eight months a year, we're a family. At times things happen, flare up, but it's between the family. It's in the family.

"It's a little bit rude when your neighbors are fighting next-door for you to go knock on the door and ask what happened. We handle it ourselves. It's between us and it's nobody's business. But it wasn't that big a deal."

Cameras caught Fielder and Parra engaged in a discussion near the tunnel that leads from the clubhouse to the dugout. Fielder was talking to Parra and gesturing with his right arm to the field.

Parra, who surrendered six runs in six innings, had just been lifted from the game for a pinch-hitter. Someone who overheard parts of the conversation said Parra apparently was headed back to the clubhouse and an agitated Fielder told him he should remain in the dugout to watch the Brewers bat that inning.

Parra snatched up his cap and jacket from the bench and was walking toward the other end, side-by-side with Fielder when the 270-pound first baseman suddenly turned and forcefully pushed Parra onto the bench. Fielder then lunged at Parra again and shoved him hard with both arms.

At that point, several players, including Bill Hall, Ray Durham, Dave Bush and Ryan Braun, with pitching coach Mike Maddux also intervening, jumped in, grabbed Fielder and pushed him to the dugout floor.

Though the sight of Fielder physically attacking the unsuspecting Parra ws shocking, Braun said it was not considered a major incident by the players.

"You spend a lot of time with people, on and off the field, you're going to have arguments, get in fights," said Braun. "Sometimes you need that emotion and passion to break up the monotony. It's not necessarily a bad thing.

"It could be a bad thing if half the guys side with one person and half the guys side with the other. But I think everybody looks at it as a minor incident. It's unfortunate that it happened in front of the cameras because I'm sure the media will make it into more than what it was. Things like that happen over the course of the season.

"It does look bad. I agree. I completely understand how it looks. But things like that happen over the course of the season. I really don't view it as a negative. I'm sure they'll hate each other for a couple of days, then get over it and be friends soon enough."

Fielder has admitted many times in the past that he has a temper but he also is considered a central part of the club, on and off the field. Players often talk about the chemistry within the clubhouse and veteran infielder Craig Counsell said he didn't expect that to be altered by the incident.

"You never want stuff like that to happen," said Counsell. "But who cares? We lost tonight. That's the worst thing that happened.

"It's forgotten when we come here tomorrow. We've got to win the game tomorrow. All your focus is trying to win the game tomorrow. It's not surprising. We're all competing and trying real hard. It's going to happen.

"You know there's not a problem in this clubhouse. You know that. We have tempers. We're humans. There's a bad side to everybody. It happens but we're going to move on."

Yost, who almost certainly will discipline Fielder for attacking a teammate, also said the matter will be forgotten when the Brewers report to the ball park today. And he again insisted no one should make a big deal of it.

"There' a privacy issue here somewhere," said Yost. "Just because it's on TV doesn't make it anybody's right to know what happened. It's between us.

"If you want to know what happened, what transpired blow by blow, or what words were said, I'm sorry. You're not going to know. It's private. It's between us and it's not a big deal. It's not the first time it happened and it won't be the last.

"It's what happens. It makes teams better. It's not a problem. It's nobody's business."

http://blogs.jsonline.com/brewers/archive/2008/08/04/here-s-what-they-said.aspx

durl
08-05-2008, 12:45 AM
So...any more doubt about Fielder being in Milwaukee next season?

KronoRed
08-05-2008, 12:54 AM
Team in meltdown anyone?

westofyou
08-05-2008, 01:13 AM
Jocks fighting during a loss?

Color me surprised.

Sometimes the internet makes us think that uniqueness is as relative as the suddenness of the reporting is quick.

MrCinatit
08-05-2008, 02:01 AM
Looks like Prince Fielder is some Brewers fan's version of Dunn - there are quite a few who do not like the guy at all.
I'd take him.

RedsManRick
08-05-2008, 02:02 AM
Looks like fielder got more from his dad than his body type.

KronoRed
08-05-2008, 03:04 AM
Looks like Prince Fielder is some Brewers fan's version of Dunn - there are quite a few who do not like the guy at all.
I'd take him.

He'd be hated in this town more then Dunn.

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 03:27 AM
Looks like Prince Fielder is some Brewers fan's version of Dunn - there are quite a few who do not like the guy at all.
I'd take him.

Yep. One guy on there says he doesn't like Fielder because he's overweight. He's coming off arguably the best season in Brewer history (at age 23 to boot) and yet it seems half the fans don't like him on that board. I don't understand it. Like you said, it sort of reminds me of Dunn and Reds fans.

Ravenlord
08-05-2008, 03:56 AM
that Brewer thread not only made my head hurt, but adds to my doubts about the judgement of most mortals. . .

PuffyPig
08-05-2008, 09:17 AM
So...any more doubt about Fielder being in Milwaukee next season?


Fielder may not be a Brewer next year because of his unwillingness to sign an extension and the cost of same.

This incident will have nothing to do woth whether or not that happens.

Matt700wlw
08-05-2008, 09:29 AM
Manny Fielder :D

fearofpopvol1
08-05-2008, 10:54 AM
Looks like Prince is the whipping boy for Brewers fans. Seems like they view Prince like too many Reds fans view Dunn--he's underappreciated.

bucksfan2
08-05-2008, 11:15 AM
I don't think Fielder will be a Brewer for much longer. It is actually really sad if you think about it. IIRC the Brewers went to fielder and offered to buy out his arb years and sign him long term. Fielder and his agent, Boras, said no. The Milwaukee Brewers and their fan base had to opportunity to build a promising club around a young star but the young star and his agent said nope. They thought they could make more money testing the FA market.

How would we as Reds fans react if the FO went to Bruce and offered to sign him for 10 years and he said no? He wanted to see how much money he could make in free agency. You are seeing smaller market clubs buy out arb years to build around a particular player. IMO the only players that refuse to do so are Boras clients.

Sea Ray
08-05-2008, 11:16 AM
He'd be hated in this town more then Dunn.

Dunn hated by Reds fans? Looking around the ballpark I see more Dunn 44 jerseys than any other current Red.

As a matter of fact I saw a few while at the Nationals-Reds game in DC on Friday.

BTW I was interested to see that on Sunday the Nationals were on page 11 of a 14 page Sports section in the Wash Post behind the Redskin talk and the soccer team. I also sensed they were awfully glad to see Felipe Lopez cut . A one liner parodied his propensity for swinging at the first pitch.

Sea Ray
08-05-2008, 11:20 AM
I don't think Fielder will be a Brewer for much longer. It is actually really sad if you think about it. IIRC the Brewers went to fielder and offered to buy out his arb years and sign him long term. Fielder and his agent, Boras, said no. The Milwaukee Brewers and their fan base had to opportunity to build a promising club around a young star but the young star and his agent said nope. They thought they could make more money testing the FA market.

How would we as Reds fans react if the FO went to Bruce and offered to sign him for 10 years and he said no? He wanted to see how much money he could make in free agency. You are seeing smaller market clubs buy out arb years to build around a particular player. IMO the only players that refuse to do so are Boras clients.


Attitude aside I'd be very hesitant to sink much money into Prince Fielder until he shows the ability to keep his weight in check. He's awfully young to be that heavy. In the NL you can't give a guy's legs days off as a DH. If he can't be signed reasonably they'd be better off moving him in a deal like Texas did with Texeira to Atl.

nate
08-05-2008, 11:21 AM
Here (http://blogs.jsonline.com/brewers/archive/2008/08/05/is-it-a-big-deal.aspx) is more:


Is it a big deal?
By Tom Haudricourt
Tuesday, Aug 5 2008, 12:20 AM

Cincinnati - So, manager Ned Yost says the fight earlier tonight between Prince Fielder and Manny Parra in the dugout was no big deal. What do you think?

If what I heard was correct, Parra was getting ready to go to the clubhouse after being removed from the game and Fielder took exception to that, with the Brewers batting in the top of the seventh and trying to cut into the 6-1 that Parra dug for the team.

I heard that Prince yelled at Parra, "We stayed out there and watched your (bleep). You can stay out here and watch our (bleep)."

I can totally believe Prince said something like that. He was in an agitated mood about the team's sputtering offense and wasn't pleased that Parra caved in for six runs in the middle inning (of course, Fielder could have helped by not letting Joey Votto's two-run single get by him).

Anyway, Parra scooped up his glove and jacket off the bench and it might have come close to swiping Fielder in the face. He took exception to it and went after Parra, shoving him hard twice before teammates restrained him. It was an ugly scene that players basically attributed to "boys will be boys" afterward.

So, what do you think manager Ned Yost should do about this? Should Fielder be benched Tuesday night to show that there will be discipline on the team. Or should Fielder be in the lineup because it was "no big deal," like Yost claimed?

I've got to believe Fielder was fined and told to apologize to teammates in the clubhouse afterward. We were kept out a while after the game so something was going on in the clubhouse.

Tell me what you folks think about all of this.

Roy Tucker
08-05-2008, 11:52 AM
Reading that link, Brewer fans seem pretty cranked up about all this. I know if it were the Reds, RZ would be buzzing.

Interesting to see what Yost does, if anything. I'm not all the impressed with him as a manager.

macro
08-05-2008, 12:23 PM
This was the comment by Yost that caught my attention when it was played after last night's game, and also one that Mike and Mike commented on this morning...


"It's a little bit rude when your neighbors are fighting next-door for you to go knock on the door and ask what happened...

So now reporters (and fans, too, I assume) are rude for asking. Maybe Yost needs to get into a line of work that's a little more "private".

I'm in no way saying that he had to tell what was said or what it was about, but calling the reporter "rude" was...well...rude.

TeamBoone
08-05-2008, 12:24 PM
I watched that scene twice. Fielder did not "push" Parra twice... he pushed him first, and the second "push" was actually a hard slap to the left side of his face.

Screwball
08-05-2008, 01:05 PM
If anybody wants to see a quick clip of the fight, follow the link below. The altercation starts with about :22 left...

http://www.sportsnipe.com/video/838192/fielder-parra-scuffle-in-dugout-as-brewers-fall-to-reds.html

OnBaseMachine
08-05-2008, 05:36 PM
Brewers' Fielder apologizes for dugout flare-up ... kind of

By Greg Silverman

Staff Writer

Tuesday, August 05, 2008

CINCINNATI As calming, positive vibes were pumped into the clubhouse via a Bob Marley album, Prince Fielder apologized for shoving teammate Manny Parra in the Milwaukee Brewers dugout on Tuesday night.

"I apologize for the way it went down, but I don't apologize for the passion and the intensity of the game," Fielder said today, Aug. 5. I definitely could have handled it better, but that's just the way it went down."

In the seventh inning, after Parra was removed from the lineup for a pinch-hitter, he and Fielder got into an argument, which led to Fielder shoving the starting pitcher into the dugout bench twice.

Though he wouldn't go into details about the disagreement, Fielder said there was no lasting animosity.

"I've been playing with him since I was in rookie ball, so it's not like we hate each other," he said. "We're not in middle school."

Frustration over the way the team had been playing was a factor, he said. Milwaukee had lost seven of its previous 10 games going into Monday night.

"Unfortunately, we're on TV, so it looks bad, but stuff happens," he said. "(The team) came in, and everybody seems the same. What happened happened. For me, it's over with."

http://www.daytondailynews.com/s/content/oh/story/sports/pro/reds/2008/08/05/ddn080508fielderweb.html